The Energon Pub

[Optimizzy]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

How 'bout Fracture?

Tomato. Tomahto. I just dig the deco. And we need more limbs.

[Optimizzy]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

I'd use the Mirage mold. The head is closer.

I was fiddling around with Dead End last night and came up with a Herr Fiend mode. Fun times.

Yeah. The head would be better. I just meant the general mold. It's funny to say it but I want more deception limbs. It's like autobots are trying to take that from the Cons. They made combining a thing man!

[Hellscream9999]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

How 'bout Fracture?

Tomato. Tomahto. I just dig the deco. And we need more limbs.

I would take both, really; they make exceptional limbs. The only difference being that one is a fembot

[Thadicon]

This is a bit of a random question about the new Buzzsaw that is coming out but what is the mode with the wheels supposed to be?

Like He turns into a tablet and bird mode but what is the other mode supposed to be? A skateboard or something?

[Sabrblade]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

[Hellscream9999]

This is a bit of a random question about the new Buzzsaw that is coming out but what is the mode with the wheels supposed to be?

Like He turns into a tablet and bird mode but what is the other mode supposed to be? A skateboard or something?

A taser on wheels, so he can irritate 's by poking their ankles, obvoiusly

[Hellscream9999]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

[Sabrblade]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

[Shuttershock]

This is a bit of a random question about the new Buzzsaw that is coming out but what is the mode with the wheels supposed to be?

Like He turns into a tablet and bird mode but what is the other mode supposed to be? A skateboard or something?

A taser on wheels, so he can irritate 's by poking their ankles, obvoiusly

"Say Lazerbeak, you think we can keep the troops light on their feet?"

"I guess, Buzzsaw. Although in Brawls case, we might need two shocks."

"DO-HOHO-HOHO-HOHO!"

[Hellscream9999]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Why? Because of the name, or that it was female, or was the character originally a male, or something else (I have literally never heard of this being a thing until just now)

[Hellscream9999]

This is a bit of a random question about the new Buzzsaw that is coming out but what is the mode with the wheels supposed to be?

Like He turns into a tablet and bird mode but what is the other mode supposed to be? A skateboard or something?

A taser on wheels, so he can irritate 's by poking their ankles, obvoiusly

"Say Lazerbeak, you think we can keep the troops light on their feet?"

"I guess, Buzzsaw. Although in Brawls case, we might need two shocks."

"DO-HOHO-HOHO-HOHO!"

Exactly (now everything makes sense... forever )

[Shuttershock]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Why? Because of the name, or that it was female, or was the character originally a male, or something else (I have literally never heard of this being a thing until just now)

Probably because it's an homage so close to Crasher (a character they do not own) that it could involve legal action. Just my guess.

[Hellscream9999]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Why? Because of the name, or that it was female, or was the character originally a male, or something else (I have literally never heard of this being a thing until just now)

Probably because it's an homage so close to Crasher (a character they do not own) that it could involve legal action. Just my guess.

Ooooohhhhhhh, come to think of it it did look like a diaclone figure or something else that I'd seen recently. So who owns whomever it is then?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

"Say Lazerbeak, you think we can keep the troops light on their feet?"

"I guess, Buzzsaw. Although in Brawls case, we might need two shocks."

"DO-HOHO-HOHO-HOHO!"

This will take a long time to die... DOHOHO!!

[Shuttershock]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Why? Because of the name, or that it was female, or was the character originally a male, or something else (I have literally never heard of this being a thing until just now)

Probably because it's an homage so close to Crasher (a character they do not own) that it could involve legal action. Just my guess.

Ooooohhhhhhh, come to think of it it did look like a diaclone figure or something else that I'd seen recently. So who owns whomever it is then?

I think technically Bandai owns the molds and IP, though I can't be sure.

[Sabrblade]

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Why? Because of the name, or that it was female, or was the character originally a male, or something else (I have literally never heard of this being a thing until just now)

When it comes to the GoBots franchise there are presently three companies that factor into the ownership rights: Hasbro, Bandai, and Warner Bros. While Hasbro owns some of the GoBots names (not all of them since some of them are untrademarkable), they do not own the characters or character likenesses. That's where the other two come in. Bandai owns the likenesses that were based on their original Machine Robo toy mold designs (this includes decos), while Warner Bros owns the characters themselves, evidenced in WB's recent release of the cartoon via their special made-to-order DVD releases instead of as regular mass retail DVD releases.

