Full Details on Revenge of the Fallen Blu Ray & DVD Sets

ahah for everyone saying they perfer bluray is better bluray dvds special features really suck there really nothing tha would make want to buy the bluray version if i had blu dvd collection poeple are braggin bluray is better with 4 times more space but wheres the good special features deleted scenes, bloopers & everything else commentary everyone has that.

what another let down with specail features that sucks ill still buy it on dvd but i expected better than the first dvd only new thing i see is linkin park music video everything else pretty much same or no worth watching the same as bluray version

dragons wrote:ahah for everyone saying they perfer bluray is better bluray dvds special features really suck there really nothing tha would make want to buy the bluray version if i had blu dvd collection poeple are braggin bluray is better with 4 times more space but wheres the good special features deleted scenes, bloopers & everything else commentary everyone has that.

Uhhh, what? Personally, I get Blu Ray for the picture/sound quality.
That's also quite a sentence you got there, my friend.

So... no third disc with the movie to put on our PC with the Blu-Ray version?

dragons wrote:ahah for everyone saying they perfer bluray is better bluray dvds special features really suck there really nothing tha would make want to buy the bluray version if i had blu dvd collection poeple are braggin bluray is better with 4 times more space but wheres the good special features deleted scenes, bloopers & everything else commentary everyone has that.

what another let down with specail features that sucks ill still buy it on dvd but i expected better than the first dvd only new thing i see is linkin park music video everything else pretty much same or no worth watching the same as bluray version

Blu-ray technology allows higher quality audio/video, which is why I prefer it over standard DVD. The storage capacity isn't bragging, it's a fact.

The fact that the particular production of a movie and its features on Blu-ray doesn't take advantage of the technology isn't the fault of the technology, it's the fault for the producer who doesn't do more with what they have.

'If viewers discover all four, they unlock a fifth vehicle, which reveals a top secret message
about the future of the TRANSFORMERS movie franchise.'



If anyone is getting the Blu-Ray, you'll have to share with everyone what that is!

People like me probably won't get the Blu-Ray, mainly because there is hardly an kriffing difference between Blu-Ray and DVD (on a Blu-Ray machine, DVDs and Blu-Rays look practically the same), except the humongous price tag.

The only reason I'd get a Blu-Ray is because they don't have the dual-layer pauses, however my movie collection is filled with DVD and I keep a tradition going! So Blu-Ray can sod off and come back in another fifty years! Only then will I think about it...

Swiftknife24 wrote:'If viewers discover all four, they unlock a fifth vehicle, which reveals a top secret message
about the future of the TRANSFORMERS movie franchise.'



If anyone is getting the Blu-Ray, you'll have to share with everyone what that is!

People like me probably won't get the Blu-Ray, mainly because there is hardly an kriffing difference between Blu-Ray and DVD (on a Blu-Ray machine, DVDs and Blu-Rays look practically the same), except the humongous price tag.

The only reason I'd get a Blu-Ray is because they don't have the dual-layer pauses, however my movie collection is filled with DVD and I keep a tradition going! So naff off, Blu-Ray!

people on Youtube will probably upload this if its a spoken sort of thing or like a video game cinematic, they live for special features like this. and what cool is its not going to hurt DVD sales in anyway, by putting it up.

on a different note, love me some special features! doc featurettes, commetary! AWESOME!!!

Swiftknife24 wrote:People like me probably won't get the Blu-Ray, mainly because there is hardly an kriffing difference between Blu-Ray and DVD (on a Blu-Ray machine, DVDs and Blu-Rays look practically the same), except the humongous price tag.

The only reason I'd get a Blu-Ray is because they don't have the dual-layer pauses, however my movie collection is filled with DVD and I keep a tradition going! So Blu-Ray can sod off and come back in another fifty years! Only then will I think about it...

if you can't see a difference between the two then you've obviously never see a blu-ray movie properly displayed. i wont lie and say its an "OMG MY FUCKING EYES ARE BLEEDING" type difference like some people try and claim but you'd have to be blind to not see the difference. i'm not a techie at all, my blu-ray players and tvs are just set to the manufacture settings and even that way blu-rays look much better than dvd. and as for the price, well at least over here blu-ray movies tend to be 2-5$ more than the dvd version. its not the almost 10$ difference it used to be just a few years ago. in some cases i've even seen a dvd be more expensive than its blu-ray counterpart.

