Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel
Sunday, March 11th, 2012 12:45PM CDT
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DevastaTTor was in attendence at the Hasbro/Takara Tomy brand panel and was able to give us a recap as well as a portion of the Q & A session at the end.
DevastaTTor wrote:Here's my recap of today's (March 11th) panel at Cybertron Con. Pretty long but I wanted to make sure I covered everything.
Today I attended day 1 of Cybertron Con in Singapore. I attended the Hasbro/Takara Tomy Brand Development and Products panel discussion. Here are my notes-I apologize that they’re a little spotty: was hard to write and shoot pictures at the same time.
Today’s panel consisted of:
- Hasbro Transformers Global Brand Director, Jerry Jiovin
- Hasbro Transformers Global Brand Design & Development Vice President, Aaron Archer
- Takara Tomy Transformers Design Legend Hideaki Yoke
- Takara Tomy Transformers Executive Kei Ikezawa (missed his actual title)
MAIN PRESENTATION - 2:00-2:30PM
Jerry Jiovin was the MC for the presentation portion of the Brand/Product panel. He discussed a lot of different products lines in 30 minutes and included video clips as he introduced each of the topics.
Universal Studios Transformers: The Ride
1. Discussed how happy they were about the recent launch of the ride in Singapore and about the upcoming May opening for the Transformers ride in Hollywood.
2. Showed the Super Bowl spot for launch of the ride in the US
3. Slide for Universal exclusive Evac, both Legion and Deluxe class figures
4. Slide for Universal release of DOTM deluxe Bumblebee and Optimus Prime (with Mech Tech)
5. Slide for Universal release of DOTM voyager Optimus Prime and Megatron
6. All Universal figures will be in special packaging and only available in the park stores in May.
Transformers Universe MMO/3rd Person Game
1. Launching the game online in late 2012/early 2013
2. Jagex Studios primary developer for game, Net Dragon developing game for China market
3. Expecting online and viral marketing campaign coming soon
4. Game features 4 playable characters in 6 different worlds/environments
5. Showed the trailer for the game
6. Slides featuring Defensor and Megatron shown along with some game screen shots
Transformers Rescue Bots
1. Showed introductory slide for the new program
2. Previewed the trailer for the show
3. Several slides highlighting the current product line: individual figures and play sets
4. Plans in place to launch Rescue Bots in Asian markets soon
Transformers Kre-O Building Sets
1. Announced upcoming releases: 29 new Kreons figures and 16 new Transformer robot sets
2. Showed the commercial where Bumblebee dances at the stop light.
Transformers Prime
1. Highlighted all the Asian channels/providers currently carrying
Transformers Prime
2. Showed extended trailer – believe it was for season 2
3. Jerry admitted that he hasn’t been this excited about a Transformers show since G1 during his youth; loves the current story line and future potential.
4. For some reason, the Movie Trilogy toys were slotted in the middle of the Transformers Prime segments – showed slide with Asia-only DOTM repaints including Soundblaster and G1-head Wheeljack (slide also included Movie Ride Evac) and another slide for the Movie Trilogy Optimus Prime with trailer (deluxe sixed, not Con exclusive)
5. Multiple slides highlighting the current Transformers Prime Robots in Disguise figures, one featuring the upcoming Knockout and Hot Shot figures (deluxe wave 3).
6. Introduced the Weaponizers, Prime figures with weapons that pop-out in both robot and alt modes – slides featured Optimus Prime and Bumblebee, initial release Fall 2012.
7. Slide for Prime remote control toys: initial wave includes two cars, Bumblebee and Knockout. Both can transform from car to robot via the remote control. Coming fall 2012.
8. Additional slides for the Prime Entertainment Pack we saw recently along with images of the current Cyberverse Legion and Commander figures (including Ironhide) and the vehicle play sets.
9. Cyberverse scale chart comparing the Legion and Commander class figures to the upcoming Optimus Maximus figure/play set. Will hold 9 Cyberverse figures-releasing falls 2012.
10. Final slide with the packaging.
Bot Shots
1. Describes them as “snack-sized samurais” with singular purpose to brawl.
2. Global launch of figures and online game: March 1. Player vs. player game launching May 1. Games not yet available in all markets.
3. Shows Bot Shots commercial
4. Several slides of the Bot Shot products including the recently released Optimus Prime and Megatron launchers.
5. Put emphasis on the chase variants of Bot Shots-clear versions
6. Showed several screen shots of the online game
Transformers Generations
1. Transformers Fall of Cybertron game will be the big focus for the upcoming Generations figures
2. Showed the game trailer
3. Slides showing all of the deluxe figures we’ve already seen: Prime (v2), Jazz, Shockwave and the Bruticus figures.
4. Interestingly, during the Q&A session, one fan asked if they’d be releasing a more game accurate colored version of Bruticus. Jerry said that they’re actually still working on the final colors for the initial release-are aware of fan comments online.
CYBERTRON CON REVEALS AND Q&A SESSION - 2:30-2:55PM
End of Main Part of Presentation, on to Cybertron Con 2012 exclusive reveals.
• First up, Prime Robots in Disguise wave 5 figures Sargent Kup and Rumble. See my earlier post for more and pictures.
• Next, Asia-only repaints for additional G1 characters. See news post for more.
• Big surprise: previewed 2013 Generations release of Fall of Cybertron Starscream. See news post for more.
Q&A Session
Didn’t get notes on all of the questions but here are a few that stood out-questions and answers are paraphrased below.
1. Q: Are you planning on releasing any additional Leader class figures for the DOTM movie line?
A: No, but we missed an opportunity to produce a Leader Shockwave. Underestimate the importance of the figure in the movie.
2. (This one was a cringe-worthy moment) Q: Third party toy makers are producing some amazing toys. Any plans to collaborate with one to produce what could be the most incredible Transformer ever?
A: No. We do not condone what they do and would never work with them.
3. Q: Any plans for a release of a Generations Fall of Cybertron Grimlock?
A: Stay tuned…
4. Q: What other Generations figures are in the pipeline right now?
A: Right now, big focus is Fall of Cybertron figures-nothing else at this time but more to come afterward.
5. Q: Any plans for Dino from Dark of the Moon.
A: No, Ferrari would allow the license for it.
6. Q: Any plans for a Beast Wars or Victory revival (actually two questions)?
A: They’re working on a lot of new ideas that will extend show into new areas while bringing back original concepts from the past.
7. Q: What’s the working title for Transformers 4?
A: Just calling it Next Transformers movie for now.
8. Q: (To Yoke-san) Looking back, what is your favorite Transformer?
A: (disappoint most fans) currently likes the Prime deluxe Vehicon. (whatever)
9. Q: Any plans to produce the other Dreads from Dark of the Moon?
A: No, movie line is over mostly over for now.
End of Presentation
Will add, one touching moment during the Q&A session, one fan was nearly moved to tear with addressing Yoke-san.
Credit(s): DevastaTTor
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Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357259)
Posted by Starparu on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:07pm CDT
Posted by Starparu on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:07pm CDT
Well some good and bad news. I definitely see them making a FOC Grimlock, and I can't wait to see it when the do. The WFC/FOC Starscream is overdue and epic. As for the Movie line, it was all but known, but now there is official confirmation that No Dino, Leaders or dreads, just the Trilogy Prime and the Asia exclusives :/. PRID Kup/Ironhide and Frenzy (Or is it rumble 
) look great.
-Star
) look great.-Star
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357261)
Posted by amtm on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:11pm CDT
Damn straight they missed an opportunity. Along with the one for a movie Leader Megatron that actually had a decent alt mode. Of course there's an off chance they'll try to make up for it and do those in the Movie 4 line, kinda like how it took two movies to get Leader Starscream and 3 to get Leader Ironhide.
