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Redimus' Ego +1 wrote:

-Soundwave- wrote:Offical Tournament = Bulletin.

Player sponcered mini game = no Bulletin.

What is so hard about that?

Thats pretty much what my next point was gonna be.

Unless Glyph decides to post something about it.

What funny about all this, is Lucky just doesn't get it. the AWC site isn't the HMW fourm. If he wants HMW info he needs to read things here instead of using his worn out 'internet crayon' to complain that a smaller sub-community doesn't have all the info for the game that its based around. He needs a leg to stand on to have his arguement, and he doesn't. The AWC site isn't going to have all the info about HMW. For him to believe that it is, simply put, is laughable.

LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:Scavenger Hunt: Didn't know. No Bulletin (Found out from AWC site.)

Scavenger Hunt - Two threads in this forum: One, which hasn't left the first page in the last week (hell, it rarely got so far down as to need to scroll to find it), giving all of the rules and info. The second, for scoring, stickied at the top of the forum for the duration of the hunt.

EDIT - Was going to add something else, but thought better of it. "Do Not Feed Troll" and such.

Burn wrote:

Redimus' Ego +1 wrote:

-Soundwave- wrote:Offical Tournament = Bulletin.

Player sponcered mini game = no Bulletin.

What is so hard about that?

Thats pretty much what my next point was gonna be.

Unless Glyph decides to post something about it.

Which of course leads us back to the 'he has other problems right now' thing...

Redimus wrote:

Burn wrote:

Redimus' Ego +1 wrote:

-Soundwave- wrote:Offical Tournament = Bulletin.

Player sponcered mini game = no Bulletin.

What is so hard about that?

Thats pretty much what my next point was gonna be.

Unless Glyph decides to post something about it.

Which of course leads us back to the 'he has other problems right now' thing...

And possiblities of things the Support staff or Mods could do.

Which brings us back to the age old issue of "why is the game dependant on one person?"

Burn wrote:Which brings us back to the age old issue of "why is the game dependant on one person?"

Seib's call.

Burn wrote:Which brings us back to the age old issue of "why is the game dependant on one person?"

Depends what you mean, if you mean the mod side of it, I totally agree with you, if anything, it *shouldnt* be glyph's job to deal with the mod aspects of his job, there should be an engineer and a front man, not someone who's both.
If you mean why is there only one man actully working on the game it's self, probably cuase he's the only person both willing and qualified to work on it. Id much rather depend on one person, then have a few, some of whome arnt really qulified, or arnt willing to put the hours in.

Redimus wrote:

Burn wrote:Which brings us back to the age old issue of "why is the game dependant on one person?"

Depends what you mean, if you mean the mod side of it, I totally agree with you, if anything, it *shouldnt* be glyph's job to deal with the mod aspects of his job, there should be an engineer and a front man, not someone who's both.
If you mean why is there only one man actully working on the game it's self, probably cuase he's the only person both willing and qualified to work on it. Id much rather depend on one person, then have a few, some of whome arnt really qulified, or arnt willing to put the hours in.

Quoted for truth, on all respects. Ideally we need one to deal with internal affairs (upgrading and maintaining game mechanics) and one to deal with external affairs (public relations, tourny organization, news updating). And there are a lot of people here qualified to do the latter.

Though I might add that it would be nice if Glyph had a Robin to his Batman - someone he could train to do the dozens of menial grunt level maintenance tasks like restocking things (if that were to be done at all), keeping the alt-rotator going, changing factions of players once and a while, cleaning out old files, and attempting minor repairs when/if the game crashes or the unknowns show up for a simple reason but Glyph isn't immediately handy to get it back on track.

But if that one man is incapacitated for any reason the game stagnates.

Why shouldn't the Mods have the ability to post news on the HMW front page? Has anybody thought to even ask Siebs to deligate some responsibility? Is he to busy running the site to... run the site?

What is the point of having a "Support Staff" when they can't support anything? Or is there even anything to support?

