Black Hat wrote:Caelus wrote:Okay, with all the talk about 'blatantly attacking others views' and such, it seems like people may have lost some perspective on the matter. To remind y'all, this is what it looks like when someone blatantly attacks your views:
For all the Trump supporters here whinging and quaking because they feel like their safe-space has been violated by some liberal bias, you're looking for oppression in the wrong place. Seibertron.com does not have a leftist/feminist/liberal/democrat/socialist/atheist/whatever agenda, nor do the admins/staff.
And thank God for that. Considering how well communities tend to do under socialist rule (Soviet Russia, Red China, NeoGAF etc) I think we can all be very grateful that the madness hasn't fully infected this serene oasis of robot nerding.
If they did, I'd be a hell of a lot more involved here.
I'm not seeing the problem here...
See, I actually am the sort of 'rabid' 'intolerant' liberal that wants to destroy 'your' America.
That's fine, but expect criticism for that. Well, I say "That's fine", really I think you'd be better moving to Sweden and get an idea for what happens when things go your way.
I actually want to amend the constitution to severely limit your access to guns.
Good thing you're not in charge then, isn't it?
I want to tax churches. I want to tax the **** out of corporations and people in the top 1%,
Which wouldn't actually fix the problems the world has, but carry on.
and I want healthcare, food, and shelter to be basic rights of people living in our country.
We have free healthcare over here in the UK. It isn't very good.
I don't want creationism taught in schools as a 'science'.
OK in fairness, this one I can relate to.
I believe sex education should be mandatory in public schools.
Not quite as cut-and-dried as it might seem- in theory it's a great idea, but in practice it gets taught much too early.
I don't believe that church marriages should be legally binding institutions of the state, and I don't believe that you have any right to tell two (or more!) consenting adults that they can't live together, raise kids together, or file taxes together.
Maybe because marriage, pretty much by definition, is a union between a man and a woman. Like, that's not me bashing gay or bi people, that's the actual, original definition.
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
Well you've certainly made the point that you don't know as much as you think you do.
Oh, well, a couple of other things I tend to take for granted but seem to be lost on some people - sexual assault is bad,
Not disagreeing with you there. Sexual assault is bad. However, the way that it's dealt with by courts (especially in colleges) is a royal mess, as too much stock is placed in "Listen and believe". As someone who's been falsely accused of sexual harassment I'm all too familiar with how sexual assault claims can be used as weapons.
women should receive equal pay for equal work,
Yeah, about that...and cops should be held to a much higher standard than the rest of the population.
I see exactly what you're doing, pal. Don't even go there.
I'm not the most liberal person I know, but I'm so liberal, that - hypocrisy be ****ed - if I could deport all of the Trump supporters in exchange for Muslim Mexicans who want to be U.S. citizens, I'd take at most a week to deliberate on the offer.
Again, good thing you're not in that position isn't it?
However, I pretty much minimize my time here, because, guess what? Over the past twelve years or so, opening my leftist/feminist/whatever mouth has generally meant getting treated like **** by other posters, and left hanging by the staff, because - you know - condemning jokes about sexual exploitation of women is too 'political' for such a forum.
I'm gonna need a source on that, because last time I checked that sh!t didn't fly. I mean, I got in minor trouble for casually describing an up-their-own-arse film critic as a "Pretentious f@ggot".
Among the more (relatively) erudite labels I've been given, I've been dissed as a bleeding-heart, a snowflake, a SJW (because somehow 'social justice' is a bad thing), a 'liberal academic', an 'elitist intellectual', and - my favorite - a "godless atheist" - That was when I lost my staff position, by the way.
What, a bit like anyone even remotely conservative gets branded a racist, sexist, transphobic, bigoted MRA bible-thumping klansman?
So yeah, you really think the staff on this site has some oppressive, liberal agenda?
No, but I disagree with the political opinions of certain members of staff.
That's been the best laugh I've had this week.
Well, I'm glad you can extract some joy out of something.
That 'liberal bias' you think is lurking around every corner? That's moderate Americans exercising their constitutional right to criticize a man so far down the rabbit hole that the left-right spectrum doesn't even make sense in the context of the argument anymore.
So pretty much "I'm on the right side of history, anyone who disagrees with me is a far-right lunatic".
Lemme put it this way. I generally speaking have no issue with the moderation on this forum, I think it's pretty fair and even-handed. But if I were to say, for example, that I think life is sacred, abortion is murder and that it should only EVER be considered in cases where otherwise the mother would die as well, I'd probably get in MAJOR trouble. Lots of people hold that viewpoint. Not because they "hate women" or whatever, but because to them, the idea of killing an innocent unborn foetus is morally abhorrent. Now I don't 100% agree with those people (though I don't 100% agree with the other side either) but I fully respect their right to hold that opinion and that they aren't some kind of evil sh!tlords for holding that belief. The problem is, we live in a society that's shifted so far to the left, away from the values that held society together in the first place, that simply disagreeing with a pretty damn radical liberal idea is considered "far right". I'm not talking about idiots that bomb abortion clinics BTW, just regular people who find abortion distasteful.
TLDR: The problem isn't with Seibertron, it's with society as a whole.