IDW Press Release - Transformers to Face Greatest Enemy Ever This Summer

Randomhero wrote:Noooooooo.....don’t turn into a robot. It’s so much better if he was just a planet.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The design is certainly... Busy

Randomhero wrote:The remains of Cybertron are in his right hand

william-james88 wrote:Dont have long to write, just wanted to say that this is not the design I had in mind. I was hoping for something with less spikes. We will see how it goes, but this feels very 90s to me. I cant believe its drawn by Milne and not Mark Silvestri.

JazZeke wrote:I'm kind of in shock. This is affecting me more deeply than I thought it would. I mean, it feels like a shame to just throw out eight years’ worth of great continuity

partholon wrote:Starting to look like they're hedging their bets on losing the licence (who's contract is up the end of this year from what I've heard) and want to be able to tie everything up neatly.

It's certainly not looking like the usual "event" to me.

Tbh I'm conflicted. The ations and parts of MTMTE / rid were brilliant.

But by christ the recent stuff has suffered from pc tripe that's hit their quality. If it goes to another company or we get back to basics It could be the best thing to happen.

Silverwing wrote:

Randomhero wrote:The remains of Cybertron are in his right hand

Oh, man I hadn't noticed that! After all the Transformers have been through to rebuild and stabilize their home, to have it just torn to shreds like that... it's tragic. I actually feel sad for them right now.

Galactic Prime wrote:

JazZeke wrote:I'm kind of in shock. This is affecting me more deeply than I thought it would. I mean, it feels like a shame to just throw out eight years’ worth of great continuity

Where is this 8 years of great continuity? We've had nothing but but a decade of crap.

megamanfan wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The design is certainly... Busy

he is a planet, after all. i would be surprised (and disappointed) if he was simple.

megamanfan wrote:

Silverwing wrote:

Randomhero wrote:The remains of Cybertron are in his right hand

Oh, man I hadn't noticed that! After all the Transformers have been through to rebuild and stabilize their home, to have it just torn to shreds like that... it's tragic. I actually feel sad for them right now.

actually, taking a closer look at the darker parts on unicron... it looks like he IS cybertron

Ironhidensh wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

JazZeke wrote:I'm kind of in shock. This is affecting me more deeply than I thought it would. I mean, it feels like a shame to just throw out eight years’ worth of great continuity

Where is this 8 years of great continuity? We've had nothing but but a decade of crap.

In your questionable opinion.

The IDWverse has been some of the greatest and most original Transformers story telling we've ever had. I'm very sorry you don't see it.

ZeroWolf wrote:Is there any point in giving you an example since you have already made up your mind? It would be like someone trying to tell me the virtues of the dreamwave series, wouldnt matter a dot, it is inferior in every way.

ZeroWolf wrote:Instead why do you feel the characters have to act as certain way? New continuities in transformers is nothing new, and that's what idw is, a new continuity. It never pretended to be a replacement for the g1 toon and comic, they are still there. If you don't like it fine, but there are those of us who aren't going in to idw expecting it to tread old ground that's already well worn. What would be the point? Seeing megatron be more evil? Seen it. A thousand times seen it. Megatron struggling with his conscience? That's new, gimme more of that. Let the characters go beyond their bios, let them grow and develop. Let them question their alligances, commitment to their cause. Worse comes to worse you don't have to support them, but at least agree to disagree with those that do support them.

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Is there any point in giving you an example since you have already made up your mind? It would be like someone trying to tell me the virtues of the dreamwave series, wouldnt matter a dot, it is inferior in every way.

You didn't type that with a straight face did you? Because the Dreamwave stuff was leagues better in every way, especially art.

But yes, an example of what someone liked would be nice, that is the point of a discussion thread. Instead all you hear is, THIS IS GREAT, when it simply isn't.

ZeroWolf wrote:Instead why do you feel the characters have to act as certain way? New continuities in transformers is nothing new, and that's what idw is, a new continuity. It never pretended to be a replacement for the g1 toon and comic, they are still there. If you don't like it fine, but there are those of us who aren't going in to idw expecting it to tread old ground that's already well worn. What would be the point? Seeing megatron be more evil? Seen it. A thousand times seen it. Megatron struggling with his conscience? That's new, gimme more of that. Let the characters go beyond their bios, let them grow and develop. Let them question their alligances, commitment to their cause. Worse comes to worse you don't have to support them, but at least agree to disagree with those that do support them.

