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bloodyfeast wrote:1. I'm pretty sure the classics did die. A lot of classics had to be clearanced off and the interest was very slow building. It was the movie that gave these toys a new lease of life, and brought a lot of people back to the Transformers world.
bloodyfeast wrote:2. The botcon 'Games of Deception' set wasn't really a classics release. It was a straight G1 version of the unreleased (classics) seekers using classics molds, with the exception of Thrust which had a different mold for the wings.
bloodyfeast wrote:6. It would be a service to the entire fandom for Henkei to release a decent Dirge, with an acceptable wing mold.
bloodyfeast wrote:7. With the release of Ramjet it is (in my opinion) obvious that Henkei are planning on releasing all 6 seekers.
Sledge wrote:What exactly are you arguing with? Hasbro regarded the line as dead. They had no intention of returning to it at the time the deal with Funpub was made. You may think that's stupid, but... who cares? They obviously had their reasons, and just as obviously, those reasons changed.
necare wrote:Unreal all the crying and whining from both ends of this subject.
I think it's ok to be angry with Hasbro for making these figures Botcon exclusives. But let's face it, if you bought one of those figures STOP BITCHING!!!
Honestly, the only people that are upset are collectors that look at the value of the product. But the value means nothing until it's sold, so in essence the only people that should be upset are scalpers or those that paid scalpers prices! NO SYMPATHY!!!
If you bought the figures from Botcon directly, you didn't pay 250 for a TC, you paid, what $50 or $75 if you value the TC more than say Dreadwind which it should be.
So the price of 250 comes from, yes supply and demand, but it's the market that supports the scalpers. You buy a figure and then within the year sell it for 3 times the amount. And now that another company is taking advantage of a popular mold and you cannot get your scalped prices you are bitter!
The Figures of Botcon ARE retaining their ORIGINAL value, not the SCALPED value! SO FU SCALPERS!! And for the fools paying for the scalped prices....patience is a vurtue!
Now I paid for a Botcon Thrust about $100. If Henkei comes out with one I am not going to whine and cry like a little girl. I bought my figure to have, not to resell at some future point. I just wanted the figure without any care that it is a ONE OF A KIND or EXCLUSIVE!!!
Elitists HA HA!! Scalpers GO HOME!!!
YAY FOR TAKARA AND HASBRO for creating such a great topic to bitch about!
necare wrote:nope,not silly at all, unless you infer incorrectly the point.
I never said all Botcon purchasers are scalpers, I never said anyone paying scalper prices were scalpers.
Those that have sold the items at scalped prices ARE scalpers. People that bought 2 or 3 or 4 of the same figures to be sold at a later date are scalpers.
Why would someone really be upset if they purchased a Botcon set. They are either elitist (meaning wanting something that no one else has), or they are scalpers (meaning they expect they can sell said item at a massive mark up as was the case on ebay) in both cases I think these people are scum bags.
Those that collect these figures for display shouldn't care if the price goes up a lot or a little if they are never going to sell!.
You both Sirs, are the silly ones.
necare wrote:nope,not silly at all, unless you infer incorrectly the point.
I never said all Botcon purchasers are scalpers, I never said anyone paying scalper prices were scalpers.
Those that have sold the items at scalped prices ARE scalpers. People that bought 2 or 3 or 4 of the same figures to be sold at a later date are scalpers.
Why would someone really be upset if they purchased a Botcon set. They are either elitist (meaning wanting something that no one else has), or they are scalpers (meaning they expect they can sell said item at a massive mark up as was the case on ebay) in both cases I think these people are scum bags.
Those that collect these figures for display shouldn't care if the price goes up a lot or a little if they are never going to sell!.
You both Sirs, are the silly ones.
necare wrote:nope,not silly at all, unless you infer incorrectly the point.
I never said all Botcon purchasers are scalpers, I never said anyone paying scalper prices were scalpers.
Those that have sold the items at scalped prices ARE scalpers. People that bought 2 or 3 or 4 of the same figures to be sold at a later date are scalpers.
Why would someone really be upset if they purchased a Botcon set. They are either elitist (meaning wanting something that no one else has), or they are scalpers (meaning they expect they can sell said item at a massive mark up as was the case on ebay) in both cases I think these people are scum bags.
Those that collect these figures for display shouldn't care if the price goes up a lot or a little if they are never going to sell!.
You both Sirs, are the silly ones.
