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Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more

Transformers News: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more

Tuesday, February 12th, 2008 7:04PM CST

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Seibertron's own Scaleface has come across a large allotment of "new" Knock Off (or KO) figures.

These figures stretch from the Classics line to the Movie and beyond, there is now even a Masterpiece Prime Knock Off.

Seibertron.com does not endorse the production, selling or trading of Knock Off Transformers, and as such will not be posting links to where these figures may be purchased.

Instead, please use the Images below to ensure that you do not accidentally purchase a KO figure, believing it to be the real deal. And always remember, if a deal seems too good to be true, it most probably is.

KO Transformers Movie Leader Class Optimus Prime


KO Transformers Movie Voyager Blackout (In Artic and Desert Camo)


KO Transformers Movie Voyager Ratchet


KO Transformers Movie Simplified Supreme Bumblebee


KO Classics Deluxe Astrotrain


KO Titanium Soundwave


KO Alternator Jazz


KO Masterpiece Prime

Credit(s): Scaleface

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Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630326)
Posted by Liege Evilmus on February 12th, 2008 @ 7:12pm CST
Gentlemen,

Ready pellet guns

Take aim

...wait for it...

FIRE!!!
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630327)
Posted by Scaleface on February 12th, 2008 @ 7:12pm CST
Anyone who buys the Titanium Soundwave knockoff thinking it's the real thing needs to be checked for colorblindness. It's so funky it's cool. I think it's the second 6 inch titanium knockoff to be made, they did a Thundercracker mold knockoff in different colors before.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630328)
Posted by Autobot Jazz on February 12th, 2008 @ 7:14pm CST
No need for me to worry, I have most of these and the ones I don't have I don't want. It's pretty easy to tell a KO from the real thing as long as it's in package but it's good to have warnings like these, so thanks for the info Scaleface.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630334)
Posted by Scaleface on February 12th, 2008 @ 7:20pm CST
The actually changed the deco on Rescue Ratchet so he said "SUPER & ROBOT" on the vehicle instead of "Ambulance"! The robot mode of the knockoff has the logo for the Baltimore Ravens on his shoulders instead of red crosses! I guess they use what they have to make these toys, but this is really ODD.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630339)
Posted by Bed Bugs on February 12th, 2008 @ 7:37pm CST
I like the deco's on the KO Blackouts. Might have to look into acquiring one or two if they are dirt cheap.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630343)
Posted by Jaz-Zen on February 12th, 2008 @ 7:46pm CST
Oh snap! Ha ha! :lol: Who IS that?? Pimp Daddy Soundwa.. no..Look at the head/face... That's Pimp Daddy 6in Titanium BLASTER! :lol:
8-} That's so bad you can't help but love it. :lol:
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630348)
Posted by Loki41872 on February 12th, 2008 @ 7:59pm CST
Hey... Does that MP Prime have a vac-metal face plate? I need that.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630351)
Posted by Orion_Prime48 on February 12th, 2008 @ 8:01pm CST
well... that MP Prime looks good same with that astrotrain and alt jazz might buy em if I find em cheap
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630355)
Posted by capellamusic on February 12th, 2008 @ 8:11pm CST
It's unbelievable... Isn't this ilegal? I mean... these are current products. I'm starting to get sick of KOs... Vintage KOs (not pretending to pass like the real thing) are understandable if we're talking about ones not being reissued (e.g. G1 Devastator), otherwise I don't understand how they are able to get away with this. :shock:
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630357)
Posted by Burn on February 12th, 2008 @ 8:13pm CST
i_amtrunks wrote:Seibertron.com does not endorse the production, selling or trading of Knock Off Transformers, and as such will not be posting links to where these figures may be purchased.


So will this stance be reflected in the board rules thread in GD or does this fall under the whole "no posting of copyrighted material" category?

And should we then start reporting anyone who posts links to auctions of said KO's even though they might just be alerting people and warning them like this thread?
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630362)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 12th, 2008 @ 8:25pm CST
Seeing as how i have all those (except bumblebee) i dont need to worry. I wouldnt mind picking up one of the Astrotrains though. Ive been trying to get another one but i never win on ebay. But seeing as how theres no link i guess im boned.

EDIT: oh yeah and whats up with the masks and the Ravens emblem on Ratchet?
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630363)
Posted by Immortal Starscream on February 12th, 2008 @ 8:28pm CST
i wants me that mp prime ko for parts, and paints muahahahahaha
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630370)
Posted by Liege Evilmus on February 12th, 2008 @ 8:38pm CST
Immortal Starscream wrote:i wants me that mp prime ko for parts, and paints muahahahahaha


Yeah but chances are they won't line up right, even the acesories. muahahatever!