Sounds like someone's irked that they got showed up in their own game. Ok, so they don't want to work with them, but maybe they should get their designers to take a few lessons from them. After all, there's nothing they can do to stop them, but there's a lot they could learn from them.
Posted by amtm on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:11pm CDT
DevastaTTor wrote:
1. Q: Are you planning on releasing any additional Leader class figures for the DOTM movie line?
A: No, but we missed an opportunity to produce a Leader Shockwave. Underestimate the importance of the figure in the movie.
Damn straight they missed an opportunity. Along with the one for a movie Leader Megatron that actually had a decent alt mode. Of course there's an off chance they'll try to make up for it and do those in the Movie 4 line, kinda like how it took two movies to get Leader Starscream and 3 to get Leader Ironhide.
DevastaTTor wrote:2. (This one was a cringe-worthy moment) Q: Third party toy makers are producing some amazing toys. Any plans to collaborate with one to produce what could be the most incredible Transformer ever?
A: No. We do not condone what they do and would never work with them.
Sounds like someone's irked that they got showed up in their own game. Ok, so they don't want to work with them, but maybe they should get their designers to take a few lessons from them. After all, there's nothing they can do to stop them, but there's a lot they could learn from them.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357262)
Posted by BATTOUSAIXD on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:14pm CDT
Posted by BATTOUSAIXD on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:14pm CDT
Last night I was thinking of how much I wanted a leader shockwave and was hoping hasbro might go ahead and release one in the future... My hopes have just been smashed 
My last hope for the dotm line is that HA soundwave will eventually be released in the US...
My last hope for the dotm line is that HA soundwave will eventually be released in the US...
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357266)
Posted by Kamex on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:25pm CDT
I don't think it's fair to make the assumption that their in-house designers are somewhat less talented. Compared to third party designers, hasbro/takara ones work under what i believe are tighter constraints(consequences of working under the hasbro/takara machine), from deadlines, to series gimmicks, to price points.
Where 3rd party developers can take their time between releases, these people have to churn out new molds every few months.
Design can excel under limitations, but it's less likely when there's a tight deadline looming ahead.
Posted by Kamex on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:25pm CDT
amtm wrote:maybe they should get their designers to take a few lessons from them. After all, there's nothing they can do to stop them, but there's a lot they could learn from them.
I don't think it's fair to make the assumption that their in-house designers are somewhat less talented. Compared to third party designers, hasbro/takara ones work under what i believe are tighter constraints(consequences of working under the hasbro/takara machine), from deadlines, to series gimmicks, to price points.
Where 3rd party developers can take their time between releases, these people have to churn out new molds every few months.
Design can excel under limitations, but it's less likely when there's a tight deadline looming ahead.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357271)
Posted by Bullycon on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:31pm CDT
You seriously expected anything other than that answer? Out of curiosity, exactly what could Hasbro designers learn from third-party makers? Exactly what are third-party companies doing that Hasbro is not that fits into Hasbro's business model?
Posted by Bullycon on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:31pm CDT
amtm wrote:DevastaTTor wrote:2. (This one was a cringe-worthy moment) Q: Third party toy makers are producing some amazing toys. Any plans to collaborate with one to produce what could be the most incredible Transformer ever?
A: No. We do not condone what they do and would never work with them.
Sounds like someone's irked that they got showed up in their own game. Ok, so they don't want to work with them, but maybe they should get their designers to take a few lessons from them. After all, there's nothing they can do to stop them, but there's a lot they could learn from them.
You seriously expected anything other than that answer? Out of curiosity, exactly what could Hasbro designers learn from third-party makers? Exactly what are third-party companies doing that Hasbro is not that fits into Hasbro's business model?
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357272)
Posted by Autobot032 on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:33pm CDT
Posted by Autobot032 on March 11th, 2012 @ 1:33pm CDT
I hate it when people ask about the 3rd party products. Next time some idiot stands up and asks that question, something heavy should be flung at their head and then they should be dragged out of the room and promptly beaten.
Why? Because they're going to piss off Hasbro and end up ruining it for the rest of us. Do they not get that their stupidity is a problem? I mean, c'mon. You don't ask the victim of knockoffs whether or not they like it and would be willing to work with those people.
Come on people, use a little more common sense. I'm almost (key word: almost) willing to buy a ticket to Botcon '12, just to be the guy in the audience who flips out and chases down the idiot ruining it for everyone else.
The Dino thing REALLY bothers me because it's Hasbro's lame excuse for an out. We know they've produced figures with vehicle modes that just barely skirted the licenses. Or, at the very least, they could've given him an accurate robot mode with a completely different vehicle mode. Still, it might not stop TakaraTomy from creating their own Dino. Even an accurate one. I just think that's a cop out. They just didn't want to spend the money. I'm finding it more difficult to spend my money on Hasbro.
Why? Because they're going to piss off Hasbro and end up ruining it for the rest of us. Do they not get that their stupidity is a problem? I mean, c'mon. You don't ask the victim of knockoffs whether or not they like it and would be willing to work with those people.
Come on people, use a little more common sense. I'm almost (key word: almost) willing to buy a ticket to Botcon '12, just to be the guy in the audience who flips out and chases down the idiot ruining it for everyone else.
The Dino thing REALLY bothers me because it's Hasbro's lame excuse for an out. We know they've produced figures with vehicle modes that just barely skirted the licenses. Or, at the very least, they could've given him an accurate robot mode with a completely different vehicle mode. Still, it might not stop TakaraTomy from creating their own Dino. Even an accurate one. I just think that's a cop out. They just didn't want to spend the money. I'm finding it more difficult to spend my money on Hasbro.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357298)
Posted by It Is Him on March 11th, 2012 @ 2:33pm CDT
Posted by It Is Him on March 11th, 2012 @ 2:33pm CDT
Very detailed! Thank you DevastaTTor!
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357306)
Posted by Andrius on March 11th, 2012 @ 3:02pm CDT
Don't be silly. This was a moronic question and the Tak/Has response is exactly what it should have been. I would wager that whatever design flaws creep into the toylines have far more to do with budget, size, marketing, and safety issues than with the skill of the designers. I love third party toys, but there is a world of difference between producing a small run of high-priced, niche collectibles for adults and making a toy that conforms to a whole host of regulations and limitations.
Posted by Andrius on March 11th, 2012 @ 3:02pm CDT
amtm wrote:DevastaTTor wrote:DevastaTTor wrote:2. (This one was a cringe-worthy moment) Q: Third party toy makers are producing some amazing toys. Any plans to collaborate with one to produce what could be the most incredible Transformer ever?
A: No. We do not condone what they do and would never work with them.
Sounds like someone's irked that they got showed up in their own game. Ok, so they don't want to work with them, but maybe they should get their designers to take a few lessons from them. After all, there's nothing they can do to stop them, but there's a lot they could learn from them.
Don't be silly. This was a moronic question and the Tak/Has response is exactly what it should have been. I would wager that whatever design flaws creep into the toylines have far more to do with budget, size, marketing, and safety issues than with the skill of the designers. I love third party toys, but there is a world of difference between producing a small run of high-priced, niche collectibles for adults and making a toy that conforms to a whole host of regulations and limitations.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357320)
Posted by Rated X on March 11th, 2012 @ 3:46pm CDT
Posted by Rated X on March 11th, 2012 @ 3:46pm CDT
2. (This one was a cringe-worthy moment) Q: Third party toy makers are producing some amazing toys. Any plans to collaborate with one to produce what could be the most incredible Transformer ever?
A: No. We do not condone what they do and would never work with them.
I dont think 3rd party companies condone what Hasbro does either. Hasbro has butchered the brand for profit and turned it into a joke.
A: No. We do not condone what they do and would never work with them.
I dont think 3rd party companies condone what Hasbro does either. Hasbro has butchered the brand for profit and turned it into a joke.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357325)
Posted by Autobot032 on March 11th, 2012 @ 3:55pm CDT
This is one of the only times we've agreed. And I fully agree with this statement.
