New Unmasked Version of B127 Bumblebee Deluxe Toy shown in Video Review

Saw this coming. Bee makes money. Repaints make money. Repaints of Bee make money. Like the Seekers.

I'll be honest, I might get this repaint. I didn't like the always on battle mask look, but this unmasked one looks nice. Plus, it'd go nicely with the Wheeljack, and any others we get

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I'll be honest, I might get this repaint. I didn't like the always on battle mask look, but this unmasked one looks nice. Plus, it'd go nicely with the Wheeljack, and any others we get

Having already the Cliffjumper, I had no needs for the previous "computer mouse" Bee. But not only this one have the right head and better colors, some tolerance issues have been fixed too.

I'll be getting this one. Will look pretty damn nice next to my old Gen. WfC (game) Bee.

They're not treating this as a separate release, right? So it's less a "redeco" and more a "running change" or "variant", right?

I like that they left the face in gray plastic, looks much better than the silver paint.

I was pretty meh about the original release (I like the design but the legs are a real pain and it has a hard time standing), but it seems like the legs and ability to stand are better, and the new yellow is nice.

Sabrblade wrote:They're not treating this as a separate release, right? So it's less a "redeco" and more a "running change" or "variant", right?

I'm seeing people speculate this is for Buzzworthy so yes it's a separate release.

I'm just hoping we get an equally dope Cliffjumper re-release in Buzzworthy, I skipped both Cliffy and B-127 on their first release thinking they were a one off but after seeing the pics of PvP's stolen Wheeljack I want all these Cybertronian Autobots from Bumblebee. Praying that a Cybertronian Optimus is in the pipeline as well because he's the only one not leaked at the moment but neither was this new B-127 so there's hope.

Sabrblade wrote:They're not treating this as a separate release, right? So it's less a "redeco" and more a "running change" or "variant", right?

This seems too different to just be a running change for SS70. It would be a perfect fit for Selects, but since there hasnt been any SS Selects yet, it may be part of some other subline? Maybe another Universal Studios exclusive? That way they could give it another SS number.

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:They're not treating this as a separate release, right? So it's less a "redeco" and more a "running change" or "variant", right?

This seems too different to just be a running change for SS70.

There is precedent:

Back then the toys weren't numbered though. Having the exact same toy just be a different color happened often yes. This new B127 has a whole new head though.

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:They're not treating this as a separate release, right? So it's less a "redeco" and more a "running change" or "variant", right?

This seems too different to just be a running change for SS70.

There is precedent:

Arguably that precedent is 23 years old. They did do that in the Movie lines though

Sabrblade wrote:They're not treating this as a separate release, right? So it's less a "redeco" and more a "running change" or "variant", right?

That's not what some leakers are saying. This may be a seperate release. We'll see.

Flashwave wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:They're not treating this as a separate release, right? So it's less a "redeco" and more a "running change" or "variant", right?

This seems too different to just be a running change for SS70.

There is precedent:

Arguably that precedent is 23 years old. They did do that in the Movie lines though

It all depends on what product number they're given, really. During Beast Wars Hasbro did experiment with variants like shown above, with the caveat they have the same product number. We may see them as different, but to the stores at least they're the same product, be it black or white. Hasbro pulled that stunt again with the RiD Mini-Con 4-packs all sharing the same product code, despite having different contents.

Straight re-releases like ER Astrotrain, Kingdom Arcee and Kingdom Leader Optimus Prime, despite looking the same as their predecessors, should be noted as while it's expected for them to keep their product codes, their original assortments and their codes were discontinued, so new codes were assigned.

I'm gonna dump this entire discussion in the trash.

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I finally figured out what to do with my extra Barricade from the Buzzworthy 2-pack - here's Studio Series Recon Barricade!

Pretty impressive work!
A nice callback to the old 2007 repaint.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Pretty impressive work!
A nice callback to the old 2007 repaint.

Thank you very much! I never owned the original, but I really liked the color scheme and thought it'd be fun to try!

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Pretty impressive work!
A nice callback to the old 2007 repaint.

Thank you very much! I never owned the original, but I really liked the color scheme and thought it'd be fun to try!

You should hunt it down. I'm sure that if you conveniently ignore the shipping cost, it's dirt cheap on Ebay. Maybe as part of a large lot? It would be fun to see yours and the original side by side.