KOs are good for carnage, that's it.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630371)
Posted by Mr. Buzz Killington on February 12th, 2008 @ 8:39pm CST
Gentelman, we have found guina pigs for our unstable kitbash/repaint skills. Enjoy humiliating them!
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630375)
Posted by OptitronPrime on February 12th, 2008 @ 8:48pm CST
Gee these Ko's are getting out of control
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630397)
Posted by Chaoslock on February 12th, 2008 @ 9:38pm CST
Is that a Raven tatoo on Ratchets arms? Coooll.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630402)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on February 12th, 2008 @ 9:50pm CST
Damn...it just keeps coming...
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630407)
Posted by Sledge on February 12th, 2008 @ 9:57pm CST
So what impact does this new "Seibertron does not condone knockoffs" policy have on the 90+ page knockoff thread? Do we knock that on the head, or can we carry on with the understanding that we're posting things people MUSTN'T buy?

Also, I find it amusing that all these Movie knockoffs come out at the same time people are complaining about too many Movie toys and repaints. Wonder how well the KOs will sell?
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630416)
Posted by mattyc1007 on February 12th, 2008 @ 10:11pm CST
seen prime before like that and even more worse fakes.
also seen the fake alternators aswell, seen swindle amd blaster. thought of getting the swindle one for a kitbash.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630425)
Posted by Brakethrough on February 12th, 2008 @ 10:35pm CST
Judging by the bizarre mask that comes with Bumblebee, he's defected!
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630436)
Posted by Sgt.Schnitzel on February 12th, 2008 @ 11:06pm CST
I want that camouflaged Blackout and I want that silver Jazz.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630461)
Posted by Bombus distinguendus on February 13th, 2008 @ 12:00am CST
lmao i would buy them just for fun....you gotta be a compleat idiot to not know these are KO's....just look at the packageing...
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630489)
Posted by Deadpool. on February 13th, 2008 @ 1:40am CST
That Titanium Soundwave KO really looks ugly....
Classics Astrotrain KO looks pretty real though, compared to the other KOs.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630498)
Posted by Stormrider on February 13th, 2008 @ 2:12am CST
If MP Prime contains die-cast, I wonder how much of it is lead. :-?
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630520)
Posted by Ravage XK on February 13th, 2008 @ 3:11am CST
Im not sure how I feel about KOs. On one hand I think its shameful that these people can copy another designers work and then blatantly sell it but whenever I go into a newsagent or £1 shop I always keep my eyes open to see if they have any, although I haven't bought any yet.

I am amazed that they are allowed to get away with it.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630533)
Posted by Autobot032 on February 13th, 2008 @ 3:39am CST
Stormrider wrote:If MP Prime contains die-cast, I wonder how much of it is lead. :-?


Oh he's leadtastic. I went to the Taobao site and found the auction. He is indeed plastic and die-cast. You can see where the paint thins out in certain spots.

Also, his facecover is chromeplated.

Here's the link: http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/item ... 958d.jhtml
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630540)
Posted by Barrelass on February 13th, 2008 @ 4:11am CST
Autobot032 wrote:
Stormrider wrote:If MP Prime contains die-cast, I wonder how much of it is lead. :-?


Oh he's leadtastic. I went to the Taobao site and found the auction. He is indeed plastic and die-cast. You can see where the paint thins out in certain spots.

Also, his facecover is chromeplated.

Here's the link: http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/item ... 958d.jhtml



So is that page all knock-offs? And if so, is the MP-01 trailer that they have a picture of at the bottom of it a knock-off of a knock-off trailer? If so that is getting sick.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630545)
Posted by Autobot032 on February 13th, 2008 @ 4:24am CST
Barrelass wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
Stormrider wrote:If MP Prime contains die-cast, I wonder how much of it is lead. :-?


Oh he's leadtastic. I went to the Taobao site and found the auction. He is indeed plastic and die-cast. You can see where the paint thins out in certain spots.

Also, his facecover is chromeplated.

Here's the link: http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/item ... 958d.jhtml



So is that page all knock-offs? And if so, is the MP-01 trailer that they have a picture of at the bottom of it a knock-off of a knock-off trailer? If so that is getting sick.