and seeing that "i already have so many dvds" argument is getting sooooo old, my word. i'm not sure how where this idea that you HAVE to replace all your old movies came from but how retarded. of course you dont have to and you shouldnt. blu-ray players play dvd and they still look good and sometimes can even look better in a blu player. so of course you should keep your collection. double dipping is a personal choice, not an expectation or a requisite. i have well over 350 dvds and of course i'm not gonna rebuy them all on blu. i'm just buying blu from now on for releases i dont own.

i just dont get the blu-ray backlash (which is always from those who havent switched). if it doesn't interest you then let it go and move on. but to see these people constantly bitching anytime blu is mentioned somewhere...wow.

anyway my lil rant is over.

as for the actual release here, those are kick ass extras, even those who stick to dvd get a crapload of things so everybody wins.

You know, I actually enjoyed Bay's commentary on the first film, but there's no way in hell I'm listening to those 2 worthless hacks, Orci & Kurtzman.

Am I the only one who realizes the irony of a guy named Yamamoto supervising the obliteration of an American aircraft carrier? Even if it is only SFX?

Bouncy X wrote:if you can't see a difference between the two then you've obviously never see a blu-ray movie properly displayed. i wont lie and say its an "OMG MY **** EYES ARE BLEEDING" type difference like some people try and claim but you'd have to be blind to not see the difference. i'm not a techie at all, my blu-ray players and tvs are just set to the manufacture settings and even that way blu-rays look much better than dvd. and as for the price, well at least over here blu-ray movies tend to be 2-5$ more than the dvd version. its not the almost 10$ difference it used to be just a few years ago. in some cases i've even seen a dvd be more expensive than its blu-ray counterpart.

and seeing that "i already have so many dvds" argument is getting sooooo old, my word. i'm not sure how where this idea that you HAVE to replace all your old movies came from but how retarded. of course you dont have to and you shouldnt. blu-ray players play dvd and they still look good and sometimes can even look better in a blu player. so of course you should keep your collection. double dipping is a personal choice, not an expectation or a requisite. i have well over 350 dvds and of course i'm not gonna rebuy them all on blu. i'm just buying blu from now on for releases i dont own.

i just dont get the blu-ray backlash (which is always from those who havent switched). if it doesn't interest you then let it go and move on. but to see these people constantly bitching anytime blu is mentioned somewhere...wow.

anyway my lil rant is over.

I will definitely be doing the BD over the DVD because the quality is much, much better on my setup. As for those that don't think BD is better. Let me just give you the full specs. DVD=480 pixels per inch with a max of 6.1 digital sound(and very few movies have that, usually 5.1 or simply stereo surround(4.1). BD=1080-1200 pixels per inch with 7.1 surround available and 8.1 being worked on right now. If you combine a good BD system with an ambient lighting tech monitor/tv it is absolutely amazing!!!! I am a tech professional and you can believe me when I say it is at least 100% better. Now i'll tell you I don't have some new state of the art system I watch my BD/DVDs on. In fact it's a little over a year old, so i'm sure they have better quality now.


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Interested in what's the secret msg on Blue-ray with the unlocked TF as well

Bouncy X wrote:

Swiftknife24 wrote:People like me probably won't get the Blu-Ray, mainly because there is hardly an kriffing difference between Blu-Ray and DVD (on a Blu-Ray machine, DVDs and Blu-Rays look practically the same), except the humongous price tag.

The only reason I'd get a Blu-Ray is because they don't have the dual-layer pauses, however my movie collection is filled with DVD and I keep a tradition going! So Blu-Ray can sod off and come back in another fifty years! Only then will I think about it...

if you can't see a difference between the two then you've obviously never see a blu-ray movie properly displayed. i wont lie and say its an "OMG MY **** EYES ARE BLEEDING" type difference like some people try and claim but you'd have to be blind to not see the difference. i'm not a techie at all, my blu-ray players and tvs are just set to the manufacture settings and even that way blu-rays look much better than dvd. and as for the price, well at least over here blu-ray movies tend to be 2-5$ more than the dvd version. its not the almost 10$ difference it used to be just a few years ago. in some cases i've even seen a dvd be more expensive than its blu-ray counterpart.

