The Energon Pub

william-james88 wrote:By the way, if anyone is wondering why you haven't seen Clobber or Skythread but saw others from that wave, its not because those 2 keep selling out, its because the current titans return wave being stocked by stores is a revision wave that doesnt include them : http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodi ... L973_nyu00

I was wondering if that was the case since my store was packed to the brim with titan masters from wave 1 and 2 but no clobber and now i know why.






Oh and if anyone is stil looking for al the wave 3 titanmasters, they are available online as a set at standard retail price: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodi ... L97xfkrK00

Wave 4 as well: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodi ... L97ufkrK00

7$ for a titanmaster seems like a lot, even for Canada.

WreckerJack wrote:

william-james88 wrote:By the way, if anyone is wondering why you haven't seen Clobber or Skythread but saw others from that wave, its not because those 2 keep selling out, its because the current titans return wave being stocked by stores is a revision wave that doesnt include them : http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodi ... L973_nyu00

I was wondering if that was the case since my store was packed to the brim with titan masters from wave 1 and 2 but no clobber and now i know why.

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Oh and if anyone is stil looking for al the wave 3 titanmasters, they are available online as a set at standard retail price: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodi ... L97xfkrK00

Wave 4 as well: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodi ... L97ufkrK00

7$ for a titanmaster seems like a lot, even for Canada.

Assuming that's $7.92 Canadian, it's still notably cheaper than Titan Masters tend to cost in Australia (about $10AUD usually). If it's in USD then yeah that's a bit much, but I'd happily pay the equivalent of $8CAD for a Titan Master pack.

Black Hat wrote:I dunno, but I kinda want a Snapdragon that turns into a flower-dragon-thing now. Helps that Snapdragons are lovely flowers.

That idea practically repaints itself.

Speaking of which, Generations Botanica when?

Never soon enough.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Black Hat wrote:I dunno, but I kinda want a Snapdragon that turns into a flower-dragon-thing now. Helps that Snapdragons are lovely flowers.

That idea practically repaints itself.

Speaking of which, Generations Botanica when?

Never soon enough.

Emerje

you finally did it!
made a dinosaur transformer turn into a pokemon, Venusaur!

Emerje wrote:

Black Hat wrote:I dunno, but I kinda want a Snapdragon that turns into a flower-dragon-thing now. Helps that Snapdragons are lovely flowers.

That idea practically repaints itself.

Or:

I've never liked that one as much, the dino doesn't look enough like fertilizer.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Black Hat wrote:I dunno, but I kinda want a Snapdragon that turns into a flower-dragon-thing now. Helps that Snapdragons are lovely flowers.

That idea practically repaints itself.

Speaking of which, Generations Botanica when?

Never soon enough.

Emerje

Not quite what I meant but close enough. Also that does remind me that at some point I need to get a Sabreback. Though in all honesty I'd probably eschew the "dead Dino" mode in favour of keeping him in a distinctly alive posture but transforming the tail into the "flower cannon" to give the world MOBILE DINOSAUR-PROPELLED BIO-ARTILLERY

What are these Dino-plant thingies?

*sigh* now all i want is a remodeled version of Snapdragon, and the jet looks like the SR-71


But Really, all i wanted for the 6th wave is really Apeface, i've always wanted him when i was 5

LE0KING wrote:Ah, I just looked it up and found out that sixshot's alt-modes look so wierd because they are meant to look like the G1 toys lackluster alt-modes. Sorry for the rant there, didn't realize that the alt-modes suck on purpose.
You'd think that they would have taken the opportunity to improve on the figure's designs instead of just remaking it.
Cutting edge design 30+ years ago = disappointing design now.

Remember just because you think the TR being heavily inspired by the original series toys is a bad thing is merely opinion, there are a lot of fans out there such as myself that actually enjoy that aspect. It does not make the toys "suck" it makes them better, more desirable to collect. Again this is only my opinion as well.

When I gave my thoughts on Six Shot I was subjective giving its positives AND negatives. Give us more constructive criticism other than you just "hate it because geewun"...

Also I don't know how you could NOT know previously what that toy was based off of, maybe you should research a little more before making purchases.

Black Hat wrote:Not quite what I meant but close enough. Also that does remind me that at some point I need to get a Sabreback. Though in all honesty I'd probably eschew the "dead Dino" mode in favour of keeping him in a distinctly alive posture but transforming the tail into the "flower cannon" to give the world MOBILE DINOSAUR-PROPELLED BIO-ARTILLERY

It was Guiledart and all his mold reuses who had the "dead dino" Trap Mode. Saberback and Sling (and their respective mold reuses) turned into flower Trap Modes.

Albatross250 wrote::roll:
What are these Dino-plant thingies?

Two figures from Beast Wars Neo. The Stegosaurus is Saberback, and the Dimetrodon is Sling. They both had Trap Modes in which the two would disguise themselves as deadly flowers for the good guys to come along and fall victim to. This gimmick was retained in each of their mold's respective redecoed releases.

o.supreme wrote:Also I don't know how you could NOT know previously what that toy was based off of, maybe you should research a little more before making purchases.

