A big impressive number is still a big impressive number.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I mean, it's not like the G1 cartoon didn't already get ninety-doggone-eight episodes to begin with.
But as you so famously point out, Rescue Bots got 104
And seeing as how it took nearly thirty years for another TF show to even match, let alone top, that number...
Except that, unlike G2's reruns, the "Season 5" reruns included brand new narrative content (however little it was) at the beginning and end of each episode that carried on after the fourth season.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Plus a full bonus season of "best of" episodes.
All re-runs, so those don't count, you might as well throw in G2 if that's the point you are trying to make
And that's their fault.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Plus THREE additional full-length sequel series from Japan.
You know of anyone here, how much I really enjoy the Japanese shows. For *ME*, I truly do see them as seasons 5-7 of the original show, especially since I've known about them all along, it wasn't something I just discovered much later (Thanks to a Japanese exchange student in my class in 1988). But most fans don't see it that way, they simply see them as this quirky little *other* thing that mostly gets ignored.
Gundam has simply been treated with more seriousness and respect over in Japan than Transformers has been, in Japan or elsewhere. Only with the first live action movie did mainstream audiences anywhere finally begin to look at Transformers on a more serious level, but then the sequels had to go and muck up any respect that the first movie had garnered for the brand. Gundam, in Japan at least, didn't have that problem.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Man, some G1 cartoon fans really have no idea how spoiled they've been by the stuff that's already been made for them.
I'll go back and make the same comparison I've made Ad nauseam. In japan the Mobile Suit Gundam Frnchise had a tight singular continuity spanning several series and movies until 1994. Mobile Fighter G Gundam was the first departure from this, and established a multi-universal Gundam continuity. From this point on, several new continuities were established, but the original "UC" (Universal Century) timeline is still returned to every so often, and those series/films are highly acclaimed.
RiD did that, not Car Robots. Car Robots alluded to stuff from both JG1 and JBW. Armada/Micron Densetsu was Japan's first openly new continuity restart.o.supreme wrote:With Transformers its a bit different, but if you include BW & BM (and BWII/Neo in Japan), which were later folded to be in each countries respective original continuity, things all existed in the same universe until 2000. Car Robots (RiD), was the first departure from this, and established, in TF animation, a multi-universal Transformers continuity.
Fun Pub did (in a way that they were allowed to) with the Wings Universe material. The BotCon 2010 story Generation 2: Redux even began with a recapping of events that transpired shortly after The Rebirth leading up to the story's present day events.o.supreme wrote:Now since then, many other continuities have been established, but not ONCE has an attempt been made to return to the original series timeline, which was left open ended (Like the UC Gundam timeline).
Honestly, the way The Rebirth ended as is was pretty standard for how most 80s cartoons that got legit finales ended. The bad guys pull off one final grand scheme to end it all for good, the good guys overcome the impossible odds before them to stop this doomsday, a great celebratory victory is had for the good guys with a new age of peace coming about, and all the bad guys who were beaten are sent into retreat to never be heard from again even if they spout their usual rhetoric of swearing revenge.o.supreme wrote:Most other TF continuities have had full resolution, which is why the desire to return to the original burns so strong in me. Not IDW, nor Machinima's cut-rate series even come close. The closest things we've had was the Devastation Video game (which was brilliant). I'm not saying we need to return to it always and forever, but just something, anything. It works well in Japan. Kids who weren't even alive 30-40 years ago don't lament when a new chapter in the UC series is added. Nor should anyone frown on a return to the original TF continuity. There will always be plenty of new adventures (The Movie Franchise, comics, Cyberverse etc...) to captivate and reel in new interest. All I'm saying is, throw us life-long fans an appreciative (in the form of animation specifically, not talking toys or comics) bone somewhere.
We even got the bonus continuity callback to "War Dawn" in the new Golden Age, which also bookended the show with how drained in resources the planet was back in the very first episode, by its resources finally being restored after countless millennia of warfare.
In many ways, it's also very much like how Challenge of the GoBots's intended series finale "Mission: GoBotron" (which aired way out of order) played out: The series-long reconstruction of the planet is finally at hand, the Renegades do everything in their power to stop the reconstruction efforts, much harm is caused by these acts of sabotage, seeds of dissension and disillusionment are sown among the Guardians' ranks (not a parallel to The Rebirth, just pointing out to further illustrate the stakes in this ep), one final all-out assault is launched as the two factions have their last decisive stand-off for control of the planet, and in the end, the Guardians overcome the Renegades and the reconstruct is at last fully underway, with tattered remains of the enemy fleet sent to retreat into space, never to be heard from again despite Cy-Kill vowing to return (though, the Battle of the Rock Lords movie then comes along and ruins this finality, but it's self-contained enough that it doesn't demand a further continuation).
Heh, with as much ease as they killed three combiners, maybe Overlord and Rodimus Cron killed him too offscreen.o.supreme wrote:Now the actual reason why I came here this morning . I tortured myself yesterday and went back and watched the last episode of TR to make sure I wasn't missing something. So....Where's Fort Max? He was alive and well, and we all know how much machinima wants to get full use out of it's characters. Heck I'm surprised they didn't resurrect Metroplex & Trypticon for no good reason at the end of TR. IRL I know Michael Dorn is not attached to this project, so Fort Max will most likely not be in it (unless his voice was recast?), but...you would think an active Titan could be pretty useful against any threat that's not a Prime.
You do know that Japan released The Headmasters before America released The Rebirth, right? Japan's show came first.Ultra Markus wrote:yeah the 3 Japanese series were fun and cool but it deviated from the American side of the story like an alternate earth like how SG is from another alternate earth