Comparison Images Between SS Leader Springer and Siege Voyager Springer Mold

Nope. Not worth the extra $$$. I would get it if I didn't have Siege already, but he's good enough.

And do you really think we're getting a comic edition Rodimus? Out of the Kingdom figure? Or a new mold, since the box will most likely be for a leader figure?

Rodimus Prime wrote:And do you really think we're getting a comic edition Rodimus? Out of the Kingdom figure? Or a new mold, since the box will most likely be for a leader figure?

The latest rumor is that the final fourth Marvel set will be a 2-pack of Xaaron and Flame, who will probably be no larger than Deluxes if they wanna keep the packaging size consistent.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Nope. Not worth the extra $$$. I would get it if I didn't have Siege already, but he's good enough.

This covers my thoughts also.

Yeaaaah I am not saying nope but will probably wait till it has been on shelves for 6 months and drops in price on Amazon like ss86 leader starscream.

I was holding out a little bit of hope that we'd see TLK Drift who we had a listing for a while ago in this wave, but got reportedly delayed. Nothing for me from today's stuff, but we should see that ROTF multipack in July so there's something to look forward to before 2025!

The SS86 Springer is not ugly but it looks nowhere near as good as the Siege version. It has too much grey and a blue Autobot symbol.

Triggerdick Megatron wrote:The SS86 Springer is not ugly but it looks nowhere near as good as the Siege version. It has too much grey and a blue Autobot symbol.

No, you got that backwards. The gray one with the blue is the Siege-molded Amazon Wreckers Springer. SS86 Springer is the other one.

Phew! My mistake, thanks for clearing that up, Sabrblade.

Is the SS86 Springer better? Absolutely! Is it worth the extra $$$? Doubt it. But even if the extra $$$ is not a concern (say...a gift). I don't feel I will like SS86 a single bit more than the Siege one. So why pay for ZERO excitement? A bit more screen accuracy is not worth the waste of money & the energy to figure out how to handle the old figure.

cloudballoon wrote:Is the SS86 Springer better? Absolutely! Is it worth the extra $$$? Doubt it. But even if the extra $$$ is not a concern (say...a gift). I don't feel I will like SS86 a single bit more than the Siege one. So why pay for ZERO excitement? A bit more screen accuracy is not worth the waste of money & the energy to figure out how to handle the old figure.

I agree, but I will get the SS86 as I currently have no Springer.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And do you really think we're getting a comic edition Rodimus? Out of the Kingdom figure? Or a new mold, since the box will most likely be for a leader figure?

The latest rumor is that the final fourth Marvel set will be a 2-pack of Xaaron and Flame, who will probably be no larger than Deluxes if they wanna keep the packaging size consistent.

And Flame is a UK exclusive character, correct? Would he use a Rodimus mold?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And do you really think we're getting a comic edition Rodimus? Out of the Kingdom figure? Or a new mold, since the box will most likely be for a leader figure?

The latest rumor is that the final fourth Marvel set will be a 2-pack of Xaaron and Flame, who will probably be no larger than Deluxes if they wanna keep the packaging size consistent.

And Flame is a UK exclusive character, correct? Would he use a Rodimus mold?

He turns into a tank.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And do you really think we're getting a comic edition Rodimus? Out of the Kingdom figure? Or a new mold, since the box will most likely be for a leader figure?

The latest rumor is that the final fourth Marvel set will be a 2-pack of Xaaron and Flame, who will probably be no larger than Deluxes if they wanna keep the packaging size consistent.

And Flame is a UK exclusive character, correct? Would he use a Rodimus mold?

He turns into a tank.

Well then it's gotta be someone heavily retooled, because I can't picture Xaaron being a reused mold, and I doubt they'll give us 2 brand new molds.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And do you really think we're getting a comic edition Rodimus? Out of the Kingdom figure? Or a new mold, since the box will most likely be for a leader figure?

The latest rumor is that the final fourth Marvel set will be a 2-pack of Xaaron and Flame, who will probably be no larger than Deluxes if they wanna keep the packaging size consistent.

And Flame is a UK exclusive character, correct? Would he use a Rodimus mold?

He turns into a tank.

Well then it's gotta be someone heavily retooled, because I can't picture Xaaron being a reused mold, and I doubt they'll give us 2 brand new molds.

I'm told there have been some really good fan customs of Xaaron made out of Cyberverse Deluxe class Megatron.

