The Energon Pub

It'll be a part of it sure, but at the moment its the only form of competition. In v2 there will be other stuff to fight over as well as a higher ranking.

Hmm. Personally, I enjoy a good 'my faction vs your faction' ding dong, but I think it'll grow tiresome if it is all the time, 100%. I like setting targets for myself (right now that's hitting 10th place in the team rankings, and getting all members of my team in the top 200). Of course, if I can find a few commanders who I can build a good bit of team work with, I'll enjoy the whole faction v faction thing so much more, and Im, sure I will, but in the end of the day, the most important things for me will always be: can I score as much as possible in a mission, and can I get as high as I can get.

I've been playing a lot of WoW again... Which works for me since Stopzilla pops up every few minutes kicking me over to HMW so I can play that too, but I've discovered the two have one of the worst things in common in online games, which is why I don't play on the PvP servers. I don't particularly enjoy when someone with 3 times the XP I have comes over and thinks it's a jolly good time to kick my ass. He thinks it's fun, thinks it makes the point of him being a better player, much like the lag switchers and glitchers in Gears and Halo. Hanging around at lower level areas to kill people who don't have a chance against you doesn't make you a better player, it doesn't mean they suck. If anything, it means you're a weak player who can only find enjoyment in a game when you're bullying people. Yeah, in WoW it's not against the rules specifically, unless you camp over a dead body and keep killing them whenever the person comes back to try to respawn, and even then, it's not, it's only griefing.

I for one welcomed the reset for HMW, the lost of characters and XP kinda sucked, but at the same time, we had a chance to change the presetablished "guidelines" that it was ok to sit at level 4 until 2.5 million, or at level 3 until whatever it was. When we (in general) were foring people who wanted to level up to wait and deal with slowed down growth, because the people above them were, I don't know, afraid of leveling up? It never made sense to me then. It still doesn't now. I mean, all you ever really did was slow down the progress of yourself and everyone else in the game. Hopefully, we can change this in V2, but without something being done on the staff/code end, it will quickly become the same thing over again. There is a reason communism, socialism, and anarchism will never succeed. Human nature.

Absolute Zero wrote:...the presetablished "guidelines" that it was ok to sit at level 4 until 2.5 million, or at level 3 until whatever it was.

You're still thinking in the terms of the old game, where this could have been a problem. The new game is exactly that, a new game. Its based on this, but things like levelling up have been radically changed, the dial goes past 11 now.

Red wrote:Hmm. Personally, I enjoy a good 'my faction vs your faction' ding dong, but I think it'll grow tiresome if it is all the time, 100%.

Red, you misunderstand me. Im not saying there wont be a race for the #1 slot, but there will be more to keep those who cant keep up with the basement dwelling elite from quitting.

Psychout wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:...the presetablished "guidelines" that it was ok to sit at level 4 until 2.5 million, or at level 3 until whatever it was.

You're still thinking in the terms of the old game, where this could have been a problem. The new game is exactly that, a new game. Its based on this, but things like levelling up have been radically changed, the dial goes past 11 now.

I don't care about the level system going past 11. That wasn't the point of my post. My point was there's nothing to stop someone with enough XP to be 1-2 levels higher to sit on a lower level and basically be an unstopable force until someone else gets to their level, which becomes a painfully slow slog because you have people who would rather be a bully and kill people who have no chance.

In WoW, the high level alliance kids attack Crossroads about twice a day. The area around crossroads is a 20ish area. Aside from people passing through for the Horde, you generally wont see people over level 25-30 hanging there. However, the Alliance people who come to attack are routinely 65-70 before Lich King, now it's 80s that do it. The players who are 25-30 are killed in 1-2 hits usually if they try to defend people, and they can't leave or get quests because the Alliance people attack the NPCs that give them. While this may be fun for the Alliance players, it's a detriment to the game for the lowbies there who are trying to play the game and have fun. I don't want to see HMW turn into this.

Very little bad comes from it in WoW, but a single server on WoW has more players on it then HMW has probably ever have had through out its existance, so the griefing in this game ends up being far worse. It's a much smaller community, most people here communicate pretty routinely with the other members, griefing pretty quickly builds animosity among players the size of WoW, and there are clans to go around and grief the griefers. Again, not something that I want to see in HMW.

