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So is that just the prototype for Nemesis? Since the vehicle mode is showing significantly less purple than it should??

Yes it is a test sample. They just use "whatever" color plastic is readily available just to test the mold itself. Not indicative of final colors at all

That's a relief. I'm pretty sure Mainframe Nemesis wasn't purple at all. But this looks more based on Sunbow Nemesis. Which was predominantly purple.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:That's a relief. I'm pretty sure Mainframe Nemesis wasn't purple at all. But this looks more based on Sunbow Nemesis. Which was predominantly purple.

Nemesis in BW has very muted colors of different Blues & light Purple, even looking silverish at times, only made more difficult as it is often seen in relation to the oceans in orbit over Earth, or just above earth's oceans, or in a stormy cloud covered sky. But yes in this case it will likely be based on the Marvel/Sunbow animation design, so will be a deep purple. This was also the case in the Netflix series Earthrise & Kingdom, as well in all appearances of the Nemesis in TF Generations Toy production Artwork in recent years.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:That's a relief. I'm pretty sure Mainframe Nemesis wasn't purple at all. But this looks more based on Sunbow Nemesis. Which was predominantly purple.

Pretty sure they said the plastic color would be closer to the dark purple used on the test sample. The paint present, like the lavender panels, are probably going to stick all the way through.

Emerje

This is beautiful

All the toys in this wave look cool and special in their own way.

TulioDude wrote:


This is beautiful

All the toys in this wave look cool and special in their own way.

They do both look amazing. I pre-ordered Megatron, but not Optimus as I only want the cab/bot. Prolly no chance theys gonna release just it. But I am hoping they will as Nemesis, that I will buy. If its jus the cab.

Also about the Shrapnel guns; I dont see any difference in left or right.

Hero Alpha wrote:They do both look amazing. I pre-ordered Megatron, but not Optimus as I only want the cab/bot. Prolly no chance theys gonna release just it. But I am hoping they will as Nemesis, that I will buy. If its jus the cab.

Also about the Shrapnel guns; I dont see any difference in left or right.

I don't know why you'd want just the cab when that trailer actually do something relevant contrary to Rodimus Prime. Especially because that super mode is freakishly awesome and iconic and it give Prime a fighting chance against Megatron.

Emerje wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:That's a relief. I'm pretty sure Mainframe Nemesis wasn't purple at all. But this looks more based on Sunbow Nemesis. Which was predominantly purple.

Pretty sure they said the plastic color would be closer to the dark purple used on the test sample. The paint present, like the lavender panels, are probably going to stick all the way through.

Emerje

That's good. It was the light blue and white pieces that initially raised an eyebrow. That said, this mould can now eventually form the basis for a future retool of the Mainframe Nemesis design.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hero Alpha wrote:They do both look amazing. I pre-ordered Megatron, but not Optimus as I only want the cab/bot. Prolly no chance theys gonna release just it. But I am hoping they will as Nemesis, that I will buy. If its jus the cab.

Also about the Shrapnel guns; I dont see any difference in left or right.

I don't know why you'd want just the cab when that trailer actually do something relevant contrary to Rodimus Prime. Especially because that super mode is freakishly awesome and iconic and it give Prime a fighting chance against Megatron.

It certainly made the designs of Armada Megs and Prime stand out from their contemporaries (Since we'll likely never get Car Robots Prime again). Which also means, that if these two are green lit. Tidal Wave and Overload/Ultra Magnus might also be on the cards?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote: Which also means, that if these two are green lit. Tidal Wave and Overload/Ultra Magnus might also be on the cards?

We can hope.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hero Alpha wrote:They do both look amazing. I pre-ordered Megatron, but not Optimus as I only want the cab/bot. Prolly no chance theys gonna release just it. But I am hoping they will as Nemesis, that I will buy. If its jus the cab.

Also about the Shrapnel guns; I dont see any difference in left or right.

I don't know why you'd want just the cab when that trailer actually do something relevant contrary to Rodimus Prime. Especially because that super mode is freakishly awesome and iconic and it give Prime a fighting chance against Megatron.