What deems the characters to act a certain way? How about if they don't want people to expect them to act like their G1 incarnations then you don't draw them like them.

That's why. The characters have very unique personalities in G1 that make them very interesting, moreso than what they've done with them in IDW. Everyone acts the same in these books, they're all back stabbing betraying murderous asshats.

The only interesting characters they've had they kill off or hardly use.

Galactic Prime wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

JazZeke wrote:I'm kind of in shock. This is affecting me more deeply than I thought it would. I mean, it feels like a shame to just throw out eight years’ worth of great continuity

Where is this 8 years of great continuity? We've had nothing but but a decade of crap.

In your questionable opinion.

The IDWverse has been some of the greatest and most original Transformers story telling we've ever had. I'm very sorry you don't see it.

I'm sorry you can't see how crappy it's been. Again, answer the question, where is the 8 years of great story telling? Was it in the amazing decision to have the characters act completely out of character?

Was it in the decision to end the war the comic should actually be about?

Was it in the decision to go all political and PC with everything and having it look like a rejected USA society?

Which aspect of it was great?

Ironhidensh wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

JazZeke wrote:I'm kind of in shock. This is affecting me more deeply than I thought it would. I mean, it feels like a shame to just throw out eight years’ worth of great continuity

Where is this 8 years of great continuity? We've had nothing but but a decade of crap.

In your questionable opinion.

The IDWverse has been some of the greatest and most original Transformers story telling we've ever had. I'm very sorry you don't see it.

I'm sorry you can't see how crappy it's been. Again, answer the question, where is the 8 years of great story telling? Was it in the amazing decision to have the characters act completely out of character?

Was it in the decision to end the war the comic should actually be about?

Was it in the decision to go all political and PC with everything and having it look like a rejected USA society?

Which aspect of it was great?

In no articular order:

The flashbacks to life before the war.

The characters who continue to grow as events happen, not just stay locked in stone.

The focus and spotlight given to lesser know secondary characters.

The depictions of characters dealing with war trauma.

Rung.

The ending of the war and the after effects.

The nails coming back.

The bad guys not simply being generic evil dudes.


I could go on, but I think it would be a wasted effort. Look brother, I don't mind you not liking these books. You can even hate them if you want. Just stop telling me that I have to think they are crap. I don't and I won't.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Elephant in the room time!



Will HE be factored into this? IDWverse does love to pay homage to the past, good bits and bad...

Galactic Prime wrote:
You didn't type that with a straight face did you? Because the Dreamwave stuff was leagues better in every way, especially art.

What deems the characters to act a certain way? How about if they don't want people to expect them to act like their G1 incarnations then you don't draw them like them.

Randomhero wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Elephant in the room time!



Will HE be factored into this? IDWverse does love to pay homage to the past, good bits and bad...

Absolutely not and never should...

...but fun fact Primacron was mentioned in issue 2 of Stormbringer 12 years ago by Jetfire as a blasphemous curse word all the way back when Simon Furman was very adamant on Primus and Unicron not existing in IDW.

Randomhero wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Is there any point in giving you an example since you have already made up your mind? It would be like someone trying to tell me the virtues of the dreamwave series, wouldnt matter a dot, it is inferior in every way.

You didn't type that with a straight face did you? Because the Dreamwave stuff was leagues better in every way, especially art.

But yes, an example of what someone liked would be nice, that is the point of a discussion thread. Instead all you hear is, THIS IS GREAT, when it simply isn't.

ZeroWolf wrote:Instead why do you feel the characters have to act as certain way? New continuities in transformers is nothing new, and that's what idw is, a new continuity. It never pretended to be a replacement for the g1 toon and comic, they are still there. If you don't like it fine, but there are those of us who aren't going in to idw expecting it to tread old ground that's already well worn. What would be the point? Seeing megatron be more evil? Seen it. A thousand times seen it. Megatron struggling with his conscience? That's new, gimme more of that. Let the characters go beyond their bios, let them grow and develop. Let them question their alligances, commitment to their cause. Worse comes to worse you don't have to support them, but at least agree to disagree with those that do support them.

