The Energon Pub

Nemesis Primal wrote:
So nice to be reminded that G1 and the Bay movies are all that matter, and anything actually worthwhile is disposable.

Also about this Beast Wars and the other series ended a long time ago their time has passed so why should Hasbro make an entire new toyline for a series not relevant anymore.

Last I checked the beast mode Transformers released in Generations did not sale as much as the other generations not saying they had poor sales but there is less of an appeal to the kids with Beastformers then normal Transformers.


Might be bias here since I never liked organic looking Beastformers although the Beast Wars show is ok not great but ok.


And the movies are never relevant outside of their movie years so it's just as disposable as the rest.

Yes, do be careful Nemesis P. That statement comes real close to breaking our first forum rule.

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Plus, If Rhode Island goes down, that would also mean the end for Dunkin' Donuts. We wouldn't want that! The world runs on Dunkin'.

But ya, I too love me some Beast Wars, and am sad it's not getting any of the spotlight this year.

Hellscream9999 wrote:
his point is valid, a vast amount of fans grew up with something that came after G1, yet for the past decade had nothing but G1 figures shoved down our throats. Now a big anniversary comes along, and hasbro blows it off to glorify the G1 movie, yeah I'm feeling the snub and so are many others.

To be fair the G1 movie is more relevant and remembered then Beast Wars outside the fandom.



The movie does deserve to be on top when it comes to recognition compared to Beast wars.



Kids are going to want more G1 then Beast Wars.

Cobotron wrote:Plus, If Rhode Island goes down, that would also mean the end for Dunkin' Donuts. We wouldn't want that! The world runs on Dunkin'.

Damn straight!

Nemesis Primal wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:With that awful attitude do you really believe this fandom deserves any kind of recognition whatsoever?

I could stand for this fandom, particularly the GEEWUN portion of it, to get a little less recognition.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Is not acceptable I'm not a mod but I'm saying as a human being what you said is awful not only are you wishing for a toy company that makes children's toys to drown but what about everyone else that lives there?

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of hyperbole?

Hyperbole or not it's a terrible thing to say I would say a comparison but I'm trying not to break rules or anything like that anymore.



It's really the IDW comics that people are paying attention too plus it helps that Generations have better toys compared to the recent movie and tv show lines.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Also about this Beast Wars and the other series ended a long time ago their time has passed so why should Hasbro make an entire new toyline for a series not relevant anymore.

So have you not noticed the generations line for the last decade is based on an older and even less relevant show

And to be fair, I saw as many or more whirls warming shelves than rhinox, and even more non-beast-formers warm shelves longer than the 3 times I saw rattrap; and if you're referring to the beasthunters line, you may be onto something, but they dragon figures moved pretty swiftly in my area

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:To be fair the G1 movie is more relevant and remembered then Beast Wars outside the fandom.

Unless you have numbers, this statement carries no weight beyond being your own personal viewpoint, and you've already admitted to being biased against Beast Wars.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Kids are going to want more G1 then Beast Wars.

I'm fairly sure Hasbro is expecting kids to be more interested in Rescue Bots or Robots in Disguise, and have said so during various presentations at SDCC, Botcon, and other events.

Hellscream9999 wrote:
So have you not noticed the generations line for the last decade is based on an older and even less relevant show

You mean the IDW comics right?


Because it's less G1 based and more IDW based which is based on G1.


regardless what I'm trying to say is that Generations have hardly anything to do with the G1 cartoon.


Regardless G1 was first usually the things that were first are more beloved and remembered just like Star Wars for example.

I don't understand the question of relevance. I just don't. It's a silly argument to have.



Because G1 & the '86 Movie are waaaaaaaaaay more relevant.

megatronus wrote:Because G1 & the '86 Movie are waaaaaaaaaay more relevant.

Only due to a vicious cycle in which they're reran and rehashed to justify their own dominance while everything else gets deliberately ignored so it won't get in the way of the 80's retreads. Even in the stuff meant to be separate from G1, we often get several characters designed as clear G1 retreads. They don't put Beast Wars back on TV, and they only reran Animated on the Hub briefly, but heaven forbid the G1 reruns stop flowing. The comics are all G1 comics starring mostly G1 characters, with a handful of IDW-continuity originals.

