Legacy Ev Poster Shows us Possible Commander Class Armada Optimus + Rundown of Entire Line

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So that Skar's a 6th Dinobot? Damn, so much for my hope that was gonna be re-do or 2-pack rerelease of Doubledealer's partners lol. Also, who not do Scorn? Oh well.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So that Skar's a 6th Dinobot? Damn, so much for my hope that was gonna be re-do or 2-pack rerelease of Doubledealer's partners lol. Also, who not do Scorn? Oh well.

Because by doing Skar, who I've been told turns into an ankylosaurus, and making the torso out of Slug and Sludge as we've seen, they've now set themselves up with the necessary molds to repaint/retool this set of Core Dinos into the Dinoking crew. None of the Dinoking components turned into spinos like Scorn, but they did have an ankylosaurus.

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So that Skar's a 6th Dinobot? Damn, so much for my hope that was gonna be re-do or 2-pack rerelease of Doubledealer's partners lol. Also, who not do Scorn? Oh well.

Because by doing Skar, who I've been told turns into an ankylosaurus, and making the torso out of Slug and Sludge as we've seen, they've now set themselves up with the necessary molds to repaint/retool this set of Core Dinos into the Dinoking crew. None of the Dinoking components turned into spinos like Scorn, but they did have an ankylosaurus.

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

Bounti76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

True. Though while I don't think Needlenose is a bad toy, I can't help but notice that at least Scoop's Targetmasters had arm articulation. They could have at least added that on Sunbeam and Zigzag (and Peacemaker). Truth be told, I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd bumped up Needlenose and Pointblank to Voyager Class, so there was more of an engineering budget for both those figures and their Targetmasters (and a toy head option for Pointblank).

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

True. Though while I don't think Needlenose is a bad toy, I can't help but notice that at least Scoop's Targetmasters had arm articulation. They could have at least added that on Sunbeam and Zigzag (and Peacemaker). Truth be told, I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd bumped up Needlenose and Pointblank to Voyager Class, so there was more of an engineering budget for both those figures and their Targetmasters (and a toy head option for Pointblank).

Sure you wouldn't have minded, but it's easy to imagine all that whining coming from fans who just see a deluxe sized toy in a voyager box. Personally, I am glad they found a way for this to fit within the deluxe price point, it leaves slots open for other characters in the voyager class.

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Emerje wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Next up is Needlenose, personally speaking I think the aesthetics on the CW version look better than this new version. I also think the timing if comical because I was just speaking about a potential Aerialbots redux and this bot certainly looks the part for reuse there.

Isn't his transformation upside down from the Aerialbots? Plus I don't think his wings can fold.

The CW Needlenose is a straight re-deco of Deluxe Class CW Firefly and that is exactly why I passed on him, wasn't impressive at all.

This new needlenose looks almost exact to his G1 counterpart.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Needlenose_(G1)

Ill take something original instead of a straight repaint anyday.

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

True. Though while I don't think Needlenose is a bad toy, I can't help but notice that at least Scoop's Targetmasters had arm articulation. They could have at least added that on Sunbeam and Zigzag (and Peacemaker). Truth be told, I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd bumped up Needlenose and Pointblank to Voyager Class, so there was more of an engineering budget for both those figures and their Targetmasters (and a toy head option for Pointblank).

Sure you wouldn't have minded, but it's easy to imagine all that whining coming from fans who just see a deluxe sized toy in a voyager box. Personally, I am glad they found a way for this to fit within the deluxe price point, it leaves slots open for other characters in the voyager class.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Speaking of him, I cannot agree in the slightest with this version of Hot Shot being called "mid". It's more accurate overall than the Universe deluxe was, it actually comes with weapons no matter which country you get it from, it retains a Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers (so if we get Jolt & they don't botch his transformation like the Universe version did, or possibly also if you have the original Jolt, you can do the propeller thing), and it retains the axlezooka. My only gripe with the design is that he can't use the engine blaster as chest armor. I wish he was a Voyager so that he'd size better with OG Armada toys, but I love the design.

