BotCon 2016 "Dawn of the Predacus" General Ramhorn Revealed

Nosecone? Is that you? I LOVE IT.

ZeroWolf wrote:As for this figure, was ramhorn always that shade of red? I don't remember the old figure looking like that

Here's a legit question, were the tripredicus council actually red in the show or was that just the lighting/budget modeling? Because i think there was a shot or two when cicadacon i think was actually mostly grey. Also there was a bunch of red mood lighting.

Well, there went my Cyclonus theory. Bang, you're dead.

NOSECONE?!?!?!?!?!

ZeroWolf wrote:If It is to be reused for the techonobots don't expect it until next year as I think all of cw has been seen so it may just get put on with titan returns stuff.

I'm actually kind of skeptical about the drill to be honest: if Nosecone really is to be made from Brawl, I'd have expected a few more changes to the vehicle shell (the turret has an unsightly gap for starters), and FunPub is able to make new accessories for existing figures. Unless this is a half-and-half But that's a discussion for another thread.

On Ram Horn, using a drill tank suits him, even though adult Rhinoceros Beetles don't burrow (nor do Cicadas sting *hint hint*). Two more to go.

I like it. It's a good use of the drill tank remold.

On second thought, I'm quite disappointed that they chose to go with the colourings of a 30-second scene over that of the original toy.

If I remember correctly, it was stated somewhere that they council was supposed to modeled after the tripedacus figures, but they ran short on time and left them grey and indistinct; I agree that this combiner is going to look rather bland/interesting it 3/5 of it is going to be black and red;

Come to think on it - this will be the most cohesive combiner to date as far as propotions and color scheme go (so far) other than, maybe pirahnacon

RAcast wrote:Nosecone? Is that you? I LOVE IT.

I was thinking along the same lines, but my first thought was Drillhorn

Mkall wrote:On second thought, I'm quite disappointed that they chose to go with the colourings of a 30-second scene over that of the original toy.

I went the reverse route. At first I was thinking, but this isnt Ramhorn, and then I totally gushed over the fact that we now have both an original toy AND a toy that homages the onscreen characters. While I am not fond of the two previous releases, this is really making me reconsider a few things. Still not sure if its worth the general price tag but consider me greatly intrigued.

Also, it helps that this is a mold I still havent seen yet so there is 0 mold fatigue. I am super curious about the combined head now and the torso.

PS: Also, I really disliked the original ramhorn toy as a kid.

william-james88 wrote:

Mkall wrote:On second thought, I'm quite disappointed that they chose to go with the colourings of a 30-second scene over that of the original toy.

I went the reverse route. At first I was thinking, but this isnt Ramhorn, and then I totally gushed over the fact that we now have both an original toy AND a toy that homages the onscreen characters. While I am not fond of the two previous releases, this is really making me reconsider a few things. Still not sure if its worth the general price tag but consider me greatly intrigued.

Also, it helps that this is a mold I still havent seen yet so there is 0 mold fatigue. I am super curious about the combined head now and the torso.

PS: Also, I really disliked the original ramhorn toy as a kid.

Yeah, it left me, and, probably many a kid, scarred for life

Hellscream9999 wrote:If I remember correctly, it was stated somewhere that they council was supposed to modeled after the tripedacus figures, but they ran short on time and left them grey and indistinct; I agree that this combiner is going to look rather bland/interesting it 3/5 of it is going to be black and red;

Come to think on it - this will be the most cohesive combiner to date as far as propotions and color scheme go (so far) other than, maybe pirahnacon

What of the great Victorion?

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:If I remember correctly, it was stated somewhere that they council was supposed to modeled after the tripedacus figures, but they ran short on time and left them grey and indistinct; I agree that this combiner is going to look rather bland/interesting it 3/5 of it is going to be black and red;

Come to think on it - this will be the most cohesive combiner to date as far as propotions and color scheme go (so far) other than, maybe pirahnacon

What of the great Victorion?

Well, she hasn't been released, but yeah, I guess she would qualify too.

Desslok2201 wrote:

RAcast wrote:Nosecone? Is that you? I LOVE IT.

I was thinking along the same lines, but my first thought was Drillhorn

Oh shit, this could've legitimately worked as drillhorn. .

