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Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist

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Wednesday, February 6th, 2013 3:49PM CST

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The BotCon 2013 website has posted official images of their recently revealed convention exclusive Machine Wars Hoist. The figure is a reuse of Generations Sargeant Kup with a new head and deco. Images of the figure in both robot and vehicle mode have been mirrored below.

Botcon 2013 is in San Diego this year from June 27-30. Check out BotCon.com for more information.

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Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461468)
Posted by Flux Convoy on February 6th, 2013 @ 4:04pm CST
Yup, I still like it. Alt mode looks nice and clean. The striping pops nicely. I assume W&S references Witwicky & Son.
:BOT:
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461473)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 6th, 2013 @ 4:13pm CST
Flux Convoy wrote:Yup, I still like it. Alt mode looks nice and clean. The striping pops nicely. I assume W&S references Witwicky & Son.
:BOT:


Close. It actually references Wilk and Son Towing on the original toy:

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Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461474)
Posted by Rated X on February 6th, 2013 @ 4:14pm CST
W&S Towing with what crane ? I hope somebody does an add on crane. I still say this deco is meant to stand in as Trailbreaker until they get around to a real one.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461484)
Posted by xyl360 on February 6th, 2013 @ 4:39pm CST
Rated X wrote:W&S Towing with what crane ? I hope somebody does an add on crane. I still say this deco is meant to stand in as Trailbreaker until they get around to a real one.

Yeah, I don't think this thing will go long without some 3rd party figuring out that they can sell a simple tow crane add on for this thing and make a fast buck. Somebody will get around to it (if not, there's always Shapeways).
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461501)
Posted by Burn on February 6th, 2013 @ 6:00pm CST
Rated X wrote:W&S Towing with what crane ?


It's a magic invisible crane!
Magic and invisible like FunPub's business ethics.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461509)
Posted by LiKwid on February 6th, 2013 @ 7:03pm CST
The crane will be this years Soundwaves headband..5 bucks and a total POS..
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461534)
Posted by Bowspearer on February 6th, 2013 @ 9:46pm CST
I was willing to give this guys a slight benefit of the doubt- until I saw that we're getting a tow truck with no actual towing hook. I know they don't go with new molds, but seriously, would sculpting a new weapon that turned into an appropriately sized tow hook REALLY have killed them? Epic fail.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461540)
Posted by STngAR on February 6th, 2013 @ 10:23pm CST
Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461549)
Posted by rpetras on February 6th, 2013 @ 11:31pm CST
It almost works as Trailbreaker.

A little parts swapping with Swerve (which would be a pain because he has a TON of pins) and you'd have a passable Trailbreaker.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461551)
Posted by FracturedKoi on February 6th, 2013 @ 11:55pm CST
I was really hoping they'd make an extra molded bit to stick into the bed of the truck so it would be a makeshift tow truck at least. Doesn't make much sense as MW Hoist, as is xD
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461553)
Posted by FracturedKoi on February 6th, 2013 @ 11:55pm CST
STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:


Nope, it isn't just you; I couldn't agree more!
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461558)
Posted by Bowspearer on February 7th, 2013 @ 12:26am CST
STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:



You're preaching to the choir here ;):

Bowspearer wrote:The other thing is that Kup ideally isn't the best mould choice here. Honestly, as much as i detest movie toys, I was honestly expecting them to draw on the Longarm mould if they did go this way for both Hoist and Hubcap as it is an actual tow truck. Hopefully the other reveals are better fits.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461573)
Posted by Tranzilla on February 7th, 2013 @ 2:14am CST
I saw a pic of Kup sporting Scout Armorhide's tow weapon and it looks pretty good. There was a Target exclusive of Armorhide that was black in color with a yellow tipped black weapon that should work pretty well. All you would need is some way to mount it in the bed of Koist.

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Should blend nicely, although it's not perfect.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461589)
Posted by Flux Convoy on February 7th, 2013 @ 5:14am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Close. It actually references Wilk and Son Towing on the original toy:

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Fair enough but who the eff is Wilk? Haha!
:BOT:
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461592)
Posted by Bass X0 on February 7th, 2013 @ 5:41am CST
I still say this deco is meant to stand in as Trailbreaker until they get around to a real one.


