Legacy Evolution Commander Class Armada Optimus Prime Video Review

Not really a fan of Armada Prime. So it looks like I'll be saving over $90 this time out...

G1 and starting with TF:Prime are the TV media that I watched while "On Air." I only started catching up with the Unicorn Trilogy in the last 2~3 months (still watching Cybertron). So no nostaligia for any UT figures. I can count on one hand bot designs I like in Armada, and I can tell you OP is NOT one of them.

However, this figure looks very good & fun and worthy of a Commander. It's one I'll likely get with a pre-order... which is a first for a Commander class/price toy. I'm impressed.

This coming to retailers or is it some exclusive?

Deathsaurus1 wrote:This coming to retailers or is it some exclusive?

Which one? Armada Prime?
That will be the next normal released Commander. So, available everywhere.

I wasn't gonna pick this up, but this review is tempting me.

Also, what are the chances of getting a Nemesis Prime out of this? Either a commander version or a voyager version with the cab only?

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wasn't gonna pick this up, but this review is tempting me.

Also, what are the chances of getting a Nemesis Prime out of this? Either a commander version or a voyager version with the cab only?

They didn't make the symbol on the side of the trailer "Autobot-shaped" so they may have left themselves open for a possible Nemesis Prime.

Emerje

I don't get it. We know Hasbro can do better figures than this. Every mode looks terrible.

Asepticon wrote:I don't get it. We know Hasbro can do better figures than this. Every mode looks terrible.

Assuming you're talking about Prime, then I must respectfully disagree. This looks like a perfect update to the now 21 year old toy. I think they nailed it, and its unlikely at the moment, but I'd love a Jetfire at least to go with him.

Kinda crazy when the legs are better on the original super mode :/ The shoulders have lost their shape too. Definitely needs better faction symbols on the trailer too but at least that is an easy fix.

Will be interesting to see the comparisons to the third party MP at some point.

looks great

blackeyedprime wrote:Kinda crazy when the legs are better on the original super mode :/ The shoulders have lost their shape too. Definitely needs better faction symbols on the trailer too but at least that is an easy fix.

Will be interesting to see the comparisons to the third party MP at some point.

Wait… what? How are immovable panels better than articulated legs?
The shoulders are the correct shape,


Transformers Armada Optimus Prime (Convoy) Gallery

He looks pretty good. The only disappointment is his size.

blackeyedprime wrote:Kinda crazy when the legs are better on the original super mode :/ The shoulders have lost their shape too. Definitely needs better faction symbols on the trailer too but at least that is an easy fix.

Will be interesting to see the comparisons to the third party MP at some point.

How are the legs better on the original?

Overcracker wrote:Wait… what? How are immovable panels better than articulated legs?
The shoulders are the correct shape,


Transformers Armada Optimus Prime (Convoy) Gallery

The legs/hips should be wider/jutting out at the sides of the front skirting (no side skirts) which old toys legs are. The lower legs should have gun turrets.

Shoulders sloped sections should protrude more and noticable shape difference, so not even close to correct shape.

The silohettes wouldnt match up with the animation for sure and that's with out the other details. I'm also not keen how the leg treads end up on the back of the newer figure but they kinda disapear on the toon version anyways rather than staying on the legs star convoy style.

You meant just for the appearance of cherry picked elements. That's hardly what I could call "better." All I see on the original are not legs, but a box split in two. That's why as soon as I got Jetfire, those trailer pants were removed and never used ever again.

At least for the newer Legacy version, the legs look like legs and function like legs.

Granted, the missing gun turrets could be annoying for some, but I'm 100% sure some upcoming 3P upgrade kit will fix that. As for the rest of the little details, better go with that 3P "masterpiece" version. But for the majority of people, that Commander blow the original out of the freaking planet.

Armada Prime is truly the king of the line this year so far, he looks incredible

Technically RiD Optimus got me back into collecting but it was ended and the shelves were full of Armada. But I enjoyed the kids cartoon and their version of Prime a lot. I still have my original Armada Prime, Jetfire and Red Alert, but I may well get this guy. What a fantastic (and interesting) update to a fairly unique version of Prime.