Posted by Autobot032 on March 11th, 2012 @ 3:55pm CDT
Rated X wrote:I dont think 3rd party companies condone what Hasbro does either. Hasbro has butchered the brand for profit and turned it into a joke.
This is one of the only times we've agreed. And I fully agree with this statement.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357331)
Posted by Rated X on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:03pm CDT
Im gonna ask the infamous 3rd party question at Botcon in Dallas. Hope to see you there.
Since Funpub lets TF Source sell 3rd party stuff at Botcon legally, 3rd party questions at pannels are legit and should not be disrespected by Hasbro supporters.
Posted by Rated X on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:03pm CDT
Autobot032 wrote:I hate it when people ask about the 3rd party products. Next time some idiot stands up and asks that question, something heavy should be flung at their head and then they should be dragged out of the room and promptly beaten.
Why? Because they're going to piss off Hasbro and end up ruining it for the rest of us. Do they not get that their stupidity is a problem? I mean, c'mon. You don't ask the victim of knockoffs whether or not they like it and would be willing to work with those people.
Come on people, use a little more common sense. I'm almost (key word: almost) willing to buy a ticket to Botcon '12, just to be the guy in the audience who flips out and chases down the idiot ruining it for everyone else.
The Dino thing REALLY bothers me because it's Hasbro's lame excuse for an out. We know they've produced figures with vehicle modes that just barely skirted the licenses. Or, at the very least, they could've given him an accurate robot mode with a completely different vehicle mode. Still, it might not stop TakaraTomy from creating their own Dino. Even an accurate one. I just think that's a cop out. They just didn't want to spend the money. I'm finding it more difficult to spend my money on Hasbro.
Im gonna ask the infamous 3rd party question at Botcon in Dallas. Hope to see you there.
Since Funpub lets TF Source sell 3rd party stuff at Botcon legally, 3rd party questions at pannels are legit and should not be disrespected by Hasbro supporters.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357332)
Posted by Autobot032 on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:07pm CDT
Ya know, if you press the little quote button, the quote system actually works?
Posted by Autobot032 on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:07pm CDT
Rated X wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I hate it when people ask about the 3rd party products. Next time some idiot stands up and asks that question, something heavy should be flung at their head and then they should be dragged out of the room and promptly beaten.
Why? Because they're going to piss off Hasbro and end up ruining it for the rest of us. Do they not get that their stupidity is a problem? I mean, c'mon. You don't ask the victim of knockoffs whether or not they like it and would be willing to work with those people.
Come on people, use a little more common sense. I'm almost (key word: almost) willing to buy a ticket to Botcon '12, just to be the guy in the audience who flips out and chases down the idiot ruining it for everyone else.
Im gonna ask the infamous 3rd party question at Botcon in Dallas. Hope to see you there.
Ya know, if you press the little quote button, the quote system actually works?
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357334)
Posted by Rated X on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:15pm CDT
LOL, Im still learing.
If you do chase me out the room follow me to the nearest bar.
Posted by Rated X on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:15pm CDT
Autobot032 wrote:Rated X wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I hate it when people ask about the 3rd party products. Next time some idiot stands up and asks that question, something heavy should be flung at their head and then they should be dragged out of the room and promptly beaten.
Why? Because they're going to piss off Hasbro and end up ruining it for the rest of us. Do they not get that their stupidity is a problem? I mean, c'mon. You don't ask the victim of knockoffs whether or not they like it and would be willing to work with those people.
Come on people, use a little more common sense. I'm almost (key word: almost) willing to buy a ticket to Botcon '12, just to be the guy in the audience who flips out and chases down the idiot ruining it for everyone else.
Im gonna ask the infamous 3rd party question at Botcon in Dallas. Hope to see you there.
Ya know, if you press the little quote button, the quote system actually works?
LOL, Im still learing.
If you do chase me out the room follow me to the nearest bar.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357336)
Posted by Burn on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:19pm CDT
It's always been a brand about profit. Why would you think otherwise?
Posted by Burn on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:19pm CDT
Rated X wrote:I dont think 3rd party companies condone what Hasbro does either. Hasbro has butchered the brand for profit and turned it into a joke.
It's always been a brand about profit. Why would you think otherwise?
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357337)
Posted by Autobot032 on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:29pm CDT
LOL
If I were goin', I'd buy you a beer. Me, I'd have a soda. I'm a teetotaler.
Posted by Autobot032 on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:29pm CDT
Rated X wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Rated X wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I hate it when people ask about the 3rd party products. Next time some idiot stands up and asks that question, something heavy should be flung at their head and then they should be dragged out of the room and promptly beaten.
Why? Because they're going to piss off Hasbro and end up ruining it for the rest of us. Do they not get that their stupidity is a problem? I mean, c'mon. You don't ask the victim of knockoffs whether or not they like it and would be willing to work with those people.
Come on people, use a little more common sense. I'm almost (key word: almost) willing to buy a ticket to Botcon '12, just to be the guy in the audience who flips out and chases down the idiot ruining it for everyone else.
Im gonna ask the infamous 3rd party question at Botcon in Dallas. Hope to see you there.
Ya know, if you press the little quote button, the quote system actually works?
LOL, Im still learing.
If you do chase me out the room follow me to the nearest bar.
LOL
If I were goin', I'd buy you a beer. Me, I'd have a soda. I'm a teetotaler.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357339)
Posted by Rated X on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:29pm CDT
I have no problem with them making profit. I do have a problem with them bullying 3rd party companies that are trying to please the fans. Im a fan, not a stockholder.
Posted by Rated X on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:29pm CDT
Burn wrote:Rated X wrote:I dont think 3rd party companies condone what Hasbro does either. Hasbro has butchered the brand for profit and turned it into a joke.
It's always been a brand about profit. Why would you think otherwise?
I have no problem with them making profit. I do have a problem with them bullying 3rd party companies that are trying to please the fans. Im a fan, not a stockholder.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357340)
Posted by RhA on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:30pm CDT
Epic, thunderous facepalm.
Posted by RhA on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:30pm CDT
Autobot032 wrote:Rated X wrote:I dont think 3rd party companies condone what Hasbro does either. Hasbro has butchered the brand for profit and turned it into a joke.
This is one of the only times we've agreed. And I fully agree with this statement.
Epic, thunderous facepalm.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357351)
Posted by Burn on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:47pm CDT
You have a problem with them trying to protect their own creations?
eh, whatever, this debate is old.
Posted by Burn on March 11th, 2012 @ 4:47pm CDT
Rated X wrote:Burn wrote:Rated X wrote:I dont think 3rd party companies condone what Hasbro does either. Hasbro has butchered the brand for profit and turned it into a joke.
It's always been a brand about profit. Why would you think otherwise?
I have no problem with them making profit. I do have a problem with them bullying 3rd party companies that are trying to please the fans. Im a fan, not a stockholder.
You have a problem with them trying to protect their own creations?
eh, whatever, this debate is old.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357357)
Posted by Rated X on March 11th, 2012 @ 5:10pm CDT
Heres the thing. The original creators of the G1 characters are not the owners anymore. Some of them may even be dead now. What Hasbro has is a bunch of aging copyrights about to hit the 30 year mark. They dont even own the rights to many names they once did. (Runabout, Straxus, Skyjack, etc.)
Why should I give the same respect to the "intellectual owner" of a character as I would to the creator of the character ???
Copyrights will be bought and sold for eternity. But once the creator is in a pine box, who give a crap about the C.E.O. who got hold of the rights ??? Ill spit on his suit and tie.
Posted by Rated X on March 11th, 2012 @ 5:10pm CDT
Burn wrote:Rated X wrote:Burn wrote:Rated X wrote:I dont think 3rd party companies condone what Hasbro does either. Hasbro has butchered the brand for profit and turned it into a joke.