Thats just coincidence. Maybe they did go with Hoist out o the 12 Machine Wars toys because of that similarity but really, its just the 1997 MW Hoist colors on the Kup mold.

The other thing is that Kup ideally isn't the best mould choice here.


Its the best mold they can use out of the ones they have available to them.

I know they don't go with new molds, but seriously, would sculpting a new weapon that turned into an appropriately sized tow hook REALLY have killed them? Epic fail.


It wouldn't have killed them but the costs for making such a thing would have been passed onto the customer. Such a thing would be quite expensive solely because its produced in limited numbers. So thats why they don't do it.

STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:


Longarm is based on an on-screen movie vehicle which is off limits for the Club. Also, ALL 2007 movie molds, on screen or not are off limits to the club.

And people would rather see recent molds used than six year old molds.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461595)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 7th, 2013 @ 7:01am CST
Flux Convoy wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Close. It actually references Wilk and Son Towing on the original toy:

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Fair enough but who the eff is Wilk? Haha!
:BOT:


Wilkinson. You may have heard of that ;)

And for people moaning about him being a pickup, I bring you: G2 Laser Rod Electro. A few pages back we already determined that the head shares features with both Hoist and him, which means the head will do double duty.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461637)
Posted by gothsaurus on February 7th, 2013 @ 9:29am CST
Aw dang. If they use this mold to crank out the gold laser rod, plus the Machine Wars repaint of Hoist... That's a pretty great use of the mold. With the added hook attachment to the back (bet the price will go up for those on ebay) ... I'm actually pretty happy with this guy. Can't complain about ANY black repaint.

Anyway, they always start off with someone less shockingly awesome for the start of the reveal. From here, should get interesting.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461724)
Posted by STngAR on February 7th, 2013 @ 2:07pm CST
Bass X0 wrote:
STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:


Longarm is based on an on-screen movie vehicle which is off limits for the Club. Also, ALL 2007 movie molds, on screen or not are off limits to the club.

And people would rather see recent molds used than six year old molds.



Yea I know all the what they can and can't use, I was just saying it would make more sense. Repainting an obvious big rig tow truck into a some sort of pickup with "towing" on the side of it makes absolutley no sense.

Totally disagree about the old molds.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461725)
Posted by gothsaurus on February 7th, 2013 @ 2:14pm CST
I wonder if Trailbreaker inspired the original deco for the MW toy. Hmmmmm. >:oP
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461743)
Posted by RAcast on February 7th, 2013 @ 3:11pm CST
STngAR wrote:
Bass X0 wrote:
STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:


Longarm is based on an on-screen movie vehicle which is off limits for the Club. Also, ALL 2007 movie molds, on screen or not are off limits to the club.

And people would rather see recent molds used than six year old molds.



Yea I know all the what they can and can't use, I was just saying it would make more sense. Repainting an obvious big rig tow truck into a some sort of pickup with "towing" on the side of it makes absolutley no sense.

Totally disagree about the old molds.

I think Longarm is licensed as well. According to the wiki, he's a Ford F-350; therefore he'd be off-limits to TFCC.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461744)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 7th, 2013 @ 3:15pm CST
RAcast wrote:
STngAR wrote:
Bass X0 wrote:
STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:


Longarm is based on an on-screen movie vehicle which is off limits for the Club. Also, ALL 2007 movie molds, on screen or not are off limits to the club.

And people would rather see recent molds used than six year old molds.



Yea I know all the what they can and can't use, I was just saying it would make more sense. Repainting an obvious big rig tow truck into a some sort of pickup with "towing" on the side of it makes absolutley no sense.

Totally disagree about the old molds.

I think Longarm is licensed as well. According to the wiki, he's a Ford F-350; therefore he'd be off-limits to TFCC.


The back of the card still identifies him as a regular "truck", no licensing information anywhere, in contrast to for instance Starscream's "F-22 Raptor". Plus, Ford is not a part of GM who Hasbro struck a deal with for the movies.

In short, unlicensed therefore free to use, were it not for the cameo... Think anybody could ask that at one of the panels?
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461746)
Posted by Burn on February 7th, 2013 @ 3:27pm CST
Maybe it's their business vehicle they use for non-towing jobs? Like when the office person goes to the bank ...
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461748)
Posted by gothsaurus on February 7th, 2013 @ 3:39pm CST
Gotta jump in to say mixing movie and classic molds is a train wreck. Gotta be a full set of one... or a full set of the other.