I just dont care for the look of his super mode. Ever since I saw the prototype of this Optimus I was excited to use it as my main G1 Prime in a new body. To go against Super Megatron. Or at the very least, use it as my Nemesis, if theys ever release one. I really liked Armada as a whole, just not so much the look of his super mode. But the base Optimus is one of my fav looks for him, along with G2 lazer Prime. I do like the new G2 Prime, but its just barely not good enough to replace Earthrise one as my Prime. Now if it had bulkier arms, shoulder/missle-pod rotation and maybe better legs, yes.

I would not be buying Armada Prime as Armada Prime. Just like Im buying Armada Megatron to be used as Helex(since prolly never make him), or someone, cause I just really love that design, just not as my Megatron. So I have no need for Prime's super mode.(my collection is as a head-canon 4th season of Sunbow G1[with a tiny bit of IDW and Marvel jammed in]). Now as far as I remember Armada Nemesis Prime never used the super mode, correct? I am not sure if they do release just the cab as Nemesis, if it would even fit in a voyager or leader price point, or something in between.

I'm not usually good with Predictions, but I have a strong feeling that Tidal Wave will be the Commander for 2024. I just dont know if the mainline release will be the animated series Purple, or the Toy Green (whichever is mainline, there will probably be a selects release of the other). I have a strong feeling Armada Jetfire will also be a leader for 2024. Not sure how they would do Overload though (since there are only 2 or 3 new Leader Class per year now, not sure if they would develop 2 of them just for Armada Prime, they usually are more diverse about character choice) So either we'll have to play the long game and wait until 2025 to complete Armada Prime's Ultimate mode, or they may release Overload as some sort of Pulse Exclusive?

Hero Alpha wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hero Alpha wrote:They do both look amazing. I pre-ordered Megatron, but not Optimus as I only want the cab/bot. Prolly no chance theys gonna release just it. But I am hoping they will as Nemesis, that I will buy. If its jus the cab.

Also about the Shrapnel guns; I dont see any difference in left or right.

I don't know why you'd want just the cab when that trailer actually do something relevant contrary to Rodimus Prime. Especially because that super mode is freakishly awesome and iconic and it give Prime a fighting chance against Megatron.

I just dont care for the look of his super mode. Ever since I saw the prototype of this Optimus I was excited to use it as my main G1 Prime in a new body. To go against Super Megatron. Or at the very least, use it as my Nemesis, if theys ever release one. I really liked Armada as a whole, just not so much the look of his super mode. But the base Optimus is one of my fav looks for him, along with G2 lazer Prime. I do like the new G2 Prime, but its just barely not good enough to replace Earthrise one as my Prime. Now if it had bulkier arms, shoulder/missle-pod rotation and maybe better legs, yes.

I would not be buying Armada Prime as Armada Prime. Just like Im buying Armada Megatron to be used as Helex(since prolly never make him), or someone, cause I just really love that design, just not as my Megatron. So I have no need for Prime's super mode.(my collection is as a head-canon 4th season of Sunbow G1[with a tiny bit of IDW and Marvel jammed in]). Now as far as I remember Armada Nemesis Prime never used the super mode, correct? I am not sure if they do release just the cab as Nemesis, if it would even fit in a voyager or leader price point, or something in between.

Given the liklihood of the normal mode Prime having pieces gangmolded with parts of the trailer, I'd expect Hasbro to shrug their shoulders and just straight up release Nemesis Prime as a redeco of the full commander Class, super mode and all, though through Selects or the like. I can't see them selling the cab on its own I'm afraid.

Hero Alpha wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hero Alpha wrote:They do both look amazing. I pre-ordered Megatron, but not Optimus as I only want the cab/bot. Prolly no chance theys gonna release just it. But I am hoping they will as Nemesis, that I will buy. If its jus the cab.

Also about the Shrapnel guns; I dont see any difference in left or right.

I don't know why you'd want just the cab when that trailer actually do something relevant contrary to Rodimus Prime. Especially because that super mode is freakishly awesome and iconic and it give Prime a fighting chance against Megatron.