~ Grim

All this talk about Armada Prime got me watching some old reviews, and I just noticed that G2 Smokescreen and Energon Starscream transform exactly the same way! And while G2 Smokescreen doesn't quite resemble any specific real life plane, Energon Starscream is quite clearly based off an F-22.

Which is also Machine Wars Megatron's alt mode! He doesn't transform the same way, as he was a flipformer, but most of his parts en up in the same place. the same applies to Machine Wars Skywarp/Thundercracker, although they transform into a different plane, a Dassault Rafale.

G2 Smokescreen, Machine Wars Megatron and Machine Wars Skywarp were repainted into Beast Wars 2 Starscream, Thrust and Dirge respectively.

The point of this ramble is that if they ever re do Energon Starscream, we could get a new G2 Smokescreen, Machine Wars Megatron and Megaplex, and Beast Wars 2 Starscream and Thrust just with redecoing and a couple of new heads. And with some alt mode remolding, we could also get Machine Wars Skywarp and Thundercracker, and Beast Wars 2 Dirge.

Come on Hasbro, it's a whooping NINE figures just by tweaking a single mode a bit. I'm sure that at least G2 Dreadwing & Smokescreen and Energon Starscream, could sell well, lol. Can't be sure about all the repaints, I'd be interested in them but they're sort of niche. But they're also cool planes with simple yet attractive decos, and probably deluxe size, depending on how big Energon Starscream should be. And you can say they're JAPANESE characters. They'd also be good fodder for "worlds collide" style packs. And Beast Wars 2 BB & Starscream have that wish fullfilment factor, since they basically use the same deco as that barely released Megatron and Starscream G2 set.

They could even do Botcon Waspinator if they wanted, since he was a repaint of Machine Wars Skywarp!

Rtron wrote:All this talk about Armada Prime got me watching some old reviews, and I just noticed that G2 Smokescreen and Energon Starscream transform exactly the same way! And while G2 Smokescreen doesn't quite resemble any specific real life plane, Energon Starscream is quite clearly based off an F-22.

Which is also Machine Wars Megatron's alt mode! He doesn't transform the same way, as he was a flipformer, but most of his parts en up in the same place. the same applies to Machine Wars Skywarp/Thundercracker, although they transform into a different plane, a Dassault Rafale.

G2 Smokescreen, Machine Wars Megatron and Machine Wars Skywarp were repainted into Beast Wars 2 Starscream, Thrust and Dirge respectively.

The point of this ramble is that if they ever re do Energon Starscream, we could get a new G2 Smokescreen, Machine Wars Megatron and Megaplex, and Beast Wars 2 Starscream and Thrust just with redecoing and a couple of new heads. And with some alt mode remolding, we could also get Machine Wars Skywarp and Thundercracker, and Beast Wars 2 Dirge.

Come on Hasbro, it's a whooping NINE figures just by tweaking a single mode a bit. I'm sure that at least G2 Dreadwing & Smokescreen and Energon Starscream, could sell well, lol. Can't be sure about all the repaints, I'd be interested in them but they're sort of niche. But they're also cool planes with simple yet attractive decos, and probably deluxe size, depending on how big Energon Starscream should be. And you can say they're JAPANESE characters. They'd also be good fodder for "worlds collide" style packs. And Beast Wars 2 BB & Starscream have that wish fullfilment factor, since they basically use the same deco as that barely released Megatron and Starscream G2 set.

They could even do Botcon Waspinator if they wanted, since he was a repaint of Machine Wars Skywarp!

That may be a bit too much for the current Hasbro team as they've mellowed out so to speak when it comes to easy redecos/retools. I will give you Energon Starscream with G2 Smokescreen as the alternate head... as the unreleased G2 Starscream:



Machine Wars Megatron/Megaplex is already an easy redeco for Prime Universe Dreadwing using the BotCon release as a base, so they can get away with that

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Rtron wrote:All this talk about Armada Prime got me watching some old reviews, and I just noticed that G2 Smokescreen and Energon Starscream transform exactly the same way! And while G2 Smokescreen doesn't quite resemble any specific real life plane, Energon Starscream is quite clearly based off an F-22.

Which is also Machine Wars Megatron's alt mode! He doesn't transform the same way, as he was a flipformer, but most of his parts en up in the same place. the same applies to Machine Wars Skywarp/Thundercracker, although they transform into a different plane, a Dassault Rafale.