Given, I agree there may be a few "b@stard stepchild" molds of each that might be able to squeeze under the radar... but not many.

That said, I think the really exciting thing about this mold is its potential to be repainted as the Laser Rod bot in gold. That would be SPOT ON. I'm actually more excited about the add-on repaints that could come out of the Machine Wars theme... to match the previous G2, RID, Action Master and/or SG bots.

From just a couple molds, we could see a load of possibilities...

(from MW Prowl / Mirage)
Red Diaclone or SG Mirage
Green G2 Mirage (which would admittedly be hideous)
RID Skid-Z (would be amazing)

(from MW Hoist / Hubcap)
Laser Rod G2 Electro (great idea)
RID Wrecker Hook
Orion Pax (ala the eHobby Orion Pax/Dion set) (yegads, would be amazing)

Hmmm. You could totally display Classics Hardhead as Mega-Octane with a grouping of redux RID bots. (Scourge, Skybyte, Side Burn...) Retcon that quick TFCC.

I hope they keep fleshing out the earlier sets like they have. Those have been some of my favorite figures each year.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461751)
Posted by F Prime on February 7th, 2013 @ 3:44pm CST
Burn wrote:Maybe it's their business vehicle they use for non-towing jobs? Like when the office person goes to the bank ...


Best explanation yet.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461766)
Posted by STngAR on February 7th, 2013 @ 4:39pm CST
Burn wrote:Maybe it's their business vehicle they use for non-towing jobs? Like when the office person goes to the bank ...



Wonder if they will put that in the bio :-?

:MAXIMAL:
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1461828)
Posted by Bowspearer on February 7th, 2013 @ 9:10pm CST
Burn wrote:Maybe it's their business vehicle they use for non-towing jobs? Like when the office person goes to the bank ...


If that's the route they take, then it's a pretty weak way for them to squirm their way out of getting a crane hook/gun accessory moulded to make the mould work as a tow truck.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462014)
Posted by El Duque on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:23pm CST
BotCon has revealed the second figure in this year's convention exclusive set, Machine Wars Skywarp. The figure is reuse Transformers Revenge of Fallen Deluxe Class Dirge with a brand new head mold. Check him out in robot mode below.

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Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462016)
Posted by Noideaforaname on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:29pm CST
The warping effect is pretty cool (if limited to the wings and tail fins).
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462017)
Posted by Rated X on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:29pm CST
So Dirge gets repainted as Skywarp ? :BANG_HEAD:
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462018)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:29pm CST
It looks cool...but I wish they wouldn't use movie-verse toys as "classics" characters.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462020)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:31pm CST
Wow that's ugly. RoTF has been out for nearly 4 years, and somehow I managed to miss this toy altogether, this is my 1st time seeing that mold. I do believe I've found a mold more repulsive than movieverse Starscream.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462025)
Posted by GuyIncognito on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:36pm CST
I never cared for that mold. Would have rather seen them use the ROTF Breakaway mold, which I think is an awesome jet mold.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462027)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:41pm CST
GuyIncognito wrote:I never cared for that mold. Would have rather seen them use the ROTF Breakaway mold, which I think is an awesome jet mold.


But a bad looking bot mode. RotF Dirge is the better choice here IMO. Just think of him as Classics with a lot of (unnecessary) detail. :lol:

And it looks like El Duque needs more coffee, as it's Skywarp, not Dirge. ;)
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462029)
Posted by Mkall on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:44pm CST
I've hated movie molds since the day they started. This will be one of the few Botcon figures I'll not display.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462030)
Posted by Genocide G2.0 on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:48pm CST
I wish they had made this mold a bit taller and sorted the arm kibble out it's far far too short not to say that would have saved it but it would have helped , i like the colour and over all look it's just a shame about the molds shit bits. i still wouldnt buy it.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462032)
Posted by Manterax Prime on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:50pm CST
I have HFTD Jetblade and let me say, WORST JETFORMER MOLD EVER!!!!
In robot mode that is. Vehicle mode is superb. And, I'll give Skywarp this. Nice head sculpt.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462034)
Posted by El Duque on February 8th, 2013 @ 1:52pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And it looks like El Duque needs more coffee, as it's Skywarp, not Dirge.