SpaceEagle wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Speaking of him, I cannot agree in the slightest with this version of Hot Shot being called "mid". It's more accurate overall than the Universe deluxe was, it actually comes with weapons no matter which country you get it from, it retains a Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers (so if we get Jolt & they don't botch his transformation like the Universe version did, or possibly also if you have the original Jolt, you can do the propeller thing), and it retains the axlezooka. My only gripe with the design is that he can't use the engine blaster as chest armor. I wish he was a Voyager so that he'd size better with OG Armada toys, but I love the design.

The Universe one was so close to nailing it IMO, as an older toy I'll at least give it the kudos that it was a nice update for the time - and as such I think the Legacy figure does a nice job at giving us an update for the now. Honestly if they included Jolt it would've already cemented itself as superior over the Universe version. Can't wait to see Jolt come out elsewhere and complete the set, though.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Speaking of him, I cannot agree in the slightest with this version of Hot Shot being called "mid". It's more accurate overall than the Universe deluxe was, it actually comes with weapons no matter which country you get it from, it retains a Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers (so if we get Jolt & they don't botch his transformation like the Universe version did, or possibly also if you have the original Jolt, you can do the propeller thing), and it retains the axlezooka. My only gripe with the design is that he can't use the engine blaster as chest armor. I wish he was a Voyager so that he'd size better with OG Armada toys, but I love the design.

The Universe one was so close to nailing it IMO, as an older toy I'll at least give it the kudos that it was a nice update for the time - and as such I think the Legacy figure does a nice job at giving us an update for the now. Honestly if they included Jolt it would've already cemented itself as superior over the Universe version. Can't wait to see Jolt come out elsewhere and complete the set, though.

Given how much this Hot Shot wrung out of the Deluxe budget as it is, it's probably for the best they didn't try to force Jolt as part of him. I think we are likely to see Jolt as part of a pack of some sort (most likely an SSROTF Arcee-type deal), especially with them having gone to the trouble of that Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers.

Will, regarding Dinoking... I think we do stand a decent chance of them actually going there this time. Doing Dinoking from the PotP Dinobot molds had PotP's truncation, the PotP molds (being four Deluxes and a Voyager) making for a costlier set, and people's dissatisfaction with CW Liokaiser working against it. This time around we're working with a fresher start, more momentum, and cheaper figures.

Sculyblast wrote:I am looking forward to the nemisis recolor.

"A redeco of Lio Convoy, Black Lio Convoy sports the now-familiar black, silver, and teal color scheme which was later used for Robots in Disguise Scourge, Alternators Nemesis Prime and many, many other "evil" Optimus Primes. There is also a variant of this toy that comes with gold claws, which is harder to find than the normal version.Black Lio Convoy was a Toys"R"Us exclusive and came in a Lio Convoy box with a sticker indicating that it was "Black Lio Convoy". A special Lucky Draw version limited to 10 pieces was also released through Comic Bom Bom, which featured "BL-00" painted in white on his robo-butt.This toy is also used to represent the separate character of Black Lio Convoy..."

MCutter wrote:Has anyone pointed out Chopshop flying in among the Insecticon swarm? I'm guessing he'll be part of the next Buzzworthy 'across' four-pack.

Sculyblast wrote:I am looking forward to the nemisis recolor.

william-james88 wrote:
He'll be black and silver/grey

Rodimus Prime wrote:For the record, when I say Needlenose should be voyager, I mean he should be physically bigger. I don't really care if his transformation doesn't change much. May be flatten out the underside kibble some?

Rodimus Knight wrote:I feel like at the current price point, I'm not really impressed.
It would have been nice if they could have moved Sludge's Back Dino legs somewhere else instead of giving him those thick meaty thighs.
I am curious on how the core Dinos combined look will well, look. So far I have not been impressed by the Dinobots combiner modes they've tried. I think they need to go more for a Prediking look with the wings at the back.
I'm not sure how I feel about Lio Convoy. Someone mentioned the beats eyes earlier and I agree, they don't look right. At least give him some pupils.
We're getting pretty good Updates to G1 and Armada. Mediocre updates to Transformers Prime. I'm terrified to see what they might do with animated.
I feel like I'm really starting to loose interest in TF collecting.