and seeing that "i already have so many dvds" argument is getting sooooo old, my word. i'm not sure how where this idea that you HAVE to replace all your old movies came from but how retarded. of course you dont have to and you shouldnt. blu-ray players play dvd and they still look good and sometimes can even look better in a blu player. so of course you should keep your collection. double dipping is a personal choice, not an expectation or a requisite. i have well over 350 dvds and of course i'm not gonna rebuy them all on blu. i'm just buying blu from now on for releases i dont own.

i just dont get the blu-ray backlash (which is always from those who havent switched). if it doesn't interest you then let it go and move on. but to see these people constantly bitching anytime blu is mentioned somewhere...wow.

anyway my lil rant is over.

as for the actual release here, those are kick ass extras, even those who stick to dvd get a crapload of things so everybody wins.

Not true at all. I've got a beautiful Blu-Ray DVD player. The problem is it's too good of a machine. It upconverts regular DVDs so for the average consumer, there is little difference between watching the DVD version against the Blu-Ray version.

I did recently receive the Blu-Ray version of Transformers The Movie (1986) from Madman Entertainment in Australia. They sent me a promotional copy. Omigod, the movie is absolutely frikkin' beautiful. It's about as flawless as the movie will ever get. It's really the first movie where I've seen the regular DVD version and compared it to the Blu-Ray version and truly noticed a difference.

If I hook up my regular DVD player that does not upconvert the DVD, then yes, I can most certainly notice the difference.

If the DVD player companies did anything wrong as far as the Blu-Ray agenda goes, it's upconverting the old DVDs to look better on the newer DVD players. For most movies, I'm extremely content watching regular DVDs on my 56" DLP TV. If they really wanted to push us to watch Blu-Ray, they wouldn't have upconverted old DVDs. I'd rather save $10 per movie than spend $10 on something I can barely notice and doesn't really affect my movie watching experience.

I bought Dark Knight on Blu-Ray. Regretted it. Really wished I had bought it on regular DVD so that I can watch it on other TVs in my house. I think that's my biggest gripe about Blu-Ray. I don't plan on buying a Blu-Ray player for anywhere else in my house such as the master bedroom, my daughter's room (ok, she's only 4 months old now but you get my point), nor for my TV in the basement next to my gallery setup. I'd rather just have the regular DVD version so that I can watch a movie anywhere in my house.

I'm also a little hesitant about "investing" too much into owning Blu-Ray DVDs after getting burned on the HD DVD experience.

As for ROTF, I'll probably end up buying every version of it like I did with the first Transformers movie. Blu-Ray, 2-disc special edition ... whichever ones have different packaging. So the conversation is moot for me as far as ROTF goes, but I certainly understand where the regular DVD lovers stand.

Thanks, JRFitzpatrick7!

And thank *you* Seibertron!

And to you, Bouncy X, I have watched both Blu-Ray and DVD and hardly a difference on the Blu-Ray player, because, like Seibertron states, it's the Blu-Ray PLAYER; it does for DVDs what the PS2 does for PS1 games. In fact, I'm not a techie, either, but the Blu-Ray films that my Dad has have all these horrible little lines that appear around picture edges (yes, with all the right settings), so I have one valid point for preferring DVD at least; clarity.

By the way, the player in question is a virtually new £400 Sony and it locks up every now and then; crashes like a computer halfway through a film. Freezes dead. It's like all this converting to digital rubbish on TV. Digital channels provide rubbish, pixelated quality and they freeze every so often (digital is too young). Combine these two and this is the way we're heading? Joy...

Entertainment? No, it's kriffing annoying!

Anyway, that's MY rant over!

Swiftknife24 wrote:Thanks, JRFitzpatrick7!

And thank *you* Seibertron!

And to you, Bouncy X, I have watched both Blu-Ray and DVD and hardly a difference on the Blu-Ray player, because, like Seibertron states, it's the Blu-Ray PLAYER; it does for DVDs what the PS2 does for PS1 games. In fact, I'm not a techie, either, but the Blu-Ray films that my Dad has have all these horrible little lines that appear around picture edges (yes, with all the right settings), so I have one valid point for preferring DVD at least; clarity.

Sounds like something is wrong with your Blu-Ray player, to be honest. You shouldn't be seeing horrible little lines that appear around the picture edges.