GetterDragun wrote:What about buying an Exclusive? These wre supposed to be Exclusive and they are not. So what about the person who spent the money just to go to BotCon just to get Exclusives and now they could have gotten it outside the convention for a lot less (less because you could not buy a Thundercracker without getting all the figures)? That is not elitist.
necare wrote:Assinine comments.
bloodyfeast wrote:GetterDragun wrote:What about buying an Exclusive? These wre supposed to be Exclusive and they are not. So what about the person who spent the money just to go to BotCon just to get Exclusives and now they could have gotten it outside the convention for a lot less (less because you could not buy a Thundercracker without getting all the figures)? That is not elitist.
Mmmm
* The boxset is still 'exclusive' no-one else has released a "Games of Deception" boxset.
* There has never been a 'classics' release of thundercracker, dirge, thrust, dreadwing or goldbug. The closest thing to this is the 'games of deception' boxset. It is totally exclusive.
The main problem is that funpub didn't stick with the theme. They decided for whatever reason to release G1 repaints of classics molds. It is this over the top G1 blinkered mentality that is to blame for this whole mess.
-GoD thundercracker is a G1 repaint of classics starscream... no real thought just G1 all the way. It should have been a classics update but it wasn't
-GoD dirge was a bad colour scheme on a the wrong toy. The only imagination involved is the imagination it takes to not call this one 'blue ramjet'.
-GoD thrust was good. But it was too G1 to be considered a 'classic'... again no real thought went into it.
* The henkei Thundercracker is based on the henkei range of classics repaints. It fits with the range and is suitably esclusive to the japanese market.
Was there a disclaimer on the box or any of the botcon sites that stated that the names (thundercracker, dirge, thrust, dreadwing, goldbug) would be retired from any toy that resembled the classics range?
bloodyfeast wrote:my point is that instead of designing a new 'classics' thundercracker they simply put a G1 acurate design on the mold.
GetterDragun wrote:Since when were Starscream, Thundercracker, or Skywarp supposed to b different molds?
necare wrote:Wait so you are saying that people that went to Botcon and paid money to make the trip and buy the entire box set thinking that it was exclusive have a right to cry and whine?
Wouldn't those people have had just as much luck finding TC sold seperately on EBAY?
I'm not blaming scalpers and people that pay scalped prices, I am simply saying that those people should stop crying and whining about the new Henkei TC simply because they were taking advantage of or letting themselves GET taken advantage of the exploded market price of the figure.
I'm not a fan of scalpers, I also don't believe that people who went to Botcon are scalpers. I am simply saying that if you paid $200+ for your TC you have no one to blame but yourself, not Hasbro, and certainly not Takara.
I understand your frustration, but hey if a Thrust comes out at $50 and I already paid $100 for mine, I'm not going to sit and whine. I paid the prices and that's because I wanted the figures.
And no, I don't think that someone that resells something they have owned and liked and used and makes a profit because it's either rare or simply popular, however I do think that those that buy two or three sets of something, one for themselves and one to resell are in fact not collecting it, but HOPING to scalp it.
True scalping is selling something that is currently available for a higher price, so I should adjust the term from scalper to a less sleazy but still a bit shady term. (Any thoughts on what this should be called?)
GetterDragun wrote:No, the boxset is now less exclusive.
GetterDragun wrote: And slight variations between the Japanese figures and US figures is normal, but no one ever said beefore that they were different toys, why now?
MagnusPrimal wrote:GetterDragun wrote:No, the boxset is now less exclusive.
How so? The character is no longer exclusive, but the figure, with unique paint apps on that mold, is.GetterDragun wrote: And slight variations between the Japanese figures and US figures is normal, but no one ever said beefore that they were different toys, why now?
I thought they were always treated as different toys. Isn't that where a lot of the 'Takara rocks, Hasbro sucks!' comes from? Sure, same characters, but the figures are painted different, as you pointed out.
I just can't see how the Botcon one can be considered no longer exclusive. What about the figures from this year's set? For instance, Optimus Prime and Grimlock are both exlusive figures to the set, but only their paint jobs (which granted, are much more different than the retail ones than the two TCs are to each other) differentiate the figures. Are they less exclusive because of it?
GetterDragun wrote:What about buying an Exclusive? These wre supposed to be Exclusive and they are not. So what about the person who spent the money just to go to BotCon just to get Exclusives and now they could have gotten it outside the convention for a lot less (less because you could not buy a Thundercracker without getting all the figures)? That is not elitist. I personally think people calling someone who bought a BotCon set is simply jealous.
Omega Sentinel wrote:Man that's the truth. I hate that OS guy.
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