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It's off, but not terrible. It's backwards so the front of the car should fold back instead of forward and the spoiler should form the feet, not the heels. Retooling could probably fix all of this, but seeing as how Hasbro is already content with the wrong car and bot modes then using Jazz at least gives us half the right figure.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:It's off, but not terrible. It's backwards so the front of the car should fold back instead of forward and the spoiler should form the feet, not the heels. Retooling could probably fix all of this, but seeing as how Hasbro is already content with the wrong car and bot modes then using Jazz at least gives us half the right figure.

Emerje

Hasbro doesn't understand the difference in nostalgia between a gobots homage or a gobots homage homage. I've also noticed when they make a charecter from a charecter, they will do it again with the later figure of the first charecter, even if it doesn't work as well, thinking that since it worked the first time, it would work well again.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:It's off, but not terrible. It's backwards so the front of the car should fold back instead of forward and the spoiler should form the feet, not the heels. Retooling could probably fix all of this, but seeing as how Hasbro is already content with the wrong car and bot modes then using Jazz at least gives us half the right figure.

Emerje

Hasbro doesn't understand the difference in nostalgia between a gobots homage or a gobots homage homage. I've also noticed when they make a charecter from a charecter, they will do it again with the later figure of the first charecter, even if it doesn't work as well, thinking that since it worked the first time, it would work well again.

In my opinion, it did work I've got far more fond memories of the movie 07 version of Fracture then I do of the original Crasher. So this new version is right up my street

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:It's off, but not terrible. It's backwards so the front of the car should fold back instead of forward and the spoiler should form the feet, not the heels. Retooling could probably fix all of this, but seeing as how Hasbro is already content with the wrong car and bot modes then using Jazz at least gives us half the right figure.

Emerje

Hasbro doesn't understand the difference in nostalgia between a gobots homage or a gobots homage homage. I've also noticed when they make a charecter from a charecter, they will do it again with the later figure of the first charecter, even if it doesn't work as well, thinking that since it worked the first time, it would work well again.

Yes, that does seem to be their way of thinking. It gives their own version of the character it's own Legacy within the TF brand.
I can get behind that.

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:It's off, but not terrible. It's backwards so the front of the car should fold back instead of forward and the spoiler should form the feet, not the heels. Retooling could probably fix all of this, but seeing as how Hasbro is already content with the wrong car and bot modes then using Jazz at least gives us half the right figure.

Emerje

Hasbro doesn't understand the difference in nostalgia between a gobots homage or a gobots homage homage. I've also noticed when they make a charecter from a charecter, they will do it again with the later figure of the first charecter, even if it doesn't work as well, thinking that since it worked the first time, it would work well again.

Yes, that does seem to be their way of thinking. It gives their own version of the character it's own Legacy within the TF brand.
I can get behind that.

I certainly understand it even if I don't like it. There's also that story we're hearing more and more often about how the design team wants to do something more accurate or fitting of the character but someone at the top tells them to repeat something they did before. This could be T30 Jhiaxus all over again, we don't know

Emerje.

I would laugh if this Crasher toy turned out to instead be labeled as "Movie Universe Fracture", as an update to that Movieverse toy instead of the GoBot.

Sabrblade wrote:I would laugh if this Crasher toy turned out to instead be labeled as "Movie Universe Fracture", as an update to that Movieverse toy instead of the GoBot.

For some reasons, I'd prefer that name over Crasher.

Sabrblade wrote:I would laugh if this Crasher toy turned out to instead be labeled as "Movie Universe Fracture", as an update to that Movieverse toy instead of the GoBot.

You wouldn't be alone in that.

Sabrblade wrote:I would laugh if this Crasher toy turned out to instead be labeled as "Movie Universe Fracture", as an update to that Movieverse toy instead of the GoBot.

That could be hilarious

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I would laugh if this Crasher toy turned out to instead be labeled as "Movie Universe Fracture", as an update to that Movieverse toy instead of the GoBot.

For some reasons, I'd prefer that name over Crasher.

Same, I'd instantly drop all my complaints about it and feel better about buying it if that were to happen.
I mean, the only way we're likely to get a movie character into Legacy is if it's an original Hasbro toy character so why not?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I would laugh if this Crasher toy turned out to instead be labeled as "Movie Universe Fracture", as an update to that Movieverse toy instead of the GoBot.

For some reasons, I'd prefer that name over Crasher.