G2 Smokescreen, Machine Wars Megatron and Machine Wars Skywarp were repainted into Beast Wars 2 Starscream, Thrust and Dirge respectively.

The point of this ramble is that if they ever re do Energon Starscream, we could get a new G2 Smokescreen, Machine Wars Megatron and Megaplex, and Beast Wars 2 Starscream and Thrust just with redecoing and a couple of new heads. And with some alt mode remolding, we could also get Machine Wars Skywarp and Thundercracker, and Beast Wars 2 Dirge.

Come on Hasbro, it's a whooping NINE figures just by tweaking a single mode a bit. I'm sure that at least G2 Dreadwing & Smokescreen and Energon Starscream, could sell well, lol. Can't be sure about all the repaints, I'd be interested in them but they're sort of niche. But they're also cool planes with simple yet attractive decos, and probably deluxe size, depending on how big Energon Starscream should be. And you can say they're JAPANESE characters. They'd also be good fodder for "worlds collide" style packs. And Beast Wars 2 BB & Starscream have that wish fullfilment factor, since they basically use the same deco as that barely released Megatron and Starscream G2 set.

They could even do Botcon Waspinator if they wanted, since he was a repaint of Machine Wars Skywarp!

That may be a bit too much for the current Hasbro team as they've mellowed out so to speak when it comes to easy redecos/retools. I will give you Energon Starscream with G2 Smokescreen as the alternate head... as the unreleased G2 Starscream:



Machine Wars Megatron/Megaplex is already an easy redeco for Prime Universe Dreadwing using the BotCon release as a base, so they can get away with that

I'd be okay with only getting that, that whole wall of text is wishful thinking: I'd be surprised if they even did any single one of those characters in the first place. But pointless speculation is half the fun here!

Rtron wrote:All this talk about Armada Prime got me watching some old reviews, and I just noticed that G2 Smokescreen and Energon Starscream transform exactly the same way! And while G2 Smokescreen doesn't quite resemble any specific real life plane, Energon Starscream is quite clearly based off an F-22.

Which is also Machine Wars Megatron's alt mode! He doesn't transform the same way, as he was a flipformer, but most of his parts en up in the same place. the same applies to Machine Wars Skywarp/Thundercracker, although they transform into a different plane, a Dassault Rafale.

G2 Smokescreen, Machine Wars Megatron and Machine Wars Skywarp were repainted into Beast Wars 2 Starscream, Thrust and Dirge respectively.

The point of this ramble is that if they ever re do Energon Starscream, we could get a new G2 Smokescreen, Machine Wars Megatron and Megaplex, and Beast Wars 2 Starscream and Thrust just with redecoing and a couple of new heads. And with some alt mode remolding, we could also get Machine Wars Skywarp and Thundercracker, and Beast Wars 2 Dirge.

Come on Hasbro, it's a whooping NINE figures just by tweaking a single mode a bit. I'm sure that at least G2 Dreadwing & Smokescreen and Energon Starscream, could sell well, lol. Can't be sure about all the repaints, I'd be interested in them but they're sort of niche. But they're also cool planes with simple yet attractive decos, and probably deluxe size, depending on how big Energon Starscream should be. And you can say they're JAPANESE characters. They'd also be good fodder for "worlds collide" style packs. And Beast Wars 2 BB & Starscream have that wish fullfilment factor, since they basically use the same deco as that barely released Megatron and Starscream G2 set.

They could even do Botcon Waspinator if they wanted, since he was a repaint of Machine Wars Skywarp!

The Energon Starscream mold was pretty much mush by 2009 with its use for BotCon 2009 Leozack and Skyquake. That mold has long since degradated by now, 19 years later.

And it's not just Energon Starscream that reused G2 Smokescreen's transformation. 2010 Terradive reused it with a few extra steps, and Generations Fall of Cybertron Starscream used it too.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rtron wrote:All this talk about Armada Prime got me watching some old reviews, and I just noticed that G2 Smokescreen and Energon Starscream transform exactly the same way! And while G2 Smokescreen doesn't quite resemble any specific real life plane, Energon Starscream is quite clearly based off an F-22.