So if I seem bitter when I get told off for thinking Beast Wars has a place, maybe I have a reason to be.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

megatronus wrote:Because G1 & the '86 Movie are waaaaaaaaaay more relevant.

Only due to a vicious cycle in which they're reran and rehashed to justify their own dominance while everything else gets deliberately ignored so it won't get in the way of the 80's retreads. Even in the stuff meant to be separate from G1, we often get several characters designed as clear G1 retreads. They don't put Beast Wars back on TV, and they only reran Animated on the Hub briefly, but heaven forbid the G1 reruns stop flowing. The comics are all G1 comics starring mostly G1 characters, with a handful of IDW-continuity originals.

So if I seem bitter when I get told off for thinking Beast Wars has a place, maybe I have a reason to be.

What you would label a vicious cycle, others would label virtuous.

No one said Beast Wars doesn't have a place. It has a very prominent place - I love Beast Wars (and several other things that aren't G1 related). But when you get down to it, G1 is more iconic in nearly every way.

In other news, I wish this upcoming Platinum Set were cheaper. Maybe I'll just go ahead and re-buy Classics Hot Rod instead.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
To clarify things: the yellow one shown is actually PCC Mini-Con Pinpoint, the mold used by TakaraTomy to represent Firebolt.

Ah yeah the lil figure I found in a charity shop and then custommed into Firebolt (not just paint but I modified the figure to have proper barrels and such) not realising Takara had also assigned a version as Firebolt.


Held by Springer with q-tip 'fire bolts':


I've improved the paintwork since this pic was taken:


Held by my (still a work in progress) Rodimus custom:

megatronus wrote:
No one said Beast Wars doesn't have a place. It has a very prominent place - I love Beast Wars (and several other things that aren't G1 related). But when you get down to it, G1 is more iconic in nearly every way.

It sure doesn't feel prominent. I see it getting buried. There's already plenty of G1 every year. It's the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars. Is it wrong to want them to show it some love since it's a special occasion?

Well, yes, apparently so, but I don't get why it should be.

Anyhow, I've overstayed my welcome. Sorry. Leaving the thread.

This whole conversation just furthers the point I bring up every now and then: We wouldn't be as much in this G1 rut if the 2006 Classics never existed.

Sabrblade wrote:This whole conversation just furthers the point I bring up every now and then: We wouldn't be as much in this G1 rut if the 2006 Classics never existed.

It's a stupid thing to argue about.


Thier just toys and it's not like G1 is erasing Beast Wars.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:This whole conversation just furthers the point I bring up every now and then: We wouldn't be as much in this G1 rut if the 2006 Classics never existed.

It's a stupid thing to argue about.


Their just toys and it's not like G1 is erasing Beast Wars.

That's funny, because that's exactly how a lot of us feel

Sabrblade wrote:This whole conversation just furthers the point I bring up every now and then: We wouldn't be as much in this G1 rut if the 2006 Classics never existed.

This. Exactly this.

Hasbro isn't stupid, they know nostalgia sells. Just like in 2006/2007 when Hasbro was pushing Classics hard they knew their target audience were then in their mid 20s, likely out of college and had some disposable income to buy G1 based collectibles. In 2016 the same is true, the younger kids that were watching Beast Wars in the mid 90s are now in their mid 20s with some spending money and collecting things has really become popular making this the perfect time to push BW.

Let's face it, we don't really know what Hasbro has planned this year. Everyone says they're passing on BW and going for just the Movie anniversary, but so far we've only seen one release from each so who's to say exactly what is going on? Really the only things that have been announced for later in the year is a few Titans Return figures. It is much too premature to say they're absolutely doing nothing for Beast Wars this year beyond zodiac Primal. Let's wait until after BotCon before we can say anything for sure.

Going back to the box set, maybe it's just me but that loose Hot Rod looks like it has a metallic coating on just the hood and roof.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:This whole conversation just furthers the point I bring up every now and then: We wouldn't be as much in this G1 rut if the 2006 Classics never existed.

This. Exactly this.

