First Look and Hands On Video with Legacy Origin Wheeljack
Saturday, December 9th, 2023 12:17AM CST
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 9th, 2023 @ 5:14am CST
Also, is it just me or it also works as ROTB Pablo's origin?
Posted by Dino-Snarl on December 9th, 2023 @ 5:27am CST

Posted by Stormshot_Prime on December 9th, 2023 @ 8:29am CST
Posted by Cyber Bishop on December 9th, 2023 @ 9:37am CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 9th, 2023 @ 10:53am CST
I didn't like Jazz either, but this WJ looks pretty good. It'll be an in-hand decision just like Bee was.Cyber Bishop wrote:I seem to be one of the few that just isn't feeling the box look of this fig. easy pass for me just like Jazz was (yes I skipped origins Jazz).
Then again, I'm still high from seeing Tidal Wave...
Posted by Sabrblade on December 9th, 2023 @ 10:55am CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 9th, 2023 @ 11:06am CST
I'm curious if there is enough to make a small version of Tidal Wave's warship alt mode, if not a smaller robot mode.Sabrblade wrote:The combining parts for Megatron look a bit tinier than I was expecting.
Posted by o.supreme on December 9th, 2023 @ 11:42am CST
Sabrblade wrote:The combining parts for Megatron look a bit tinier than I was expecting.
I think there was little choice, which is why it was a mistake to make Tidal Wave a Titan in the first place. Should have been CC. Hasbro did their best to serve BOTH purposes, and maybe it will work, but maybe it wont.
Still, I was secretly hoping they'd try to have the entirety of Titan Tidal Wave as weapons for Leader Class Megatron....

You can never have enough (starts at 1:10)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 9th, 2023 @ 12:13pm CST
If there was a mistake, it was trying to incorporate the dumb combining gimmick in the 1st place. Tidal Wave is much better as a Titan than he would have been as a commander.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The combining parts for Megatron look a bit tinier than I was expecting.
I think there was little choice, which is why it was a mistake to make Tidal Wave a Titan in the first place. Should have been CC.
But I also would have loved to see the titan try to be weapons for Megatron. They probably even tried and just couldn't make it work.
Or they could have been slick and made a deluxe Ramjet and have that partsform into weapons and armor for Megatron. Win-win-win.
Posted by Overcracker on December 9th, 2023 @ 12:34pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe we'll get it separately like Brunt or Cog. But considering none of the Armada figures got their mini-cons I'm not expecting it. Doesn't matter much.Overcracker wrote:Don’t see Ramjet there. At Titan class, I do expect a Ramjet. Though Metroplex did not get his, I guess it makes sense.
Tidal Wave will have removable faux parts to combine with Megatron.
It appears there’s an entire Tidalwave in a smaller size, that stores in his torso, and its this that combines with Megs.
Interesting approach.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 9th, 2023 @ 1:03pm CST
Yes, I noticed yesterday. I wonder if this smaller faux-TW is just parts or if it can form a smaller version of his alt mode warship as well.Overcracker wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe we'll get it separately like Brunt or Cog. But considering none of the Armada figures got their mini-cons I'm not expecting it. Doesn't matter much.Overcracker wrote:Don’t see Ramjet there. At Titan class, I do expect a Ramjet. Though Metroplex did not get his, I guess it makes sense.
Tidal Wave will have removable faux parts to combine with Megatron.
It appears there’s an entire Tidalwave in a smaller size, that stores in his torso, and its this that combines with Megs.
Interesting approach.
Posted by bluecatcinema on December 9th, 2023 @ 2:30pm CST
And that Tidal Wave looks awesome. Though it's pretty obvious there'll be no combo with Legacy Armada Megatron...
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 9th, 2023 @ 2:44pm CST
bluecatcinema wrote:So the origins set is finally complete.
And that Tidal Wave looks awesome. Though it's pretty obvious there'll be no combo with Legacy Armada Megatron...
Actually there's a little tidal wave it comes with that's perfect size for the combination.
Posted by DeathReviews on December 9th, 2023 @ 4:10pm CST

Posted by Sabrblade on December 9th, 2023 @ 4:13pm CST
bluecatcinema wrote:And that Tidal Wave looks awesome. Though it's pretty obvious there'll be no combo with Legacy Armada Megatron...


Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 9th, 2023 @ 5:05pm CST
DeathReviews wrote:The minions never found Origin Jazz, and I expect Origin Wheeljack will be equally hard/impossible to find based on past instances of Hasbro and Target's 'exclusive' offerings. We shall see!