Or maybe it has to do with how the player is hooked up to your HD TV. What kind of wires are you using to connect the player to the TV? Regular red/yellow/white AV wires, green/blue/red component wires with red/white audio wires, or HDMI wires? I'm using HDMI wires for all of my HD components and it all looks beautiful.

Swiftknife24 wrote:By the way, the player in question is a virtually new £400 Sony and it locks up every now and then; crashes like a computer halfway through a film. Freezes dead. It's like all this converting to digital rubbish on TV. Digital channels provide rubbish, pixelated quality and they freeze every so often (digital is too young). Combine these two and this is the way we're heading? Joy...

Entertainment? No, it's kriffing annoying!

Anyway, that's MY rant over!

Or perhaps something wrong with your digital TV. Do you have cable or satellite? I have HD TV through Dish Network and the quality is absolutely beautiful over regular channels on my big screen TV. Are you watching HD TV programming on an HD TV or on an old school TV? Seems like something might not be quite right if you're having this much difficulty with the newer technology.

Anyone else in Europe having the same difficulties as Swiftknife24?

I just purchased a blu ray player two weeks ago. The first movies I went out and rented were Transformers, Wall-e, Cars and Beowulf.

I think the quality really depends on the movie you are watching. Transformers was by far the biggest disappointment after seeing some of the Pixar stuff because it is very grainy. I wanted to see sleek, shiny Optimus Prime but instead the film is shot with the grainy look so it, imo, defeated the whole purpose. You can see a lot of posts on bluray.com that also scored the picture quality very low.

However I did notice that the audio was far better, even on my regular TV. I have seen the movie probably 10 times and I could hear little background sounds and voices far better than before.

The extra features were ok but really they just tell you in a very PC way of how much of an ass Michael Bay is to work with.

How come there isn't a featurette on about how fuckin bad this movie was, i mean come on there is all these special features about the behind the scenes and shit and the making of robots like if the movie was any good. In my opinion they should just sell the movie as a single disc because this movie is considered the worst movie of 2009

chevymantf wrote:How come there isn't a featurette on about how **** bad this movie was, i mean come on there is all these special features about the behind the scenes and shit and the making of robots like if the movie was any good. In my opinion they should just sell the movie as a single disc because this movie is considered the worst movie of 2009

Well, no one is saying that it was a masterpiece in film making, but it was fun to watch. Having said that, if you were just trying to douche-out to get a reaction, then I hope I satisfied your odd, little fantasy.

Try watching Transformers and The Dark Knight on a 120mhz tv.... You'll see a difference then
Saying there is no difference between Blu Rand dvd is just denial..Plain and simple..

I wonder which version is going to come with the Best Buy exclusive?.. Getting the Op bust is cool and a gift card to Sideshow collectibles($50?) and the movie for $50 usd is a killer deal. Especially when you have $10 bucks in reward certificates to use

LiKwid wrote:Try watching Transformers and The Dark Knight on a 120mhz tv.... You'll see a difference then
Saying there is no difference between Blu Rand dvd is just denial..Plain and simple..

I wonder which version is going to come with the Best Buy exclusive?.. Getting the Op bust is cool and a gift card to Sideshow collectibles($50?) and the movie for $50 usd is a killer deal. Especially when you have $10 bucks in reward certificates to use

We're not saying there's not a difference. We're just saying that the DVD upconverting makes regular DVDs a nice enough quality that the difference between regular DVD and a Blu-Ray DVD is minimal to the average consumer and not worth the extra $10 per disc.

I have to ask again ... how are you guys connecting your DVD / Blu-Ray players to your TV? Upconverting only happens with HDMI wires. If you have a DVD player hooked up to your TV with component or AV wires, you aren't viewing an upconverted image from your player so it's not even a fair comparison to Blu-Ray.

Seibertron wrote:

Swiftknife24 wrote:Thanks, JRFitzpatrick7!

And thank *you* Seibertron!

And to you, Bouncy X, I have watched both Blu-Ray and DVD and hardly a difference on the Blu-Ray player, because, like Seibertron states, it's the Blu-Ray PLAYER; it does for DVDs what the PS2 does for PS1 games. In fact, I'm not a techie, either, but the Blu-Ray films that my Dad has have all these horrible little lines that appear around picture edges (yes, with all the right settings), so I have one valid point for preferring DVD at least; clarity.