Which is also Machine Wars Megatron's alt mode! He doesn't transform the same way, as he was a flipformer, but most of his parts en up in the same place. the same applies to Machine Wars Skywarp/Thundercracker, although they transform into a different plane, a Dassault Rafale.

G2 Smokescreen, Machine Wars Megatron and Machine Wars Skywarp were repainted into Beast Wars 2 Starscream, Thrust and Dirge respectively.

The point of this ramble is that if they ever re do Energon Starscream, we could get a new G2 Smokescreen, Machine Wars Megatron and Megaplex, and Beast Wars 2 Starscream and Thrust just with redecoing and a couple of new heads. And with some alt mode remolding, we could also get Machine Wars Skywarp and Thundercracker, and Beast Wars 2 Dirge.

Come on Hasbro, it's a whooping NINE figures just by tweaking a single mode a bit. I'm sure that at least G2 Dreadwing & Smokescreen and Energon Starscream, could sell well, lol. Can't be sure about all the repaints, I'd be interested in them but they're sort of niche. But they're also cool planes with simple yet attractive decos, and probably deluxe size, depending on how big Energon Starscream should be. And you can say they're JAPANESE characters. They'd also be good fodder for "worlds collide" style packs. And Beast Wars 2 BB & Starscream have that wish fullfilment factor, since they basically use the same deco as that barely released Megatron and Starscream G2 set.

They could even do Botcon Waspinator if they wanted, since he was a repaint of Machine Wars Skywarp!

The Energon Starscream mold was pretty much mush by 2009 with its use for BotCon 2009 Leozack and Skyquake. That mold has long since degradated by now, 19 years later.

And it's not just Energon Starscream that reused G2 Smokescreen's transformation. 2010 Terradive reused it with a few extra steps, and Generations Fall of Cybertron Starscream used it too.

Yeah, I was talking about what they could do if they made a modern update, not the original mold. Since they're "remaking" Unicron Trilogy characters and all.

At last I have Breakdown so my Menasor team is complete!



I would have never guessed that torso mode. It's amazing how that big truck became that tiny and compact block. The overall combined mode is impressive, nicely proportionate and STABLE. Hear that, Combiner Wars?




Overall, I'm very pleased and I'm glad I didn't miss out.

I bought Lio Convoy and the first 2 core Dinobots at last during the Pulse sale today. Soundblaster is the only wave 1 figure I don't have yet, but I am confident I will find him on sale eventually.

BBTS has all the Evolution Wave 2 figures except Shrapnel in-stock.

That Armada Optimus Prime is looking amazing.
I do hope they redo Megatron as well, the Combiner Wars Armada Megatron remold would be okay enough. I don't have that one, I do have the g1 Megatron version.

I would love Hasbro to also remake Jetfire and Overload(Ultra Magnus). Especially Overload, I love his big red blockyness and it's still one of my favorige Transformers. Turning into a big truck thing and a Star Wars fighter bomber thing.

Armada Jetfire is already (near) perfect, decent articulation and great alt/robot mode. But for completeness sake I hope they remake him as well for that Jet Optimus Bulldozer mode.

And, more speculation, I hope they do a Titan Tidalwave.
Can you guys imagine, a Titan sized Aircraft Carrier who can split into 3 airships and another giant. And somehow have him connect with a Megatron in his torso to mimic the cartoon.

They can repaint Tidalwave into Shockwave (the cartoon one was Shockwave) and in the future when sales are mental repaint his ass into Energon Tidalwave.

If I can get 3 Titan aircraft carriers for about 150 euro's a pop. then I'll get 3, to hell with food.

Oh but first we're going to prolly get Titan Class The Nemesis.

Question, Any of you who got Titan Metroplex (Cybertron series), what's your opinion?
I haven't gotten him and he's dropping in price (still too expensive though).
I was very letdown that he didn't have a mega head-master playvalue, like little ramps, ladders, computer stations etc. Since he's a giant mining vehicle, I hoped he had all of those little addons so it would look like people were working on him.

Anyway, I might fold if he drops to below 100 euro's and 3d design the best I can do to get him to have ramps and ladders for the Headmasters/Titanmasters.

