Entertainment Weekly Pokes Fun at Transformers 3 Subtitle

Transformers 3: End of the Road

Transformers 3: Return to Cybertron

Transformers 3: Instruments of Destruction

Transformers 3: the Secret of Omega Supreme

Transformers 3: the Key to Vector Sigma

Transformers 3: Wreck'n'Rule

Transformers 3: All Hail Megatron

Transformers 3: Beast Machines

And my "funny" ones:

Transformers 3: Rise of Silver Surfer

Transformers 3: And Robin

Transformers 3: Electric Boogaloo

Transformers 4: the Search for Transformers 3

Transformers 3: the Search for Curly's Gold

good job zodconvoy on the "Instruments of Destruction" title.

Lets see..

Transformers 1: The Decepticon Menace

Transformers 2: Attack of the Kremzeeks

Transformers 3: Revenge of the Fallen

Transformers 4: A New Prime

Transformers 5: The Triple-Changers Strike Back

Transformers 6: Return of the UNICRON

Transformers: Primus Rising
Transformers: Unicron's Wrath
Transformers: Power Of the Matrix

I can't believe the "Powers that Be" sanctioned this subtitle. It sounds like a DTV sequel.

here's a list of what i would have found more acceptable:
tf3: heavy metal war
tf3: countdown to extinction (my fave)
tf3: transport to oblivion
tf3: fire in the sky

heck even tf3: end of the road.

Maybe Megatron will pull a The Ultimate Doom (g1 episode) scenarion and try to pull the moon closer to the earth to harness energon.


(Yes, I know it was Cybertron in the episodes)

zodconvoy wrote:Transformers 3: the Search for Curly's Gold

This one.

IN 3D!

amcgrath929 wrote:Maybe it's a Twilight crossover..?

the day that happens I'll buy a baseball bat have one last drink of whiskey and beat down everyone associated with those abominations the actors, the fans and the monster's mother herself Stephanie Meyer for I AM BEOWULF!

I like T3: Rise of the Machines.

Transformers 3: beat the russians into space
transformers 3: the sh!T hits the fan
transformers 3:failure at the box office
transformers 3: no megan fox cleavage"sad face"
Transformers 3: rise of the transmorphers
transformers 3: rosie smokes in lingerie
Transformers 3:one small step for man equals robots stepping on man
transformers 3: werewolf decepticon attack Starring G1 Carnivac and beastwars wolfang

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the day that happens I'll buy a baseball bat have one last drink of whiskey and beat down everyone associated with those abominations the actors, the fans and the monster's mother herself Stephanie Meyer for I AM BEOWULF! [/quote]

lol!

I came up with a few more subtitles

transformers 3: should we see it or not
Transformers 3: another bay movie which means EXPLOSIONS
Transformers 3: thank god M.night isn't directing this
Transformers 3:BURNING JUSTICE
Transformers 3; MAXIMIZED
Transformers 3: needs more Drift
Transformers 3:I'm bringing my own popcorn screw the movie thatre's soggy popcorn which costs $6.50

Autobot032 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Blurrz wrote:It's the Dark of the Moon because that's where the Nemesis is, and Megatron's army.

That was on one of Saturn's moons.

Indeed, you are correct.

Though, to be fair, it wasn't exactly clear in the film. You could tell that Megatron was headed toward Saturn, due to the rings, but it wasn't clear if it was the planet or one of it's moons.

I think the comics stated which moon, correct?

As a gas giant I wouldnt expect Saturn to have much of a urface to offer for a ship to be on, and if it did I would suspect that the "atmosphere" wouldnt have been so clear and free of gaseous drifts.

Adimus Prime wrote:Screw "The Dark of the Moon."

How about "The Chaos Bringer" or something similarly cool? I get the familiar impression that Bay is completely abandoning all TF historical precedent again. Apparently all the TF creators, collectors and fans are wrong about what is really a great way to do Transformers. Bay has a direct link to the Creation Matrix.

I really hate seeing fans use things like the TF history as a way of denouncing the films. The fans, the collectors, and the creators don't know the right way to make a TF film because there is no right way. It's all a matter of opinion. You may want a more stringent story following G1 frame by frame. Let's say I think that idea is the most terrible way to make a movie. Personally, were both right, but factually, neither of us are right in any sense. Bay is making the films the way he personally would, not the way others feel is "right".