Though, it remains to be seen if Hasbro would be willing to use a Cyberverse Deluxe mold for a Legacy figure even if those Deluxes were largely on par with Legacy-styled engineering.

Then again, no one expected them to use a Studio Series Bumblebee movie mold for Legacy Javelin, so who knows? Guess we'll just have to be surprised.

Triggerdick Megatron wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:Is the SS86 Springer better? Absolutely! Is it worth the extra $$$? Doubt it. But even if the extra $$$ is not a concern (say...a gift). I don't feel I will like SS86 a single bit more than the Siege one. So why pay for ZERO excitement? A bit more screen accuracy is not worth the waste of money & the energy to figure out how to handle the old figure.

I agree, but I will get the SS86 as I currently have no Springer.

If I don't have Siege Springer, I'd PO this SS86 version. If I can find a redeco scheme to repaint the Siege version, I'll probably get the SS86 if it goes on clearance. But I don't know TF lore deep enough to know what redeco character is there for it.

cloudballoon wrote:

Triggerdick Megatron wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:Is the SS86 Springer better? Absolutely! Is it worth the extra $$$? Doubt it. But even if the extra $$$ is not a concern (say...a gift). I don't feel I will like SS86 a single bit more than the Siege one. So why pay for ZERO excitement? A bit more screen accuracy is not worth the waste of money & the energy to figure out how to handle the old figure.

I agree, but I will get the SS86 as I currently have no Springer.

If I don't have Siege Springer, I'd PO this SS86 version. If I can find a redeco scheme to repaint the Siege version, I'll probably get the SS86 if it goes on clearance. But I don't know TF lore deep enough to know what redeco character is there for it.

Only other deco that makes any realistic sense is toy colors and we got that in the Wreck N' Rule collection at Amazon.

Incidentally, Entertainment Earth has the case packouts. Not really sure why they're just repeating the same figures from the previous wave instead of trying to cycle in some older popular figures that may have not been easy to find in abundance in stores.

Core wave 10
Actual breakdown not given but an 8 figure case includes
SS86 Steeljaw
SS86 Ratchet
Bumblebee Movie Rumble

Deluxe wave 25
2x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES DLX TF7 BARCELONA (ROTB Wheeljack)
1x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES DLX MV6 SUNSTREAKE
2x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES DLX WFC SIDESWIPE
3x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES DLX WFC DECEPTICON

Voyager wave 25
1x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES VOY MV6 SHOCKWAVE
2x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES VOY MV6 SKYWARP

Leader wave 15
1x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES LDR MV6 MEGATRON
1x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES LDR AST TF86 SWOOP

They really should reissue Noah, Rumble was just released this year. But who knows, maybe he's in the wave with Starscream.

The early leak for the Deluxe wave showed a new The Last Knight Drift and ReActivate Lifeline, but I guess those guys are in limbo so they just gave us Sideswipe and Sunstreaker two waves in a row and Wheeljack from the wave before that (which in his case may have been the plan all along, leaks didn't include repacks).

Emerje

I may be in the minority, but I find BOTH Springers to be uninteresting. Those will be an easy skip.

The SS86 release I'm really exited about is Bumblebee. Not only does the bot look PERFECT, especially compared to the previous Netflix, the vehicle is very G1 toy accurate. Overall, it's even way better than the second MP.

You probabably noticed that yesterday's reveals did not seem numerous enough to fill a whole wave of Studio Series toys. Well that's because the wave will be made up mostly of repacks, and we now know their contents thanks to listings on Entertainment Earth. You'll notice that 86 Bumblebee and TF One Prime are not there and that's because they are in their own specific case that retailers can order all year round.

Core wave 10
Actual breakdown not given but an 8 figure case includes
SS86 Steeljaw
SS86 Ratchet
Bumblebee Movie Rumble

Deluxe wave 25
2x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES DLX TF7 BARCELONA (ROTB Wheeljack)
1x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES DLX MV6 SUNSTREAKE
2x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES DLX WFC SIDESWIPE
3x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES DLX WFC DECEPTICON

Voyager wave 25
1x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES VOY MV6 SHOCKWAVE
2x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES VOY MV6 SKYWARP

Leader wave 15
1x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES LDR MV6 MEGATRON
1x TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES LDR AST TF86 SWOOP

With regards to the reveals, they were very disappointing. I can't believe we are to the point where I am only going to buy a single figure from a wave of Studio Series, and that is the 4th use of a mold.