It's always been a brand about profit. Why would you think otherwise?
I have no problem with them making profit. I do have a problem with them bullying 3rd party companies that are trying to please the fans. Im a fan, not a stockholder.
You have a problem with them trying to protect their own creations?
eh, whatever, this debate is old.
Heres the thing. The original creators of the G1 characters are not the owners anymore. Some of them may even be dead now. What Hasbro has is a bunch of aging copyrights about to hit the 30 year mark. They dont even own the rights to many names they once did. (Runabout, Straxus, Skyjack, etc.)
Why should I give the same respect to the "intellectual owner" of a character as I would to the creator of the character ???
Copyrights will be bought and sold for eternity. But once the creator is in a pine box, who give a crap about the C.E.O. who got hold of the rights ??? Ill spit on his suit and tie.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357371)
Posted by 1111111222233333 on March 11th, 2012 @ 5:58pm CDT
Posted by 1111111222233333 on March 11th, 2012 @ 5:58pm CDT
"Im a fan, not a stockholder." -Such an epic quote that I completely agree with. I will always gladly give my money to whomever makes what I want.
I also think it is AWESOME that people have the balls to ask about 3rd party products, just like I think it will be AWESOME if/when someone asks Hasbro to their face what the hell the deal was with the first edition shit storm. I don't care if they get mad, nor should anyone. They aren't little kids. They are running a business (badly by us), and should know that.
I also think it is AWESOME that people have the balls to ask about 3rd party products, just like I think it will be AWESOME if/when someone asks Hasbro to their face what the hell the deal was with the first edition shit storm. I don't care if they get mad, nor should anyone. They aren't little kids. They are running a business (badly by us), and should know that.
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Posted by Flux Convoy on March 11th, 2012 @ 6:00pm CDT
Posted by Flux Convoy on March 11th, 2012 @ 6:00pm CDT
The ignorance running rampant here is dumbfounding.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357374)
Posted by griftimus prime on March 11th, 2012 @ 6:05pm CDT
Posted by griftimus prime on March 11th, 2012 @ 6:05pm CDT
you suck hasbro. YOU SUCK! no leader shockwave? what are they smoking?
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Posted by Volrathicus Baenimus on March 11th, 2012 @ 6:25pm CDT
My guess is they are smoking the packaging of the later DOTM waves that the distributors wouldn't buy due to poor sales, hence making it unlikely they would buy any new waves of the same line.
Posted by Volrathicus Baenimus on March 11th, 2012 @ 6:25pm CDT
griftimus prime wrote:you suck hasbro. YOU SUCK! no leader shockwave? what are they smoking?
My guess is they are smoking the packaging of the later DOTM waves that the distributors wouldn't buy due to poor sales, hence making it unlikely they would buy any new waves of the same line.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357394)
Posted by Sideswipe501 on March 11th, 2012 @ 7:07pm CDT
Posted by Sideswipe501 on March 11th, 2012 @ 7:07pm CDT
Really hope hasbro makes one of those movie sub- lines like HFTD, they can probly release a leader shockwave in that line, that's how we got a leader starscream!
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357413)
Posted by Dean ML on March 11th, 2012 @ 8:37pm CDT
Posted by Dean ML on March 11th, 2012 @ 8:37pm CDT
At least they admitted in a roundabout way that the DotM line was a missed opportunity. It would cost me over $150 to get deluxe Soundwave, Que, and Leadfoot, which is impossible for me. Here's hoping that these figures see an eventual US release and that they get the next movie line right.
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Posted by RazorSlash92 on March 11th, 2012 @ 8:45pm CDT
Evac is exclusive to the ride giftshop? Man, I was looking forward to picking 'im up, too. Really hope the ride opens at Universal Orlando at some point.
Posted by RazorSlash92 on March 11th, 2012 @ 8:45pm CDT
3. Slide for Universal exclusive Evac, both Legion and Deluxe class figures
Evac is exclusive to the ride giftshop? Man, I was looking forward to picking 'im up, too. Really hope the ride opens at Universal Orlando at some point.
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Posted by Autobot032 on March 11th, 2012 @ 9:16pm CDT
I'm sure they'll make their way to BBTS and eBay.
Posted by Autobot032 on March 11th, 2012 @ 9:16pm CDT
RazorSlash92 wrote:3. Slide for Universal exclusive Evac, both Legion and Deluxe class figures
Evac is exclusive to the ride giftshop? Man, I was looking forward to picking 'im up, too. Really hope the ride opens at Universal Orlando at some point.
I'm sure they'll make their way to BBTS and eBay.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357442)
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 11th, 2012 @ 10:32pm CDT
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 11th, 2012 @ 10:32pm CDT
While I don't disagree that Hasbro has missed some opportunities to create some product consumers have been wanting, there seems to be some confusion here and in this hobby in general.
3rd Parties are not the heroic protectors of Transformers from your childhood.
They do not care to give you the toys you dream of, only the ones you will pay for.
To suggest that they maintain some moral highground vs Hasbro is well... retarded.
Are they more selective and focused on each release? Ofourse, they release one figure at a time.
And to the collectors that want more movie stuff: I would suggest a little patience. Certainly some of these figures will be re-released or repackaged or reused soon or for the next movie line. The movies aesthetic is not going anywhere.
3rd Parties are not the heroic protectors of Transformers from your childhood.
They do not care to give you the toys you dream of, only the ones you will pay for.
To suggest that they maintain some moral highground vs Hasbro is well... retarded.
Are they more selective and focused on each release? Ofourse, they release one figure at a time.
And to the collectors that want more movie stuff: I would suggest a little patience. Certainly some of these figures will be re-released or repackaged or reused soon or for the next movie line. The movies aesthetic is not going anywhere.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357461)
Posted by 1111111222233333 on March 11th, 2012 @ 11:26pm CDT
Posted by 1111111222233333 on March 11th, 2012 @ 11:26pm CDT
I don't think anyone is claiming that 3rd parties are the "heroic protectors of transformers from our childhood". THAT is retarded. They absolutely care to give us the toys we dream of, because those ARE the toys we will pay for. People wanted a classics Devastator done right, and they are willing to pay $600 for him! Anyone who is bringing morality into the 3rd party argument is delusional. It is purely business. Maybe it's morally questionable, but I hold no loyalty to any company, nor will I ever. They are after one thing, and I am after one thing. Plain and simple.
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Posted by GetRightRobot on March 11th, 2012 @ 11:36pm CDT
I wasn't trying to single anyone out. It's like this; I spend A LOT of money on 3rd party stuff (Herc is awesome), I'm just quiet about it. I think a dose of humble pie is over due. Hasbro markets to a different demographic than 3rd party's do and well, lets face it, it's their product. I just get sick of the Hasbro bashing. I want my after-market pieces like most collectors, but I want it to be a little less... in your face Hasbro.
Although what I said may not apply to you, there are plenty of people who view 3rd party companies as the Caped Crusader AND Knight in Shining Army.... and the Peace Corps and Jesus... ok, maybe not that severe, but you get my drift right?
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 11th, 2012 @ 11:36pm CDT
KenjaminLinus wrote:I don't think anyone is claiming that 3rd parties are the "heroic protectors of transformers from our childhood". THAT is retarded. They absolutely care to give us the toys we dream of, because those ARE the toys we will pay for. People wanted a classics Devastator done right, and they are willing to pay $600 for him! Anyone who is bringing morality into the 3rd party argument is delusional. It is purely business. Maybe it's morally questionable, but I hold no loyalty to any company, nor will I ever. They are after one thing, and I am after one thing. Plain and simple.
I wasn't trying to single anyone out. It's like this; I spend A LOT of money on 3rd party stuff (Herc is awesome), I'm just quiet about it. I think a dose of humble pie is over due. Hasbro markets to a different demographic than 3rd party's do and well, lets face it, it's their product. I just get sick of the Hasbro bashing. I want my after-market pieces like most collectors, but I want it to be a little less... in your face Hasbro.