Sounds like something is wrong with your Blu-Ray player, to be honest. You shouldn't be seeing horrible little lines that appear around the picture edges.

Or maybe it has to do with how the player is hooked up to your HD TV. What kind of wires are you using to connect the player to the TV? Regular red/yellow/white AV wires, green/blue/red component wires with red/white audio wires, or HDMI wires? I'm using HDMI wires for all of my HD components and it all looks beautiful.

Swiftknife24 wrote:By the way, the player in question is a virtually new £400 Sony and it locks up every now and then; crashes like a computer halfway through a film. Freezes dead. It's like all this converting to digital rubbish on TV. Digital channels provide rubbish, pixelated quality and they freeze every so often (digital is too young). Combine these two and this is the way we're heading? Joy...

Entertainment? No, it's kriffing annoying!

Anyway, that's MY rant over!

Or perhaps something wrong with your digital TV. Do you have cable or satellite? I have HD TV through Dish Network and the quality is absolutely beautiful over regular channels on my big screen TV. Are you watching HD TV programming on an HD TV or on an old school TV? Seems like something might not be quite right if you're having this much difficulty with the newer technology.

Anyone else in Europe having the same difficulties as Swiftknife24?

We have a 46 inch viera plasma and the Blu-Ray is hooked up via a good quality HDMI cable. We don't have cable/sattelite TV, just analogue and digital. I have seen HD programming through a relatives satellite service and I do agree that that's the only way to watch HD, because it is sharper than Sideswipe!

Other than that, can't tell you much else, Seibertron!

Perhaps I need Energon...

I'm surprised to see so many people beating on Blu-ray. I've been watching blu-ray for over a year now, and the difference is always obvious. Unless you prefer digital distribution, I really see no reason in getting DVDs over Blu-ray. If I'm building up a movie collection I want the best quality. Most players play DVDs too, so I don't see a problem owning two formats.

Live action looks grainy because it's shot on film. If you want to see how much of a difference Blu-ray is, go look at Pixar films.

whoever has the most schwag with their BR is the one I'm getting. Target, wally, Suncoast/FYE or some other place if they can top them. If everyone's exclusives suck, I'll have my friend at Paramount buy it at the store.

Seibertron wrote:

Bouncy X wrote:

Swiftknife24 wrote:People like me probably won't get the Blu-Ray, mainly because there is hardly an kriffing difference between Blu-Ray and DVD (on a Blu-Ray machine, DVDs and Blu-Rays look practically the same), except the humongous price tag.

The only reason I'd get a Blu-Ray is because they don't have the dual-layer pauses, however my movie collection is filled with DVD and I keep a tradition going! So Blu-Ray can sod off and come back in another fifty years! Only then will I think about it...

if you can't see a difference between the two then you've obviously never see a blu-ray movie properly displayed. i wont lie and say its an "OMG MY **** EYES ARE BLEEDING" type difference like some people try and claim but you'd have to be blind to not see the difference. i'm not a techie at all, my blu-ray players and tvs are just set to the manufacture settings and even that way blu-rays look much better than dvd. and as for the price, well at least over here blu-ray movies tend to be 2-5$ more than the dvd version. its not the almost 10$ difference it used to be just a few years ago. in some cases i've even seen a dvd be more expensive than its blu-ray counterpart.

and seeing that "i already have so many dvds" argument is getting sooooo old, my word. i'm not sure how where this idea that you HAVE to replace all your old movies came from but how retarded. of course you dont have to and you shouldnt. blu-ray players play dvd and they still look good and sometimes can even look better in a blu player. so of course you should keep your collection. double dipping is a personal choice, not an expectation or a requisite. i have well over 350 dvds and of course i'm not gonna rebuy them all on blu. i'm just buying blu from now on for releases i dont own.

i just dont get the blu-ray backlash (which is always from those who havent switched). if it doesn't interest you then let it go and move on. but to see these people constantly bitching anytime blu is mentioned somewhere...wow.

anyway my lil rant is over.

as for the actual release here, those are kick ass extras, even those who stick to dvd get a crapload of things so everybody wins.