All I'm saying is there needs to be some hard rules to prevent it here. Whether in the game, or in the community, or in the game when you sign up for a faction to play the game, there needs to be some clear definition of rules for the game. Anarchy wont cut it.

So a person with a bot sitting on 10 million spare xp and has 20 upgrades is going to bully someone with 200 spare xp and 20 upgrades?

Burn wrote:So a person with a bot sitting on 10 million spare xp and has 20 upgrades is going to bully someone with 200 spare xp and 20 upgrades?

You know very well that you can do that. That's why there was talks of setting a XP cap that if you went over that, even if you hadn't met all the upgrades, it would put you at a higher level.

Absolute Zero wrote:I don't care about the level system going past 11. That wasn't the point of my post.

OS has already said in a pretty blatant hint that levels will be xp based in HMW2 and there wont be enough room between them for bullying, therefore the bullying issue is dead. Its is an ex-problem, it has ceased to be.

The rules will be updated as and when the game does but the ones we have now are fine, level bullies havent been 'griefers' since tactics were added to level totals 3-4 years ago.

Psychout wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:I don't care about the level system going past 11. That wasn't the point of my post.

OS has already said in a pretty blatant hint that levels will be xp based in HMW2 and there wont be enough room between them for bullying, therefore the bullying issue is dead. Its is an ex-problem, it has ceased to be.

The rules will be updated as and when the game does but the ones we have now are fine, level bullies havent been 'griefers' since tactics were added to level totals 3-4 years ago.

Until v2 comes out, we, who aren't in the beta, are stuck playing v1. It wont be a non-problem until then.

They haven't been as rampant, but they've still been a problem. To say they haven't been a problem is turning a blind eye to it. There have been numerous complaints over the last 3-4 years, after tactics were added, about it. The general answer has always been "It was worse before." It's still a problem now. If you lose a hand, do you put a bandaid on it and call it better, or do you go to the hospital and get it treated by a professional?

It is not greifing. It is a legitimate, if generally disapproved of, way to gain experience focusing on kills instead of level multiplier and there is already a level cap to stop it in its extremes.

So, no, we are not going to change the rules now.

Psychout wrote:It is not greifing. It is a legitimate, if generally disapproved of, way to gain experience focusing on kills instead of level multiplier and there is already a level cap to stop it in its extremes.

So, no, we are not going to change the rules now.

Griefing is legitimate, it's just poor sportsmanship.

The caps are there, they're just not being enforced. I'm just hoping that V2 will have them enforced is all.

And I was comparing WoW to HMW.

Absolute Zero wrote:The caps are there, they're just not being enforced. I'm just hoping that V2 will have them enforced is all.

Reset one of your higher Level 2s; they'll be listed as Level 1 even if with no upgrades purchased. That's not to comment on the XP value that caps the level, but whatever caps are set they seem to be enforced.

I don't really want to get entangled in this too much, but it is nice now that there aren't the 3 million XP over-amped builds that completely oppress everyone below them. Yeah, they may not have gained much from it (relatively speaking), but neither did those they oppressed.

The cap does affect how people play as well If you have no alt, but still have the XP it will force you up to a level with out the number of upgrades you need.

I was subjected to that before the reset, I had a few that were action masters, either they had no alt at all or had alts that did not transform no tactics. I had the XP that forced me up over the cap, but even if I had chosen stats that were useless, I didn't have enough XP to warrant the level. I ended up just getting a new alt cuz I was getting my aft handed to me.

Point is

1 mil XP or 100k XP 20 upgrades are 20 upgrades, it is how you use them.

I'm sorry, I don't agree with that mindset.

I spent less then 1 million XP and built a level 4 that absolutely dominated level 4, and kicked the afts of many people 2 levels higher. It was such a dominating set up that I started putting points in Intel and Rank just because I could. I'd like to think it was why at level 8 I was able to defeat two 10s in a outnumbered mission and pull in 200k XP.

Tactics matter, but they don't matter as much as your core stats. 10 ram means you'll get your rams in, when you get your turn with your courage and speed, and the damage dealt would be negligable without strength. Yes, they can be a great help, but if they were the be all end all, then a action master with 15 upgrades would have never stood a chance against a dual tactic alt with 15 upgrades, or even 20 upgrades. However, I remember that Frenzy was concentrated evil, and pretty much dominated anything and everything in every mission I ever saw him in. That little bastard was a straight up killer, murdering mofos all over the place.