And besides, what historical precedent on naming the film does he have to go on other than Transformers 3: The Movie? Until we know the context behind the name, claiming things like Chaos Bring or the Rise of Unicron would be better subtitles is premature. What if Unicron isn't even in the movie? Then those subtitles would be meaningless. Bay chose ROTF because it fit the theme. I suspect he's doing the same with this one.

I think we all shouldn't rush to judgment so quickly. Like I said, we know nothing about the film plot wise other than Shockwave is the main villain. I think we can wait a few months for the details to start trickling out before we declare that Transformers is ruined forever. Again.

It Is Him wrote:

zodconvoy wrote:Transformers 3: the Search for Curly's Gold

This one.

Or! T3: The Robot Skeleton Army

(that's from the Late Late Show, for those who go to bed early)

Okay, here is the REAL issue with the subtitle:

"Dark of The Moon" hints at the cerebral, the ethereal and mystical nature of the permanent darkness of half of our moon. The many plays, songs and poems written on the subject or titled so convey the sense of the mysterious, with complex overtones of spirituality, darkness of the human spirit and our evolved fear of the night. Subjects that are all very intense, deep and emotionally driven.

With that in mind, let us examine the tenor of our two previous Bay Transformers films (hereafter referred to as "TF Films are..")and play "True or False" with some of the adjectives used above.

TF films are cerebral. FALSE
TF films are mystical. FALSE
TF films are mysterious. TRUE (As in: it is mysterious how this dialogue was written. OR It is mysterious how this juvenile, vulgar and racist language is coming out of a robot's mouth)
TF films are complex. FALSE
TF films are intense. FALSE
TF films are deep. TRUE (As in: The cow feces is very deep in here)
TF films explore and espouse the complexities and darkness of the human spirit. OMG FALSE

This subtitle just doesn't work. Not because of most people's immediate association with a Pink Floyd song. Not because of most people's ignorance of the celestial lexicon. It is a fail because it is a thinly veiled attempt to add significance and weight to a film that has a predestination to platitude and low brow humor.

There isn't anything wrong with the films...just don't try to make TF:3 be something it's not (and something no one is expecting it to be).

AutobotTrainer wrote:Okay, here is the REAL issue with the subtitle:

"Dark of The Moon" hints at the cerebral, the ethereal and mystical nature of the permanent darkness of half of our moon. The many plays, songs and poems written on the subject or titled so convey the sense of the mysterious, with complex overtones of spirituality, darkness of the human spirit and our evolved fear of the night. Subjects that are all very intense, deep and emotionally driven.

With that in mind, let us examine the tenor of our two previous Bay Transformers films (hereafter referred to as "TF Films are..")and play "True or False" with some of the adjectives used above.

TF films are cerebral. FALSE
TF films are mystical. FALSE
TF films are mysterious. TRUE (As in: it is mysterious how this dialogue was written. OR It is mysterious how this juvenile, vulgar and racist language is coming out of a robot's mouth)
TF films are complex. FALSE
TF films are intense. FALSE
TF films are deep. TRUE (As in: The cow feces is very deep in here)
TF films explore and espouse the complexities and darkness of the human spirit. OMG FALSE

This subtitle just doesn't work. Not because of most people's immediate association with a Pink Floyd song. Not because of most people's ignorance of the celestial lexicon. It is a fail because it is a thinly veiled attempt to add significance and weight to a film that has a predestination to platitude and low brow humor.

There isn't anything wrong with the films...just don't try to make TF:3 be something it's not (and something no one is expecting it to be).

I'm a big fan of the movies, so I should be all "no no no", but I'm all

I really don't get it...
Why, why, why, can so many of you only complain about anything and everything Transformers.
I really don't get it.

As if something good has come out of your hands in the last, oh I don't know, your life?

Everybody is entitled to his opinion.. yeah... but if it is there just to complain, shut up. Go play with 25+ year old Optimus Prime that doesn't even look half as good anymore as the subtitle they may have come up with.

It is a effing Hollywood movie. It is meant to make big, big, big bucks and it is not made for some washed up 30 something guy who hasn't hit puberty yet.

Go play with some soap, wash your mouth, drop it, bent over and become at least something.