Why only post "Official" Tourneys on the front page. Those happen about as often as Spanky has anything nice to say. The unofficial stuff happens much more often and is usually better run these days. Are these only ment to cater to a small minority group? Isn't the purpose of any tourney (official or unofficial) to increase participation, attract new players, and help the community grow?

It seems that most of you that are in opposition to me are only interested in maintaining the Status Quo.

What? No seriously... what?

There is no rule that says 'unoffcial tournies should not be announced.

But, they are (wait for it) UNOFFCIAL! As in NOT offcial, and as such, the higher ups may not actully know much about it, becuase it is orginised by the players o nthe ground, not them.

And in the past, there have been announcments about unoffcial games (psychout's alt hunts for instence).

Please, please, please dont confuse out distain for you with a wish for the status quo....

LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:But if that one man is incapacitated for any reason the game stagnates.

Why shouldn't the Mods have the ability to post news on the HMW front page? Has anybody thought to even ask Siebs to deligate some responsibility? Is he to busy running the site to... run the site?

What is the point of having a "Support Staff" when they can't support anything? Or is there even anything to support?

Why only post "Official" Tourneys on the front page. Those happen about as often as Spanky has anything nice to say. The unofficial stuff happens much more often and is usually better run these days. Are these only ment to cater to a small minority group? Isn't the purpose of any tourney (official or unofficial) to increase participation, attract new players, and help the community grow?

It seems that most of you that are in opposition to me are only interested in maintaining the Status Quo.

You know there's so much I could say... but you're just not worth it. *yawn*

EDIT: If you want to be taken remotely serious drop the Spanky crap. Only shows how childish you are.

Redimus wrote:There is no rule that says 'unoffcial tournies should not be announced.



And in the past, there have been announcments about unoffcial games (psychout's alt hunts for instence).

It may not be a rule as such but we were once told that Bulletins are meant for "official" use only. ie, matters of importance.

Psychout's alt hunt was announced as Glyph "hijacked" the hunt to test his score tally doohickey so in a way it became "official".

Now what I mean in regards to having to rely on one person for things, I do feel there are jobs that others, (and i'm referring to regular players) could take on, like the posting of bulletins, refreshing mission texts, little things like that which won't impact on the actual core game programming.

Let the Mods do their jobs, let Glyph do his, and let a couple of players to do little background jobs.

That was the intention of the "Support Staff" idea, however nothing's been implemented as Glyph was waiting on Ryan to code it all up, and as far as I know that's on the schedule behind the forums re-write.

So once again it's back to the ol "be patient, good things come to those who wait" scenario. And I think it's safe to say that about 95% of HMW members can wait, it's just the other 5% who don't know when to shut up and be patient ...

Burn wrote:

Redimus wrote:There is no rule that says 'unoffcial tournies should not be announced.



And in the past, there have been announcments about unoffcial games (psychout's alt hunts for instence).

It may not be a rule as such but we were once told that Bulletins are meant for "official" use only. ie, matters of importance.

Psychout's alt hunt was announced as Glyph "hijacked" the hunt to test his score tally doohickey so in a way it became "official".

Now what I mean in regards to having to rely on one person for things, I do feel there are jobs that others, (and i'm referring to regular players) could take on, like the posting of bulletins, refreshing mission texts, little things like that which won't impact on the actual core game programming.

Let the Mods do their jobs, let Glyph do his, and let a couple of players to do little background jobs.

That was the intention of the "Support Staff" idea, however nothing's been implemented as Glyph was waiting on Ryan to code it all up, and as far as I know that's on the schedule behind the forums re-write.

So once again it's back to the ol "be patient, good things come to those who wait" scenario. And I think it's safe to say that about 95% of HMW members can wait, it's just the other 5% who don't know when to shut up and be patient ...

I didnt realise that.

Well now I know, and knowing is half the battle!

I also remember there being a big who-ha when the last AWCvsRDD tournament was supported (put on the bulletin, given a score sheet, stickied threads, etc.) by the staff, with certain players pitching a fit because a fight between two 'unofficial minority groups' was being promoted by the official bulletin...

I imagine that post-tournament flame war has probably made some of the higher ups skittish about posting announcements about or giving any degree of recognition to unofficial tournaments.