If it's the same thing in Canada as it in the USA, all of the overflow of the BWBB, Walmart G2, and Pulsecon "exclusives" are finding their way into independent online or brick&mortar geek shops. Just look them up over there.
Or bite the bullet and pay extra shipping to import them from Canada.
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 9th, 2023 @ 5:26pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:bluecatcinema wrote:So the origins set is finally complete.
And that Tidal Wave looks awesome. Though it's pretty obvious there'll be no combo with Legacy Armada Megatron...
That last photo is the money shot for me. Far better proportioned. I'm also seeing a lot of hinges there, are they solely to fold the components up or is there more going on

Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 9th, 2023 @ 5:54pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:That last photo is the money shot for me. Far better proportioned. I'm also seeing a lot of hinges there, are they solely to fold the components up or is there more going on
It would be very fun and hilarious if the combine parts would be able to transform into a Mini-Me Tidalwave.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 9th, 2023 @ 9:21pm CST
Every time I see that shot my very first thought is a flashback to the moment Scorponok jumped out of Blackout's back in the 07 movie. I'm just waiting for TW Jr. to hop out of dad's back.Sabrblade wrote:

Aren't we supposedly getting a whole smaller Tidal Wave? 1 that could be its own bot? So I assume he can transform.
That last photo is the money shot for me. Far better proportioned. I'm also seeing a lot of hinges there, are they solely to fold the components up or is there more going on
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 9th, 2023 @ 9:37pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:Every time I see that shot my very first thought is a flashback to the moment Scorponok jumped out of Blackout's back in the 07 movie. I'm just waiting for TW Jr. to hop out of dad's back.Sabrblade wrote:
Aren't we supposedly getting a whole smaller Tidal Wave? 1 that could be its own bot? So I assume he can transform.
That last photo is the money shot for me. Far better proportioned. I'm also seeing a lot of hinges there, are they solely to fold the components up or is there more going on
Apparently the components that combine with Megatron do not transform or at the very least combine for the carrier mode.
Posted by Till-all-R1 on December 9th, 2023 @ 10:05pm CST
Tidal wave looks impressive but it's not one I'll buy, just have no connection to the character to warrant $200+.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 9th, 2023 @ 10:25pm CST
The front end is much more prominent on the toy than it was in the pilot episode.Till-all-R1 wrote:Nice to finally see Wheeljack, looks good. Although my memory is a bit hazy on what his alt mode looked like, that front end feels kind of off somehow. Still plan to get him!
I can agree that it might not be worth $200, but I don't think any of the titans are. But this definitely looks closer in value than most of the others, especially The Ark or Nemesis. They're not bad, but nowhere near worth $200.Tidal wave looks impressive but it's not one I'll buy, just have no connection to the character to warrant $200+.
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 9th, 2023 @ 10:53pm CST
I'm not attached to Armada so the gimmick with Megatron isn't important to me, though I'm sure I can use it for another figure at some point. The character just looks really cool in bot mode and I love all the options for alt mode. There aren't too many tfs with sea-related alt modes so I tend to gravitate towards the ones that do
I'm also excited to use this guy as the ship for the star seekers (raiders?) and be captained by Thundertron
And wondering if I should wait and see if this gets released in green
Posted by TK415 on December 9th, 2023 @ 10:56pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 10th, 2023 @ 1:22am CST
Till-all-R1 wrote:Nice to finally see Wheeljack, looks good. Although my memory is a bit hazy on what his alt mode looked like, that front end feels kind of off somehow. Still plan to get him!


Posted by Munkky on December 10th, 2023 @ 10:27am CST
- Origin Wheeljack looks very nice, despite the shellforming and chunky legs, I think they pulled off the idea pretty well. I generally prefer Earth vehicle modes over Cybertronian ones so I probably won't buy him, but it would be good if the next G1 Wheeljack toy takes at least some design cues from this mould.
- Tidal Wave looks fantastic, and I'm definitely buying one. While it's a shame there's no Ramjet (I really hope Jolt and Wind Sheer aren't the only Mini-Cons we get) and the extra parts on Megatron look a bit goofy, this is still the most excited I've been for a Titan since Combiner Wars Devastator.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on December 10th, 2023 @ 10:29am CST
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 10th, 2023 @ 10:49am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Although space is still a premium, I am tempted to add Tidal Wave to my City Bots.