Angelus wrote:I really don't get it...
Why, why, why, can so many of you only complain about anything and everything Transformers.
I really don't get it.

As if something good has come out of your hands in the last, oh I don't know, your life?

Everybody is entitled to his opinion.. yeah... but if it is there just to complain, shut up. Go play with 25+ year old Optimus Prime that doesn't even look half as good anymore as the subtitle they may have come up with.

It is a effing Hollywood movie. It is meant to make big, big, big bucks and it is not made for some washed up 30 something guy who hasn't hit puberty yet.

Go play with some soap, wash your mouth, drop it, bent over and become at least something.

You know, I'd really really really hate to disagree with you, but...


...I can't.

Except, I am 28 and I did hit puberty. Doesn't make playing with TFs any less fun or irresponsible.

And I don't use bars of soap, I use bottles.

Thank you, Burn. I am a mature, post-pubescent 36 year old and just returned to the world of forums yesterday. A personal attack was not a great thing to read on day 2.

F Prime wrote:Thank you, Burn. I am a mature, post-pubescent 36 year old and just returned to the world of forums yesterday. A personal attack was not a great thing to read on day 2.

Sometimes you just have to let the negative ones roll off your back..

Cyber Bishop wrote:

F Prime wrote:Thank you, Burn. I am a mature, post-pubescent 36 year old and just returned to the world of forums yesterday. A personal attack was not a great thing to read on day 2.

Sometimes you just have to let the negative ones roll off your back..

I typically do. This was not a personal attack that I was in any way involved with. I wasn't really bothered, it just reminded me of one of the negatives about message boards.

At the same time, I know many amazing people that have fallen prey to making personal attacks on boards, so I am certainly not going to judge someone for doing it once and again.

Just wish it didn't have to happen.

Transformers 3: Transformers Fans 0

Transformers will keep transforming

Xterminator wrote:

Swiftknife24 wrote:

Mykltron wrote:I think this title is sinister and interesting, even if no-one else likes it!

I like it! I thought the same thing as soon as I read it!

OlivusPrime wrote:Am I the only one that thinks it sounds cool? I was expecting the film to be either called something rubbish or just "Transformers 3". In my opinion, this really isn't that bad.

I concur! I can't stand 'of the' titles and I knew TF3 would be yet another, but I actually like this one!

I like the subtitle as well. It is dark and sinister, as the plot is supposed to be.

Regarding homages to the 1986 TF movie, with the exception of Starscream betraying (and maybe killing) Megatron, I hope they never appear in the movieverse: Unicron is too "out-of-scale" for a live action film (as once said by one of the producers still in 2009), and replacing Optimus leadership by Rodimus is IMO the worst ever story-line within the TF mythology.

I agree with everything here. Don't think Unicron and Rodimus fit too well. Hot Rod sure, but not Rodimus...

AutobotTrainer wrote:Okay, here is the REAL issue with the subtitle:

"Dark of The Moon" hints at the cerebral, the ethereal and mystical nature of the permanent darkness of half of our moon. The many plays, songs and poems written on the subject or titled so convey the sense of the mysterious, with complex overtones of spirituality, darkness of the human spirit and our evolved fear of the night. Subjects that are all very intense, deep and emotionally driven.

With that in mind, let us examine the tenor of our two previous Bay Transformers films (hereafter referred to as "TF Films are..")and play "True or False" with some of the adjectives used above.

TF films are cerebral. FALSE
TF films are mystical. FALSE
TF films are mysterious. TRUE (As in: it is mysterious how this dialogue was written. OR It is mysterious how this juvenile, vulgar and racist language is coming out of a robot's mouth)
TF films are complex. FALSE
TF films are intense. FALSE
TF films are deep. TRUE (As in: The cow feces is very deep in here)
TF films explore and espouse the complexities and darkness of the human spirit. OMG FALSE

This subtitle just doesn't work. Not because of most people's immediate association with a Pink Floyd song. Not because of most people's ignorance of the celestial lexicon. It is a fail because it is a thinly veiled attempt to add significance and weight to a film that has a predestination to platitude and low brow humor.

There isn't anything wrong with the films...just don't try to make TF:3 be something it's not (and something no one is expecting it to be).