Hasbro isn't stupid, they know nostalgia sells. Just like in 2006/2007 when Hasbro was pushing Classics hard they knew their target audience were then in their mid 20s, likely out of college and had some disposable income to buy G1 based collectibles. In 2016 the same is true, the younger kids that were watching Beast Wars in the mid 90s are now in their mid 20s with some spending money and collecting things has really become popular making this the perfect time to push BW.

Let's face it, we don't really know what Hasbro has planned this year. Everyone says they're passing on BW and going for just the Movie anniversary, but so far we've only seen one release from each so who's to say exactly what is going on? Really the only things that have been announced for later in the year is a few Titans Return figures. It is much too premature to say they're absolutely doing nothing for Beast Wars this year beyond zodiac Primal. Let's wait until after BotCon before we can say anything for sure.

Going back to the box set, maybe it's just me but that loose Hot Rod looks like it has a metallic coating on just the hood and roof.

Emerje

well since your post...they've obviously done the Dawn Of Predacus figure.

Stuartmaximus wrote:
well since your post...they've obviously done the Dawn Of Predacus figure.

No, thats Fun Pub, and only available at botcon or if you are a member of the TF Club. You wont find it in stores, and plus we knew of this figure for months.

Hasbro did say in an interview that they would honour the BW anniversary through the platinum line and with the help of Fun Pub. Both of these statements have come to fruition. While I would want more than that, I am ok with Takara handling the 20th anniversary instead. Afterall, Hasbro gave us a way better BW 10th anniversary than it did the 20th anniversary of G1. And for the 30th anviersary of G1, they gave us 3 geat Beast Wars toys. So Beast Wars is always honoured here and there.

It's like Valentine's day. Why make that the only day of the year to be sweet to your oved one when you can show appreciation all throughout the year? Hasbro has been good to Beast Wars before, honouring it here and there with no need of an aniversary ad I like it even better that way.

I look forward to having more Junkions. Surprised they haven't milked this mold even moreso than they have. Isn't this the first non-TFCC US release of the Scrapheap head mold?

ScottyP wrote:I look forward to having more Junkions. Surprised they haven't milked this mold even moreso than they have. Isn't this the first non-TFCC US release of the Scrapheap head mold?

Yup, making this the first full on Hasbro release.

william-james88 wrote:Afterall, Hasbro gave us a way better BW 10th anniversary than it did the 20th anniversary of G1.

But the 2004 was chock full of stuff that honored G1 from Hasbro: Hasbro's release of MP-1 Convoy, the Commemorative Series G1 reissue line, the Alternators line, and several awesome G1-inspired toys in the Energon line (among some inferior Energon toys, but those were far and few compared to the good ones). About the only thing Hasbro had going in 2004 that didn't celebrate the anniversary was the first Universe line and the Playskool Go-Bots line.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Afterall, Hasbro gave us a way better BW 10th anniversary than it did the 20th anniversary of G1.

But the 2004 was chock full of stuff that honored G1 from Hasbro: Hasbro's release of MP-1 Convoy, the Commemorative Series G1 reissue line, the Alternators line, and several awesome G1-inspired toys in the Energon line (among some inferior Energon toys, but those were far and few compared to the good ones). About the only thing Hasbro had going in 2004 that didn't celebrate the anniversary was the first Universe line and the Playskool Go-Bots line.

But it wasnt an outright anniversary. The energon line didnt have stickers highlighting the anniversary, for example. It was just a show line.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Afterall, Hasbro gave us a way better BW 10th anniversary than it did the 20th anniversary of G1.

But the 2004 was chock full of stuff that honored G1 from Hasbro: Hasbro's release of MP-1 Convoy, the Commemorative Series G1 reissue line, the Alternators line, and several awesome G1-inspired toys in the Energon line (among some inferior Energon toys, but those were far and few compared to the good ones). About the only thing Hasbro had going in 2004 that didn't celebrate the anniversary was the first Universe line and the Playskool Go-Bots line.

But it wasnt an outright anniversary. The energon line didnt have stickers highlighting the anniversary, for example. It was just a show line.

It was an anniversary in spirit. Why else would the Energon line contain so many specifically-G1 homages within itself when this was an age where Hasbro didn't pay homage to G1 in any of its main lines?