Although what I said may not apply to you, there are plenty of people who view 3rd party companies as the Caped Crusader AND Knight in Shining Army.... and the Peace Corps and Jesus... ok, maybe not that severe, but you get my drift right?
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Posted by 1111111222233333 on March 11th, 2012 @ 11:50pm CDT
Posted by 1111111222233333 on March 11th, 2012 @ 11:50pm CDT
Yeah when you put it that way I definitely hear you. I know that for me personally, it's just about getting awesome representations of the characters I love. Maybe I'll take a piece of that pie. I know it was definitely easy to get caught up in the Hasbro bashing with all of the things fans had to deal with this year. But yeah I definitely agree that 3rd parties should not be viewed as saviors. It's like you said, they just set cross hairs on the collector's market, so their job is easier as far as pleasing their intended demographic.
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Posted by GetRightRobot on March 11th, 2012 @ 11:53pm CDT
It has been a tough year for "Official" fans. Some serious shortcomings. But there is promise on the horizon. Who knows, we might finally get a Bumble Bee. I kid.
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 11th, 2012 @ 11:53pm CDT
KenjaminLinus wrote:Yeah when you put it that way I definitely hear you. I know that for me personally, it's just about getting awesome representations of the characters I love. Maybe I'll take a piece of that pie. I know it was definitely easy to get caught up in the Hasbro bashing with all of the things fans had to deal with this year. But yeah I definitely agree that 3rd parties should not be viewed as saviors. It's like you said, they just set cross hairs on the collector's market, so their job is easier as far as pleasing their intended demographic.
It has been a tough year for "Official" fans. Some serious shortcomings. But there is promise on the horizon. Who knows, we might finally get a Bumble Bee.
I kid.
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Posted by Rated X on March 12th, 2012 @ 2:24am CDT
Posted by Rated X on March 12th, 2012 @ 2:24am CDT
Where did all this "moral" crap come from ???
Im the one who started the 3rd party discussion on this thread and I never mentioned any such thing. All I wanted to clarify is that 3rd parties are making Transformers right these days. And yeah, for a price. I thought I made it clear that todays Hasbro is not the same people from 1984-1988. They might hold the paperwork and copyrights, but they are not the creators. Therefore I dont respect them in the same fashion as I do the originators of the characters. These characters are 25 years old. Dont confuse creators with investors.
This whole "intellectual property" arguement is a load of horse s**t. If the artist who created Rodimus Prime in 1986 isnt complaining about Protector, then who really has a right to complain ??? Did Hercules ruin any chances of Hasbro ever making profit from a G1 Devastator ??? F**K YEAH !!! But Hasbro has been making classics themed figures since 2006. So for six years Hasbro has dropped the ball and people get mad when the other team picks it up. You guys should be praising TCC for doing what Hasbro couldnt do.
Im the one who started the 3rd party discussion on this thread and I never mentioned any such thing. All I wanted to clarify is that 3rd parties are making Transformers right these days. And yeah, for a price. I thought I made it clear that todays Hasbro is not the same people from 1984-1988. They might hold the paperwork and copyrights, but they are not the creators. Therefore I dont respect them in the same fashion as I do the originators of the characters. These characters are 25 years old. Dont confuse creators with investors.
This whole "intellectual property" arguement is a load of horse s**t. If the artist who created Rodimus Prime in 1986 isnt complaining about Protector, then who really has a right to complain ??? Did Hercules ruin any chances of Hasbro ever making profit from a G1 Devastator ??? F**K YEAH !!! But Hasbro has been making classics themed figures since 2006. So for six years Hasbro has dropped the ball and people get mad when the other team picks it up. You guys should be praising TCC for doing what Hasbro couldnt do.
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Posted by Autobot032 on March 12th, 2012 @ 7:31am CDT
Exactly. Thank you!
Yep. See, we're willing to buy Hasbro product, they refuse to give it to us. This is where the 3rd parties come in. Shouldn't Hasbro be making these products? Yep. They just flat out refuse. I'm tired of it, the 3rd party companies are tired of it, and so should ya'll be. (And yes, the 3rd parties are in it to make money, no doubt, but most of these companies come from fans who've had enough of "No". Plain and simple.)
Exactly. Well, for the most part they're after one thing, which is money, but groups like TFC and FansProject really do have the fans best interests at heart. iGear and other companies are just opportunists who just so happen to have what we want and we buy. Oh, do we buy.
Being a Christian, I'm not exactly sitting easy with the Jesus/savior lines. Just FYI. I don't believe the 3rd parties are anything but a fan run business. Bid'ness. While I do buy their product and fully appreciate their incredible work, I don't believe they've done anything for me but answer our cries for the items that just don't exist, or exist anymore. They're doing for us what Hasbro refuses to do. To me, that makes them awesome. It also makes them a target and it has to make them money to be worth it and to fund future productions. I see nothing wrong with them making money off of our wishes and desires.
I'm not sick of the Hasbro bashing. People seem to forget that Hasbro constantly reminds us that WE don't matter. OUR money doesn't matter. If they lost us as customers, they'd still make their money without our 10%. They didn't give us conventions and exclusives. FANS did. Hasbro was more than happy to let us twist in the wind, twiddling our thumbs.
After seeing what the fans are capable of, and "Hey! It's extra money!", they milked the public and us out of money using the movies. Same for the shows. They get a tidy sum from Savage and Co. on the conventions, plus other official cons around the world. See, Hasbro has no problem showing up and peddling their wares to us and collecting our money. They just don't need it and they've let us know this, time and again. That doesn't bother you? At all? At least the fan run 3rd parties are up front about it. "We'll give you what you want, sure. But we need money to do it. Are you willing to buy? You are? Okay. Here it comes."
Considering Hasbro comes to us and tells us they're going to take our money, even though they don't need it, this canceling figures crap is an even bigger stab to the back, ya know?
So yeah, I'm going to bash Hasbro. I'm also not going to trust a word they say, because you never know when they'll kill a figure or entire line, just when you want it most.
That doesn't make the 3rd parties a hero, that just makes them honest. More honest than Hasbro.
And, like I said, any idiot who asks about this issue, is making problems for us. They're going to open their mouths one too many times and ruin it for all of us. That part about being in your face about it? I fully agree. It shows me just how STUPID some of the people in the fandom really are. It's amazing to me how low a person's IQ can really be. It's either that they're tree stump stupid, or completely ignorant to social graces and common sense. Or they're going for the gusto and it's a mix of both. I'm going to go with "it's a mix of both"
A very fair point, however... Doesn't it bother anyone else but me that Hasbro has no problem telling us that our money isn't necessary, but they'll take it anyway? Doesn't it bother you that their only consistent and faithful fans have been US? I mean, some, like me, have been here since '84. Coming close to THIRTY years of fan love. I get that kids outnumber us and they have to go where the money is, but don't take our money and then barely give us something to show for it. Some years, sure they did better than others. Other years? Eh, not so much.
Fans wanted DOTM Soundwave. Collectors wanted to complete their DOTM Wreckers set. Some, like me, wanted their DOTM Que figure. Hasbro even went so far as to produce Leadfoot with Target logos (among others) on it. There's even a Hasbro HK Soundwave. You know what the rest of us got? "Mmm. Sorry. No dice. Moving on!"
The molds have been created! The toys have a buying audience! They didn't even try and offer them to us through Hasbro Toy Shop, or make them exclusive to TRU. We didn't even get a fair chance at First Edition.
Before someone says "Don't you own the figures? What are you complaining about?" Full disclosure: Yes, I do. I was fortunate enough to find a way to import them. Key word: Fortunate. I count my blessings and I'm grateful for them. However, there are many kids and collectors who CAN'T do what I (and a few others) were capable of doing. That's just not fair. It shouldn't be some, it should be ALL.