Without the rights to either the characters or their looks, this makes Hasbro hesitant to make a Transformers toy done up in the colors of a GoBot and with the name and identity of said GoBot that its deco is homaging.

And while there have been previous releases of TF toys as GoBot characters proper (not just as homages to them but as the actual GoBots themselves), they were done in ways that got around the legal issues, but which also prevented them from visually resembling the GoBots that they were supposed to be:

When e-HOBBY did their six-pack Minibot G1 GoBots redeco set, they used prototype Transformers decos that didn't resemble any of the GoBot decos, and didn't even give any of the six names or identities. The toys were all nameless and bio-less.

For BotCon 2007 Bug Bite, its deco was based on the nameless e-HOBBY toy, and while Club fiction has established him as officially being the GoBot Renegade of the same name, his toy bio did not directly identify him as such, instead remaining ambiguous about his true nature, writing him instead as an enigma among his peers:

Bugbite is a Decepticon shrouded in mystery. Many serving under Bludgeon are unsure as to why he gained such favor. commander of one of the finest ships within Bludgeon's army, Bugbite enjoys unusual freedom of action, often disappearing for months at a time with his eclectic crew of ne'er-do-wells on missions of which none of them ever speak. Many under his command have abandoned partners and friends without a word leading many to suspect even greater duplicity than is typical among the Decepticons.

Movie Fracture was a very borderline case that played at least a part in TF companies' current reluctance to do any more direct GoBot homages. As that figure was originally intended to be the GoBot Crasher, such couldn't be done due to Crasher's character and likeness being owned by Warner Bros and Bandai, and so became the different character of Fracture. But, its deco was still very much that of Crasher, making it a very questionable case that made Hasbro feel uneasy afterward. Since then, there haven't been anymore direct GoBot deco homages made, with any other GoBot deco homages being only "loose" or "indirect" homages in toys like ROTF Deadlift. But Fracture wasn't exactly something that all parties felt "okay" with.

So if we ever want something like, say, an official Transformers Cy-Kill toy, it'd likely either have to be a redeco of another TF motorcycle character in some deco that doesn't remotely resemble that of Cy-Kill, or it would have to be just a generic red and blue decoed motorcycle figure that isn't named "Cy-Kill", and either case's bio would most likely have to identify the figure as some new guy who isn't the GoBots Cy-Kill character. An official Transformers Cy-Kill toy that's colored like Cy-Kill, named "Cy-Kill", and identified as the GoBots Cy-Kill character would very likely draw unwanted legal action from Bandai and/or Warner Bros that Hasbro does everything in their power to avoid.

Same goes for all other GoBots.

[Hellscream9999]

When it comes to the GoBots franchise there are presently three companies that factor into the ownership rights: Hasbro, Bandai, and Warner Bros. While Hasbro owns some of the GoBots names (not all of them since some of them are untrademarkable), they do not own the characters or character likenesses. That's where the other two come in. Bandai owns the likenesses that were based on their original Machine Robo toy mold designs (this includes decos), while Warner Bros owns the characters themselves, evidenced in WB's recent release of the cartoon via their special made-to-order DVD releases instead of as regular mass retail DVD releases.

Without the rights to either the characters or their looks, this makes Hasbro hesitant to make a Transformers toy done up in the colors of a GoBot and with the name and identity of said GoBot that its deco is homaging.

And while there have been previous releases of TF toys as GoBot characters proper (not just as homages to them but as the actual GoBots themselves), they were done in ways that got around the legal issues, but which also prevented them from visually resembling the GoBots that they were supposed to be:

When e-HOBBY did their six-pack Minibot G1 GoBots redeco set, they used prototype Transformers decos that didn't resemble any of the GoBot decos, and didn't even give any of the six names or identities. The toys were all nameless and bio-less.