Same, I'd instantly drop all my complaints about it and feel better about buying it if that were to happen.
I mean, the only way we're likely to get a movie character into Legacy is if it's an original Hasbro toy character so why not?

Emerje

I ... what ... I don't understand

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Emerje wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I would laugh if this Crasher toy turned out to instead be labeled as "Movie Universe Fracture", as an update to that Movieverse toy instead of the GoBot.

For some reasons, I'd prefer that name over Crasher.

Same, I'd instantly drop all my complaints about it and feel better about buying it if that were to happen.
I mean, the only way we're likely to get a movie character into Legacy is if it's an original Hasbro toy character so why not?

Emerje

I ... what ... I don't understand

Basically, the only way to get the live action movies represented in Legacy (which is drawing characters from all over the place) is to use a non-screen movie character. Incidentally, that would be perfect for characters like Incinerator, Wreckage and the like who have very sketchy ground for getting into Studio Series.

Gee, it was so cool that the only two I wanted went so fast and now the Cosmos listing is MIA! lol
Should have known, now I have to take the chance I might physically see these in a store that usually are barren wasteland in the toys dept.

Primevsprime put up a review of Cosmos

Hasbro designer Mark Maher shared lots of notes regarding the development of the Prime Arcee mold, which was furst designed under John Warden's watchful eyes.There are some interesting bits like how Axler was suggested as an alternate headsculpt (but dropped) and how it was Takara who came up with the idea of having Road Rocket be a female ninja.


"Hey guys, here is some behind the scenes development on the Deluxe Arcee, Road Rocket, and Flamewar.
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Arcee’s inital design was kicked off by John Warden and the illustration shown here was done by marcelomatere .
You will also notice the energon weapons that were drawn by santalux75.
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Now you know I dig action masters, so I was trying here for an Axer as the alt head. After talking it over with Yuki san at Takara, he had an amazing suggestion, he wanted to do a RoadPig or a RoadRocket alt head as a female ninja to go along with Arcee’s motif. I was onboard for the Road Rocket and off we went.
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You can see some of my hardlines over the sculpt to add some tings here and there, adjust some sizing, and add some sculpting flare . You can also see some design inputs I did for the alt head with the details to get her tires on her shoulders, which was a definite must.
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You will also see some early concepting done to figure out a crossbow attribute for Flamewar. I really like to get my hands on stuff and play out the fantasy. I always pictured her as a Shattered Glass Arcee personally, but to provide another strong character in the comic the team felt like it was a strong play. The shattered glass universe has been a real treat to work on and Im glad everyone is really digging it.
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Busy week so forgive me if Im MIA. I try my best to answer but Im currently drowning in the Rust Sea."

Goddamn it, Takara robbed us of Femboy representation by making Road Rocket a kunoichi.

ZeroWolf wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Emerje wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I would laugh if this Crasher toy turned out to instead be labeled as "Movie Universe Fracture", as an update to that Movieverse toy instead of the GoBot.

For some reasons, I'd prefer that name over Crasher.

Same, I'd instantly drop all my complaints about it and feel better about buying it if that were to happen.
I mean, the only way we're likely to get a movie character into Legacy is if it's an original Hasbro toy character so why not?

Emerje

I ... what ... I don't understand

Basically, the only way to get the live action movies represented in Legacy (which is drawing characters from all over the place) is to use a non-screen movie character. Incidentally, that would be perfect for characters like Incinerator, Wreckage and the like who have very sketchy ground for getting into Studio Series.

Exactly. Movie designs used in the movies tend to belong to studios so the only way Hasbro can do non-movie line figures with them is either original designs or movie inspired redesigns that aren't all that accurate.

Case in point, BotCon Cybertron's Most Wanted "C-81".



And to a lesser degree BotShots.

I really hope they didn't bother with the propsed Axer head.

Emerje

JomasterII wrote:Goddamn it, Takara robbed us of Femboy representation by making Road Rocket a kunoichi.

Eh, intent and interpretation are two different things. I'm not seeing the female in Road Rocket's figure and there is fiction depicting Road Rocket as male, so he'll be a guy on my shelves.

Emerje wrote:Exactly. Movie designs used in the movies tend to belong to studios so the only way Hasbro can do non-movie line figures with them is either original designs or movie inspired redesigns that aren't all that accurate.
Emerje

I can't imagine that's true. I could see if there were real-world vehicle licensing issues, but where is this idea coming from?