I once got Retcon Barricade in a lot for dirt cheap. A lot yellowed by cigarette with the smell that goes with it.

primalxconvoy wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Our first look at this upcoming figure is in this video review below from Prime vs Prime

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No need to beat the dead horse dude I think it's pretty clear how you feel

primalxconvoy wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Our first look at this upcoming figure is in this video review below from Prime vs Prime

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No need to beat the dead horse dude I think it's pretty clear how you feel

I'm sure most people here believe that there are simply too many Bumblebee toys in the market too. I'm not the minority here.

I was talking about your signature, I agree with you about the bumblebee toys

primalxconvoy wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Our first look at this upcoming figure is in this video review below from Prime vs Prime

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No need to beat the dead horse dude I think it's pretty clear how you feel

I'm sure most people here believe that there are simply too many Bumblebee toys in the market too. I'm not the minority here.

I agree with you about the bumblebee toys

They really are beating a dead horse with how many there are by now. It's crazy.

Yeah, hopefully at least some people out there are happy about it
I've yet to see a single bumblebee figure that I consider worth picking up. Only one that's tempted me has been the buzzworthy saucer bee

Razorbeast88 wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Our first look at this upcoming figure is in this video review below from Prime vs Prime

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No need to beat the dead horse dude I think it's pretty clear how you feel

I'm sure most people here believe that there are simply too many Bumblebee toys in the market too. I'm not the minority here.

I agree with you about the bumblebee toys

They really are beating a dead horse with how many there are by now. It's crazy.

Yeah, hopefully at least some people out there are happy about it
I've yet to see a single bumblebee figure that I consider worth picking up. Only one that's tempted me has been the buzzworthy saucer bee

Bumblebee just seems so much more popular than Optimus and I've no idea why.

primalxconvoy wrote:Bumblebee just seems so much more popular than Optimus and I've no idea why.

Because the character has always had that air of being "younger and inexperienced" which kids can relate to. Optimus has always been the experienced leader which Bumblebee, and kids, look up to.

Plus Hasbro have done a pretty good job of shoving BB into the collective eyeballs of fans and non-fans alike.

Burn wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:Bumblebee just seems so much more popular than Optimus and I've no idea why.

Because the character has always had that air of being "younger and inexperienced" which kids can relate to. Optimus has always been the experienced leader which Bumblebee, and kids, look up to.

Plus Hasbro have done a pretty good job of shoving BB into the collective eyeballs of fans and non-fans alike.

I suppose so. I'm surprised that, in any of the latest TF media franchises they've had, that they didn't make BB drones, so some of us would then want to troop-build a swarm of them...

As a kid, I never related to kid perspective characters in cartoons, in fact I tended to range from being apathetic, to downright hating some of them. All that being said, Nobody can deny the popularity of BB.

o.supreme wrote:As a kid, I never related to kid perspective characters in cartoons, in fact I tended to range from being apathetic, to downright hating some of them. All that being said, Nobody can deny the popularity of BB.

It's as if he's still the only multiversal-singularity in the TF multiverse.

There must be many bumblebees.

o.supreme wrote:As a kid, I never related to kid perspective characters in cartoons, in fact I tended to range from being apathetic, to downright hating some of them. All that being said, Nobody can deny the popularity of BB.

Yeah but in all fairness, the cartoons you watched growing up were meant to sell toys, not have relatable characters.

Let's also not forget that it's the retailers who keep wanting to carry the big names like Bumblebee, Optimus, Megatron, Starscream, etc.

Burn wrote:

o.supreme wrote:As a kid, I never related to kid perspective characters in cartoons, in fact I tended to range from being apathetic, to downright hating some of them. All that being said, Nobody can deny the popularity of BB.

Yeah but in all fairness, the cartoons you watched growing up were meant to sell toys, not have relatable characters.

Yet I related to several of the ones with more admirable traits like Optimus Prime, or Superman just fine.

Also I watched pretty much every action based cartoon from the late 70's to early 2000's, yet only ever collected 2 lines as toys (MOTU and Transformers). I now own most of the cartoons via physical media, because I actually liked the shows way more than the toys. If the goal was ONLY to ever sell toys, then with me they failed, as I never bought a single Voltron, GI Joe, Thundercats, MASK, TMNT, The Real Ghostbusters etc. toys. But I enjoyed all the shows. Also, if I ever find myself in financial difficulties it will be my toys that I sell FIRST, before any physical media, as they are the easiest to part with.