Not true at all. I've got a beautiful Blu-Ray DVD player. The problem is it's too good of a machine. It upconverts regular DVDs so for the average consumer, there is little difference between watching the DVD version against the Blu-Ray version.

I did recently receive the Blu-Ray version of Transformers The Movie (1986) from Madman Entertainment in Australia. They sent me a promotional copy. Omigod, the movie is absolutely frikkin' beautiful. It's about as flawless as the movie will ever get. It's really the first movie where I've seen the regular DVD version and compared it to the Blu-Ray version and truly noticed a difference.

If I hook up my regular DVD player that does not upconvert the DVD, then yes, I can most certainly notice the difference.

If the DVD player companies did anything wrong as far as the Blu-Ray agenda goes, it's upconverting the old DVDs to look better on the newer DVD players. For most movies, I'm extremely content watching regular DVDs on my 56" DLP TV. If they really wanted to push us to watch Blu-Ray, they wouldn't have upconverted old DVDs. I'd rather save $10 per movie than spend $10 on something I can barely notice and doesn't really affect my movie watching experience.

I bought Dark Knight on Blu-Ray. Regretted it. Really wished I had bought it on regular DVD so that I can watch it on other TVs in my house. I think that's my biggest gripe about Blu-Ray. I don't plan on buying a Blu-Ray player for anywhere else in my house such as the master bedroom, my daughter's room (ok, she's only 4 months old now but you get my point), nor for my TV in the basement next to my gallery setup. I'd rather just have the regular DVD version so that I can watch a movie anywhere in my house.

I'm also a little hesitant about "investing" too much into owning Blu-Ray DVDs after getting burned on the HD DVD experience.

As for ROTF, I'll probably end up buying every version of it like I did with the first Transformers movie. Blu-Ray, 2-disc special edition ... whichever ones have different packaging. So the conversation is moot for me as far as ROTF goes, but I certainly understand where the regular DVD lovers stand.

uhh... Dark Knight is like night and day in dvd and blu-ray. I am not someone who notices the difference normally but the Imax shots are more amazing on a normal tv on blu-ray than they were on a normal theatre screen. And yes I stand by that I saw it in theatres three times.

Seibertron wrote:

LiKwid wrote:Try watching Transformers and The Dark Knight on a 120mhz tv.... You'll see a difference then
Saying there is no difference between Blu Rand dvd is just denial..Plain and simple..

I wonder which version is going to come with the Best Buy exclusive?.. Getting the Op bust is cool and a gift card to Sideshow collectibles($50?) and the movie for $50 usd is a killer deal. Especially when you have $10 bucks in reward certificates to use

We're not saying there's not a difference. We're just saying that the DVD upconverting makes regular DVDs a nice enough quality that the difference between regular DVD and a Blu-Ray DVD is minimal to the average consumer and not worth the extra $10 per disc.

I have to ask again ... how are you guys connecting your DVD / Blu-Ray players to your TV? Upconverting only happens with HDMI wires. If you have a DVD player hooked up to your TV with component or AV wires, you aren't viewing an upconverted image from your player so it's not even a fair comparison to Blu-Ray.

Oppo DVD players used to upconvert to 1080i and p via Component a couple of years ago. (I think they're strictly HDMI now.) An Oppo DVD player can give BD a run for it's money. But, of course that kind of conversion tech comes with a hefty pricetag. (Last I checked, Oppo's cheapest player was $150.00)

As for our A/V rig, we have a LG 26in HDTV, with a Sony upconvert player. In all honesty, the Sony is crap when it comes to upconverting. It looks good, but not great. Samsung and LG, on the other hand...both upconvert with breathtaking results. The Samsung we tried was so good, that my Dad preferred it over BD due to cost. And he was right. It was close enough to 1080p with all of the quality, but a quarter of the pricetag.

And I agree that upconvert is more than capable, and visually impressive for most people, so that they don't require a new disc system and player. The only times you'll ever really notice a great difference is if you have a craptastic player like our's, or a TV with 120hz. (But they make TVs with 120hz now that adapts to all input sources through a chipset system that cleans up the signal, reduces noise, and removes artifacts.)

With an adaptive TV set (which happen to be quite affordable, now) and a good upconvert player (around $100.00), there's really no need for Blu-Ray, unless you're an absolute stickler. And to say that the difference is so overwhelming, etc, etc is silliness.