BULLSH!T! Its wrong! All of this is freking wrong. Ok, I admit the TF movies arn't that first word, but they are mystical. They changed my life. They tought me that every one hates you when you like somthing that not alot of other people like, and that life still sucks no matter how much you cry! Its a matter of personal preference, but it was mystical for me.

They are mysterious. Because you never know whats going to happen until a few days before the release of when you go and see it. They keep it such a big secret. Again, when did any robo EVER say anything racist? I never heard a single racial slur in either movie.

They are complex. You have to know exactly what the Allspark does, what the Well of Allsparks is, why The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime, and how Optimus and Megatron are brothers. Or it will have you thinking that Sam went to "robot heaven" and was resurrected by a spiritual robot.

They are intense. The first movie...was not as intense as it could have been. But ROTF kept me at the edge of my seat the whole damn time I was watching it! I never knew what was going to happen next! I expected Ironhide to die and Bumblebee to defeat The Fallen and Optimus to be killed at the very end of the movie. It still keeps me on the edge of my seat after over a year, watching it on a small laptop screen it still keeps me excited.

They are deep. I can tell yo're not a person that looks for everything in a movie. ROTF is deep but no one ever ses anything. I swear to hot dog piss there is somthing extremely deep in that movie. But I'm gonna see if any one can figure it out at all. Next time you watch the movie, pay attention to the backgrounds, certain dialogue, the locations, even the over all plot because all 3 of those things connect many times thruought the movie and no one even notices. And it may not have even been intentional, the important thing is is that this symbolism and connections are there.

They do explore the complexities and darknesses in the human spirit. It is really simple. You see somthing from space, you dont know what it is, the only logical thing to do is the blow it to hell. Thats how most people think.

...and if Unicron IS the Moon? I know this probably was mentioned before, and it's absurd, but I just thought of it and in Bay's weird-ass logic, it would make sense.

Geez Louiez...

I love how so many are so quick to suggest titles that they feel are better than "dark of the Moon", yet have absolutely no clue what the plot of the movie is going to be.

Seriously.... its just a sub title.

personally i dont mind the subtitle as much as long as the plot does involve the moon.

im not sure which moon but hopefully about a moon

i was kinda thinking something that when the harvester or when the fallen was destroyed that unicron had woken from a slumber

and i believe that the fallen was a follower of unicron. i could be mistaken

it would be cool if unicron coming to earth was the fallens true intentions of revenge
. even though he lost his life. as so bay wants us to think
well i dont know but i hope the movie is good


and shockwave as the main villain doesn't sound good to me
even in G1 he wasnt a big character and really of no importance

the character i feel sorry for is starscream
in the credits of the first film they make it seem like hes gonna do something big in the second movie but he doesnt

starscream was ripped off haha ^-^

5150 Cruiser wrote:Geez Louiez...

I love how so many are so quick to suggest titles that they feel are better than "dark of the Moon", yet have absolutely no clue what the plot of the movie is going to be.

Seriously.... its just a sub title.

You don't need the plot of the film to see how stupid that subtitle is.

This is all a moot point, however, since Bay's redirect now says The Dark SIDE Of The Moon.

Which makes more sense, is equally cheesy, and more understandable. I have no idea how many people would be outright confused by such crapola.

Autobot032 wrote: You don't need the plot of the film to see how stupid that subtitle is.

This is all a moot point, however, since Bay's redirect now says The Dark SIDE Of The Moon.

Which makes more sense, is equally cheesy, and more understandable. I have no idea how many people would be outright confused by such crapola.

Umm... ya, you do. And there's no point in coming up with alternate titles if you have no clue what the movie will actually be about.
As far as it being "stupid" thats just a suggestive statment. Anyways, you don't have to like the title anyways. As long as it fits with the movie, whats the problem?

...Oh, Dark SIDE of the Moon? That totally changes my previous post. Awesome name.

Peace.

And, p.s., I love the conversations on this forum. Know I am offended by none, and love a good exchange of ideas.

And, to remove any doubt:

I

LOVE

TRANSFORMERS

G1, JAPANESE, FILM, COMIC, ALL OF THEM.

Megatronsdemise666 wrote:and shockwave as the main villain doesn't sound good to me
even in G1 he wasnt a big character and really of no importance

Read some G1 comics.