For BotCon 2007 Bug Bite, its deco was based on the nameless e-HOBBY toy, and while Club fiction has established him as officially being the GoBot Renegade of the same name, his toy bio did not directly identify him as such, instead remaining ambiguous about his true nature, writing him instead as an enigma among his peers.

Movie Fracture was a very borderline case that played at least a part in TF companies' current reluctance to do any more direct GoBot homages. As that figure was originally intended to be the GoBot Crasher, such couldn't be done due to Crasher's character and likeness being owned by Warner Bros and Bandai, and so became the different character of Fracture. But, its deco was still very much that of Crasher, making it a very questionable case that made Hasbro feel uneasy afterward. Since then, there haven't been anymore direct GoBot deco homages made, with any other GoBot deco homages being only "loose" or "indirect" homages in toys like ROTF Deadlift. But Fracture wasn't exactly something that all parties felt "okay" with.

So if we ever want something like, say, an official Transformers Cy-Kill toy, it'd likely either have to be a redeco of another TF motorcycle character in some deco that doesn't remotely resemble that of Cy-Kill, or it would have to be just a generic red and blue decoed motorcycle figure that isn't named "Cy-Kill", and either case's bio would most likely have to identify the figure as some new guy who isn't the GoBots Cy-Kill character. An official Transformers Cy-Kill toy that's colored like Cy-Kill, named "Cy-Kill", and identified as the GoBots Cy-Kill character would very likely draw unwanted legal action from Bandai and/or Warner Bros that Hasbro does everything in their power to avoid.

Same goes for all other GoBots.

Alright thanks, I knew about the tradsmark thing, just didn't realize crasher was a gobot. So, since 3P companies obviously trample all over this with hasbro, how close could they get without being 'in danger'? I was thinking earlier this evening that they could pull off a decent cy-kill from TT's bigroove.

Crasher was pretty recognizable, maybe just change the face deco, cuz that plays a lot into who he is, but keep the general colors of red/pink white and black.

[Shuttershock]

When it comes to the GoBots franchise there are presently three companies that factor into the ownership rights: Hasbro, Bandai, and Warner Bros. While Hasbro owns some of the GoBots names (not all of them since some of them are untrademarkable), they do not own the characters or character likenesses. That's where the other two come in. Bandai owns the likenesses that were based on their original Machine Robo toy mold designs (this includes decos), while Warner Bros owns the characters themselves, evidenced in WB's recent release of the cartoon via their special made-to-order DVD releases instead of as regular mass retail DVD releases.

Without the rights to either the characters or their looks, this makes Hasbro hesitant to make a Transformers toy done up in the colors of a GoBot and with the name and identity of said GoBot that its deco is homaging.

And while there have been previous releases of TF toys as GoBot characters proper (not just as homages to them but as the actual GoBots themselves), they were done in ways that got around the legal issues, but which also prevented them from visually resembling the GoBots that they were supposed to be:

When e-HOBBY did their six-pack Minibot G1 GoBots redeco set, they used prototype Transformers decos that didn't resemble any of the GoBot decos, and didn't even give any of the six names or identities. The toys were all nameless and bio-less.

For BotCon 2007 Bug Bite, its deco was based on the nameless e-HOBBY toy, and while Club fiction has established him as officially being the GoBot Renegade of the same name, his toy bio did not directly identify him as such, instead remaining ambiguous about his true nature, writing him instead as an enigma among his peers.

Movie Fracture was a very borderline case that played at least a part in TF companies' current reluctance to do any more direct GoBot homages. As that figure was originally intended to be the GoBot Crasher, such couldn't be done due to Crasher's character and likeness being owned by Warner Bros and Bandai, and so became the different character of Fracture. But, its deco was still very much that of Crasher, making it a very questionable case that made Hasbro feel uneasy afterward. Since then, there haven't been anymore direct GoBot deco homages made, with any other GoBot deco homages being only "loose" or "indirect" homages in toys like ROTF Deadlift. But Fracture wasn't exactly something that all parties felt "okay" with.