Upconvert DVD players aren't that far behind Blu-Ray, and with technology like Oppo systems use, the distance is shortened even more.

Mathematically, yes, there are more pixels, etc. But, to the naked human eye, not a tremendous difference, and for some, none at all. (and no comments about a person's eye sight sucking or whatever, that's just pathetic, people.)

And on top of the A/V rig in the living room, my laptop's screen upconverts to 720p (with anything I throw at it), plus software from Cyberlink or WinDVD, there's really no reason to upgrade to Blu-Ray right now. Plus with the VGA connection to the TV, I can still wring out the 720p (and above) resolutions and have an impressive picture, still.

Heck, we owned a Blu-Ray player, I rented movies for it, but never bought any. In fact, I watched more upconverted SD DVDs than I did BD films. And a Blu-Ray player will upconvert to near BD quality anyway, so you really don't need to rush out and change your library over.

Having a BD player will help future proof you, for a while, but it's not really necessary.

I'll buy the 2-Disc SD version of ROTF. As much as I like the BD version's special features, they're not worth the extra money to me. That's the price of a figure, right there. (well one on sale, or a good down payment on a Scout. LOL)

Rodimus_light wrote:uhh... Dark Knight is like night and day in dvd and blu-ray. I am not someone who notices the difference normally but the Imax shots are more amazing on a normal tv on blu-ray than they were on a normal theatre screen. And yes I stand by that I saw it in theatres three times.

The IMAX shots are a gimmick, an added feature to Blu-Ray. While impressive, they're not needed to watch the movie. They add to it, yes, but not needed. Take the IMAX bits away, and compare the upconverted DVD and BD versions side by side, and you won't find a stellar difference unless your equipment is lacking in one department or another.

To be honest, IMAX has never thrilled me either. (and yes, I've been to one) I prefer my movies to be enjoyable and watchable as is. No special requirements, equipment, etc.

ROTF and G.I.Joe were both a lot of fun and both entertaining without gimmicks necessary.

Autobot032 wrote:The IMAX shots are a gimmick, an added feature to Blu-Ray. While impressive, they're not needed to watch the movie. They add to it, yes, but not needed. Take the IMAX bits away, and compare the upconverted DVD and BD versions side by side, and you won't find a stellar difference unless your equipment is lacking in one department or another.

To be honest, IMAX has never thrilled me either. (and yes, I've been to one) I prefer my movies to be enjoyable and watchable as is. No special requirements, equipment, etc.

ROTF and G.I.Joe were both a lot of fun and both entertaining without gimmicks necessary.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of IMAX theatres. I'd rather go to a theatre that has a nice picture, stadium seating and great audio and spend $5 less to see a movie. I would've liked to have seen ROTF at the IMAX just to see that forest scene, but it wasn't really worth $15 to go see it at the Navy Pier IMAX in Chicago. I'll just wait to watch it on my nice setup at home.

Seibertron wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:The IMAX shots are a gimmick, an added feature to Blu-Ray. While impressive, they're not needed to watch the movie. They add to it, yes, but not needed. Take the IMAX bits away, and compare the upconverted DVD and BD versions side by side, and you won't find a stellar difference unless your equipment is lacking in one department or another.

To be honest, IMAX has never thrilled me either. (and yes, I've been to one) I prefer my movies to be enjoyable and watchable as is. No special requirements, equipment, etc.

ROTF and G.I.Joe were both a lot of fun and both entertaining without gimmicks necessary.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of IMAX theatres. I'd rather go to a theatre that has a nice picture, stadium seating and great audio and spend $5 less to see a movie. I would've liked to have seen ROTF at the IMAX just to see that forest scene, but it wasn't really worth $15 to go see it at the Navy Pier IMAX in Chicago. I'll just wait to watch it on my nice setup at home.

$15.00?! Oh hell no! Though, to be fair, it is Chicago, and the theater pricing will of course be more expensive than my little town.

Still...as much as I love ROTF (and it's now in my list of favorite all time movies) I could spend $15.00-20.00 and see it multiple times, rather than just once with a glorified version of a Viewmaster on steroids.