The proliferation of alt-hunts and their actually getting stickied threads probably represents the first tiny rebounding steps from that miasma.

No real point to make there, just thought it wise to remind others of past versions of this same argument before we go into dramatic reenactment mode.

And I stand by my statement that any tournaments/hunts etc posted on the bulletin board should be for anyone who wants to participate, and for the majority of the playing community.

I seem to recall certain members of those "minority groups" telling non-members to not join the missions or to wait until the adequate number of members had joined the mission as well.

So why post a bulletin about it if non-members were told to not play or hold off on joining missions? Why would the notice be necessary when those groups had their own forums where the contest could have been promoted there?

Not much of a point to make really, just find it funny how people harp on about past issues and still fail to understand the problems people had.

Nice to know I can still make Spanky Cranky.

So basically... I'm right. You just can't swallow your collective prides enough to admit it. I mean, every point that I made was regurgitated by each one of you along with petty insults and jabs. So everything I said... was the truth. There's just nothing that can be done about it.

Thanks. That's all I needed to know.

The 5% is based on Glyph's own words. How dare you people disagree with Glyph!!! You could end up... enlightend.

Have a nice day.

ANd that is why we have not done any AWC v RDD Tourneys anymore. It excluded people. We learned.

Now we just track the numbers for AWC members that participate in any Tourny/Alt Hunt/What ever. It would just be nice that any tourny/alt hunt/whatever were posted on the bulleting board to attract new members and help the community grow.

And if anything were going on with Glyph, say an extended absence, would be posted as well. That way, if information is needed we know to wait to ask.

Which is basically what I've said throughout this thread. And each of you has repeated.

All of us yelling at opposite sides of the same brick wall.

Hold on. I'v had other things on my mind. Who's this Seib mod that passed away?

TFMaster Flashwave, check the home page.


And the reason the hasn't been any AWC vs RDD tourneys is since I stepped down as leader of the RDD no one has gotten off their duffs to throw down the gauntlet. C'mon Tammy, stop the Dr. Who marathons and get going already.

Again I remind people that the resurgance was my doing as I felt the AWC/RDD rivalry had stagnated since The Evil Tourney that we dare not speak it's name. The only reason it wound up here was those blasted Autobots (I'm looking at you Evolution Prime ). They were NEVER meant to be onsite in the first place.

Dynamax wrote:And the reason the hasn't been any AWC vs RDD tourneys is since I stepped down as leader of the RDD no one has gotten off their duffs to throw down the gauntlet.

Exactly... once again Lucky talking utter rubbish. We had a pretty successful RDD vs AWC tournie sometime during the second half of last year, surely you would have read about that on the AWC forum Lucky?

Sadly I'd say we wont get another AWC vs RDD until we have a unified Con facton, be it the RDD or the DSA...

Id never expect an AWC vs RDD tournie to be advertised on seibs, nor would I expect others to be told to avoid certain missions. It's nothing about minorities or elitismn, it's about two subfactions duking it out against each other. Mean while those who chose not to join either of the subfactions can enjoy HMW as much as they'd like to.

Burn wrote:And I stand by my statement that any tournaments/hunts etc posted on the bulletin board should be for anyone who wants to participate, and for the majority of the playing community.

I seem to recall certain members of those "minority groups" telling non-members to not join the missions or to wait until the adequate number of members had joined the mission as well.

So why post a bulletin about it if non-members were told to not play or hold off on joining missions? Why would the notice be necessary when those groups had their own forums where the contest could have been promoted there?

Not much of a point to make really, just find it funny how people harp on about past issues and still fail to understand the problems people had.

A) I remember you complaining about people telling others not to join missions at the time. I don't care. I didn't do it, and didn't even hear any such thing until you brought it up.

That wasn't some part of the tournament's policy, that was something that happened on the side, so I don't see how the uncontrollable actions of some individuals should be cause for condemning an otherwise well run, enjoyable, tournament.

You are right, having a bulletin on the main page was unnecessary, although I think I'd go with redundant, but it really wasn't harmful either.