Forget Nosecone. I'm excited for Drillhorn. I think we've got all the molds we need for a new Liokaiser. Unfortunately, he'll be a 5 figure guys plus a Legends figure instead of a proper 6 figure Combiner, but I'm game if there are no official plans to do 6 deluxes as a Combiner in the future.

Both Computron and Liokaiser are welcome. The question here is: how soon can we see the other 2 left? I'm impatient

Watch this:

This is not a Nosecone retool (yet). Instead, the Club split the cost of the new weapon tooling across two Budgets. Ladies and Gentlemen, the 7th TFSS4.0 figure, known to be a Deluxe, is the Wrecker Twin Twist.

Or, not.

Regardless, not feeling the colors, but I like the idea. Maybe in an actual figure it'll look better. Still down for more Decepticon Combiner Fodder.

Flashwave wrote:Watch this:

This is not a Nosecone retool (yet). Instead, the Club split the cost of the new weapon tooling across two Budgets. Ladies and Gentlemen, the 7th TFSS4.0 figure, known to be a Deluxe, is the Wrecker Twin Twist.

Or, not.

Regardless, not feeling the colors, but I like the idea. Maybe in an actual figure it'll look better. Still down for more Decepticon Combiner Fodder.

Doesn't Twin Twist need two drills.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Flashwave wrote:Watch this:

This is not a Nosecone retool (yet). Instead, the Club split the cost of the new weapon tooling across two Budgets. Ladies and Gentlemen, the 7th TFSS4.0 figure, known to be a Deluxe, is the Wrecker Twin Twist.

Or, not.

Regardless, not feeling the colors, but I like the idea. Maybe in an actual figure it'll look better. Still down for more Decepticon Combiner Fodder.

Doesn't Twin Twist need two drills.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Here's a legit question, were the tripredicus council actually red in the show or was that just the lighting/budget modeling? Because i think there was a shot or two when cicadacon i think was actually mostly grey. Also there was a bunch of red mood lighting.

It's a little more complicated than that.

The three enter the room colored dark grey, but then appear red after turning on some red lights on the table. However, it's less as though the lights on the table are shining on the three to make them appear red, and more as though their bodies themselves change from dark grey to glowing red upon their touching the red table lights to turn them on, as we see the white overhead light swing and sway to shine directly on their bodies (particularly Ram Horn and Sea Clamp) without changing the red color. Their robes, however, are consistently silver regardless of any lighting.

In other words, the three are Color Changers.

steals_your_goats wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Aw man I can't wait for CW nosecone to come out. It's a preview for nosecone right?

I surely hope so, I really like the way this looks, I just wish the drill was a bit bigger

What want to see is a nosecone remolded from air raid sounds dumb until u flip air raid (in alt mode) uside down and flip the wings down

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Here's a legit question, were the tripredicus council actually red in the show or was that just the lighting/budget modeling? Because i think there was a shot or two when cicadacon i think was actually mostly grey. Also there was a bunch of red mood lighting.

It's a little more complicated than that.

The three enter the room colored dark grey, but then appear red after turning on some red lights on the table. However, it's less as though the lights on the table are shining on the three to make them appear red, and more as though their bodies themselves change from dark grey to glowing red upon their touching the red table lights to turn them on, as we see the white overhead light swing and sway to shine directly on their bodies (particularly Ram Horn and Sea Clamp) without changing the red color. Their robes, however, are consistently silver regardless of any lighting.

In other words, the three are Color Changers.

So no one's right, and no ones wrong really. I always figured personally when I watched the show as a kid that they were like really high contrast/reflective colours like silver, or white for them to reflect the red mood lighting. I never thought they were actually red if that makes sense. Also because the fact like they turned red after they turned on their lights, it always made me think because of the low budget nature of beast wars, their character models changed to red to make it look like there was more red mood lighting.

Seibertron wrote:Forget Nosecone. I'm excited for Drillhorn. I think we've got all the molds we need for a new Liokaiser. Unfortunately, he'll be a 5 figure guys plus a Legends figure instead of a proper 6 figure Combiner, but I'm game if there are no official plans to do 6 deluxes as a Combiner in the future.