The city mode is a nice touch, I think
I'll probably have him go from being the star seekers ship to their battle station
Posted by Emerje on December 10th, 2023 @ 8:43pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Sabrblade wrote:bluecatcinema wrote:So the origins set is finally complete.
And that Tidal Wave looks awesome. Though it's pretty obvious there'll be no combo with Legacy Armada Megatron...
That last photo is the money shot for me. Far better proportioned. I'm also seeing a lot of hinges there, are they solely to fold the components up or is there more going on
Look closer and you can see there are hands and feet on there. The smaller legs are on the back corner of the larger legs, the wings are attached directly to them, you can see them on Megatron's back. I'm guessing the arms are hidden in the arms.
Emerje
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 10th, 2023 @ 11:35pm CST
Posted by cloudballoon on December 11th, 2023 @ 2:25am CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Congrats Chuck for reaching the subs milestone! Your channel deserves more subs!
Posted by cloudballoon on December 11th, 2023 @ 2:25am CST
Tidal Wave is not for me, not into the designs of the Unicron Trilogy in general. And again, no shelf space. If I can squeeze out the space, I'll reserve it for Titan Nemesis anyway... but I'm still waiting for it to go on sale in Canada's Amazon/TRU. $300CDN + tax hurts my wallet too much.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 11th, 2023 @ 9:32am CST
Tidal wave looks incredible! They really did him justice, and they managed to do best of both worlds with combination and size! Love that he is the titan, he deserved it, and he looks fantastic.
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on December 11th, 2023 @ 12:20pm CST
Posted by Munkky on December 12th, 2023 @ 11:49am CST
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 12th, 2023 @ 2:01pm CST
Posted by Emerje on December 13th, 2023 @ 2:03am CST
Munkky wrote:I had a look at my pending Hasbro Pulse pre-orders today, and at the moment it says Thundertron, Tasmania and Tigerhawk are due to be shipped out next week! 22nd December to be exact, so they most likely won't arrive by Christmas, but between that, my Takara Beast Wars VS Tigatron and Blackarachnia set coming tomorrow, and a Studio Series 1986 Arcee I found for a good price on Ebay, that's a few nice things I have to look forward to within the next few days.
I got the notice from Amazon for Bouldercrash arriving Thursday. I have Megatron and Tasmanian Kid ordered, but I guess those aren't coming yet.
Emerje
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 13th, 2023 @ 2:09am CST
Emerje wrote:Munkky wrote:I had a look at my pending Hasbro Pulse pre-orders today, and at the moment it says Thundertron, Tasmania and Tigerhawk are due to be shipped out next week! 22nd December to be exact, so they most likely won't arrive by Christmas, but between that, my Takara Beast Wars VS Tigatron and Blackarachnia set coming tomorrow, and a Studio Series 1986 Arcee I found for a good price on Ebay, that's a few nice things I have to look forward to within the next few days.
I got the notice from Amazon for Bouldercrash arriving Thursday. I have Megatron and Tasmanian Kid ordered, but I guess those aren't coming yet.
Emerje
This is how Amazon ships things now, a figure here, a figure there.
Posted by Emerje on December 13th, 2023 @ 3:50am CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Emerje wrote:Munkky wrote:I had a look at my pending Hasbro Pulse pre-orders today, and at the moment it says Thundertron, Tasmania and Tigerhawk are due to be shipped out next week! 22nd December to be exact, so they most likely won't arrive by Christmas, but between that, my Takara Beast Wars VS Tigatron and Blackarachnia set coming tomorrow, and a Studio Series 1986 Arcee I found for a good price on Ebay, that's a few nice things I have to look forward to within the next few days.
I got the notice from Amazon for Bouldercrash arriving Thursday. I have Megatron and Tasmanian Kid ordered, but I guess those aren't coming yet.
Emerje
This is how Amazon ships things now, a figure here, a figure there.
I'm pretty sure they get solid cases of figures, it would explain why releases from a wave can come weeks apart I would think if they had all of these figures from the same order at the same time they'd send them out at the same time too. I've been avoiding pre-orders with Evolution, but seeing as how most places had Core back down to $10 instead of $11 or $12 I went with it.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on December 13th, 2023 @ 5:42am CST
- It doesn't sound like they're working on a blue G2 Grimlock... yet.
- There was a brief, not by name mention of Dino King when talking about Core Scarr
- They actually called Nemesis "dommy mommy"... (Link is at least visually safe for work.)
- They said they have way more female characters than most people know about. Not sure if that meant to pick from or in the works.
