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MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:20 pm

It's possible the reason they made Prime's trailer so simple in the first place was so they could spend the money saved elsewhere in the line. Hasbro is known for tricks like that.

Emerje

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:30 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'm hoping for a G2 version of ER Optimus. That would be cool.

Slightly different colors? Black trailer? Backpack with guns?

I could do with that.

Something like this would make me consider buying that figure

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:47 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'm hoping for a G2 version of ER Optimus. That would be cool.

Slightly different colors? Black trailer? Backpack with guns?

I could do with that.

Well, they wouldn't necessarily change the blue and red used.
But yeah, the black trailer with the red decals, the air conditioner/backpack with the cannons if possible... Mmm.

I'd also love to see a G2 redeco of Apex Optimus/God Ginrai, but they're unlikely to do that.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:06 pm

On the original, the extra piece on the trailer was a soundbox. Would you want that on this update as well?

News Credits: 459 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:26 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:On the original, the extra piece on the trailer was a soundbox. Would you want that on this update as well?

Maybe not as an electronics sound box but definitely as a missile pack.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:On the original, the extra piece on the trailer was a soundbox. Would you want that on this update as well?
Maybe not as an electronics sound box but definitely as a missile pack.

Yeah, I would want it as well, I just wasn't sure if a part with electronics would kick up the price on the figure.

News Credits: 459 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:31 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:On the original, the extra piece on the trailer was a soundbox. Would you want that on this update as well?
Maybe not as an electronics sound box but definitely as a missile pack.
Yeah, I would want it as well, I just wasn't sure if a part with electronics would kick up the price on the figure.

Oh, newly-added electronics would most certainly add to a figure's budget.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:On the original, the extra piece on the trailer was a soundbox. Would you want that on this update as well?
Maybe not as an electronics sound box but definitely as a missile pack.
Yeah, I would want it as well, I just wasn't sure if a part with electronics would kick up the price on the figure.
Oh, newly-added electronics were most certainly add to a figure's budget.

... and more up TakaraTomy's alley, really. Even then, they'd more than likely recycle soundclips from previous releases.

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by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:11 am

Or they'd record all-new voiceclips from Tessho Genda and get so caught up in hyping that fact that they slacked off on quality control.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:37 pm

From the TF Facebook page:

A look at the whole map, and confirmation of 4 waves.....I wonder with all shows and conventions being cancelled for the forseeable future, how Hasbro will reveal toys later in this line?

Also

What TF character is annoying enough to pull this off for us? Wheelie?, Kremzeek?

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:57 pm

Interesting, didn't quite realise that the different size classes had different sized pieces

News Credits: 459 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:16 pm

o.supreme wrote:I wonder with all shows and conventions being cancelled for the forseeable future, how Hasbro will reveal toys later in this line?

Probably via Hasbro Pulse.

by **M. Spector** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:36 pm

Emerje wrote:It's possible the reason they made Prime's trailer so simple in the first place was so they could spend the money saved elsewhere in the line. Hasbro is known for tricks like that.

Emerje

That is a good point, but also, how complex does OP's trailer really need to be? I think they hit all the necessary benchmarks with the Earthrise one. And I know a lot of peeps where sad there wasn't a roller but if that's what it takes to make the trailer package "complete" then we've got it pretty good :lol:

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:46 pm

M. Spector wrote:
Emerje wrote:It's possible the reason they made Prime's trailer so simple in the first place was so they could spend the money saved elsewhere in the line. Hasbro is known for tricks like that.

Emerje

That is a good point, but also, how complex does OP's trailer really need to be? I think they hit all the necessary benchmarks with the Earthrise one. And I know a lot of peeps where sad there wasn't a roller but if that's what it takes to make the trailer package "complete" then we've got it pretty good

Think scaled down new mp optimus trailer or even the G1 trailer and then it will hit the benchmarks but with titan master compatability. There were no benchmarks hit with the earthrise one, maybe the drone being removable (tho it's not as positional on the trailer) and the shield that impacts how the trailer door opens was kind of a fail too.
*the only credit I can give it is the compatability for studio series figures.

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:40 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
o.supreme wrote:I wonder with all shows and conventions being cancelled for the forseeable future, how Hasbro will reveal toys later in this line?
Probably via Hasbro Pulse.

Everything for this year has already been revealed, no?

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:13 pm

For the calendar year/mainline perhaps.... But There are still several selects to be revealed, and exclusives (beyond just names in computer systems), that we haven't seen any pictures of yet. Also the entire 4th wave, which will probably be Q1 2021, some of which probably would have been shown, or at least hinted at SDCC, and other shows internationally during the summer.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:59 pm

blackeyedprime wrote:
M. Spector wrote:
Emerje wrote:It's possible the reason they made Prime's trailer so simple in the first place was so they could spend the money saved elsewhere in the line. Hasbro is known for tricks like that.

Emerje

That is a good point, but also, how complex does OP's trailer really need to be? I think they hit all the necessary benchmarks with the Earthrise one. And I know a lot of peeps where sad there wasn't a roller but if that's what it takes to make the trailer package "complete" then we've got it pretty good

Think scaled down new mp optimus trailer or even the G1 trailer and then it will hit the benchmarks but with titan master compatability. There were no benchmarks hit with the earthrise one, maybe the drone being removable (tho it's not as positional on the trailer) and the shield that impacts how the trailer door opens was kind of a fail too.
*the only credit I can give it is the compatability for studio series figures.

Yeah, there was a lot they could have done with it, but they went extra simple. There's no real comparison between ER Prime's trailer and Siege Magnus or Galaxy Upgrade Prime's trailers. Yeah, the main bots aren't really comparable in complexity, but Hasbro already made up for that by cutting costs through parts sharing. I have a really hard time believing it cost as much to make ER Prime as Siege Ultra Magnus as a whole package.