Springer is not a leader, sorry, that level of retooling should've kept him at a voyager, and those accessories are not enough for a leader.

In other news, I do really enjoy Sunstreaker

I like both versions a lot, and can't choose a favorite depending on the angle. The siege version looks better from the side and back, but the SS looks better from the front IMO. I think I will likely pick this up for the accessories, and the lack of battle damage. I like having multiple versions of the same character if both versions are good. I still want to go back and get that CHUG springer from years ago. It was a really neat looking one and I liked it's redesign. It also looked good as sandstorm, and I think there was a hot rod repaint?

Anyways, ramble over. Cool figure. Nuff said.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Springer is not a leader, sorry, that level of retooling should've kept him at a voyager, and those accessories are not enough for a leader.

Agreed. Just comparatively, all those accessories alone wouldn't match the material used for Siege Astrotrain's tender, and that's also not factoring in that Astrotrain came with 5 weapons.

ThunderThruster wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Springer is not a leader, sorry, that level of retooling should've kept him at a voyager, and those accessories are not enough for a leader.

Agreed. Just comparatively, all those accessories alone wouldn't match the material used for Siege Astrotrain's tender, and that's also not factoring in that Astrotrain came with 5 weapons.

This could also be compared to the SS86 Throne Starscream, but at least his accessories were quite large.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ThunderThruster wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Springer is not a leader, sorry, that level of retooling should've kept him at a voyager, and those accessories are not enough for a leader.

Agreed. Just comparatively, all those accessories alone wouldn't match the material used for Siege Astrotrain's tender, and that's also not factoring in that Astrotrain came with 5 weapons.

This could also be compared to the SS86 Throne Starscream, but at least his accessories were quite large.

The throne and cape both occupied a fair amount of space, so those accessories were somewhat worth the price, even if they clearly were not highly desired

ER Optimus Prime

SS86 Starscream

SS86 Springer

Legacy leader Soundwave

All of these are voyagers with an accessory pack sold as "leaders."
Love it or gate it, the trend seems to stay.

So, which voyager will be "leaderified" next?

Thing is, Springer really doesn't have extra mass. He has basically 4 new standard sized accessories. That isn't a $20 upgrade. And the changes to his robot mode are in-line with what they could do with a voyager retool, so it's not like that added a lot either

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ThunderThruster wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Springer is not a leader, sorry, that level of retooling should've kept him at a voyager, and those accessories are not enough for a leader.

Agreed. Just comparatively, all those accessories alone wouldn't match the material used for Siege Astrotrain's tender, and that's also not factoring in that Astrotrain came with 5 weapons.

This could also be compared to the SS86 Throne Starscream, but at least his accessories were quite large.

This is probably closer to how they justified making Hot Rod a Voyager, but upping the parts count and adding a bunch of individual accessories. Even though they seemed to just be updating parts 1:1, they actually added more function to the new ones. The hands are now two parts and the, the wheels are now pinned to his arms instead of popped onto his shoulders, and his backpack is now at least 3 chunky parts instead of one. That's just the obvious stuff.



I think this is a much better update than just putting new hands on Starscream and a throne (the same throne that didn't really affect the price when included with the Nemesis Brdige three pack).

Emerje

Emerje wrote:
I think this is a much better update than just putting new hands on Starscream and a throne (the same throne that didn't really affect the price when included with the Nemesis Brdige three pack).

Emerje

You forgot the cape and crown, accessories that are basically a downscale from MP-11, plus the extra null rays that came with it. They could have charged the leader price just for those, but they overkilled it with the throne.

I don't think I've been more underwhelmed by a figure than SS86 Coronation Starscream.
That whole scene in the movie was actually really cool and very memorable, but none of that was captured in that figure release.
On top of that, imo it was a horrible use of a leader class slot, and annoyed me even more since I'm such a fan of this subline.

I am very happy with this new Springer, even just for the figure itself.
The accessories are fine, but didn't really do anything to sway me or up my excitement. Now, I can agree that this doesn't seem worthy of $55+. But I do like this character a lot, and this version is improved enough, especially making him taller; he's supposed to be as big as Optimus.
The price is also probably easier for me to digest since so far I'm skipping everything from Legacy except Gears. Yeah, I'm assuming I'll get Legacy Soundwave, partially because of the cassettes. But still...
My main purchases will be Swoop, Springer, CC OP, Blaster, and Bee. Steeljaw will be a little icing.