Basically, the "80's cartoons were just 22 minute toy commercials" statement is defintely beating a dead horse. Yes that was defintely a strong factor, I'm not denying that. But in spite of all of that, they brought together some extremely talented writers, actors, and animation styles that are still celebrated today, and I would gladly watch TODAY over anything currently being produced in animation.

Burn wrote:

o.supreme wrote:As a kid, I never related to kid perspective characters in cartoons, in fact I tended to range from being apathetic, to downright hating some of them. All that being said, Nobody can deny the popularity of BB.

Yeah but in all fairness, the cartoons you watched growing up were meant to sell toys, not have relatable characters.

That's what Hasbro thought when they killed off Optimus Prime in the Great Toy Massacre of 1986. It seems that good writers can do wonders even with toys.

First-Aid wrote:

Burn wrote:

o.supreme wrote:As a kid, I never related to kid perspective characters in cartoons, in fact I tended to range from being apathetic, to downright hating some of them. All that being said, Nobody can deny the popularity of BB.

Yeah but in all fairness, the cartoons you watched growing up were meant to sell toys, not have relatable characters.

That's what Hasbro thought when they killed off Optimus Prime in the Great Toy Massacre of 1986. It seems that good writers can do wonders even with toys.

Child Psychiatrists didn't get paid enough when the movie came out

People brought up a good point, unlike other toy commercials disguised as shows (street sharks, biker mice from mars, that weird trolls from the 80s, G1 Joe, he-man) I truly believe that what left such an impact with young kids was the distinct personalities of the G1 characters and how they interacted with one another. All that fun trash talk for instance. Or Soundave's high and mighty personality in that monotone robot voice. We had characters like Kup that felt older and had a history of their own. Galvatron was literally insane and used that to his advantage. These were rare things in these non serialized kids shows of the 80s.

(what also helped was that the toys were more unique play pattern)

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Child Psychiatrists didn't get paid enough when the movie came out

I know this is all in jest, and I get it. Even the story Flint Dille sometimes mentions (not originated by him) about a kid who allegedly locked himself in a closest because of the "trauma" caused by the death of Prime.

As a kid who saw TF:TM at the age of 10, while I cant speak for every one of my peers, what I can do is relate my own experience. I used to give the common response all the time "yeah I cried"...but that wasn't quite true.

My mom took me to an almost empty Tuesday Matinee following the films opening weekend, along with 2 friends (well one of my closest friends, and one of "his friends" I barely knew). When Prime died on screen I was misty-eyed for sure, but definitely held it in out of fear of being teased by my friends sitting next to me.

I'm certain my mom never wrote any angry letters to Hasbro, in fact, amazing as this sounds, I don't think my mom and I ever had a discussion about the movie, which was odd because we always discussed movies together. She was probably just glad it was over . But no emotional scars, no therapy. It was just a thing that happened. Perhaps a core memory (to borrow from Inside Out), for sure of something awesome and tragic at the same time, but certainly nothing that stifled the growth my myself or any of my circle of friends, and we all went on to see TF:TM Many times once it was released on VHS in 1987.

Sorry for the partial derailing of the thread, just had to clear the air on that one.

As for SS, I was thinking, SS48 is just a Universal Studios straight up repaint of SS34. Also several of the Exclusive Bumblebees are straight up repaints as well, yet they all had new "SS" number designations.

I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I would be quite perplexed if B127 with the new head came out just as SS65 again...

Breaking news from Hasbro:

You like reveals? How about the remaining Studio Series Wave 1 characters for 2022? All inspired by Transforrmers: Bumblebee! We know you want to build the epic Cybertron Battle opening scene, and now you can! For the first time in Studio Series, check out Deluxe Class Autobot Ratchet, Brawn, and Wheeljack, PLUS Voyager Class Soundwave.
And that's not all! We're introducing Core Class to the Studio Series line for the first time ever! And what better way to kick off this new Studio Series scale than with Ravage, who converts into a Cybertronian cassette that fits in the Voyager Class Soundwave figure's chest. And check out Core Class Shockwave with his Cybertronian tank mode and a first look at the new open window packaging for the Core Class scale.
Parents, be sure to check back in December for exciting pre-order information.