Well, 1987 was when people were starting to drop out of Transformers in droves; and Sixshot's only major non-Japanese appearance was in IDW - early IDW, and he hasn't shown up for almost 10 years now. We like to think of him as major but I figure someone not knowing about him is pretty forgivable.

And really, much as I love him... fact of the matter is that Sixshot's modes just aren't very good. He's arguably one of the worst examples of 'cybertronian' modes out there aside from maybe Fort Max and Cybertron Metroplex; his modes don't really resemble what they're supposed to beyond a vague sort of idea of their silhouette. His draw was always that he could transform into six things, not what each of those six things were.

Kurona wrote:And really, much as I love him... fact of the matter is that Sixshot's modes just aren't very good. He's arguably one of the worst examples of 'cybertronian' modes out there aside from maybe Fort Max and Cybertron Metroplex; his modes don't really resemble what they're supposed to beyond a vague sort of idea of their silhouette. His draw was always that he could transform into six things, not what each of those six things were.

That opinion I can value. But with all the video and extensive photo reviews of the figure currently online, it doesn't take much effort to do a little research. I mean I already know Sky Shadow will be my next Purchase (Never had or cared about Thunderwing or Takara's Black Shadow back in 1989), but I've seen enough photos and videos to know the positives and negatives well in advance of my purchase. I know what I'll be getting when I get it.

o.supreme wrote:

Kurona wrote:And really, much as I love him... fact of the matter is that Sixshot's modes just aren't very good. He's arguably one of the worst examples of 'cybertronian' modes out there aside from maybe Fort Max and Cybertron Metroplex; his modes don't really resemble what they're supposed to beyond a vague sort of idea of their silhouette. His draw was always that he could transform into six things, not what each of those six things were.

That opinion I can value. But with all the video and extensive photo reviews of the figure currently online, it doesn't take much effort to do a little research. I mean I already know Sky Shadow will be my next Purchase (Never had or cared about Thunderwing or Takara's Black Shadow back in 1989), but I've seen enough photos and videos to know the positives and negatives well in advance of my purchase. I know what I'll be getting when I get it.

I was born in 92, have never watched G1, and have never seen the original toy. I also avoid the reviews of figures so I don't get spoiled, figuring out how to transform a toy is part of the fun.
That said, the only reason I picked sixshot up is because he's an idw phase sixer, who single handedly beat the wreckers.
I understand you want what you had as a kid, but look at it from a modern perspective, the G1 show and toys weren't all that great. If you want something to last you improve it overtime. It's like Microsoft rereleasing windows 98 and expecting everyone to love it lIke they do.

LE0KING wrote:It's like Microsoft rereleasing windows 98 and expecting everyone to love it lIke they do.

That analogy only works if Titans Return Sixshot turned out to be a straight reissue of the bricky G1 mold instead of the new mold with modern day engineering and articulation that we got.

LE0KING wrote:I was born in 92, have never watched G1, and have never seen the original toy.

My son was born in 2006. He has seen the original show (which Sixshot was in all of a one minute scene), and has never seen the original toy other than photos I've shown him.

LE0KING wrote:I also avoid the reviews of figures so I don't get spoiled, figuring out how to transform a toy is part of the fun.

fair enough, you take your chances I guess.

LE0KING wrote:That said, the only reason I picked Sixshot up is because he's an idw phase sixer, who single handedly beat the wreckers.

So you do have some familiarity with this character.

LE0KING wrote:I understand you want what you had as a kid

As I stated earlier I never had this toy myself, but had friends who did.

LE0KING wrote:but look at it from a modern perspective,

I do through my son.

LE0KING wrote:the G1 show and toys weren't all that great.

Opinion not fact, I happen to think the original series show is the 2nd best animated version of Transformers ever. The toys vary from very good to admittedly very bad. I'd take 1984-87 line over anything released from 2006-2012.

LE0KING wrote:If you want something to last you improve it overtime. It's like Microsoft rereleasing windows 98 and expecting everyone to love it like they do.

Or like when they took Windows 7, which everyone loved and came out with version 8...oh wait I mean 10, oh wait...dang...Everyone still likes 7.


I get that Sixshot is a very polarizing toy, as are most of the Leader Class it seems. WJ asked when I announced I purchased him, knowing that some reviews are very positive, others are negative, and that's fine. Just tell me why you think the toy is awful, not just "he's too geewun". Kurona stated it well, the alt modes don't work on many levels, which I agree with, my nostalgia negates all that, but still I acknowledge he really doesn't look like a "tank", or "submarine" or "car" etc...etc...but to me its still a very fun toy, and I'm glad to have it in my collection

Sixshot never faced off against the Wreckers... though it's worth noting that the only two times he was beaten in IDW was against a team of aliens which were shown to be extremely powerful, and when he was against Metroplex. Who had to stomp him full force twice. And he still didn't die.

Sixshot's pretty badass.

Kurona wrote:Sixshot never faced off against the Wreckers... though it's worth noting that the only two times he was beaten in IDW was against a team of aliens which were shown to be extremely powerful, and when he was against Metroplex. Who had to stomp him full force twice. And he still didn't die.