What deems the characters to act a certain way? How about if they don't want people to expect them to act like their G1 incarnations then you don't draw them like them.

That's why. The characters have very unique personalities in G1 that make them very interesting, moreso than what they've done with them in IDW. Everyone acts the same in these books, they're all back stabbing betraying murderous asshats.

The only interesting characters they've had they kill off or hardly use.

the art was better huh?



also i hate to break it to you but the characters in G1 have several different personalities depending on your fiction.

in the cartoon Prowl was a soldier and all around good guy. In the marvel he was sometimes cold and logical and did everything based on number, his toy bio reflected that. IDW based prowl off his toy and marvel bio.

Shockwave was originally depicted as a cold being who only believed in logic. Marvel IDW even somewhat of DW did it, cartoon? hes megatrons butler.

Soundwave in the cartoon is Megatrons most loyal soldier. in marvel comics and toy hes depicted as someone whos always listening to dig up dirt and blackmail anyone to benefit himself. IDW merged all the charcteristics.

Grimlock. Cartoon he and the dinobots are idiots and are nothing but muscle to the autobots and by season three were borderline mentally challanged and comic relief. EVERY other depiction has then being bad boys that are actually smart, ruthless tough guys who break rules once in a while becuase they dont agree with orders.

i hate to break it to you but IDW for the most part has been more faithful to characters than most fiction. the Cartoon ignored most of their characters backgrounds that were all created by Bob Budianski unless they got an individual episode about them but immediately after were forgotten.

but lets also go back to better art shall we?

squat post where limbs are not actually attached to the bodies



squat pose



http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:G1_Vol.1_Issue2_1.jpg

squat pose bumblebees feet are bigger than his body. also whats going on with cliffjumpers feet behid bee? they literally floating infront of his body



http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/7/77/G1_Vol.1_Issue3_1.jpg

squat pose again just look at Bumblebee. jesus...and look at prime. what is even going on here?



http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:G1_Vol.2_Issue1_1.jpg

lets take a look at this piece of interior by supposedly the president and founder of Dreamwave Pat lee. i say supposedly because its Pat Lee and he was having artists draw the comics and putting name on the books.



Optimus has three tires on one side and 2 on another and theyre not even located where tires on a truck would be.

Yup? much superior art from 16 years ago than what we get now.

KorsO wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:
You didn't type that with a straight face did you? Because the Dreamwave stuff was leagues better in every way, especially art.

What deems the characters to act a certain way? How about if they don't want people to expect them to act like their G1 incarnations then you don't draw them like them.

Yup Ej Su's fresh representation of the TF's are the "Crappiest" (your words). DreamWave is Leagues better in every way, Especially art eh?
Rigghhtttt.
Thank you for revealing your level of crap interpretation of Good Art & story. Have never dissed anyone's opinion on these boards before.
But glad you gave me an effortless reason to Officially & literally not take your posts seriously & not pay it any courtesy. hehea

Ps: Oh and also you've been dissing other's opinions aplenty of late as well.

Galactic Prime wrote:Look stop being a tool, where did I say lacking realism? No where. EJ Su is a crappy artist, look at the bot mods, TERRIBLE. Nothing compared to Don's Dreamwave work.

Counterpunch wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:Look stop being a tool, where did I say lacking realism? No where. EJ Su is a crappy artist, look at the bot mods, TERRIBLE. Nothing compared to Don's Dreamwave work.

Well...your opinion is wrong. Everyone else can see that.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this Unicron event brings everything to a close. Rarely do we get the opportunity for a planned, total closure to a TF story.

I hope they make the most of it.

Galactic Prime wrote:
Look stop being a tool, where did I say lacking realism? No where. EJ Su is a crappy artist, look at the bot mods, TERRIBLE. Nothing compared to Don's Dreamwave work.