^^^^^^^BW Megatron: Why yessss....., yes.....
ME: in honesty i would agree with that we are getting a third party liokaiser from tfc (also making a prianacon/king poesideon) third party is realizing fans want g1 japan figures plus I am not sure if who would be the rkght arm of Liokaiser because Hellbat is dead in the comics, and deathcobra is hanging with the menbers of liokaiser so i would hope they woild be combined at somepoibt in issue 50 if that happens and if we see dinoking g1 nostalgia will be overloading but first all most necessary thing ever Killbision is going to need to have articulated fingers so that he he can do what he did on the show (if you watch cybercast you will get this)

Starsaber468 wrote:but first all most necessary thing ever Killbision is going to need to have articulated fingers so that he he can do what he did on the show (if you watch cybercast you will get this)

Or, you know, just check the Wiki:



It's, like, the only screencap pic from the show up on his page.

I would hope unite warriors computron would be like this
Scattorshot: Morgan remolding than the hasbro verison or a new mold Lightspeed: Remold of dead end (new mold probably not)
Afterburner: Remold of UW groove (duh)
Strafe: (new mold(hopefully))
Nosecone:Air raid made into nosecone (FLIP UR AIR RAID UPSIDE DOWN AND FOLD ITS WINGS UP THEN YOU WILL SEE WHY

Sabrblade wrote:

Starsaber468 wrote:but first all most necessary thing ever Killbision is going to need to have articulated fingers so that he he can do what he did on the show (if you watch cybercast you will get this)

Or, you know, just check the Wiki:



It's, like, the only screencap pic from the show up on his page.

Thx Sabrblade thats the picture thats why its necessary for him to have articulated fingers XD

Starsaber468 wrote:I would hope unite warriors computron would be like this
Scattorshot: Morgan remolding than the hasbro verison or a new mold Lightspeed: Remold of dead end (new mold probably not)
Afterburner: Remold of UW groove (duh)
Strafe: (new mold(hopefully))
Nosecone:Air raid made into nosecone (FLIP UR AIR RAID UPSIDE DOWN AND FOLD ITS WINGS UP THEN YOU WILL SEE WHY

Yeah no

So now for a potential Breastforce combiner we have the following:

Leozack - Silverbolt mold (even though Air Raid would be a better fit)
Killbison - Brawl mold
Drillhorn - Brawl mold w/ drill attachment
Jallguar - Swindle retool of Rook
Guyhawk - Skydive mold
Hellbat - Firefly mold
Deathcobra - Alpha Bravo mold

Sabrblade wrote:So now for a potential Breastforce combiner we have the following:

Leozack - Silverbolt mold (even though Air Raid would be a better fit)
Killbison - Brawl mold
Drillhorn - Brawl mold w/ drill attachment
Jallguar - Swindle retool of Rook
Guyhawk - Skydive mold
Hellbat - Firefly mold
Deathcobra - Alpha Bravo mold

Lyzack - Airraid

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Lyzack - Airraid

Lyzack wasn't depicted as having wings (or being a Breastforce member) in her original Victory manga appearance:

Doesn't matter, if were going on the idea we have to use cw figure; airraids a good mold, the wings can fold back, and lyzack needs a toy that isn't botcon leozack. Also if leozacks CW silverbolt he wouldnt have his wings correctly oriented either

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Starsaber468 wrote:I would hope unite warriors computron would be like this
Scattorshot: Morgan remolding than the hasbro verison or a new mold Lightspeed: Remold of dead end (new mold probably not)
Afterburner: Remold of UW groove (duh)
Strafe: (new mold(hopefully))
Nosecone:Air raid made into nosecone (FLIP UR AIR RAID UPSIDE DOWN AND FOLD ITS WINGS UP THEN YOU WILL SEE WHY

Yeah no

Really? With an equivalent amount of re-shelling to streetwise, I could see it, and actually be satisfied with it. I mean, it looks like it would be a more satisfying 'drill machine' than ramhorn will be

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Doesn't matter, if were going on the idea we have to use cw figure; airraids a good mold, the wings can fold back, and lyzack needs a toy that isn't botcon leozack. Also if leozacks CW silverbolt he wouldnt have his wings correctly oriented either

Well, why would Lyzack need to be included, though? The combiner's already more than complete without her.