Sixshot's pretty badass.

Maybe he's thinking of Black Shadow, who did defeat one iteration of the Wreckers...before Tarn sang to him.

Kurona wrote:Sixshot never faced off against the Wreckers... though it's worth noting that the only two times he was beaten in IDW was against a team of aliens which were shown to be extremely powerful, and when he was against Metroplex. Who had to stomp him full force twice. And he still didn't die.

Sixshot's pretty badass.

When nova prime tried to takeover the universe the first time it was sixshot, bludgeon, and Thunderwing protecting some power cores, or something sci-fi, vs the autobots, namely the wreckers.

Sabrblade wrote:

LE0KING wrote:It's like Microsoft rereleasing windows 98 and expecting everyone to love it lIke they do.

That analogy only works if Titans Return Sixshot turned out to be a straight reissue of the bricky G1 mold instead of the new mold with modern day engineering and articulation that we got.

Not to be bullheaded but I from what I can tell I don't see much improved engineering. I watched some videos about the G1 figure and he seems to transform almost exactly the same.
I know I'm coming off contrary, and I don't mean to. I'm just disappointed.

LE0KING wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

LE0KING wrote:It's like Microsoft rereleasing windows 98 and expecting everyone to love it lIke they do.

That analogy only works if Titans Return Sixshot turned out to be a straight reissue of the bricky G1 mold instead of the new mold with modern day engineering and articulation that we got.

Not to be bullheaded but I from what I can tell I don't see much improved engineering. I watched some videos about the G1 figure and he seems to transform almost exactly the same.
I know I'm coming off contrary, and I don't mean to. I'm just disappointed.

Think of it this way. G2 Smokescreen, Energon Starscream, 2010 Terradive, and FOC Starscream all share the same core transformation scheme, yet the same technology to achieve the same conversion process wasn't the used for all four. G2 Smokescreen used 1995 Generation 2 toy engineering, Energon Starscream used 2004 Unicron Trilogy toy engineering, Terradive 2010 pre-DOTM Movieverse (mostly Revenge of the Fallen) toy engineering, and FOC Starscream used 2012 Generations toy engineering. A similar result was achieved each time through different levels of toy engineering.

I guess I don't understand what you mean, if you are referring to aesthetics there's not much difference here, if you're are referring to design, again I don't see much difference. Granted I don't have the original in hand, But it looks like the steps to transform him are exactly the same bend legs, spin arms, fold wings, boom a tank.
Just so I don't sound like a total hater, I do like how he has multiple cockpits for his titan master.

I guess Sixshot is the epitome of the G1-fan's ultimate wish: "Exactly like G1... only better".

From what I've seen the same overall engineering is used, with some tweaks, but with parts that call back to the G1 figure to a tee, Headmaster gimmick aside. Some love it, but others may say "eh, seen that before". If you don't have the G1 figure, this is the next best thing.

Qwan wrote:Dinosaurs and dragons (were they to exist) are/were both reptiles, so there are at least some reptiles that look like that.
I get you though, "reptile" is a bit broad - but it's also the most agreeable designation - some believe that he's a dragon, others a T-rex, but at the very least most people can agree that he is some sort of reptile.

I guess the distinction I am drawing here is this : Reptile implies cold blooded - so take a Crocodile / Alligator Transformer - (applying Beast Wars principles) I would expect such a character to be like Razorclaw and sit and wait a lot and then make sudden burst of movement.

Where as a T-rex (or a dinosaur in general) I see as active and mobile like a Bird - and so I guess I see Snapdragon as someone who is mobile and not someone who is laying about the place until he's needed which is what the idea of reptile evokes to me... the idea of quite followed by frenetic movement. Also I would say he's got a Jet mode so the Dragon idea sort of comes into play there with him being like a Forest Dragon (wingless) but still able to fly in jet mode (and possibly in a limited way in robot mode too).

Which raises an interesting point now - other than say Starscream - I usually prefer Decepticons to not fly in robot mode unless the have an alt mode that is a jet and the lay out of their robot mode suggest flight is appropriate (like with Starscream). Someone like Flywheels or Battletrap I just don't see as flying about.

Perhaps I'm to influenced by the comics - but the same would be true of say Highbrow or Springer too - I can't see either of them flying without Transforming... Brainstorm... is more of a "Maybe".

Anyway the reason I mention this (here) is what about Trypticon can he or should he fly in beast-robot mode ? or would he be better having to transform to space ship mode to fly ?

I never really thought about it before - but he has a jet pack and he'd be a lot more mobile than Metroplex - which is a pretty big advantage. Where as I do sometimes wonder about Scoponok too - him flying in city mode as daft as that is - does seem canonical, and as many more Scorpies lack a city mode he therefore maybe shouldn't fly ?

What do people think.. or is this a question that requires it's own topic ?

I like to think that Trypticon can fly in robot mode... but it's incredibly inefficient due to his body shape not really being tailored towards it.

A jet or a humanoid body are commonly recognised as being suited to flying, but a big fat t-rex? You can certainly try, but it's not gonna work out well.