- Apparently Takara gave the go ahead for SS86 Rumble and Frenzy to get their cartoon colors matched to their names (RiBFiR) after Siege went the other way (seemingly at Takara's request).
- Mark actually said Ultra Magnus has been under represented leading to the SS86 figure.
- Mark used some of Aaron Archer's original concept art when designing Commander Class Armada Optimus Prime.
- Mark was also the one that got Buzzworthy Tow-Line made.
- They joke about only making 4 SS86 Dinobots. They must hear that alot.
- Lots of gushing over Retro reissue pink Hot Rod and praise for that line in general.
- Mark actually went to a dump and waste management site for inspiration with Trashmaster (who was named by their copy editor).
- Tease more Insecticon repaints (but definitely no more Dinobots).
It's a little telling that while they praised the Studio Series line, most of their picks came from Legacy. Was there anything big that was missed? Let us know in the Seibertron Energon Pub forum!
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 13th, 2023 @ 11:46am CST
Emerje wrote:Munkky wrote:I had a look at my pending Hasbro Pulse pre-orders today, and at the moment it says Thundertron, Tasmania and Tigerhawk are due to be shipped out next week! 22nd December to be exact, so they most likely won't arrive by Christmas, but between that, my Takara Beast Wars VS Tigatron and Blackarachnia set coming tomorrow, and a Studio Series 1986 Arcee I found for a good price on Ebay, that's a few nice things I have to look forward to within the next few days.
I got the notice from Amazon for Bouldercrash arriving Thursday. I have Megatron and Tasmanian Kid ordered, but I guess those aren't coming yet.
Emerje
My Magneous and Thundertron arrived sunday, and my Prime, Chase, and boulderclash arrived yesterday, still waiting on the rest to ship, and also still need to open the shipping boxes
Posted by Munkky on December 13th, 2023 @ 12:47pm CST
Emerje wrote:- They actually called Nemesis "dommy mommy"
Ah, men of culture I see.
No joke though, if I had bought the Nemesis my head-canon personality for her would've been a cutesy anime girl who doesn't really like fighting and treats the other Transformers like kittens or puppies ("OMG SO CUTE!!!" for example), in complete juxtaposition to everything else about her. I've decided I want Tidal Wave more than the Nemesis so I likely won't get her, but it's still funny to think about.
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 13th, 2023 @ 12:51pm CST
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 13th, 2023 @ 12:52pm CST
Emerje wrote:The Transformers Team over on the Hasbro Pulse YouTube channel decided to have a little fun between BMac, Evan and Mark and do a sort of sports style "toy draft" picking their favorite figures of 2023 without duplicating picks for their "teams". They're picks were broken down by class as well as a wild card pick in no specific order. While mostly just something done for fun it did include quite a bit of banter between the three that has given us some insight into what we might find in the future as well as insight into the design process of figures they chose.
- It doesn't sound like they're working on a blue G2 Grimlock... yet.
- There was a brief, not by name mention of Dino King when talking about Core Scarr
- They actually called Nemesis "dommy mommy"... (Link is at least visually safe for work.)
- They said they have way more female characters than most people know about. Not sure if that meant to pick from or in the works.
- Apparently Takara gave the go ahead for SS86 Rumble and Frenzy to get their cartoon colors matched to their names (RiBFiR) after Siege went the other way (seemingly at Takara's request).
- Mark actually said Ultra Magnus has been under represented leading to the SS86 figure.
- Mark used some of Aaron Archer's original concept art when designing Commander Class Armada Optimus Prime.
- Mark was also the one that got Buzzworthy Tow-Line made.
- They joke about only making 4 SS86 Dinobots. They must hear that alot.
- Lots of gushing over Retro reissue pink Hot Rod and praise for that line in general.
- Mark actually went to a dump and waste management site for inspiration with Trashmaster (who was named by their copy editor).
- Tease more Insecticon repaints (but definitely no more Dinobots).
It's a little telling that while they praised the Studio Series line, most of their picks came from Legacy. Was there anything big that was missed? Let us know in the Seibertron Energon Pub forum!
This was great. Funny and fun to watch, I hope they do this more often
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 13th, 2023 @ 4:04pm CST
Posted by Sowndwave76 on December 13th, 2023 @ 4:18pm CST
cloudballoon wrote:I like the Origins WJ alt mode but not the chunky bot mode. I skipped on Jazz so I'll likely pass on this simply because I have no shelf space.
Tidal Wave is not for me, not into the designs of the Unicron Trilogy in general. And again, no shelf space. If I can squeeze out the space, I'll reserve it for Titan Nemesis anyway... but I'm still waiting for it to go on sale in Canada's Amazon/TRU. $300CDN + tax hurts my wallet too much.