You have no idea, just got into NYC for Toy Fair.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462040)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 8th, 2013 @ 2:00pm CST
El Duque wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And it looks like El Duque needs more coffee, as it's Skywarp, not Dirge.


You have no idea, just got into NYC for Toy Fair.


I'm sorry :( Hope you'll make it out there alive.

I have RotF Dirge and Gen. Sergeant Kup right here next to eachother, and Dirge is short! I don't think he's the worst jet mold out there, mind you. Makes me wonder who they'll pick for Megatron/Megaplex.

O, Thundercracker as Freebee :D
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462046)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on February 8th, 2013 @ 2:15pm CST
Okay that's 2 for 2 not so impressive Botcon releases so far, but there is still hope says I! :VEHI:
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462047)
Posted by MightyMagnus78 on February 8th, 2013 @ 2:17pm CST
With that paint scheme he looks very G1 Jetfire-esque?
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462052)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 8th, 2013 @ 2:20pm CST
MightyMagnus78 wrote:With that paint scheme he looks very Jetfire-esque?


Just a bit, even the original looked like that:

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Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462062)
Posted by DevconSupreme on February 8th, 2013 @ 2:35pm CST
:-x Complete garbarge man! None of the fan-club exclusives are ever breath taking let alone worth the price they ask. Machine Wars was a terrible line like G2 was in my opinion.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462064)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 8th, 2013 @ 2:39pm CST
could've picked a better mold, dont get me wrong ROTF dirge is a great figure but out of all the jet molds we've had over the years there are far better ones to use.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462065)
Posted by osubreeze on February 8th, 2013 @ 2:40pm CST
Wow. Very shiny.

With 2 figures out now, what I thought would happen might be. The "Machine Wars" having Movie style robots versus "Classics" style.

I'm quickly becoming less impressed with this set.

However, per the Botcon and TFCC Twitter feed, they said this one may not impress. Look for the 3 - 5 molds.

So they say.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462084)
Posted by dedcat on February 8th, 2013 @ 3:35pm CST
MW Skywarp was repainted to BWII Dirge, now Movie Dirge gets made into MW Skywarp. clever.

I remember this being one of the more enjoyable movie molds play-wise, so I'm not terribly upset.

I would have liked some retooling to make it a bit less 'movie-esque.' At the very least, some normal hands.

I'm holding out hope that Thundercracker gets his own unique mold, even though the original was a Skywarp repaint.

Overall, it is a good looking toy and I really dig the head sculpt. But please, no more retooled movie as classics figures. (Especially Breakaway!)
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462085)
Posted by Flux Convoy on February 8th, 2013 @ 3:35pm CST
Looks fine to me. It's a mold I don't have too. He might not spend his time in bot bode but I bet his jet mode is nice. I'm actually surprised at the mold choices so far. I kinda like that.
:BOT:
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462089)
Posted by Blurrz on February 8th, 2013 @ 3:46pm CST
That is one mold that does not deserve to be in a box set
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462090)
Posted by STngAR on February 8th, 2013 @ 3:48pm CST
osubreeze wrote:Wow. Very shiny.

With 2 figures out now, what I thought would happen might be. The "Machine Wars" having Movie style robots versus "Classics" style.

I'm quickly becoming less impressed with this set.

However, per the Botcon and TFCC Twitter feed, they said this one may not impress. Look for the 3 - 5 molds.

So they say.




Really?? That statement raises all kinds of questions in my mind


:MAXIMAL:
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462096)
Posted by Overcracker on February 8th, 2013 @ 4:45pm CST
Definitely not impressed. But I'm calling it: Souvenir sets with Megaplex and Thundercracker Repaints of this.
Re: Official Images: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Hoist (1462110)
Posted by Counterpunch on February 8th, 2013 @ 6:19pm CST
Ugh...this is not very good. Not very good...

I don't hate it but it does nothing at all for me. Thing was, I thought movie molds might make for interesting MW figures.

It isn't a bad figure but it is by no means a "good" toy either.

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