I just dont care for the look of his super mode. Ever since I saw the prototype of this Optimus I was excited to use it as my main G1 Prime in a new body. To go against Super Megatron. Or at the very least, use it as my Nemesis, if theys ever release one. I really liked Armada as a whole, just not so much the look of his super mode. But the base Optimus is one of my fav looks for him, along with G2 lazer Prime. I do like the new G2 Prime, but its just barely not good enough to replace Earthrise one as my Prime. Now if it had bulkier arms, shoulder/missle-pod rotation and maybe better legs, yes.

I would not be buying Armada Prime as Armada Prime. Just like Im buying Armada Megatron to be used as Helex(since prolly never make him), or someone, cause I just really love that design, just not as my Megatron. So I have no need for Prime's super mode.(my collection is as a head-canon 4th season of Sunbow G1[with a tiny bit of IDW and Marvel jammed in]). Now as far as I remember Armada Nemesis Prime never used the super mode, correct? I am not sure if they do release just the cab as Nemesis, if it would even fit in a voyager or leader price point, or something in between.

In that case, skip the Legacy Armada Prime entirely and just get the old Bendy Prime. I wonder if that old "deluxe" is as big as the Legacy one?
If yes, you're set.

o.supreme wrote:I'm not usually good with Predictions, but I have a strong feeling that Tidal Wave will be the Commander for 2024. I just dont know if the mainline release will be the animated series Purple, or the Toy Green (whichever is mainline, there will probably be a selects release of the other). I have a strong feeling Armada Jetfire will also be a leader for 2024. Not sure how they would do Overload though (since there are only 2 or 3 new Leader Class per year now, not sure if they would develop 2 of them just for Armada Prime, they usually are more diverse about character choice) So either we'll have to play the long game and wait until 2025 to complete Armada Prime's Ultimate mode, or they may release Overload as some sort of Pulse Exclusive?

I'm sure they'd go Takara / cartoon colors for a Commander class figure, but a SSGE Titan should be Hasbro colors.



I think Overload would have to be a Leader to be done properly, he has to have a Minicon by default and needs some proper bulk to him that I don't think they can do at Voyager at all unless they made him a "tall Deluxe' in Voyager packaging and dumped the Minicon in favor of a small truck with a head that pops out and no bot mode. But I think he'd have to be smaller than Blaster.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I'm not usually good with Predictions, but I have a strong feeling that Tidal Wave will be the Commander for 2024. I just dont know if the mainline release will be the animated series Purple, or the Toy Green (whichever is mainline, there will probably be a selects release of the other). I have a strong feeling Armada Jetfire will also be a leader for 2024. Not sure how they would do Overload though (since there are only 2 or 3 new Leader Class per year now, not sure if they would develop 2 of them just for Armada Prime, they usually are more diverse about character choice) So either we'll have to play the long game and wait until 2025 to complete Armada Prime's Ultimate mode, or they may release Overload as some sort of Pulse Exclusive?

I'm sure they'd go Takara / cartoon colors for a Commander class figure, but a SSGE Titan should be Hasbro colors.



I think Overload would have to be a Leader to be done properly, he has to have a Minicon by default and needs some proper bulk to him that I don't think they can do at Voyager at all unless they made him a "tall Deluxe' in Voyager packaging and dumped the Minicon in favor of a small truck with a head that pops out and no bot mode. But I think he'd have to be smaller than Blaster.

Emerje

There's only been one Commander class redeco to date, and I wouldn't put money on Tidal Wave getting the second. It'll definitely be in show colors because that's how it works these days. That's if it's Commander class after all, which seems plausible but far from guaranteed. I'm like a few others here: if they're prioritizing integration with Megatron, then Leader class might make the most sense. I don't think Titan is going to happen anytime soon, so I hope no one is getting their hopes up too much. On the other hand, my track record for predictions is terrible.

So many Armada figures had functionality to break apart and combine with other figures, so if they keep high Armada representation in Legacy year three, it would make sense to retain Evo Fusion as the play gimmick. I would expect figures like Overload to come in at smaller size classes in that event to make it easier to use them that way. Without minicons, there aren't that many ways to represent the original play gimmicks, but that's a secondary consideration in Generations.