Emerje

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:41 am

While SIEGE Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus' armor is more technically complex than ER Optimus' trailer, it also has a lot of mass-saving hollowness. And plastic mass tends to be an overriding factor...
Has anyone compared SIEGE Magnus' armor with ER Optimus' trailer on a scale yet?

Something else to consider is that SIEGE Ultra Magnus has both a simpler cab robot than ER Optimus and a moldmate to shoulder the cost burden with. ER Optimus, as far as we know, doesn't have that.

A lot of what they could have done with ER Optimus' trailer would have pushed him into Commander class, I think. Especially Titan/Prime Master compatible versions of the G1 toy's control stations, just from the extra size needed to make it work smoothly.

News Credits: 12 · by **Sentinel_Primal** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:53 am

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:While SIEGE Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus' armor is more technically complex than ER Optimus' trailer, it also has a lot of mass-saving hollowness. And plastic mass tends to be an overriding factor...
Has anyone compared SIEGE Magnus' armor with ER Optimus' trailer on a scale yet?

Something else to consider is that SIEGE Ultra Magnus has both a simpler cab robot than ER Optimus and a moldmate to shoulder the cost burden with. ER Optimus, as far as we know, doesn't have that.

A lot of what they could have done with ER Optimus' trailer would have pushed him into Commander class, I think. Especially Titan/Prime Master compatible versions of the G1 toy's control stations, just from the extra size needed to make it work smoothly.

I really doubt it'd need to go up to Commander for that. A couple changes to the Prime figure itself would probably be enough to allow for that. But, considering how good the Prime figure is, I'd say they made the right decision, though I fully admit that I haven't gotten the figure, and only plan to get it if it's at a discount.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:35 am

The repair/cannon drone would need to be bigger to have enough room for a Titan Master cockpit, and the trailer itself would need to be a bigger to smoothly accommodate both that and Titan Master-compatible control stations on the decks while folded up, especially if it was to still have empty space for a vehicle while closed. That upsizing would push it past the limits of Leader-class, and there's nothing between Leader and Commander so... Of course, the upside to that would be room in the budget for a TM/PM-compatible Roller plus more accessories, and the trailer being bigger enough that it could hold cars larger than Minibots.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:41 am

Forget a platform for a Titan master. Those were for previous lines. This is a new trilogy. If ER Prime had anything added, it should have been a Roller.

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:48 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:Forget a platform for a Titan master. Those were for previous lines. This is a new trilogy. If ER Prime had anything added, it should have been a Roller.

Dunno, a trailer that fits deluxes would have been a better start, then a roller. With apeface/snapdragon/jetfire and other potential headmasters popping up during the trilogy the titan masters aren't forgotten yet (hopefully).

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:51 am

^That especially would have required going up a size class since it would require making the entire dang box bigger.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Forget a platform for a Titan master. Those were for previous lines.

I can think of at least four reasons why that doesn't hold water. One is purple, pearl, and black, one is white, purple, and teal, one is white, red, and less important than the other three but really big, and one is green, purple, and gray and also really really big in both size and importance.

Rodimus Prime wrote:This is a new trilogy.

That nevertheless still has play interoperability with the last one.

Rodimus Prime wrote:If ER Prime had anything added, it should have been a Roller.

Who would have done what aside from being a 5mm port on wheels? That's the problem with Roller in the context of Transformers, sadly. He's a cute little rolling drone, but...
Now, if they'd done ER Optimus to where his trailer had Titan/Prime Master seats where the G1 toy had Dianaut seats that would give Roller some more play value. I brought up a TM-compatible Roller in the expansion to my last post, actually.

Now, while I don't think it would have allowed for big stuff like the Titan/Prime Master compatibility or an enlarged trailer or even a basic Roller... I do think that there would have been room to make the trailer just a little fancier or throw in one or two more accessories if they had simplified Optimus himself.
And you know what? I personally would have been fine with them simplifying Optimus. Throw out the faux-grille nonsense, stop trying to work in the Dery Diaper in any capacity and just have the real undistorted front bumper on a hinge, stop trying to tuck the front wheels away and just have them at his hips on hinged struts like Cybertron and ROTF Optimus did... I think that would have made for a better figure.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:09 pm

I wasn't trying to say there couldn't be titan masters, but they definitely shouldn't be a line-wide gimmick. That's what the battle masters are for, isn't it? And if Warden was really going for G1 accuracy, there should have been a Roller included with the trailer. It's a more important feature of G1 Prime than being able to fit a deluxe car inside the trailer.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:46 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wasn't trying to say there couldn't be titan masters, but they definitely shouldn't be a line-wide gimmick. That's what the battle masters are for, isn't it?

Thing is, Battle Masters and even Micromasters are too big for remakes of the Dianaut seats from the G1 Optimus trailer and G1 Roller - which is what we're talking about when we say Titan Master functionality - to be practical.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And if Warden was really going for G1 accuracy, there should have been a Roller included with the trailer. It's a more important feature of G1 Prime than being able to fit a deluxe car inside the trailer.

Not everyone would agree with that. He carried the other Autobots in his trailer on occasion in the cartoon too, I think at least as often as Roller was used, and play-wise Roller wouldn't do too much on his own unless he was big.

I agree that even with that Roller would have been nice, but I think having both Roller and the cannon/repair drone (without which the trailer is nothing but an empty box) was sadly beyond the plastic budget, even if they'd saved money elsewhere by simplifying Optimus. And making the trailer big enough to hold a car larger than a Minibot was definitely out of the question for a Leader-class.

The thing about doing him as a Commander-class... As I said, that would have meant they could do a trailer that was big enough to hold Deluxes and included Roller.