Here's my big question...what the hell happened to just tossing a number after a sequel? I mean was Transformers 2, and Transformers 3 really such an awful name?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Megatronsdemise666 wrote:and shockwave as the main villain doesn't sound good to me
even in G1 he wasnt a big character and really of no importance

Read some G1 comics.

Damn straight!

NOBODY LOVES WHEELIE wrote:Here's my big question...what the hell happened to just tossing a number after a sequel? I mean was Transformers 2, and Transformers 3 really such an awful name?

Heh, you could say that for any saga with no recurring numbers (Pirates, Alien, etc), but meh...they try to look creative, I suppose (though countless 'of the' subtitles are not!')

But I do remember reading somewhere that studios don't like numbers in titles...Not entirely sure why, but I think it's similar to how they don't like too many punctuation marks (e.g. AVPR: Aliens Vs. Predator - Requiem). But it does explain why certain franchises opt for Roman Numerals (Star Wars, Mission: impossible, etc)

And do correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above!

"TF3: Til All Are One"

"TF3: Heart of Steel"

"TF3: The War Rages On"

"TF3: Mechanical Warfare"

i'm only suggesting here so don't HIT me.

Mechastrike wrote:don't HIT me.

Aww.... *puts away the club*


Some of those names weren't bad, btw.

Down_Shift wrote:That title sounds more like a novel title, somewhat like Reign of Starscream, Alliance, or Defiance. Not a movie adaptation, but still cannon in between.

Until Hasbro officially announces anything, I choose not to believe that this is the working title for the 3rd Transformers movie.

I'm with you on this one. Just because they have books listed with this title doesn't make it a working movie title. The tie-in book for the 1st and 2nd movie installments, The Veiled Threat, was advertised as movie related just like these books are but quite obviously it in no way tied itself directly into Revenge of the Fallen. I'm stubbornly refusing to accept that this franchise is willing to commit movie-title suicide until I see actual word from Paramount/Hasbro/Dreamworks on this.

SlyTF1 wrote:


They are complex. You have to know exactly what the Allspark does, what the Well of Allsparks is, why The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime, and how Optimus and Megatron are brothers. Or it will have you thinking that Sam went to "robot heaven" and was resurrected by a spiritual robot.

The movies, especially ROTF, never explains any of this. I still don't understand how and why only a Prime can kill the Fallen, yet Megatron can kill Optimus. So does that mean Megatron can kill the Fallen? That was never explained. Nor was it explained(in the movies)that Prime and Megs are brothers. Did Prime mean that metaphorically after Megs "death"(as in they are brothers cuz they are both Cybertronian), or that they are related? Never explained. The only thing we know of the Allspark, is that it turns mindless machines into sentient machines. Nothing is every explained on how the Transformers develop personalities, where their sparks come from, or even what a spark is in this continuity. Are sparks their souls? Their hearts? A random power source? If you know, enlighten me, cuz I haven't got a clue. And there is never a mention of any Well of Allsparks in the movies, unless I missed something.

They are intense. The first movie...was not as intense as it could have been. But ROTF kept me at the edge of my seat the whole damn time I was watching it! I never knew what was going to happen next! I expected Ironhide to die and Bumblebee to defeat The Fallen and Optimus to be killed at the very end of the movie. It still keeps me on the edge of my seat after over a year, watching it on a small laptop screen it still keeps me excited.

The only intensity I got out both films were the action scenes.

They are deep. I can tell yo're not a person that looks for everything in a movie. ROTF is deep but no one ever ses anything. I swear to hot dog piss there is somthing extremely deep in that movie. But I'm gonna see if any one can figure it out at all. Next time you watch the movie, pay attention to the backgrounds, certain dialogue, the locations, even the over all plot because all 3 of those things connect many times thruought the movie and no one even notices. And it may not have even been intentional, the important thing is is that this symbolism and connections are there.

I missing something here. Maybe you're reading way too much into ROTF, cuz it's about as deep as a shallow puddle. The only characterization in ROTF is really in the human characters, cuz hardly any of the TFs have any character at all. They just there because the movies are called Transformers. I'm sure if the writers could get away with it, the TFs would have no character at all. Hell, for the most part in ROTF they are just background any way, playing second fiddle to the absurd Sam/Mikeala love story. The only thing I really found complex in ROTF is how Devastator had wrecking ball testicles when not one Constructicon vehicle had wrecking balls.