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Doesn't matter, if were going on the idea we have to use cw figure; airraids a good mold, the wings can fold back, and lyzack needs a toy that isn't botcon leozack. Also if leozacks CW silverbolt he wouldnt have his wings correctly oriented either

Well, why would Lyzack need to be included, though? The combiner's already more than complete without her.

Because she's family. That'd be like sideswipe without sunstreaker, starscream without seekers. Like a can of beer that's sweeter than honey. Like a millionaire that has no money. Like a rainy day that is not wet. Like a gamblin' fiend that does not bet. Like Dracula without his fangs, its just like the boogie to the boogie without the boogie bang. It just isn't right.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Mkall wrote:On second thought, I'm quite disappointed that they chose to go with the colourings of a 30-second scene over that of the original toy.

I went the reverse route. At first I was thinking, but this isnt Ramhorn, and then I totally gushed over the fact that we now have both an original toy AND a toy that homages the onscreen characters. While I am not fond of the two previous releases, this is really making me reconsider a few things. Still not sure if its worth the general price tag but consider me greatly intrigued.

Also, it helps that this is a mold I still havent seen yet so there is 0 mold fatigue. I am super curious about the combined head now and the torso.

PS: Also, I really disliked the original ramhorn toy as a kid.

Yeah, it left me, and, probably many a kid, scarred for life

For real?! Scarred for life how? Ram Horn is one of my favorite Transformer toys ever!!! Unless, of course, you are referring to his combination-form... Then I can see where you're coming from.

The Airraid mold might make a good lyzack with proper wing retooling.(Or a Nosecone with proper tread retooling. I can kinda see it.)

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Because she's family. That'd be like sideswipe without sunstreaker, starscream without seekers. Like a can of beer that's sweeter than honey. Like a millionaire that has no money. Like a rainy day that is not wet. Like a gamblin' fiend that does not bet. Like Dracula without his fangs, its just like the boogie to the boogie without the boogie bang. It just isn't right.

Did you just come up with that? 'cos that was clever.

I always figured it was the red light casting on them that amde them red. But, not having a proper colour scheme, I associate them with that red coluor. So this makes me really happy.


The first 2 reveals were nothing to me. This gets me excited. Really happy. If the other two are like this, I may seriously consider getting the set. The original Tripredacus was among my favourites, loved Ram Horn's crazy eyes and mouth movement.

Sooo...The front of the vehicle mode is made of the hollow as hell back of Brawl's vehicle mode?



I seriously hope this isn't going to be Nosecone, it looks pretty awful. I would have thought Rook would have made more sense as a retool base- all you would need to do is plug a drill into the front port of his vehicle mode and bam- instant drill tank.

I dont like the idea of this as drillhorn because then that means that the beet are the same mold for liokaiser.

william-james88 wrote:I dont like the idea of this as drillhorn because then that means that the beet are the same mold for liokaiser.

But wouldn't it help look a little more in unison?

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I dont like the idea of this as drillhorn because then that means that the beet are the same mold for liokaiser.

But wouldn't it help look a little more in unison?

I thought the idea was to pay homage to the G1 toy as much as possible. If that one had different leg parts than this one should too. Thats all I am saying.

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I dont like the idea of this as drillhorn because then that means that the beet are the same mold for liokaiser.

But wouldn't it help look a little more in unison?

I thought the idea was to pay homage to the G1 toy as much as possible. If that one had different leg parts than this one should too. Thats all I am saying.

That is very true, despite looking nice from a style point, it won't be true to the original. ..and it's already comprising on having five members over its original six (they could, if needed, put hellbat out using powerglide).

Just an idea, but the breast components that turn into guns and animals could be reused microns. Makes sense right?

Also, while we talk of drillhorn and nosecone, I do find this drill component in this brawl mold really small. In both of those, the drill is the main eye catching component of the alt mode. Here, it looks like just a small add on.

I'm just trying to say that while us fans are now excited at the repaint prospect, I highly doubt I would be reading the same comments if this was revealed as nosecone or drillhorn. I would be thinking:

"really? This is your best attempt at Drillhorn/Nosecone? Looks more like a tank with a toothpick attached. Not much of a retool, would have preffered a new mold"

But for the Predacus dude, this is pretty great, that part doesnt change.