I’m going to have to figure out something for more shelf space, but I have Jazz & Bee, and this Wheeljack looks good enough for me to get.
I’m with you on Tidal Wave. I’m okay with the UT designs, although I don’t love any of them. Again, the issue is shelf space.
And I’m also waiting for the Nemesis to go on sale. She just does not seem to be worth over $100 imo.
If the best sale I see is $120, I’ll definitely hesitate.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 13th, 2023 @ 7:10pm CST
https://www.instagram.com/p/C0zNOSGOACe/?img_index=1
Transformers Legacy United - Titan Tidal Wave
“Tidal Wave, Tidal Wave, Tidal Wave”
With the daunting chant on impending doom and having been officially announced at Cybertron Fest Singapore, let’s get into the details of Titan Tidal Wave. With the launch of Legacy United, we knew that there was no greater time to revisit this character at the titan scale. This guy was a blast to work on, but we had so many priorities we needed to define out of the gate. As a Titan, Tidal Wave needed to deliver a large scale super articulated robot. As a vehicle, he needed to deliver a large flying aquatic war craft, which needed to be assembled out of 3 smaller vehicle form factors (the dark fleet). Tidal Wave needed to combine with Armada Megatron, to create Burning Megatron and we felt that he needed to have an alt mode that was achievable without the need to separate the vehicles in assembly. I’d like to say that we were able to achieve 4 out of the 5, but in the end, we did them all!
Shogo Hasui (Hasui san) was an absolute rockstar to work with on this project, and continued to find incredible solutions in delivering such a massive undertaking. He continued to push this figure forward despite all the curve balls that we through to him.
In the end Tidal Wave delivers a super articulated Titan robot, with waist, ankle, clever butterfly shoulders, wrist and neck. His chest weaponry all 8 turrets points are articulated for rotation, with the larger 4 featuring articulated barrels and 5mm ports for blast effect compatibility. In addition, his palm cannons also used 5mm ports that can be utilized in robot and alt mode
Tidal Waves color spec is primary based on the Armada animation with a few pieces of influence from the original toy, similar to Armada Megatron.
What are your thoughts on Titan Tidal Wave? Was he a worthy selection for the next titan figure? Our would you have preferred to have seen him at a smaller scale? Let us know along with any other questions in the comments below!
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Transformers Legacy United - Titan Tidal Wave - Alt Mode
We decided early on, the importance of delivering the dark fleet as 3 separate vehicles to align to the original toy, and the consistent onscreen combination sequence that took place on screen. Due to this figure being super articulated, we would not be able to have him transform from robot to combined war craft without separating the vehicle forms. In order to avoid having him be referred to as a parts former, we introduced a secondary alt mode as a battle station / weapons fortress.
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Transformers Legacy United - Titan Tidal Wave - Combined Burning Megatron
In order to combine with Megatron to create Burning Megatron, miniature versions of the dark fleet can be extracted from various parts of Tidal Wave in order to combine. To avoid being left with a partial titan during the combination, we introduced a secondary transformation to the hands to keep them in tact so that a very in tact titan figure remains. The miniature versions are able able to be displayed as mini dark fleet vehicles, that convert into their armored accessories for Megatron.
To assist with the added weight of the components, and to deliver a more frightening Megatron, Foot extensions are included to raise the characters height, along with the ability to port the arm weaponry into the sides of the arms or the upper shoulders.
And additional info from the comments:





Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 13th, 2023 @ 10:30pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 14th, 2023 @ 5:18am CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:So they realized Armada Megs was too small so they include new feet. I'd be less salty about it if there was a way for the feet to fully integrate with Megs.
That's not really it. He was too small when COMBINED. So it make sense that he get extra boots when combining.
Posted by Quantum Surge on December 15th, 2023 @ 12:22pm CST
Munkky wrote:Emerje wrote:- They actually called Nemesis "dommy mommy"
Ah, men of culture I see.
No joke though, if I had bought the Nemesis my head-canon personality for her would've been a cutesy anime girl who doesn't really like fighting and treats the other Transformers like kittens or puppies ("OMG SO CUTE!!!" for example), in complete juxtaposition to everything else about her. I've decided I want Tidal Wave more than the Nemesis so I likely won't get her, but it's still funny to think about.
I have them share a space as a married couple in my collection. If we did get the Legacy show, their wedding should have played a Barry White song while they danced.