There are kids on this site, right now. I don't care if they're 13 or 16 or whatever. Until they're 18, they're juveniles. Kids. Which is Hasbro's target audience. Why do they have to suffer without First Editions and DOTM finishers? And I don't think there's a good or reasonable answer for that. Well, not one other than Hasbro's being run by idiotic planning right now.
Everyone should be able to enjoy these figures. Hasbro shouldn't offer them if they're going to take them from us at the last minute. Tease the fans? Eh, it sucks, but okay. Tease the kids? That's just wrong. Plain and simple.
Kid nothing. We will get more Bumblebees than we know what to do with. I mean, it's ridiculous. And outside of a few good PRID figures, the only promise on the horizon is TakaraTomy (to a small degree) and the 3rd parties.
It's always been an issue for some. (Probably more than they admit.)
Oh, but they DO matter. BECAUSE they hold the paperwork and copyrights. You just don't get it. Whether it was a designer or a team, ultimately, they're paid for their ideas. Hasbro either buys them from them, or hires them to come up with ideas for them. In the end, Hasbro owns 'em. Lock, stock and barrel.
I don't respect their business practices or their disrespect of us, but they have all rights to these, no ifs, ands or buts. Creators? Investors? Who cares? Simple fact is, these are all owned by Hasbro. 3rd parties are violating laws and copyrights, plain and simple. (Well, let me rephrase. Not all 3rd parties are. Some are legal and just skirt the line without crossing it.)
Wow...
1.) Hercules did not hurt Hasbro's profits. If they build a Devastator, we will come. The fans flock to combiners. Whether they're crappy, mediocre or excellent, we'll be there. Hasbro refuses to give us Devastator. They could, they just won't. If their profits are somehow hurt by Hercules, it's their own fault.
2.) Praising? Eh. We appreciate and recognize their work with every dollar we spend. That, plus a "Wow, you guys are awesome, thanks!" note every once in a while should suffice. I don't think the 3rd parties want us heaping praise anyway. It draws more attention. If more attention is drawn, it can cause them problems. Which them comes to be our problems because we can't get our 3rd party goodness if Hasbro gets too mad about it.
And stoking the fire with Hasbro over 3rd parties is a BAD, BAD idea. It's only going to make things worse for us. Be angry with Hasbro over what crap they pull, what stuff they don't give us, and their tactics. Be vocal about it, but leave the 3rd parties out of it. There's so much to complain about Hasbro right now, on their own merits. Don't ruin it for the rest of us because a person can't keep their mouths in check.
Posted by Autobot032 on March 12th, 2012 @ 7:31am CDT
KenjaminLinus wrote:I don't think anyone is claiming that 3rd parties are the "heroic protectors of transformers from our childhood". THAT is retarded.
Exactly. Thank you!
KenjaminLinus wrote:They absolutely care to give us the toys we dream of, because those ARE the toys we will pay for. People wanted a classics Devastator done right, and they are willing to pay $600 for him!
Yep. See, we're willing to buy Hasbro product, they refuse to give it to us. This is where the 3rd parties come in. Shouldn't Hasbro be making these products? Yep. They just flat out refuse. I'm tired of it, the 3rd party companies are tired of it, and so should ya'll be. (And yes, the 3rd parties are in it to make money, no doubt, but most of these companies come from fans who've had enough of "No". Plain and simple.)
KenjaminLinus wrote:Anyone who is bringing morality into the 3rd party argument is delusional. It is purely business. Maybe it's morally questionable, but I hold no loyalty to any company, nor will I ever. They are after one thing, and I am after one thing. Plain and simple.
Exactly. Well, for the most part they're after one thing, which is money, but groups like TFC and FansProject really do have the fans best interests at heart. iGear and other companies are just opportunists who just so happen to have what we want and we buy. Oh, do we buy.
GetRightRobot wrote:I wasn't trying to single anyone out. It's like this; I spend A LOT of money on 3rd party stuff (Herc is awesome), I'm just quiet about it. I think a dose of humble pie is over due. Hasbro markets to a different demographic than 3rd party's do and well, lets face it, it's their product. I just get sick of the Hasbro bashing. I want my after-market pieces like most collectors, but I want it to be a little less... in your face Hasbro.
Although what I said may not apply to you, there are plenty of people who view 3rd party companies as the Caped Crusader AND Knight in Shining Army.... and the Peace Corps and Jesus... ok, maybe not that severe, but you get my drift right?
Being a Christian, I'm not exactly sitting easy with the Jesus/savior lines. Just FYI. I don't believe the 3rd parties are anything but a fan run business. Bid'ness. While I do buy their product and fully appreciate their incredible work, I don't believe they've done anything for me but answer our cries for the items that just don't exist, or exist anymore. They're doing for us what Hasbro refuses to do. To me, that makes them awesome. It also makes them a target and it has to make them money to be worth it and to fund future productions. I see nothing wrong with them making money off of our wishes and desires.
I'm not sick of the Hasbro bashing. People seem to forget that Hasbro constantly reminds us that WE don't matter. OUR money doesn't matter. If they lost us as customers, they'd still make their money without our 10%. They didn't give us conventions and exclusives. FANS did. Hasbro was more than happy to let us twist in the wind, twiddling our thumbs.
After seeing what the fans are capable of, and "Hey! It's extra money!", they milked the public and us out of money using the movies. Same for the shows. They get a tidy sum from Savage and Co. on the conventions, plus other official cons around the world. See, Hasbro has no problem showing up and peddling their wares to us and collecting our money. They just don't need it and they've let us know this, time and again. That doesn't bother you? At all? At least the fan run 3rd parties are up front about it. "We'll give you what you want, sure. But we need money to do it. Are you willing to buy? You are? Okay. Here it comes."
Considering Hasbro comes to us and tells us they're going to take our money, even though they don't need it, this canceling figures crap is an even bigger stab to the back, ya know?
So yeah, I'm going to bash Hasbro. I'm also not going to trust a word they say, because you never know when they'll kill a figure or entire line, just when you want it most.
That doesn't make the 3rd parties a hero, that just makes them honest. More honest than Hasbro.
And, like I said, any idiot who asks about this issue, is making problems for us. They're going to open their mouths one too many times and ruin it for all of us. That part about being in your face about it? I fully agree. It shows me just how STUPID some of the people in the fandom really are. It's amazing to me how low a person's IQ can really be. It's either that they're tree stump stupid, or completely ignorant to social graces and common sense. Or they're going for the gusto and it's a mix of both. I'm going to go with "it's a mix of both"
KenjaminLinus wrote:It's like you said, they just set cross hairs on the collector's market, so their job is easier as far as pleasing their intended demographic.
A very fair point, however... Doesn't it bother anyone else but me that Hasbro has no problem telling us that our money isn't necessary, but they'll take it anyway? Doesn't it bother you that their only consistent and faithful fans have been US? I mean, some, like me, have been here since '84. Coming close to THIRTY years of fan love. I get that kids outnumber us and they have to go where the money is, but don't take our money and then barely give us something to show for it. Some years, sure they did better than others. Other years? Eh, not so much.
Fans wanted DOTM Soundwave. Collectors wanted to complete their DOTM Wreckers set. Some, like me, wanted their DOTM Que figure. Hasbro even went so far as to produce Leadfoot with Target logos (among others) on it. There's even a Hasbro HK Soundwave. You know what the rest of us got? "Mmm. Sorry. No dice. Moving on!"
The molds have been created! The toys have a buying audience! They didn't even try and offer them to us through Hasbro Toy Shop, or make them exclusive to TRU. We didn't even get a fair chance at First Edition.