I still think Tidal Wave needs to be a Titan. I always saw him as the UT equivalent to Trypticon (mostly based on the game, obviously). But I think it would be fitting if he scaled with Omega Supreme. Of course, that also makes his "combining" with Megatron ..problematic? Although it could amusingly leave Megs looking like Alien's Ripley in the Work Loader

As for Overload/Ultra Magnus, I think that needs to be Commander Class. If not a direct size equivalent to G1 Magnus. He is a big, chunky bot. Best represented by that size class.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I still think Tidal Wave needs to be a Titan. I always saw him as the UT equivalent to Trypticon (mostly based on the game, obviously). But I think it would be fitting if he scaled with Omega Supreme. Of course, that also makes his "combining" with Megatron ..problematic? Although it could amusingly leave Megs looking like Alien's Ripley in the Work Loader

As for Overload/Ultra Magnus, I think that needs to be Commander Class. If not a direct size equivalent to G1 Magnus. He is a big, chunky bot. Best represented by that size class.

A titan Tidal Wave could still "combine" with Leader Armada Megatron. They just need to pack in some extra accessories with the titan that would "combine" with Megs. Big hollow things that could double as extra weapons on the titan.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rtron wrote:I swear I have no idea why they won't just leave those aesthetics as they were. I suspect it's because they're not a bunch of cubes, but at the same time, they haven't gathered millions of dollars in revenue like the movies, so they feel justified in saying "people won't like it because they're not cubes".

It's because the Prime and Animated aesthetics aren't GEEWUN enough for this design team, who want all the toys in Legacy to have a unified GEEWUN aesthetic. And yet, despite they're saying that, they let all the Beast Wars characters keep their non-G1 aesthetic despite those guys being just as (if not more) rounded and curvy as the Prime and Animated characters. It's a complete hypocrisy.

The logic there is that Beast Wars is GEEWUN and therefore needs no alteration

-Kanrabat- wrote:A titan Tidal Wave could still "combine" with Leader Armada Megatron. They just need to pack in some extra accessories with the titan that would "combine" with Megs. Big hollow things that could double as extra weapons on the titan.

It was never exactly the most intricate combination in the world. Making Tidal Wave bigger would give them flexibility to improve it.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A titan Tidal Wave could still "combine" with Leader Armada Megatron. They just need to pack in some extra accessories with the titan that would "combine" with Megs. Big hollow things that could double as extra weapons on the titan.

It was never exactly the most intricate combination in the world. Making Tidal Wave bigger would give them flexibility to improve it.

Seeing how small the Tidal Wave parts are on Megs, some simple cheapo accessories would do the job aplenty.

Having the Titan Class Tidal Wave come with additional guns that could attach in the same way to Megs, you mean? That would work for me.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Having the Titan Class Tidal Wave come with additional guns that could attach in the same way to Megs, you mean? That would work for me.

Exactly. Those "guns" would also double as gap-fillers for Tidalwave.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Having the Titan Class Tidal Wave come with additional guns that could attach in the same way to Megs, you mean? That would work for me.

Exactly. Those "guns" would also double as gap-fillers for Tidalwave.

That would be perfect. Giving Tidal Wave his rightful size and addressing the immediate issues people had with Ark at the same time.

The Beasts are going to keep being a steady presence on shelves in the Legacy Line next year. We already know of Tigerhawk in the leader class, but now we see we will get some in the smallest class as well.

Thanks to TJPrime17 for sharing these 2 new listings with the community. They are for core class Dinobot and Cheetor. The Cheetor listing is quite interesting since it is labelled as "BM" rather than "BW" Cheetor. Could be a typo/error or.... it could mean Beast Machines is back! These two are set to come out in the 2024 Legacy line.

Tra Gen Legacy UNI Core BW Dinobot
Product Number: F8519
EAN: 5010996216212

Tra Gen Legacy UNI Core BM Cheetor
Product Number: F8520
EAN: 5010996216205