Edit: I guess I could also imagine that Hasbro couldn't license out movie figures to FunPub, but I can't imagine any reason that Hasbro could use movie character designs in, say, Studio Series but not Legacy. SS and Buzzworthy Bumblebee are both lines that mix movie and non-movie characters, since SS86 is independent of Paramount.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Emerje wrote:Exactly. Movie designs used in the movies tend to belong to studios so the only way Hasbro can do non-movie line figures with them is either original designs or movie inspired redesigns that aren't all that accurate.
Emerje

I can't imagine that's true. I could see if there were real-world vehicle licensing issues, but where is this idea coming from?

Edit: I guess I could also imagine that Hasbro couldn't license out movie figures to FunPub, but I can't imagine any reason that Hasbro could use movie character designs in, say, Studio Series but not Legacy. SS and Buzzworthy Bumblebee are both lines that mix movie and non-movie characters, since SS86 is independent of Paramount.

It's a combination of Paramount licensing the robot mode designs, and the car manufacturers licensing the models to Hasbro, and each comes with a set of Terms of Use, just like any license.

I was on the fence about cosmos but after watching the review, I definitely want him

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Emerje wrote:Exactly. Movie designs used in the movies tend to belong to studios so the only way Hasbro can do non-movie line figures with them is either original designs or movie inspired redesigns that aren't all that accurate.
Emerje

I can't imagine that's true. I could see if there were real-world vehicle licensing issues, but where is this idea coming from?

Edit: I guess I could also imagine that Hasbro couldn't license out movie figures to FunPub, but I can't imagine any reason that Hasbro could use movie character designs in, say, Studio Series but not Legacy. SS and Buzzworthy Bumblebee are both lines that mix movie and non-movie characters, since SS86 is independent of Paramount.

It's a combination of Paramount licensing the robot mode designs, and the car manufacturers licensing the models to Hasbro, and each comes with a set of Terms of Use, just like any license.

Is the suggestion here that Hasbro is giving Paramount a cut of all their movie toy sales? I don't know what was in the contract, but this doesn't make sense as a general principle of derivative works IP as I understand it, "robot mode designs" would not be protected material separate from Hasbro's rights to the characters. As a point of comparison, IDW designs are not the property of IDW or comics artists, but become Hasbro's property to use as they see fit.

The movie itself is Paramount's property, certain assets involved in the production would be too, but "robot mode designs" wouldn't make sense to be a property for the licensee when the licensor's whole business is selling robot toys. I would really like to see some primary source info to back this up. I'm also not aware of any case of a licensor being prohibited from using new designs from a licensee, though there have been uncertified rumors of that with Masters of the Universe and She-Ra. I would be shocked if that's not cared for in modern contracts.

At the very least, the designs of the robot characters in the 2007 movie were created by Paramount. Hasbro had to take those designs and figure out how to turn them into workable, transformable toys, since the designs for the on-screen characters were made first, before they were implemented in the toy design process.

That's why so many of the 2007 movie toys weren't as screen accurate as later attempts at making toys of those same designs in the toylines of the later movies.

Yeah, I'm not feeling the Axer head for the Prime Universe Arcee mold either. I'll still get it if it ever happens but it wouldn't do anything for me. I like the thought of Axer being the alt head for any new Lockdown they might do again. Circuit too. Or they can just lame out and make them all from Wheeljack instead as it's the closest to looking like RotF Lockdown in robot mode. Or at least, the alt mode parts line up in robot mode.

As for Flamewar, I'm glad it happened but I just don't get why they used that deco for the Shattered Glass version. I would've went with the Prime Cyberverse Legion deco for SG and the Botcon deco as either the regular deco for something like Generations Selects or as he said in the interview, SG Arcee. The Prime deco of Flamewar is far less evil/aggressive looking as it's only dark blue with orange and grey instead of the black with red and yellow. I guess at this point they can base a new deco SG Arcee on Prime Flamewar.

Sabrblade wrote:At the very least, the designs of the robot characters in the 2007 movie were created by Paramount. Hasbro had to take those designs and figure out how to turn them into workable, transformable toys, since the designs for the on-screen characters were made first, before they were implemented in the toy design process.

That's why so many of the 2007 movie toys weren't as screen accurate as later attempts at making toys of those same designs in the toylines of the later movies.

That makes sense, but that's a production logistics issue rather than an IP one. I think differences in representation are more likely to be due to practical reasons like that rather than rights issues.