Brawn looks outstanding, definitely want him. Ratchet looks pretty good too! Soundwave's alt mode is kind of abstract but I'm surprisingly OK with it.

real tf prime vibes off shockwave. Soundwave's alt mode is a bit weird to me, but all in all, I really dig these. Here I was thinking I wouldn't be spending money on transformers next year.

Soundwave's alt mode is definitely...unique?




The Deluxe Autobots look cool. Ravage looks ok, I understand the limitations of the "cassette" alt mode, and cannot make the jaguar look as dynamic as it should. Why they are releasing Shockwave as a core class instead of a voyager or leader still doesn't make sense.

I'll admit these actually turned out pretty good, although I doubt I'll pick them up. The robot modes look like dead ringers for the film, which is probably all that really matters.

I wonder if not knowing the alt mode makes these easier or harder to design.

Interesting interpretations. Disappointed that they made Shockwave another H-tank. Somehow, that just never seems to look good on him. Not sure what SS Soundwave is supposed to be - a Goblin Glider, perhaps? Hopefully there will be a 'lamppost' mode

Appart Ravage"a obvious block mode and Soundwave's ROADKILL mode, I adore all of these. Especially Brawn and Ratchet. This is what we should have gotten in Siege.

Ooohh, color me intrigued.

Shockwave looks great.

Loving Brawn, will get him and Wheeljack definitely.

Ratchet is o.k.

What the heck does Soundwave transform into exactly?

Ravage looks great, but not sure that is a cassette looks like he's just balled up.

I just noticed the core class packaging doesn't have numbers. Does that mean they are going to drop it completely in 2022?

Anyone else getting the feeling gears is going to be the recolor of this new brawn mold?

Starbuck14 wrote:Anyone else getting the feeling gears is going to be the recolor of this new brawn mold?

High chances.

DeathReviews wrote:Interesting interpretations. Disappointed that they made Shockwave another H-tank. Somehow, that just never seems to look good on him. Not sure what SS Soundwave is supposed to be - a Goblin Glider, perhaps? Hopefully there will be a 'lamppost' mode

They probably based Core Shockwave's alt mode on Dark of the Moon's Shockwave alt mode to be fair.

o.supreme wrote:I just noticed the core class packaging doesn't have numbers. Does that mean they are going to drop it completely in 2022?

That is my guess. Otherwise they would have to navigate the inevitable collision of SS-1 through SS-79 so far with SS86. Oddly enough, there were enough slots to get them right to SS-85 with the first wave next year.

Soundwave turns into The Bat from The Dark Knight Rises.

Most of the Cybertron designs from BB weren't really my thing, but I do like the alt modes on most of them. I think I'll be saving for the Bayverse guys due later next year.

. . . Though I will admit that I'm tempted to get a Ratchet to paint in Bayverse Ratchet's colors.

I do like the packaging for core class, can't wait to see how DOTM Laserbeak turns out.

So far these look pretty good, seems like they made something up for Ravage's and Soundwave's alt-modes just to not confuse kiddies with cassette recorders! (Much like marketing Six Shot's totally-not-an-upside-down-gun mode as a "submarine") I think I have a good enough of an imagination to see Soundwave's "vehicle" mode as some kind of alien hovercraft, but I think we're all just gonna go for the classic cassette recorder or lamppost modes, heh.

that ratchet is dope

Ratchets and Brawns vehicle modes look great. I'd need to give Brawn a different head in bot mode though and not have it representing Brawn at all but I'm pretty sure I have a spare Brawl titan master head.

Soundwaves alt mode looks pretty bad unless it has meant to have a purpose and even then, not so sure of it. Ravage looks pretty bad, he was way more zoid/energon looking but I guess the Energon figure could be used instead of him.

Shockwaves just kinda meh, would rather it been like the movie video game alt mode otherwise the other Baynus one SS or not would be the one to go for.

Not liking the new core packaging boxes, kinda hides the size of the figure (like how they exagerated TR Gnaws size) or feels a huge waste of packaging in Ravages case.

Two definite buys for me aint bad for a line I keep uhming and ahming if I should just sell what I have and keep to the other stuff.