Some of it is legitimate stuff, some bootlegs and the trailer is the one from Justitoys. No bootleg of a knockoff.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630597)
Posted by woosh on February 13th, 2008 @ 6:54am CST
woo, these look totally cool.
i'd love to get'em all :D
arctic attack blackout xD
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630609)
Posted by Zeds on February 13th, 2008 @ 7:22am CST
I wonder if you could do a knock off of a knock off? What would you call it. I know! A piece of xxxx!
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630673)
Posted by Cheetron on February 13th, 2008 @ 9:33am CST
After falling for the crap that Hasbro was selling in the movie line, I'm wondering if these KO's are of better quality. You can't get much worse than some of the ones I've had, both KO's and Movie.

Sad thing is I like Soundwave. Get some dynamite or a nice firearm.... :grin:
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630700)
Posted by Mr-Valkeyreion on February 13th, 2008 @ 10:27am CST
hey the soundwave figure looks like hes got an cybertron evac head....hmmm.... i'm not getting him
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630734)
Posted by First Gen on February 13th, 2008 @ 11:23am CST
I've known about these for a while now. You can't escape KO's.

I even email HASBRO with links to where these are being sold, they said thanks and that they'd look into it. This was months ago.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630750)
Posted by capellamusic on February 13th, 2008 @ 11:55am CST
First Gen wrote:I've known about these for a while now. You can't escape KO's.

I even email HASBRO with links to where these are being sold, they said thanks and that they'd look into it. This was months ago.


Hmm, maybe you should mail Takara Tomy instead since they "live closer" to where these KOs are done. These things are like a plague getting out of control... It's getting insane IMO.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630765)
Posted by First Gen on February 13th, 2008 @ 12:17pm CST
capellamusic wrote:
First Gen wrote:I've known about these for a while now. You can't escape KO's.

I even email HASBRO with links to where these are being sold, they said thanks and that they'd look into it. This was months ago.


Hmm, maybe you should mail Takara Tomy instead since they "live closer" to where these KOs are done. These things are like a plague getting out of control... It's getting insane IMO.


TAKARA TOMY and HASBRO are partners. They'd notify each other of a problem if need be. Besides, HASBRO knows these KO's are all coming out of China, the masters of KO's, and they also know they are not only getting ripped off, but stand to lose major money to them.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630771)
Posted by capellamusic on February 13th, 2008 @ 12:28pm CST
First Gen wrote:
capellamusic wrote:
First Gen wrote:I've known about these for a while now. You can't escape KO's.

I even email HASBRO with links to where these are being sold, they said thanks and that they'd look into it. This was months ago.


Hmm, maybe you should mail Takara Tomy instead since they "live closer" to where these KOs are done. These things are like a plague getting out of control... It's getting insane IMO.


TAKARA TOMY and HASBRO are partners. They'd notify each other of a problem if need be. Besides, HASBRO knows these KO's are all coming out of China, the masters of KO's, and they also know they are not only getting ripped off, but stand to lose major money to them.


I know that, it's just that I think it's better to tell both or to the closest company. Anyway, they should do something... and eBay is so contaminated by KOs that they're very easy to find. Though finding who's producing them I have no clue.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630777)
Posted by First Gen on February 13th, 2008 @ 12:43pm CST
capellamusic wrote:I know that, it's just that I think it's better to tell both or to the closest company. Anyway, they should do something... and eBay is so contaminated by KOs that they're very easy to find. Though finding who's producing them I have no clue.


Well, eBay really can't do anything about it. They say they have rules and crap but all you have to do is word the auction a certain way and you can sell them. Like do a search on ebay for "Conversion Robot" and you'll get all KO alternators.

And so far the thing is since its coming outta China they can't stop production. Best they can do is seize shipments coming out of China and thats next to impossible.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630840)
Posted by Silver Wind on February 13th, 2008 @ 2:23pm CST
i_amtrunks wrote:Seibertron.com does not endorse the production, selling or trading of Knock Off Transformers, and as such will not be posting links to where these figures may be purchased.

Then might I suggest you remove the site text from the images, and also not upload them directly from the website in question? :?
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630851)
Posted by Six Two One on February 13th, 2008 @ 2:35pm CST
Cool. I'll need those for a project of mine. Once I raid the KO factory...
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630906)
Posted by --B-- on February 13th, 2008 @ 3:34pm CST
Now the big question, where can i get these besides eBay?

I'd love some K.O. Alternators and MP prime for some "projects".

Some of those K.O. BT Prowl, Swindle, Skids etc. without the big shipping costs.

