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blackeyedprime wrote:Star Convoy was super lazy so I'm not expecting full on retooling into Dinoking but if it is, it will be nice to see.

Why? They went way above and beyond for King Posiedon

blackeyedprime wrote:

Deadput wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Could just be oversized from some of the molds they erm..aquired off weijiang

I presume this is a joke but still

Why would this ever be a thing?

Yeagh mainly a joke but I could see them having retooling for pilot compartments and a full on Diaclone crossover as it would probably fit in well wth the current Takara Diaclones. Star Convoy was super lazy so I'm not expecting full on retooling into Dinoking but if it is, it will be nice to see.

How was Star Convoy super lazy? He wasn't completely G1 accurate, but his retooling was pretty extensive, especially on the smaller figure.




Emerje

I hope it is dinoking

Curious to see what we end up with.

If it's just an improved Volcanicus, good on them, but I have one with an upgrade kit I am happy with, so would probably pass on.

If it's a new character that uses the same head and is improved, I'll be more interested.

Emerje wrote:How was Star Convoy super lazy? He wasn't completely G1 accurate, but his retooling was pretty extensive, especially on the smaller figure.

By being not evenly remotely accurate to the characters looks or having any key throw backs to the original toy (mini hot rod, tank treads, bonnetted truck, car carriers etc). The smaller figure didnt even need to transform into anything so they could have focused on the truck/trailer -the extensive retooling on the smaller figure was pretty much wasted and misguided just to show Convoy powers up to only kinda look like Star Convoy in bot mode from groin upwards. Even Star convoys chest windows are the wrong shape.

The seacons/god neptune are excellent and really well done but for me there is no use pretending that they don't occasionally drop the ball and it can go either way for a Volcanicus reuse.

Another thing to consider is that both King Poesidon and God Neptune also had animated appearances in Japan.

OK my prediction:

New Volcanicus figure with a bunch of new parts and tooling to improve the combined mode.
cartoon blue eyes
a pair of massive swords that store on the back, hence the background.

I can't really see this being anything other than a different style of Volcanicus, no other combiner has a head like that and they would not do all that retooling for an existing character and not redo the head

blackeyedprime wrote:

Emerje wrote:How was Star Convoy super lazy? He wasn't completely G1 accurate, but his retooling was pretty extensive, especially on the smaller figure.

By being not evenly remotely accurate to the characters looks or having any key throw backs to the original toy (mini hot rod, tank treads, bonnetted truck, car carriers etc). The smaller figure didnt even need to transform into anything so they could have focused on the truck/trailer -the extensive retooling on the smaller figure was pretty much wasted and misguided just to show Convoy powers up to only kinda look like Star Convoy in bot mode from groin upwards. Even Star convoys chest windows are the wrong shape.

I think you misunderstood what the figure represents and what Takara Tomy was trying to achieve. It isn't really Star Convoy. It's an Optimus Prime/Convoy figure with a Star Convoy-like power up, but not actually Star Convoy. This was made clear in his accompanying comics well before his release. I have a reissue Star Convoy and I think the Selects figure did a fantastic job of capturing his bot mode. It hasn't left my desk since his release.

And no matter how you feel about the figure the work put into it was nothing short of extensive just as it has been with King Poseidon, Super Megatron, and God Neptune (who has further retooling). I don't expect anything less from Volcanicus, it just wouldn't fit their track record.

Emerje

Rerelease of Volcanicus, either with bright, simple colors to match cartoon, or (less likely) vacuum-chromed parts to match original toys. For anything else, a head retool would be certain.,

I wasn't quite sold on Star Convoy either, despite the extensive retooling. Not every exclusive will work for every person. *shrug*

Super Megatron seems to be better as that character. It just seems like it improves that mold so, so much. And I guess I like his look more overall.

I can only imagine the Dinobots will be remade into Dinoking. Maybe they can work some magic on the Grimlock mold to make it worthwhile. Who knows?

Emerje wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:

Emerje wrote:How was Star Convoy super lazy? He wasn't completely G1 accurate, but his retooling was pretty extensive, especially on the smaller figure.

By being not evenly remotely accurate to the characters looks or having any key throw backs to the original toy (mini hot rod, tank treads, bonnetted truck, car carriers etc). The smaller figure didnt even need to transform into anything so they could have focused on the truck/trailer -the extensive retooling on the smaller figure was pretty much wasted and misguided just to show Convoy powers up to only kinda look like Star Convoy in bot mode from groin upwards. Even Star convoys chest windows are the wrong shape.

I think you misunderstood what the figure represents and what Takara Tomy was trying to achieve. It isn't really Star Convoy. It's an Optimus Prime/Convoy figure with a Star Convoy-[b]like power u[/b]p, but not actually Star Convoy. This was made clear in his accompanying comics well before his release. I have a reissue Star Convoy and I think the Selects figure did a fantastic job of capturing his bot mode. It hasn't left my desk since his release.

And no matter how you feel about the figure the work put into it was nothing short of extensive just as it has been with King Poseidon, Super Megatron, and God Neptune (who has further retooling). I don't expect anything less from Volcanicus, it just wouldn't fit their track record.

Emerje

Maybe not.

To those who keep saying Dinoking / Monstructor...


This is Dinoking's head:




This is Monstructor's head:




Yes, these were best pics I could find of their faces, but they both still show that they each have two eyes and an exposed nose and mouth.