.... On that note, Hasbro, please do Headmasters/Titanmasters/Primemasters again, I love the feature of little dudes riding in altmode and becoming a head or a chestpiece or whatever.

noctorro wrote:That Armada Optimus Prime is looking amazing.
I do hope they redo Megatron as well

They are, Leader Class Armada Megatron is set for wave 3 of Legacy Evolution per different leaks we have seen.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ked/47517/

It's likely an entirely new mold though.

noctorro wrote:Especially Overload, I love his big red blockyness and it's still one of my favorige Transformers. Turning into a big truck thing and a Star Wars fighter bomber thing.

Huh?

noctorro wrote:Armada Jetfire is already (near) perfect, decent articulation and great alt/robot mode. But for completeness sake I hope they remake him as well for that Jet Optimus Bulldozer mode.

What?

noctorro wrote:And, more speculation, I hope they do a Titan Tidalwave.
Can you guys imagine, a Titan sized Aircraft Carrier who can split into 3 airships and another giant. And somehow have him connect with a Megatron in his torso to mimic the cartoon.

You may wanna watch this video. All of it:

noctorro wrote:They can repaint Tidalwave into Shockwave (the cartoon one was Shockwave)

No, "Shockwave" was just Tidal Wave's Japanese name. The Armada English dub was just so incompetent that it'd sometimes use characters' Japanese names instead of their English ones.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/325557736333?epid=23056269568&hash=item4bccc0d38d:g:CU4AAOSw7TRkAOrC&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1


Sorry for not being savvy in posting this info but if anyone is looking to get the "A Hero is Born" set there are several nicely priced compared to what I laid down!

Since this is Hasbro's store on eBay I wonder if there are any on Hasbro Pulse which I have zero desire on checking.

Oh wow damnation my attention span is super limited when it comes to a gab-fest like in that YouTube video.

At any rate I hope we do get us a much wanted Commander Class Tidal wave, a Titan Class would be shockingly mind blowing but doubtful...'nuff said!

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Sorry, dude. Even I picked up the thinly veiled contempt and sarcasm toward anything NOT G1. And frankly it was unwarranted and effectively demonstrates a point I've made several times over the last few months. The Geewunners- "fans" of G1 who want EVERYTHING to be G1 and have nothing but hatred or contempt for those who enjoy other versions of Transformers. Frankly, it's BS and toxic. It's like someone who believes that Jose Cuervo is the pinnacle of tequila and ignoring Don Julio, Patron, 1942, Codigo, Cimarron and others of higher quality.[/quote]

I wasn't born into G1, so it carries no nostalgia. But it came first, so I think it should be held in a high regard. It wasn't perfect but isn't that bad a base. I want the new design to look like OPTIMUS PRIME, for example. It doesn't have to be exact right down the very last pixel. The Bumblebee Movie Cybertron scene proved G1 can be done again and still look "fresh" or "new." I actually really liked Cyberverse, I even have the spark armor prowl from the toyline. Beast Wars was cool too. And even if Armada Optimus isn't my favorite design, I think the trailer and it's combining gimmick was a cool idea. At the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with being like G1, but every new series can take a few liberties. And if my earlier post sounded rude, I don't see many people complementing armada often. If you are one of theese aftormentioned fans, show yourself! Everyone will respect your part of the fandom at least a little bit more if you talk about it more and don't just cower behind your screens as the prime fans carry the parade. (I still won't ever be convinced to like those bay movies, however.)


P.S. Sorry guys for responding to such an old comment.

Either Christmas is coming late or my birthday is early but tomorrow I'm getting an excellent order from BBTS of most of the wave 2 Evolution deluxe and core class figures I'm just missing Shrapnell who was PO out of stock. Also finally getting Tarn tomorrow.

I got my Lio Convoy and core Dinobots from the Pulse warehouse sale.

One thing I have never really liked about Lio is the lion legs on the arms despite the goodness of the swords, but on this mold, they feel even more out of place. Outside of that, he feels really solid. I need to put him in lion mode, but he's pretty good. I love the headsculpt details.

The Dinobots are also pretty cute in hand. I kind adore these ugly little MoFos.

I snagged the 1 Core Thundercracker I found at Target this evening.
Price had gone up to $9.99, but somehow that still sits with me way better than $11.99.