Has anyone seen any of these in the U.S.? Specifically in Philly??
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630911)
Posted by VaultKeeper on February 13th, 2008 @ 3:40pm CST
I don't see the issue here. If Hasbro and Takara are "dealing" with this issue as they say they are then who are we to debate that. The best course of action for us the fans is to boycott such items and not give them airtime on the forums or news threads.
Another issue here is how do we define a knock-off ?
How many of us have the WST Dinobots or the add ons for the Masterpiece series and the Classics Cliffjumper ? Or even repro parts and stickers ?
The various coloured mini bots from Argentina and Mexico, are they to be classed as fakes ?
By definition according to these forums they would be classed as knock-offs.
They are not produced by Hasbro or Takara, they are not I dont believe licensed by either so are they knock offs. Is it a quality question, if they are an exceptional copy then does that make it ok ? Copies and knock-offs will always be around, there are even some sites out there that list them as odd balls or variations, some even collect them as they would originals.I myself dont have a problem with them, I even have one or two in my collection. I will, if I come across one, get the Masterpiece Prime copy.
Well, thatsmy first post over with.

"All alone, as you walk through the crowd"
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630969)
Posted by First Gen on February 13th, 2008 @ 4:54pm CST
--B-- wrote:Now the big question, where can i get these besides eBay?

I'd love some K.O. Alternators and MP prime for some "projects".

Some of those K.O. BT Prowl, Swindle, Skids etc. without the big shipping costs.

Has anyone seen any of these in the U.S.? Specifically in Philly??



Check ur PM's
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (630973)
Posted by First Gen on February 13th, 2008 @ 4:57pm CST
VaultKeeper wrote:I don't see the issue here. If Hasbro and Takara are "dealing" with this issue as they say they are then who are we to debate that. The best course of action for us the fans is to boycott such items and not give them airtime on the forums or news threads.
Another issue here is how do we define a knock-off ?
How many of us have the WST Dinobots or the add ons for the Masterpiece series and the Classics Cliffjumper ? Or even repro parts and stickers ?
The various coloured mini bots from Argentina and Mexico, are they to be classed as fakes ?
By definition according to these forums they would be classed as knock-offs.
They are not produced by Hasbro or Takara, they are not I dont believe licensed by either so are they knock offs. Is it a quality question, if they are an exceptional copy then does that make it ok ? Copies and knock-offs will always be around, there are even some sites out there that list them as odd balls or variations, some even collect them as they would originals.I myself dont have a problem with them, I even have one or two in my collection. I will, if I come across one, get the Masterpiece Prime copy.
Well, thatsmy first post over with.

"All alone, as you walk through the crowd"


I agree completel with you vault. I happen to love KO's but not the ones that are rip offs, the obvious ko's that are different colored and just all over horrible toys. They're great to practice repaints and what not.

By the way

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Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (631004)
Posted by Rogue. on February 13th, 2008 @ 5:26pm CST
I would also like to get some KO Alternators. Send some PM love my way :D I really want that pewter colored Alt Jazz.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (631081)
Posted by The Happy Locust on February 13th, 2008 @ 7:24pm CST
Some of these KO's are actually not too shabby. And I'm not too picky about such things.

*Mounts his paper-mache horse, holds up his foam rubber sword, and gallops to Big-Lots!"
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (631279)
Posted by PrimulArchangel on February 14th, 2008 @ 1:09am CST
I like KOs as well and not all of them are garbage. I like to buy them for repaints and customs.. Also some people dont have the cash to dish out for figures like some of the alternators , so a KO is the next best thing.. I would love to get me some of those MP Prime KOs .. Can anyone send me some links on where to buy these KOs posted ?
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (631387)
Posted by olokin on February 14th, 2008 @ 7:06am CST
At least they look like obvious knock-offs. The KO BT Skids posted in an earlier thread can fool anyone though.
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (633633)
Posted by Scaleface on February 16th, 2008 @ 12:13pm CST
Okay, they have knocked off Classic Starscream. For those wishing to see the difference, it's most easily detected by the lack on blue on the hands and feet. Here is a comparison:

Image
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (1633455)
Posted by patrick.timothy on December 27th, 2014 @ 6:17pm CST
Why beware getting a KO Prime? You all should know that if there are no Transformers writing and it's mostly in chinese/Transformer style writing/or any other writing, that means it's fake. If you don't know hiw to differentiate a KO and the original by the box, don't call yourself a Transformer fan! :BOT: :CON:
Re: Buyer Beware: Knock Off MP Prime and more (1633456)
Posted by patrick.timothy on December 27th, 2014 @ 6:18pm CST
Why beware getting a KO Prime? You all should know that if there are no Transformers writing and it's mostly in chinese/Transformer style writing/or any other writing, that means it's fake. If you don't know hiw to differentiate a KO and the original by the box, don't call yourself a Transformer fan! :BOT: :CON:

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