And this is the head they are using:



A visor, no visible nose, and an enclosed mouthplate.


Takara wouldn't be using this head if they were doing either Dinoking or Monstructor. Takara is too traditionalist and media-faithful to do that. If they were to do either Dinoking or Monstructor, they would darn well make sure that the toy looked like how Dinoking or Monstructor is supposed to look, exposed face and all.

Yet, we can see that they are keeping the Volcanicus head with no tooling changes, so whatever it is they are doing will have a face like Volcanicus's.

Since we're tossing around wild speculation, maybe it's G2 styled Dinobots?

I guess Dinoking's head is pretty different.

Sabrblade wrote:
Takara wouldn't be using this head if they were doing either Dinoking or Monstructor. Takara is too traditionalist and media-faithful to do that. If they were to do either Dinoking or Monstructor, they would darn well make sure that the toy looked like how Dinoking or Monstructor is supposed to look, exposed face and all.

Yet, we can see that they are keeping the Volcanicus head with no tooling changes, so whatever it is they are doing will have a face like Volcanicus's.

I agree with this. But again, them also being .

1 NONE of their selects releases have been "lazy". Some might argue God Neptune, but that is just an easy recolor, and faithful to the original.

2. Concepts like G2 and SG are barely known in Japan and have little if any presence, they would not be going that route either.

3. I highly doubt this will be a straight up Volcanicus re-release, or even some sort of "improved" Volcanicus. I'm betting that similiar to how they took Victorion and made her a completely new character (Megatronia) , TT will do the same with the PotP Dinobots, or at least Grimlock. Make him a Brand New character various beast styled limbs perhaps using a mix of Dinobots and Terrorcons?

o.supreme wrote:Concepts like G2 and SG are barely known in Japan and have little if any presence, they would not be going that route either.

I'm gonna have to say this is incorrect. SG has proven to be a fun concept over there. Did you forget that that Gridman show was basically a Shattered Glass as human-formers anime?

I'm not certain on G2, but I think saying SG is a barely known thing there isn't entirely accurate.

o.supreme wrote:2. Concepts like G2 and SG are barely known in Japan and have little if any presence, they would not be going that route either.

Not saying it would or could be either of those, buuuut...

The fact that one of the contributors of SSSS Gridman happens to be a fan of SG doesn't mean it's wildly popular in Japan, that was a deep cut that most non-TF fans would not even notice. How many SG releases did TT make before Brand Unification? I think only one that was a co-production with eHobby or something like that.

Also notice there was no effort by TT to release CW Superion, Menasor, Bruticus in G2 colors as Hasbro did, and from what I can see (Hasbro had a fire sale on them), they weren't too popular in North America either , and it wasn't like fans in Japan were paying ungoldly prices to import them, like fans in NA were for TT releases prior to Brand Unification.

o.supreme wrote:The fact that one of the contributors of SSSS Gridman happens to be a fan of SG doesn't mean it's wildly popular in Japan, that was a deep cut that most non-TF fans would not even notice. How many SG releases did TT make before Brand Unification? I think only one that was a co-production with eHobby or something like that.

A lot of SG fanart comes from Japanese fans.

Heck, that e-HOBBY/Fun Pub SG G1 reissue set of Soundwave and Blaster from 2013 happened at all because Japanese fans were asking for their own SG toy releases.

Maybe a another relaunch of Battlebeasts and Volcanicus is the King beast with the legends comics having the battlebeasts pop up a bit/stylised titan masters. I always had Volcanicus use the Trex head, just needed a large fire/wood/water rub symbol on him. Diaclones my first guess, Battlebeasts is my zany guess.

blackeyedprime wrote:Maybe a another relaunch of Battlebeasts and Volcanicus is the King beast with the legends comics having the battlebeasts pop up a bit/stylised titan masters. I always had Volcanicus use the Trex head, just needed a large fire/wood/water rub symbol on him. Diaclones my first guess, Battlebeasts is my zany guess.

The Selects manga is in a completely different setting from the Legends manga.

While the Legends manga kept the Beastformers the same as they always were, the Selects manga features them as "Beast People" instead, ordinary civilians with no combat ability living in a Earth-like city and wearing normal clothing instead of battle armor, as the Selects manga is set at a point in time eons before the Beast People become the Beastformers.

In my opinion, this is the perfect Megatron, just like the PotP Optimus is the perfect Optimus. Awesome!

I got charged today for a Deluxe from Hasbro Pulse and of course, there is no easy way to tell what the charge is for. I think it is for Hubcap but I am not sure. Their order details page still needs some work.

aronjlove wrote:I got charged today for a Deluxe from Hasbro Pulse and of course, there is no easy way to tell what the charge is for. I think it is for Hubcap but I am not sure. Their order details page still needs some work.

I just got an email saying mine was delayed 2 weeks, but I am hearing some Pulse wave 2 ER pre-orders might be coming in stock now

aronjlove wrote:I got charged today for a Deluxe from Hasbro Pulse and of course, there is no easy way to tell what the charge is for. I think it is for Hubcap but I am not sure. Their order details page still needs some work.

It's probably Rotorstorm. Others have reported being charged for him while Hubcap has been purportedly pushed back to mid-September.

Currently, I do think that a repaint of Volcanicus is an easy pass for me. I didnt think the original one was all that great.

I suppose if they've reworked it into something stunning, maybe.