Still zero deluxe figures of any kind.
Well, I never look at the Earthspark stuff, so I don’t know what’s what with all that.
But figures are showing up, just no deluxes.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I got my Lio Convoy and core Dinobots from the Pulse warehouse sale.

One thing I have never really liked about Lio is the lion legs on the arms despite the goodness of the swords, but on this mold, they feel even more out of place. Outside of that, he feels really solid. I need to put him in lion mode, but he's pretty good. I love the headsculpt details.

The Dinobots are also pretty cute in hand. I kind adore these ugly little MoFos.

There's a kit or two on eBay that moves the lion legs from his arms to his back, though you're still left with the red bar on the back of the arms.

Emerje

Cute little buggers

Legacy insecticon review from chefatron

https://youtu.be/8KQPQN3nE2w

So after first seeing Metalhawk and Twincast at my local Target on Wednesday March 1st, I went back there again. I know all 3 from that first case sold, but they must have got at least 2 more cases of wave 2 and another case of wave 1 voyagers, because on the shelf tonight were 4 Metalhawks, and 2 Leo Primes (meaning at least 1 Tarn, and 2 more Soundblasters sold).

I truly do think the early shipping of those wave 2 core's must have been an error. So frustrating that I actually saw 2 of the 4 (Nemesis Prime and repack Bomb Burst) but never saw Grimlock or Thundercracker. Heck, I've never even *technically* seen wave 1 in the wild yet, despite getting Slag and Sludge from Amazon back in January. Oh well, even if I never see them at retail, at least I have my pre-orders secured.

I know it’s old news, and yet it still feels somewhat fresh—
I just saw Nemesis, Grimlock, & Thundercracker two nights ago, yet never saw Slag or Sludge (or any Core figures from that wave).

It’s seriously like Legacy wave 3 was canceled, and what I’ve called wave 4 (w/ Breakdown) also seems to have been pretty much nixxed from brick and mortar retail.
I know some have seen that wave, but it’s definitely been thin and oddly sporadic.

I've seen exactly 1 Slag in a Wal-Mart and nothing else from that wave.

I came up with an alternative transformation for Skullgrin.

What do you think?

Ya know, it's kinda funny that Legacy and SS had a simultaneous wave that included a voyager class kitty and a goon with a face that is his faction badge



Also, to showcase Hot Shot, here he is with the Kid Appeal crew

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Ya know, it's kinda funny that Legacy and SS had a simultaneous wave that included a voyager class kitty and a goon with a face that is his faction badge

Kingdom gave us Voyager Tigatron and the Ark with a faction symbol face.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Ya know, it's kinda funny that Legacy and SS had a simultaneous wave that included a voyager class kitty and a goon with a face that is his faction badge

Kingdom gave us Voyager Tigatron and the Ark with a faction symbol face.

Emerje

I was talking about specific time frame releases. It's funny to have 2 similarities like that in 2 different lines at the same time

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Ya know, it's kinda funny that Legacy and SS had a simultaneous wave that included a voyager class kitty and a goon with a face that is his faction badge

Kingdom gave us Voyager Tigatron and the Ark with a faction symbol face.

Emerje

I was talking about specific time frame releases. It's funny to have 2 similarities like that in 2 different lines at the same time

I know, I was just thinking linearly.

Emerje

Super late but recently got a bunch of figures and finally took pictures

Here's Skullgrin and Needlenose in my little Mayhem Attack Squad.



Skullgrin is fun but the soft plastic is scary. Needlenose is fun though. Time will tell if that Bludgeon is replaced by the Tarn remold! Side note: Skytread/Flywheels is still one of my favorite figures

Got Armada Starscream in as well. Not perfect, but pretty fun and a nice design

Loki and Agent Mobius?

Inferno is a mixed bag. Ant mode is so cool, and so much of the robot mode is so cool. But those damn legs are annoying

Anyways, it's nice to add a larger predacon to the mix. Grimlock is armed to the teeth and eager to take him down

Finishing off with a Leo Prime appreciation post. Fingers crossed Nemesis Leo has the accurate Copy Convoy colors

Thanks for sharing those pics Razorbeast88. It made me realize the head sculpts on Needlenose. If I had a chance to get my hands on Collector's Club version I would, but the head sculpt on Legacy Needlenose is far better...'nuff said!