Before someone says "Don't you own the figures? What are you complaining about?" Full disclosure: Yes, I do. I was fortunate enough to find a way to import them. Key word: Fortunate. I count my blessings and I'm grateful for them. However, there are many kids and collectors who CAN'T do what I (and a few others) were capable of doing. That's just not fair. It shouldn't be some, it should be ALL.
There are kids on this site, right now. I don't care if they're 13 or 16 or whatever. Until they're 18, they're juveniles. Kids. Which is Hasbro's target audience. Why do they have to suffer without First Editions and DOTM finishers? And I don't think there's a good or reasonable answer for that. Well, not one other than Hasbro's being run by idiotic planning right now.
Everyone should be able to enjoy these figures. Hasbro shouldn't offer them if they're going to take them from us at the last minute. Tease the fans? Eh, it sucks, but okay. Tease the kids? That's just wrong. Plain and simple.
GetRightRobot wrote:It has been a tough year for "Official" fans. Some serious shortcomings. But there is promise on the horizon. Who knows, we might finally get a Bumble Bee.
Kid nothing. We will get more Bumblebees than we know what to do with. I mean, it's ridiculous. And outside of a few good PRID figures, the only promise on the horizon is TakaraTomy (to a small degree) and the 3rd parties.
Rated X wrote:Where did all this "moral" crap come from ???
It's always been an issue for some. (Probably more than they admit.)
Rated X wrote:Im the one who started the 3rd party discussion on this thread and I never mentioned any such thing. All I wanted to clarify is that 3rd parties are making Transformers right these days. And yeah, for a price. I thought I made it clear that todays Hasbro is not the same people from 1984-1988. They might hold the paperwork and copyrights, but they are not the creators. Therefore I dont respect them in the same fashion as I do the originators of the characters. These characters are 25 years old. Dont confuse creators with investors.
Oh, but they DO matter. BECAUSE they hold the paperwork and copyrights. You just don't get it. Whether it was a designer or a team, ultimately, they're paid for their ideas. Hasbro either buys them from them, or hires them to come up with ideas for them. In the end, Hasbro owns 'em. Lock, stock and barrel.
I don't respect their business practices or their disrespect of us, but they have all rights to these, no ifs, ands or buts. Creators? Investors? Who cares? Simple fact is, these are all owned by Hasbro. 3rd parties are violating laws and copyrights, plain and simple. (Well, let me rephrase. Not all 3rd parties are. Some are legal and just skirt the line without crossing it.)
Rated X wrote:This whole "intellectual property" arguement is a load of horse s**t. If the artist who created Rodimus Prime in 1986 isnt complaining about Protector, then who really has a right to complain ??? Did Hercules ruin any chances of Hasbro ever making profit from a G1 Devastator ??? F**K YEAH !!! But Hasbro has been making classics themed figures since 2006. So for six years Hasbro has dropped the ball and people get mad when the other team picks it up. You guys should be praising TCC for doing what Hasbro couldnt do.
Wow...
1.) Hercules did not hurt Hasbro's profits. If they build a Devastator, we will come. The fans flock to combiners. Whether they're crappy, mediocre or excellent, we'll be there. Hasbro refuses to give us Devastator. They could, they just won't. If their profits are somehow hurt by Hercules, it's their own fault.
2.) Praising? Eh. We appreciate and recognize their work with every dollar we spend. That, plus a "Wow, you guys are awesome, thanks!" note every once in a while should suffice. I don't think the 3rd parties want us heaping praise anyway. It draws more attention. If more attention is drawn, it can cause them problems. Which them comes to be our problems because we can't get our 3rd party goodness if Hasbro gets too mad about it.
And stoking the fire with Hasbro over 3rd parties is a BAD, BAD idea. It's only going to make things worse for us. Be angry with Hasbro over what crap they pull, what stuff they don't give us, and their tactics. Be vocal about it, but leave the 3rd parties out of it. There's so much to complain about Hasbro right now, on their own merits. Don't ruin it for the rest of us because a person can't keep their mouths in check.
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Posted by GetRightRobot on March 12th, 2012 @ 8:09am CDT
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 12th, 2012 @ 8:09am CDT
Ok. Well to all that (I stopped reading like a quarter way dude, honestly) I'll just say, in my best mocking tone "Some but groups like TFC and FansProject really do have the fans best interests at heart." No seriously they do, really, they're not even companies, they're groups.
You are.
Did the Jesus thing bother You? I'm sorry. I meant no offense. I'm a Christian and I could not think of more extreme example of... ok see above.
What did I say? Was it the retard thing?
I am sorry if I offended anyone. It's just real fashionable these days to take stabs at a toy company that makes toys for children and not collectors.
You are.
Did the Jesus thing bother You? I'm sorry. I meant no offense. I'm a Christian and I could not think of more extreme example of... ok see above.
What did I say? Was it the retard thing?
I am sorry if I offended anyone. It's just real fashionable these days to take stabs at a toy company that makes toys for children and not collectors.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357575)
Posted by Autobot032 on March 12th, 2012 @ 8:20am CDT
At the very least, if you're going to respond to me, at least read the parts of my posts that deal with you. It's just rude to skim it and randomly reply.
"I stopped reading like a quarter way dude, honestly" Yep, I'm like a wordy fellow, man. Like, it's not my fault people have like, ADD n' stuff? Um. Like where was I? Oh look! A BIRD! Whut? LOL?
I have absolutely no idea what this is about...
I understand what you were trying to do. I appreciate the apology.
I...have absolutely no idea what the heck you're talking about. O_o
It's fashionable because what we're saying is true. It's getting to the point where Hasbro's even lying to their target audience. Kids.
Posted by Autobot032 on March 12th, 2012 @ 8:20am CDT
GetRightRobot wrote:Ok. Well to all that (I stopped reading like a quarter way dude, honestly) I'll just say, in my best mocking tone "Some but groups like TFC and FansProject really do have the fans best interests at heart." No seriously they do, really, they're not even companies, they're groups.
At the very least, if you're going to respond to me, at least read the parts of my posts that deal with you. It's just rude to skim it and randomly reply.
"I stopped reading like a quarter way dude, honestly" Yep, I'm like a wordy fellow, man. Like, it's not my fault people have like, ADD n' stuff? Um. Like where was I? Oh look! A BIRD! Whut? LOL?
GetRightRobot wrote:You are.
I have absolutely no idea what this is about...
GetRightRobot wrote:Did the Jesus thing bother You? I'm sorry. I meant no offense. I'm a Christian and I could not think of more extreme example of... ok see above.
I understand what you were trying to do. I appreciate the apology.
GetRightRobot wrote:What did I say? Was it the retard thing?
I...have absolutely no idea what the heck you're talking about. O_o
GetRightRobot wrote:I am sorry if I offended anyone. It's just real fashionable these days to take stabs at a toy company that makes toys for children and not collectors.
It's fashionable because what we're saying is true. It's getting to the point where Hasbro's even lying to their target audience. Kids.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357578)
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 12th, 2012 @ 8:23am CDT
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 12th, 2012 @ 8:23am CDT
I'm going to read your post friend. Gimme a sec.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357586)
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 12th, 2012 @ 8:43am CDT
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 12th, 2012 @ 8:43am CDT
OK. I had an idea, if anything I said previously has upset anyone, please go back to the offensive statement, and read it again but read in the voice of an elderly British man. That should help ease the sting.
This comes down to simple issue, an issue many people in the US have a hard time fully comprehending. If you fall victim to this syndrome, you are more than likely, going to deny it. Entitlement. It's a condition this country has suffered from for far too long.
Hasbro does not "owe" collectors anything. If you want more of a say in Hasbro, their stock is HAS and it is traded on the NYSE.
After 30 years people, we still get some aweseome stuff. Did you see the pics of the new MP Sideswipe? Come on.