Bumblebee Movie Core class Starscream finally got listed on Amazon, however it's unavailable.

https://www.amazon.com/transformers-tra ... b0cfzfslxk?tag=seibertron07-20&

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Bumblebee Movie Core class Starscream finally got listed on Amazon, however it's unavailable.

https://www.amazon.com/transformers-tra ... b0cfzfslxk?tag=seibertron07-20&

Emerje

I got an order in last week when it was listed as "Buy now and we'll let you know if we ship it."

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Bumblebee Movie Core class Starscream finally got listed on Amazon, however it's unavailable.

https://www.amazon.com/transformers-tra ... b0cfzfslxk?tag=seibertron07-20&

Emerje

I got an order in last week when it was listed as "Buy now and we'll let you know if we ship it."

You should have said something, people have been asking about that for a while now since it hasn't been officially announced by Hasbro yet (just Takara Tomy). Even the other news sights seem to have just noticed.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Bumblebee Movie Core class Starscream finally got listed on Amazon, however it's unavailable.

https://www.amazon.com/transformers-tra ... b0cfzfslxk?tag=seibertron07-20&

Emerje

It now reads the following:
$9.99
Temporarily out of stock.
We are working hard to be back in stock. Place your order and we’ll email you when we have an estimated delivery date. You won’t be charged until the item ships.

I have a theory about our “Next Gen” Bumblebee who’s slated for Studio Series wave 4 this year.

My Initial thought would have been Reactivate, but with the recent news that they don’t plan on doing anything from Reactivate this year and the fact that the listing hasn’t disappeared like Reactivate Lifeline, makes me think that it isn’t Reactivate.

Now, they’ll often use descriptors like “Next Gen” to differentiate between two Bumblebee designs from the same movie, like Clunker Bumblebee for the 2007 movie or Offroad Bumblebee for the Jeep design from BB. I think “Next Gen” is a good descriptor for AOE Concept Camaro Bumblebee, used to differentiate it from the High Octane design for Bumblebee from the same movie. It’d be cool if we got something for AOE’s 10th!

I’m certainly not getting my hopes up considering how the line has been the last few years, but I’d love if this next gen Bee was the AOE concept Camaro design!

Happy 15th anniversary to Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen!

While I didn't get to see the movie right away, I remember having a LOT of fun in the hype buildup for the movie. I was at ToysRUs the day the figures officially released to get deluxe Bumblebee, and I was actually at the Air and Space museum shortly before the movie came out, not realizing it had been filmed there! While I could do without some of the cruder bits, I really love the movie and it gave us some of the best designs and action sequences of the franchise!

Here's a couple of my custom Studio Series projects from ROTF! I'm working on more; Grindor, Rampage, and an update to my Elita-1 were in progress when I left and I'll be picking them back up soon!



Hope we can see some more Studio Series ROTF figures in the future, I'd definitely like to see a Demolishor!

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Happy 15th anniversary to Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen!

While I didn't get to see the movie right away, I remember having a LOT of fun in the hype buildup for the movie. I was at ToysRUs the day the figures officially released to get deluxe Bumblebee, and I was actually at the Air and Space museum shortly before the movie came out, not realizing it had been filmed there! While I could do without some of the cruder bits, I really love the movie and it gave us some of the best designs and action sequences of the franchise!

Here's a couple of my custom Studio Series projects from ROTF! I'm working on more; Grindor, Rampage, and an update to my Elita-1 were in progress when I left and I'll be picking them back up soon!

ROTF 15th_edited-1.jpg

Hope we can see some more Studio Series ROTF figures in the future, I'd definitely like to see a Demolishor!

Your work is always superb. And while I don't like Revenge of the Fallen as a movie for various reasons, it does have some excelent action scenes and features some of the best and most imaginative Transformers designs ever. The Constructicons, satellite Soundwave, the bike sisters and Jolt are among my top favourite designs of all time.

Twincast/Podcast member Aaarnhide19 has for letting us know that the Deluxe Studio Series Gamer Edition Decepticon Soldier has been found in the wild. This Gamer troop-builder was successfully able to be purchased at the Meijer in Kokomo Indiana. Happy hunting and be sure to tune into the Twincast/Podcast to hear what Aarnhide19 has to say about this new release! For those not lucky enough to discover the Soldier in the wild he is still available on Hasbro Pulse- however the release date is still slated for September 1, 2024.

Excited to get them. These guys will be the first time I’ve ever done army-building, I’ve wanted a figure of them since the game released.

Isn't the Decepticon Trooper based on the Barricade mold, that many have said doth suck?