They do explore the complexities and darknesses in the human spirit. It is really simple. You see somthing from space, you dont know what it is, the only logical thing to do is the blow it to hell. Thats how most people think.

Um, when and where does this happen? Cuz I saw none of this. Were we watching the same movie? Cuz the ROTF you're describing sounds incredible. The ROTF I saw however was none of this. The one I saw was a disjointed mess of a thin plot that had potential, random action scenes and explosions, crude, low brow, second rate teen comedy humor(did we really need to see Sam's mom getting high on pot brownies? Or how about two scenes dedicated to one of Sam's dogs "dominating" the other one? How about John Tutorro's thong clad butt?), and really, REALLY lame attempt at a love story that will now have absolutely nothing to do with the third film at all being Megan Fox is now no longer involved with the film franchise at all. It's a shame really, cuz ROTF had a ton of potential and capitalized on none of it. But hey, at least we got some killer toys out of it.

Call me a Bay hater, as far as ROTF is concerned, I am. The first movie was good, not great, but enjoyable. ROTF was not. Here's to hoping the next one is better, but with what little info we got so far, including it's ridiculous title(yeah it may tie into whatever thin plot they come up with, but imho it's a lame title, and I'm not liking the whole tying the Transformers into the space race either) all hope for me enjoying it is lost. The only idea of this I enjoy is that it will be the last movie of the series.

I couldn't care less what the title is...just PLEASE deliver a quality film this time, PLEASE. I know some people dug ROTF, I found the urge to self mutilate almost overwhelming, i wanted to throw up too. How DARE they put shit like that out there, and its not cos we're dealing with toy adaptations, Pixar can put heart into a 'childs' movie. ROTF had good parts, i wont deny that, but, for example, that whole Sam goes to college section was nothing short of an insult to cinema. Give us a good film, STOP treating the audience like idiots.

a few serious ones I came up with
Transformers 3:the ultimate Doom
Transformers 3: more than meets the eye
Transformers 3: Dark moon
Transformers 3: Dark side
Transformers 3: the wrath of Megatron
Transformers 3: Ultamatium
Transformers 3: rise of the Predacons
Transformers 3: Generations

SEXFIGHTER wrote:I know some people dug ROTF, I found the urge to self mutilate almost overwhelming, i wanted to throw up too. How DARE they put shit like that out there,

Go out and find a movie called Gabriel, watch it, then come back and tell me how bad ROTF was.

Burn wrote:

SEXFIGHTER wrote:I know some people dug ROTF, I found the urge to self mutilate almost overwhelming, i wanted to throw up too. How DARE they put shit like that out there,

Go out and find a movie called Gabriel, watch it, then come back and tell me how bad ROTF was.

Found a copy, very easily, will watch it and let you know if I feel it is better or worse than RotF and if it causes ME a need to self-mutilate.

I want a review, pm'ed to me.

I suspect though you'll want to find out where I live, hunt me down, and mutilate me for making you watch it.

D-340 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:


They are complex. You have to know exactly what the Allspark does, what the Well of Allsparks is, why The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime, and how Optimus and Megatron are brothers. Or it will have you thinking that Sam went to "robot heaven" and was resurrected by a spiritual robot.

The movies, especially ROTF, never explains any of this. I still don't understand how and why only a Prime can kill the Fallen, yet Megatron can kill Optimus. So does that mean Megatron can kill the Fallen? That was never explained. Nor was it explained(in the movies)that Prime and Megs are brothers. Did Prime mean that metaphorically after Megs "death"(as in they are brothers cuz they are both Cybertronian), or that they are related? Never explained. The only thing we know of the Allspark, is that it turns mindless machines into sentient machines. Nothing is every explained on how the Transformers develop personalities, where their sparks come from, or even what a spark is in this continuity. Are sparks their souls? Their hearts? A random power source? If you know, enlighten me, cuz I haven't got a clue. And there is never a mention of any Well of Allsparks in the movies, unless I missed something.