PASS.

part of the draw for ROTF Imax for me were the purported additional scenes (as they did w/TF1). Besides the bigger picture, the premium price was for those scenes. Instead, they lied and screwed us, the regular screens and Imax played the same exact movie. That really pissed me off. What was the official explanation for this??

vectorA3 wrote:part of the draw for ROTF Imax for me were the purported additional scenes (as they did w/TF1). Besides the bigger picture, the premium price was for those scenes. Instead, they lied and screwed us, the regular screens and Imax played the same exact movie. That really pissed me off. What was the official explanation for this??

The OP says the deleted scenes will be part of the special features.

Give it time, we'll have a fanedit sooner or later.

So no deleted scenes? Huh.

I am assuming that this two disc Blu Ray is the same one best buy is offering with a Optimus bust? Yes? I don't need 3 copies of this movie. two would be perfect though. DVD and Blu Ray. I just want the Optimus bust.

Autobot032 wrote:

vectorA3 wrote:part of the draw for ROTF Imax for me were the purported additional scenes (as they did w/TF1). Besides the bigger picture, the premium price was for those scenes. Instead, they lied and screwed us, the regular screens and Imax played the same exact movie. That really pissed me off. What was the official explanation for this??

The OP says the deleted scenes will be part of the special features.

Give it time, we'll have a fanedit sooner or later.

the movie could've benefited from having a shorter cut for regular screens & longer version in Imax for the diehards. All of the extra jokes & BS, esp. Simmons' thong, that shoulda been cut out without a 2nd thought. Maybe Bay likes guys though... He had too much power with the final cut, studio should've stepped in at some point, but they %ussed out.

vectorA3 wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

vectorA3 wrote:part of the draw for ROTF Imax for me were the purported additional scenes (as they did w/TF1). Besides the bigger picture, the premium price was for those scenes. Instead, they lied and screwed us, the regular screens and Imax played the same exact movie. That really pissed me off. What was the official explanation for this??

The OP says the deleted scenes will be part of the special features.

Give it time, we'll have a fanedit sooner or later.

the movie could've benefited from having a shorter cut for regular screens & longer version in Imax for the diehards. All of the extra jokes & BS, esp. Simmons' thong, that shoulda been cut out without a 2nd thought. Maybe Bay likes guys though... He had too much power with the final cut, studio should've stepped in at some point, but they %ussed out.

To be honest, I'm not sure what to think about some of the humor.

Tazing nuts, landing on balls, underneath the enemy's scrotum, Simmons's thong, "Go whine to your boyfriend", "That's cuz you a pussy", Leo sleeping on Simmons shoulder (which was a ha ha moment, but once you throw it in with the rest...) ...some very eye opening moments there. (in hindsight)

One really "HAHA!" moment testicle joke would've been fine. Two was reeeeally pushing it, and the current amount was unfunny and just complete overkill/bordering on weird territory.

I don't know if it was the writers, or Bay, but somebody on that team has some issues.

I agree. While I enjoyed RotF, there were cringe worthy moments in the humour department due to the excessive and relentless use of overly macho humour. It's as if the movie is trying way too hard to convince us that it's "all man" by utilizing comedy gags like simulated testicles, groin injury(tazer and Mikaela falling into Leo's lap), and a shot of JT's bared posterior. Now with the exception of Mikaela, the other mentioned instances of comedy don't seem too appealing to men, at least not me. Haha, big balls. Haha...wait, did JT just moon the audience? Yeah...

The first movie had some funny if juvenile moments like the BB peeing/expelling lubricant on Simmons and oddly embarassing moments like OP saying "My bad." or Jazz saying "What's crackin', little bitches?"(Come on...really?) but other touches of humour were great like Ratchet's observation of pheromone levels suggesting Sam wanted to "mate" with Mikaela and Sam's innocent whistle afterwards. I also thought Shia's comedic delivery and timing really shined through when he interacted with Kevin Dunn when Sam brings the Autobots to his home when he looks for his grandfather's glasses.

"Sleep well, handsome man.".

That scene always cracks me up.

Speaking of which, Kevin Dunn is great in the movies as Sam's father. I just love the extra touches on a character that could be a throw away role.

Looks like there are a lot more extra contents this time around. I will definitely get it on Blu-ray since it'll look totally gorgeous on my 1080p 46" Bravia Z, can't wait to see the full screen Imax scenes if The Dark Knight is any indication.