So if we ever want something like, say, an official Transformers Cy-Kill toy, it'd likely either have to be a redeco of another TF motorcycle character in some deco that doesn't remotely resemble that of Cy-Kill, or it would have to be just a generic red and blue decoed motorcycle figure that isn't named "Cy-Kill", and either case's bio would most likely have to identify the figure as some new guy who isn't the GoBots Cy-Kill character. An official Transformers Cy-Kill toy that's colored like Cy-Kill, named "Cy-Kill", and identified as the GoBots Cy-Kill character would very likely draw unwanted legal action from Bandai and/or Warner Bros that Hasbro does everything in their power to avoid.

Same goes for all other GoBots.

Alright thanks, I knew about the tradsmark thing, just didn't realize crasher was a gobot. So, since 3P companies obviously trample all over this with hasbro, how close could they get without being 'in danger'? I was thinking earlier this evening that they could pull off a decent cy-kill from TT's bigroove.

Crasher was pretty recognizable, maybe just change the face deco, cuz that plays a lot into who he is, but keep the general colors of red/pink white and black.

Officially, they probably couldn't make a situation where it both looks and is identified as Cy-Kill.

Unofficially, Unique Toys has something on the market. https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=UQT10009&mode=retail

[Hellscream9999]

Alright thanks, I knew about the tradsmark thing, just didn't realize crasher was a gobot. So, since 3P companies obviously trample all over this with hasbro, how close could they get without being 'in danger'? I was thinking earlier this evening that they could pull off a decent cy-kill from TT's bigroove.

Crasher was pretty recognizable, maybe just change the face deco, cuz that plays a lot into who he is, but keep the general colors of red/pink white and black.

Officially, they probably couldn't make a situation where it both looks and is identified as Cy-Kill.

Unofficially, Unique Toys has something on the market. https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=UQT10009&mode=retail

Yeah, I knew about him, but there's nothing to say that they couldn't call him brimstone (speaking of repaint potentail ) and make him kinda look like cy-kill, they may not be able to make the head similar, but we'd get it obviously, same goes for fracture (plus more fembots could never hurt)

[steve2275]

these are goood

[Shuttershock]

Alright thanks, I knew about the tradsmark thing, just didn't realize crasher was a gobot. So, since 3P companies obviously trample all over this with hasbro, how close could they get without being 'in danger'? I was thinking earlier this evening that they could pull off a decent cy-kill from TT's bigroove.

Crasher was pretty recognizable, maybe just change the face deco, cuz that plays a lot into who he is, but keep the general colors of red/pink white and black.

Officially, they probably couldn't make a situation where it both looks and is identified as Cy-Kill.

Unofficially, Unique Toys has something on the market. https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=UQT10009&mode=retail

Yeah, I knew about him, but there's nothing to say that they couldn't call him brimstone (speaking of repaint potentail ) and make him kinda look like cy-kill, they may not be able to make the head similar, but we'd get it obviously, same goes for fracture (plus more fembots could never hurt)

Indeed. Say what you want about Gobots, they had a girl in their opening roster. What's more, it wasn't a big deal, maybe because she was a villain. She's a girl, and she's one of the top 3 Renegades (like the Baroness or Evil-Lyn).

[Madeus Prime]

Loved the table flip bit!

[william-james88]

Will Takara possibly release these guys??

I got my hands on Ironhide today but if it turns out Takara will in fact release Ironhide and the rest then I will hold off on opening it up.

Yes, they confirmed they are releasing them.

This is a bit of a random question about the new Buzzsaw that is coming out but what is the mode with the wheels supposed to be?

Like He turns into a tablet and bird mode but what is the other mode supposed to be? A skateboard or something?

A taser on wheels, so he can irritate 's by poking their ankles, obvoiusly

It was referred to as a "tank mode" (cough cough)

[ScottyP]

That Prowl bio is magnificent. Touches on the G1 tech spec, his IDW personality, and the table. Whoever they've got writing these is on point, and unusually so. Must be someone at IDW, right?

[Sabrblade]

Well, this certainly looks more like G1 Mirage than Classics Mirage did (not my pic, BTW):



Just needs his arms (or at least his hands) swapped.