I said you have to know what they are. You have to know alot about Transformers before going into the movie. A spark is like their heart, which is how Jetfire ripped out his spark, and The Fallen's spark was crushed in Optimus's hands. The Well of Allsparks isnt mentioned in the movie, but like I said, you have to know about TFs before going into th movie. And The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime because Primes have a special essense, somthing that makes them Primes, maybe part of Primus's spark maybe. This is the thing about series of movies, you cant really call out a plothole until all of the movies have been released, because you cant expect everything to be explained in one movie, when its supposed to be a series.

They are intense. The first movie...was not as intense as it could have been. But ROTF kept me at the edge of my seat the whole damn time I was watching it! I never knew what was going to happen next! I expected Ironhide to die and Bumblebee to defeat The Fallen and Optimus to be killed at the very end of the movie. It still keeps me on the edge of my seat after over a year, watching it on a small laptop screen it still keeps me excited.

The only intensity I got out both films were the action scenes.

That was you.

They are deep. I can tell yo're not a person that looks for everything in a movie. ROTF is deep but no one ever ses anything. I swear to hot dog piss there is somthing extremely deep in that movie. But I'm gonna see if any one can figure it out at all. Next time you watch the movie, pay attention to the backgrounds, certain dialogue, the locations, even the over all plot because all 3 of those things connect many times thruought the movie and no one even notices. And it may not have even been intentional, the important thing is is that this symbolism and connections are there.

I missing something here. Maybe you're reading way too much into ROTF, cuz it's about as deep as a shallow puddle. The only characterization in ROTF is really in the human characters, cuz hardly any of the TFs have any character at all. They just there because the movies are called Transformers. I'm sure if the writers could get away with it, the TFs would have no character at all. Hell, for the most part in ROTF they are just background any way, playing second fiddle to the absurd Sam/Mikeala love story. The only thing I really found complex in ROTF is how Devastator had wrecking ball testicles when not one Constructicon vehicle had wrecking balls.

I'm going to copy and paste one of my comments from another topic, because I feel like I'm repeating myself.

The Primes are assaciated with angels from what I can gather. Just watch the grave yard scene and Optimus is surrounded by angel statues. And The Fallen was a FALLEN Prime, so hes the ultimate traiter. Which is also why I think they changed it to 7 Primes rather than 13. And there is more to it too though. There is ALOT more of this type of symbolism in ROTF. I mean A FREKING LOT!

Even though it may be coencidence, its still there. Like the number 6 is supposed to mean imperfect or somthing to that effect. And Sam has it on his shirt at the end battle of the movie, but when he has that vision with the Primes, the shirt is blown to pieces with that sectoin missing. I doubt they ment to do this, but its still there.

Optimus has always been identified as a "Christ figure" the guy who comes in and dies to help every one else. Heres how this comes to mind, count how many days in the movie from Optimus's death to his resurrection in the end battle.

So, yeah, I may be reading way too into it, but never the less, its in there.

They do explore the complexities and darknesses in the human spirit. It is really simple. You see somthing from space, you dont know what it is, the only logical thing to do is the blow it to hell. Thats how most people think.

Um, when and where does this happen? Cuz I saw none of this. Were we watching the same movie? Cuz the ROTF you're describing sounds incredible. The ROTF I saw however was none of this. The one I saw was a disjointed mess of a thin plot that had potential, random action scenes and explosions, crude, low brow, second rate teen comedy humor(did we really need to see Sam's mom getting high on pot brownies? Or how about two scenes dedicated to one of Sam's dogs "dominating" the other one? How about John Tutorro's thong clad butt?), and really, REALLY lame attempt at a love story that will now have absolutely nothing to do with the third film at all being Megan Fox is now no longer involved with the film franchise at all. It's a shame really, cuz ROTF had a ton of potential and capitalized on none of it. But hey, at least we got some killer toys out of it.

They do it all the time in the movies! Humans see aliens then blow shit up!

Call me a Bay hater, as far as ROTF is concerned, I am. The first movie was good, not great, but enjoyable. ROTF was not. Here's to hoping the next one is better, but with what little info we got so far, including it's ridiculous title(yeah it may tie into whatever thin plot they come up with, but imho it's a lame title, and I'm not liking the whole tying the Transformers into the space race either) all hope for me enjoying it is lost. The only idea of this I enjoy is that it will be the last movie of the series.