Va'al wrote:Daniel Adkins wrote:What is the actual decline in quality you guys keep referencing? Because I've yet to see anyone in this thread make a complaint about an actual Transformers book that doesn't boil down to just "things that aren't robots are dumb."
I find Optimus Prime to be as enjoyable as RID ever was. TAAO was a fantastic series that I wish more people had bought so that it could continue to happen. Lost Light sadly continues the spiral downward from MTMTE, but that began back in MTMTE Season 2. But, I still find it okay and am willing to pick it up and hope Roberts can recover. Revolutionaries has been a fun ride from beginning to end that delves into the deepest lore in this universe and revisits concepts that I never expected to see again. ROM Vs. Transformers is incredible and I dare say will be remembered as one of the definitive stand-alone Transformers stories, right up there with LSOTW.
So please, tell me. What am I missing here?
You mention the decline in story from MTMTE and Lost Light, and some people are definitely referring to that. It being 'okay' after a long run of it being 'very good' has definitely put people off. (It's frustrating on both sides of the argument, I know.)
Optimus Prime is probably - to me at least - better than xRID, maybe on par with the initial arcs (was not a fan of Megatron's return). Agreed on TAAO.
Rom vs Transformers has had two issues so far, so I'm reserving judgement, but the second has not lived up to the first for the readers on staff, effectively just restating what the first issue had set down, and sending Stardrive to background character status after one issue. That may pick up again in issue 3, but so far it's just a bit ..whelming, after the promise of the start.
Revolutionaries had ups and downs, with some highlights, and was completely truncated by the entire end-plot revealed in the solicits and scheduling issues. Editorial control on the books is slipping a little, as they try resettling the whole team, and in my opinion, Transformers do not have the support or numbers that IDW thinks they have to be able to hold up every new franchise being introduced into the universe.
As someone suggested above, why not have Rom vs Visionaries instead? Or even Micronauts, which is a much better series in terms of visibility of its writer, and Karza being at the centre of at least three events now? Rom is being set up as a very enjoyable series overall (though someone needs to edit Ryall much better, and forget he's the boss at IDW when doing so), the Rom vs TF series is already providing the hook - just split it off from there, instead of using the 'remnants of TAAO' to do the groundwork.
I'm not as negative as other commenters on this issue, but I agree with the disgruntlement that some have about some of the quality in the output. My biggest issue, I'll admit, is the lack of proper scheduling, the amount of influe--- interference from Hasbro corporate, and the editorial dwindlings. The books are collateral damage of those three elements.
Daniel Adkins wrote:If Lost Light WAS drawn into the crossovers, that'd just result in even MORE complaints from that subsection of fans that only read MTMTE/LL and don't care about anything else. It also doesn't help that Roberts is clearly uninterested in having anything to do with the wider universe (both the wider Hasbro Universe and the other TF comics.)
Va'al wrote:Daniel Adkins wrote:If Lost Light WAS drawn into the crossovers, that'd just result in even MORE complaints from that subsection of fans that only read MTMTE/LL and don't care about anything else. It also doesn't help that Roberts is clearly uninterested in having anything to do with the wider universe (both the wider Hasbro Universe and the other TF comics.)
Which is why I'd love for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the rest of the bloody program.
As well as an editor who tells him to cut the words.
But getting back to Visionaries - I really like Visaggio, and I can warm up to Ossio if he does justice to the non-organic characters (so far been a bit wobbly on that part), so I'll definitely give this series a try!
Daniel Adkins wrote:Va'al wrote:Daniel Adkins wrote:If Lost Light WAS drawn into the crossovers, that'd just result in even MORE complaints from that subsection of fans that only read MTMTE/LL and don't care about anything else. It also doesn't help that Roberts is clearly uninterested in having anything to do with the wider universe (both the wider Hasbro Universe and the other TF comics.)
Which is why I'd love for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the rest of the bloody program.
As well as an editor who tells him to cut the words.
But getting back to Visionaries - I really like Visaggio, and I can warm up to Ossio if he does justice to the non-organic characters (so far been a bit wobbly on that part), so I'll definitely give this series a try!
See, if there was a "dip" in quality, I think it was more when John Barber stepped down as editor, not when the crossovers happened.
What she said.Kurona wrote:We could also stop with the constant crossovers and let every book in the Hasbroverse continue unimpeded for a good while and hence letting them develop their own great stories and characters without needing to shove in pointless crossovers; that'd be cool too...
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:As for Visionaries, I like the idea of them starting a crossover with a different franchise. Why couldn't they? ROM appears to be the most successful of the non-TF guys, so they could do something there.
ScottyP wrote:I want the Rom book to have more plot, actually. The Annual and recent back-up stories have really enriched a kinda safe/by the numbers Earth story - which made sense for the Earthfall arc, to be fair!
We're in agreement, actually! I'd also be ok with more depth to the existing plotDaniel Adkins wrote:MORE plot? When the plot threads we already have (Darby and Camilla in particular) barely get enough time to actually develop?
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