However, those arguements about going up and getting slaughtered are mute currently. There's no one above 3 to make it hard for level 4s to compete, there's no level 5s to dominate the 4s in missions.

Psychout wrote:, therefore the bullying issue is dead. Its is an ex-problem, it has ceased to be.

You, by any chance, have a Parrot?

neliz wrote:

Psychout wrote:, therefore the bullying issue is dead. Its is an ex-problem, it has ceased to be.

You, by any chance, have a Parrot?

He clearly dosnt anymore.

Glad someone got the joke, as it clearly missed its intended target.

Absolute Zero wrote:I'm sorry, I don't agree with that mindset.

I'm not asking you to agree, I'm flat out telling you.

The V1.x level cap both works and is more than enough for the time we have left. It is not getting changed and your continued groaning after you have already been given an answer is starting to piss me off.

There will be no changes to the current rules and the rules for HMW2 will be announced when HMW2 is released.
Now, as much as I hate pulling rank, this discussion is now over.

Psychout wrote:Glad someone got the joke, as it clearly missed its intended target.

Absolute Zero wrote:I'm sorry, I don't agree with that mindset.

I'm not asking you to agree, I'm flat out telling you.

The V1.x level cap both works and is more than enough for the time we have left. It is not getting changed and your continued groaning after you have already been given an answer is starting to piss me off.

There will be no changes to the current rules and the rules for HMW2 will be announced when HMW2 is released.
Now, as much as I hate pulling rank, this discussion is now over.

So now you're telling me to agree with you? That's... kinda funny if so.

Absolute Zero wrote:

Psychout wrote:Glad someone got the joke, as it clearly missed its intended target.

Absolute Zero wrote:I'm sorry, I don't agree with that mindset.

I'm not asking you to agree, I'm flat out telling you.

The V1.x level cap both works and is more than enough for the time we have left. It is not getting changed and your continued groaning after you have already been given an answer is starting to piss me off.

There will be no changes to the current rules and the rules for HMW2 will be announced when HMW2 is released.
Now, as much as I hate pulling rank, this discussion is now over.

So now you're telling me to agree with you? That's... kinda funny if so.

He's just telling you the way it is. Whether you agree to it or not is entirely up to you, but the discussion is over.

So anyway... General discussion....

Isnt it funny the way Chelsea's owner Roman Abramovich has lost the plot?

Mogwai Prime wrote:He's just telling you the way it is. Whether you agree to it or not is entirely up to you, but the discussion is over.

He probably could have phrased it better, but then again, I could have phrased everything a lot better. Like maybe just reiterating my bottom line.

Fearless Echoes wrote:So anyway... General discussion....

Isnt it funny the way Chelsea's owner Roman Abramovich has lost the plot?

Plot? As in plot of land or plot of a story?

Fearless Echoes wrote:So anyway... General discussion....

Isnt it funny the way Chelsea's owner Roman Abramovich has lost the plot?

WEll.. 800 million.. he should've gotten guus on the team WAY earlier.

Despite the fact he *pays* Guus' wages on behalf of the Russian FA, he wasnt really able to get him in sooner, and he can only do it now becuase the Russians only have 2 games before the end of the English season.

Fearless Echoes wrote:Despite the fact he *pays* Guus' wages on behalf of the Russian FA, he wasnt really able to get him in sooner, and he can only do it now becuase the Russians only have 2 games before the end of the English season.

everyone over here assumed he'd do both jobs a couple of years ago. why the hell they ever wanted to hire some second rate trainer like Grant is even beyond me. and besides, with Guus' Salary only at 12 million €uros, he's a bargain

They didnt hire Grant, he was already there in another role (and he did rather well, getting second place in the premier league and the champs league). And Scolari? He is the only manager in Abromaovich's reign who has ever had to make a profit on the transfer market. Of course he was gonna strugle. Not to mention he was stabed in the back by Drogba (who has been rubbish this year), Balack (who also has been rubish this year) and Ceck.

Not that Im complaining, all Chelski's shenanigans, Rafa Benitez's slowly losing the plot, and Arsne Wenger's hugely successful Season Sabotage Program 1.0, Man United are laughing right now.