And I thought the Decepticons in general were better known for being able to fly - wouldn't a deluxe jet-former have been more apropos?

DeathReviews wrote:Isn't the Decepticon Trooper based on the Barricade mold, that many have said doth suck?

He is. but somehow the Trooper retool improves the mold a ton.

DeathReviews wrote:And I thought the Decepticons in general were better known for being able to fly - wouldn't a deluxe jet-former have been more apropos?

This isn't the G1 cartoon. The WFC and FOC video games reserved jet modes strictly for Seekers and Aerialbots only. These troopers aren't Seekers.

I took primal camping with me this weekend, he has a nice spot in the new RV for traveling. He looks very judgmental in beast mode

We still have one more wave in the Studio Series line in 2024 that has yet to be revealed fully, which includes War for Cybertron Ratchet. While we do not have any listings for that 4th wave, Amazon.com somehow put up listings for the first wave of 2025. Now you can't order these and they have no images. BUT it makes us wonder if the toys listed will be available earlier than anticipated.

The listings are the following:

86 Galvatron (only labelled as Leader Galvatron on Amazon). This is a redeco of the previously released leader Galvatron figure but in a cartoon deco. We are not sure if there might be retooling as well.
https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-G04 ... s_li_ss_tl?tag=seibertron07-20&

Apelinq, a redeco and retool of SS ROTB Optimus Primal
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0D94ZDM ... formers-20?tag=seibertron07-20&

WFC Skywarp, redeco of voyager GE Starscream
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0D952BQ ... formers-20?tag=seibertron07-20&

Double Punch, a red redeco of ROTB deluxe Scorponok calling back to the color scheme of Beast Wars Double Punch, with the name calling even further back to one of the rarest Transformers toy molds to find complete, which also turns into a scorpion.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0D94ZRV ... formers-20?tag=seibertron07-20&

G1 Double Punch



Beast Ware Double Punch

It's been a while since we've seen an intentionally rare Transformer released, and even less common for it to be from Hasbro. No Surprise it's an Optimus Prime figure, right? As part of the 40th Anniversary celebration and ahead of the release of Transformers: One, a special "Battle Damaged" version of Studio Series 112 Optimus Prime/Orion Pax has been revealed by Hasbro HK limited to only 230 individually numbered copies globally! For Hasbro HK's part they'll be giving away 40 of them (8 per day) at Hasbro Fans Expo to people spending $3,000HKD ($384USD) in the Hasbro booth.

This isn't the only exclusive being offered. For those spending $800HKD ($102USD) they have "Transformers 40th Anniversary Commemorative Poker Cards" limited to 280 at the Expo (global number wasn't given). For those spending $500HKD ($64USD) they're giving out 280 40th Anniversary collectable coins which appear to be limited 5,000 globally. And while it doesn't appear to be exclusive, 500 sets of BotBots are being given to those that spend $300HKD ($38USD).

No word on where else these will be made available around the world, but we do have San Diego Comic Con THIS WEEKEND (Hasbro Fans Expo will be offering SDCC exclusives) so who knows? When we do we'll be sure to let everyone know and you can talk about it in the Seibertron Energon Pub forums!

I expect that TF1 Optimus to be on the secondary market the same day for a zillion rupees.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I expect that TF1 Optimus to be on the secondary market the same day for a zillion rupees.

Not a doubt in my mind, especially since it isn't limited to just Transformers purchases. A person can spend a ton of money on Marvel and Star Wars with no interest in Transformers and get one.

Emerje

How could they possibly make a more screen accurate Galvatron after the Kingdom release.

cruizerdave wrote:How could they possibly make a more screen accurate Galvatron after the Kingdom release.

A bluer shade of purple?

Indeed, I think it's the gulf between the colors of his original toy and character model carrying over to Marvel and cartoon continuity respectively that makes us so often forget how his color would randomly shift from purple to a sort of pale indigo in the cartoon, since that was a comparatively subtle change. Even though light-indigo was used more throughout TF:TM, "purple" just rolls off the tongue easier, so we think of Galvy as such; therefore he's gotten way more purple toys over the years, making a light-indigo SS'86 Galvatron worthwhile, despite the sheer number of times the Kingdom mold's been repainted.

Sabrblade wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:How could they possibly make a more screen accurate Galvatron after the Kingdom release.

A bluer shade of purple?

... ... Looks like I'm buying that mold again.

I wonder if it'll still come with all the extras like the previous releases did.