Rodimus Knight wrote:I feel like at the current price point, I'm not really impressed.
It would have been nice if they could have moved Sludge's Back Dino legs somewhere else instead of giving him those thick meaty thighs.[/img]Might not have been workable with a Core-class budget, especially if their being there is also used for the combination.

I am curious on how the core Dinos combined look will well, look.

Rodimus Knight wrote:So far I have not been impressed by the Dinobots combiner modes they've tried. I think they need to go more for a Prediking look with the wings at the back.

Rodimus Knight wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about Lio Convoy. Someone mentioned the beats eyes earlier and I agree, they don't look right. At least give him some pupils.

Rodimus Knight wrote:We're getting pretty good Updates to G1 and Armada. Mediocre updates to Transformers Prime.

Rodimus Knight wrote:I'm terrified to see what they might do with animated.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I could honestly see Prowl either being Animated, G1, or IDW, but if that really is a muscle car and not just a customized Junkion, I definitely think Animated will be repped by at least Lockdown, probably through Selects. Prowl and Lockdown are the two character who have the biggest history with modifying themseleves (Prowl's armor, Lockdown's... Lockdown) and including them in a line where that's part of the gimmick just makes sense

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Prowl and Lockdown are the two character who have the biggest history with modifying themseleves (Prowl's armor, Lockdown's... Lockdown) and including them in a line where that's part of the gimmick just makes sense

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:I feel like at the current price point, I'm not really impressed.
It would have been nice if they could have moved Sludge's Back Dino legs somewhere else instead of giving him those thick meaty thighs.[/img]Might not have been workable with a Core-class budget, especially if their being there is also used for the combination.

I am curious on how the core Dinos combined look will well, look.

Probably like this, but with Volcanicus' head, and dinosaur beast heads & limbs instead of generic robot space monster beast heads and limbs.

Slag's beast head ends up as the chestplate just like Kakuryu's does, so that's one match already.

Rodimus Knight wrote:So far I have not been impressed by the Dinobots combiner modes they've tried. I think they need to go more for a Prediking look with the wings at the back.

Swoop's wingspan relative to his body size, and his having pterosaur wings instead of bird wings, mean that that might not work as well as you'd think. I know that with PotP it would have ended up looking rather Bulk Biceps-ish.

Till-all-R1 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:For the record, when I say Needlenose should be voyager, I mean he should be physically bigger. I don't really care if his transformation doesn't change much. May be flatten out the underside kibble some?

I'm curious since it's already been stated here several times that Voyager doesn't mean "bigger bot" but simply more "engineering", so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

o.supreme wrote:So... any guesses on the 6th core Dinobot? I'm guessing, if this really is a Dinoking pre tool it will be an Ankylosaurus. Probably using the name Scowl picked up from RiD15, if Hasbro still can use that name.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:but if that really is a muscle car and not just a customized Junkion

o.supreme wrote:So... any guesses on the 6th core Dinobot? I'm guessing, if this really is a Dinoking pre tool it will be an Ankylosaurus. Probably using the name Scowl picked up from RiD15, if Hasbro still can use that name.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Reminder, again, that one of the Hasbro designers said at SDCC that Animated reps in Legacy is a matter of when, not if, that he in particular wants to do Animated Prime, Ratchet, and Lockdown, and that they would be G1-ified but also that they're adjusting their approach in doing so after the feedback on the Prime characters.

SpaceEagle wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Reminder, again, that one of the Hasbro designers said at SDCC that Animated reps in Legacy is a matter of when, not if, that he in particular wants to do Animated Prime, Ratchet, and Lockdown, and that they would be G1-ified but also that they're adjusting their approach in doing so after the feedback on the Prime characters.

Ah, right, completely forgot about that.
I'm still very curious to see how they'll be interpreted, though I wonder if they'll have the foot articulation to make sure most of them can pull off the hero stance.

o.supreme wrote:Oof....I thought Jhiaxus would be more popular...