At this point, even speculating about a liokaiser repaint is enough for me. Though you're right, it is a poor version if the two characters respectively but beggars can't be choosers at this point in the struggle for liokaiser

ZeroWolf wrote:At this point, even speculating about a liokaiser repaint is enough for me. Though you're right, it is a poor version if the two characters respectively but beggars can't be choosers at this point in the struggle for liokaiser

Haha, yeah. Curious though, would you preffer this over a straight up rerelease of the original?

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:At this point, even speculating about a liokaiser repaint is enough for me. Though you're right, it is a poor version if the two characters respectively but beggars can't be choosers at this point in the struggle for liokaiser

Haha, yeah. Curious though, would you preffer this over a straight up rerelease of the original?

If it was re-released, that thing would go so quick. Blink of an eye quick even

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:At this point, even speculating about a liokaiser repaint is enough for me. Though you're right, it is a poor version if the two characters respectively but beggars can't be choosers at this point in the struggle for liokaiser

Haha, yeah. Curious though, would you preffer this over a straight up rerelease of the original?

If it was re-released, that thing would go so quick. Blink of an eye quick even

Fort Max was the main G1 grail to most collectors and now he is heavily discounted and still available. We collectors have a loud voice and some of us have deep pockets. But we arent many and even fewer have deep pockets. So I am pretty sure that if I can still buy a fortmax right now, 2 years after its release, a liokaiser reissue would not be impossibly hard to order or get a hold of (though it could be costly).

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:At this point, even speculating about a liokaiser repaint is enough for me. Though you're right, it is a poor version if the two characters respectively but beggars can't be choosers at this point in the struggle for liokaiser

Haha, yeah. Curious though, would you preffer this over a straight up rerelease of the original?

If it was re-released, that thing would go so quick. Blink of an eye quick even

Fort Max was the main G1 grail to most collectors and now he is heavily discounted and still available. We collectors have a loud voice and some of us have deep pockets. But we arent many and even fewer have deep pockets. So I am pretty sure that if I can still buy a fortmax right now, 2 years after its release, a liokaiser reissue would not be impossibly hard to order or get a hold of (though it could be costly).

Encore Fort Max's ubiquity might also have to do with how many were produced. Suppose an Encore Liokaiser wasn't as mass produced as the quantity of Encore Fort Maxes, then it's possible that that thing could come and go more quickly, especially with how less expensive it would be than Fort Max is regardless of quantity.

But if there were to be as many, or even more, Liokaisers produced as Fort Maxes, then yeah, it'd probably be fairly easy to get.

In that case I would definitely pump for the original (or a reissue of the original at least). I'm still trying to get the reissued multiforce and the rest of the six man micromaster combiner team

Okay, so, we've gone way off topic.

Who's gonna be the torso, Sea Clamp or Cicadacon? And from which mold?

Both would make sense in a way. Sea Clamp was the biggest of the three in the original toy, but he formed the pants instead. And his show model was the smaller of the two.

Cicadacon would also work since he was the torso of the original toy and his show model was the beefiest of the three. But, the Air Raid mold would work so much better for him than any of the torso molds, and Skydive's head is a close enough match to his show model's head that he wouldn't need a new head. And his original toy was the smallest of the three as well.

But looking at all of the available CW Voyagers there are to choose from (Optimus, Silverbolt, Motormaster, Cyclonus, Hot Spot, Onslaught, an Scattershot---Sky Lynx isn't likely to be available for Fun Pub just yet), none of them really work that well. The only one that might possibly, slightly work is Cyclonus for Cicadacon, but just barely, and not nearly as well as the Air Raid mold would work for him.

And if Cicadacon does end up being the torso, which Deluxe would work for Sea Clamp? The Rook mold would have worked well with its ability to give him Hulk Hands as a homage to his claws, but that mold's already reserved for Tarantulas. Maybe the Drag Strip mold could use the Mirage head for him, but I don't know.

Man, this is tough.

One more observation about Ram Horn.

You know what the mostly-gray-with-red-designs deco of the tank's body kinda reminds me of? Beast Machines Mega class Tankor's tank body deco:




And now I think I like this toy even more than I did before.