And you are right, as it was set up, the tournament did only involve the few that had elected to join one of those minority groups, but it didn't prohibit others from fighting in missions as normal.

Ultimately, the tournament benefited a few, but harmed no one. If you actually allowed yourself to be harassed out of missions by some jack@$$ (which I doubt you did), that's your own fault.

B) Effectively, you're complaining that people that didn't volunteer to participate in the tournament (by joining one of the factions as little as a day before it started) didn't get to participate in the tournament.

Got personal/ethical issues with some of the RDD or AWC members or the existence of the groups themselves? Again, that's your problem. An aetheist probably shouldn't expect to get Christmas presents.

C) On the flip side of the coin, I can understand your irritation - I don't like that Seibertron posts News items about the OTFCC. I run to go check a news item and then see - whoops, this item isn't for you because your not a super exclusive club member. But I don't rail against the practice, because while I have an emotional reason to, I have no logical reason to.

And of course, all this is from the AWC/Autobot perspective. If all the bad/unethical stuff was happening on the Decepticon/RDD side... Well, I don't think you should be shocked. Kind of hypocritical to be a Decepticon and champion fairplay anyway...

I hope you understand Burn, I'm not attacking you, just arguing with you. When it comes right down to it, I pretty much think that the source of conflict is that you give the AWC/RDD too much credit when it comes to being able to muck HMW up. The AWC at least tends to be pretty dormant unless all of Seibertron crashes, in which case it becomes a Seibertron-withdrawl support group.





And on a side note, has anyone else noticed that when you hear an annoying sound long enough you just start to ignore it? Don't know why this thread made me think of that...

Look at it this way.

AWC/RDD/whateverothertag ... they can have their little tournaments, no one's objected to it.

The point of the last AWC/RDD tournament was for both factions to go against each other in all out war.

Fair enough.

Should it be posted as an official bulletin? Nope. Because it's only for a handful of people. If that's the case then i'd like my feud with Whisper posted as an official bulletin as well.

Now Lucky, you're harping on with the same crap. Yes, you want the bulletins updated. So answer me this question.

Do you realise that only one or two people are capable of doing that?

You sit there saying "update bulletins". I've yet to see you acknowledge that it's something only one or two people can do. Getting the point yet?

I pm'ed Cyber Bishop and he's going to look into whether he can update the bulletins or not. But considering Maximus Prime lost his access to the bulletins during a site update a few months ago I highly doubt he can do it, which means only Glyph and more than likely Ryan can do it.

So tell me Lucky, how are the bulletins going to be updated? Do you have a solution for that? Oh wait, does it involve asking Ryan to drop what else he's doing just to appease you? Because THAT is how you're sounding and THAT is why people are getting pissed off with you. And if you can understand that, then do what you said you were going to do a few months ago, piss off back to your AWC hidey hole and don't come back. The forums are a much better place without your negative criticism of how things are run.

Burn wrote:Look at it this way.

AWC/RDD/whateverothertag ... they can have their little tournaments, no one's objected to it.

The point of the last AWC/RDD tournament was for both factions to go against each other in all out war.

Fair enough.

Should it be posted as an official bulletin? Nope. Because it's only for a handful of people.

Which really makes it no different than any other unofficial tournament or alt hunt you have to sign up for before it starts.

But again, I return to my point that having it bulletined, though redundant, was not harmful.[/quote]

If that's the case then i'd like my feud with Whisper posted as an official bulletin as well.

Okay, maybe we could have a 'request bulletin' function if we ever get the rest of this straightened out... that could be no end of entertaining... although people would probably start making accusations of spamming.

But will other players be able to join sides in the Burn vs Whisper feud and participate like they can with the AWC vs RDD feud?

Caelus wrote:But will other players be able to join sides in the Burn vs Whisper feud and participate like they can with the AWC vs RDD feud?

Seeing as Burn is a Decepticon, and I'm supposedly an Autobot, the answer to that is blatantly obvious. Unless ol' Dingoboy and I go play in the arena, we have absolutely no control over who plays and who doesn't, the exact same position which all 'subfactions' are in...