Yes they have missed the mark on some things, yes they have dropped the ball on distribution. If they are not making the product you want, do buy it. 3rd Party will make it eventually, and more to your liking. I'm just glad I don't have to shell out 3rd P. prices for every figure I own. I like having a lot of Transformers.
As far as the FE and DOTM wave 6 (it was deluxe wave 6 and HA wave 4, right?), thee has been some discussion and it was a business decision. It wasn't personal. Try not to take it personally. Besides, those figures are almost certainly going to make it into mainstream lines, just not right this second.
And Autobot32, so uhm, like chill out man, like, be happy we still have a living, thriving hobby and franchise. Dude, like, totally imagine being this die hard about Knight Rider... right? Not so bad.
This comes down to simple issue, an issue many people in the US have a hard time fully comprehending. If you fall victim to this syndrome, you are more than likely, going to deny it. Entitlement. It's a condition this country has suffered from for far too long.
Hasbro does not "owe" collectors anything. If you want more of a say in Hasbro, their stock is HAS and it is traded on the NYSE.
After 30 years people, we still get some aweseome stuff. Did you see the pics of the new MP Sideswipe? Come on.
Yes they have missed the mark on some things, yes they have dropped the ball on distribution. If they are not making the product you want, do buy it. 3rd Party will make it eventually, and more to your liking. I'm just glad I don't have to shell out 3rd P. prices for every figure I own. I like having a lot of Transformers.
As far as the FE and DOTM wave 6 (it was deluxe wave 6 and HA wave 4, right?), thee has been some discussion and it was a business decision. It wasn't personal. Try not to take it personally. Besides, those figures are almost certainly going to make it into mainstream lines, just not right this second.
And Autobot32, so uhm, like chill out man, like, be happy we still have a living, thriving hobby and franchise. Dude, like, totally imagine being this die hard about Knight Rider... right? Not so bad.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357614)
Posted by Anonymous on March 12th, 2012 @ 10:18am CDT
Posted by Anonymous on March 12th, 2012 @ 10:18am CDT
LOST Cybertronian wrote:DevastaTTor wrote:2. (This one was a cringe-worthy moment) Q: Third party toy makers are producing some amazing toys. Any plans to collaborate with one to produce what could be the most incredible Transformer ever?
A:
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357727)
Posted by Rated X on March 12th, 2012 @ 3:23pm CDT
Posted by Rated X on March 12th, 2012 @ 3:23pm CDT
Im too lazy to find the specific post where my comments were brought up but I will respond on a new post...
I think it is great that China doesnt give a crap about "intellectual property". The term alone is like something right out of SOPA legislation. If I decide to patent a turd and 25 years later somebody decides to sell bigger turds, I can sue the s**t out of him literally. Thats the problem in the USA these days, nobody respects good old fashioned competition. Imagine in the 50's if Chevy sued Ford or Oldsmobile for putting fins on the back of their cars claiming intellectual property ? What has happened to this god damn country ? People are so greedy these days and use cheap legal tatics to destroy the competition. What ever happened to stepping up your game ???
As far as the 3rd party question at Botcon, if it is asked in a respectful fashion, the only people that will be ticked off are the a**holes in the back row who are mad because I dont live in a little Hasbro world with lego men and my little ponies bouncing around all over the place. The question was asked before at Botcon 2010 I believe, in a respectful fashion and it was answered respectfully by the Hasbro team. They refferred to the Jizai Toys Cyclonus as an example of a 3rd party figure put out when nobody even knew Universe Cyclonus was in it's design stages. A few in the crowd were pissed that someone had the balls to ask about 3rd parties. What a bunch of suck ups. Im a paying customer so I suck up to no one. If they put out something good, Ill buy it. If their competition is blowing them away, Im not afraid to respectfully ask them to step up their game.
If the Snoop Dogg was directed towards me, Im flattered. He was one of my idols back in the early 90's. A pimp, a music legend, and an icon.
I think it is great that China doesnt give a crap about "intellectual property". The term alone is like something right out of SOPA legislation. If I decide to patent a turd and 25 years later somebody decides to sell bigger turds, I can sue the s**t out of him literally. Thats the problem in the USA these days, nobody respects good old fashioned competition. Imagine in the 50's if Chevy sued Ford or Oldsmobile for putting fins on the back of their cars claiming intellectual property ? What has happened to this god damn country ? People are so greedy these days and use cheap legal tatics to destroy the competition. What ever happened to stepping up your game ???
As far as the 3rd party question at Botcon, if it is asked in a respectful fashion, the only people that will be ticked off are the a**holes in the back row who are mad because I dont live in a little Hasbro world with lego men and my little ponies bouncing around all over the place. The question was asked before at Botcon 2010 I believe, in a respectful fashion and it was answered respectfully by the Hasbro team. They refferred to the Jizai Toys Cyclonus as an example of a 3rd party figure put out when nobody even knew Universe Cyclonus was in it's design stages. A few in the crowd were pissed that someone had the balls to ask about 3rd parties. What a bunch of suck ups. Im a paying customer so I suck up to no one. If they put out something good, Ill buy it. If their competition is blowing them away, Im not afraid to respectfully ask them to step up their game.
If the Snoop Dogg was directed towards me, Im flattered. He was one of my idols back in the early 90's. A pimp, a music legend, and an icon.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357747)
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 12th, 2012 @ 3:46pm CDT
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 12th, 2012 @ 3:46pm CDT
@ Rated X
It's great that you know where you stand. I may not agree 100% with you, but I appreciate you defending your position so vehemently. Wanna get kicked out of the Fun Pub roundtable at Botcon together?
It's great that you know where you stand. I may not agree 100% with you, but I appreciate you defending your position so vehemently. Wanna get kicked out of the Fun Pub roundtable at Botcon together?
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357781)
Posted by Rated X on March 12th, 2012 @ 4:58pm CDT
Lets do this !
Posted by Rated X on March 12th, 2012 @ 4:58pm CDT
GetRightRobot wrote:@ Rated X
It's great that you know where you stand. I may not agree 100% with you, but I appreciate you defending your position so vehemently. Wanna get kicked out of the Fun Pub roundtable at Botcon together?
Lets do this !
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1357845)
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 12th, 2012 @ 7:49pm CDT
Sweet! I have a feeling we won't be the only ones.
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 12th, 2012 @ 7:49pm CDT
Rated X wrote:GetRightRobot wrote:@ Rated X
It's great that you know where you stand. I may not agree 100% with you, but I appreciate you defending your position so vehemently. Wanna get kicked out of the Fun Pub roundtable at Botcon together?
Lets do this !
Sweet! I have a feeling we won't be the only ones.
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1358392)
Posted by Kibble on March 14th, 2012 @ 11:11am CDT
Posted by Kibble on March 14th, 2012 @ 11:11am CDT
While I think it's pointless to ask Hasbro their feelings on 3rd Party groups and product, I do think it's fair to ask something along the lines of:
'How is it a 3rd Party group totally pwned any combiner you've ever done (Herc)...why don't you step up your game and at least match what these amateurs are doing?'
Unfortunately they'd just respond with FoC Bruticus as an answer...but then you'd have to follow up with:
'I said at least MATCH what they're doing...'
'How is it a 3rd Party group totally pwned any combiner you've ever done (Herc)...why don't you step up your game and at least match what these amateurs are doing?'
Unfortunately they'd just respond with FoC Bruticus as an answer...but then you'd have to follow up with:
'I said at least MATCH what they're doing...'
Re: Cybertron Con 2012 Coverage: Recap of Hasbro / Takara Tomy Brand Panel (1358500)
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 14th, 2012 @ 8:24pm CDT
That's Hilarious!
Posted by GetRightRobot on March 14th, 2012 @ 8:24pm CDT
Kibble wrote:Unfortunately they'd just respond with FoC Bruticus as an answer...but then you'd have to follow up with:
'I said at least MATCH what they're doing...'
That's Hilarious! 
