Paramount News: Date Set for Animated Transformers Film + Skydance Media Ends their Deal

Does this mean Apple is entering the movie market?

TulioDude wrote:Does this mean Apple is entering the movie market?

They already did. Have you watched Wolfwalkers?

william-james88 wrote:

TulioDude wrote:Does this mean Apple is entering the movie market?

They already did. Have you watched Wolfwalkers?

Nope.

Collider interviewed Lorenzo di Bonaventura about the upcoming 2024 animated Transformers film, where he is one of the main producers. The movie will take place entirely on Cybertron where we will see much younger versions of characters like Optimus Prime and Megatron. Here is what Lorenzo had to say:

"I could tell you really important parts of this story, which is more than a tease. This is something we were trying to do; we debated a lot about it in live action, and it just was financially impossible to do, which is, the origin story of young Megatron and young Optimus. If you know the origin, they started as friends, and over time things devolved for them and they ended up on two sides. So we're telling the young Optimus and the young Megatron story. We really are telling the origin story of all Transformers, both what they were at the beginning of it, to how they grow, to how they grow apart."

"We’re hoping that there is enough emotional construct to that, that would lead to a trilogy of it because, personally, I think there's a natural trilogy. I'm not always looking to do multiple movies, but there's a natural trilogy around their relationship. So, you're going to see Cybertron in a way you've never seen it, that no one's ever seen it before. Because we're doing an animation, we're allowed to really go all out. If you tried to make this live-action, it would probably be a billion-dollar movie or something."

"You're going to see a lot of the origins of the society, and what broke it apart. The analogy for me is a bit like Krypton when you saw the planet falling apart, and all that. We're not there for a short time, we're there the entire time of the movie, we're on Cybertron, but we are in the challenge that, if you know the lore, they begin to question the hierarchy of how their society has gotten stratified, and how the common man doesn't have the voice, entirely, that they want to have. We're following very true to the origin story of it, and so it's really fun, too, because I've gotten to see some of it – it's not fully executed by any stretch of the imagination, but hearing Optimus and Megatron not as who we know them as, which we see their maturation in this experience. So, in a sense, you're hearing a different character because you're hearing them before they have matured."

"It's not a coming-of-age story. I don't think you’d believe that, in a way, but I would say they're young men who are finding their path. Like I said, it's more than a tease, that's what the story is, and that's the experience you're going to go through. And how they question society, just like all of us, too, could question our society. We’re maybe not as strong as Megatron and Optimus, so maybe we wouldn't make the same choices, but I think it's really going to be an eye-opener for the fans. For the non-fans, you're going to get to meet the characters in their early formation."

"I would say this, we don't spend a lot of time thinking about two and three because it's always hard to do one well. But there is a natural trilogy coming out of this friendship where you can see the divisions and the possible attractions to each other, and why that should play out over three movies, is very natural. So we have a good sense in the broadest terms, but in the broadest terms, we know what the second movie would be about and the third movie would be about through the eyes of what this relationship's going through. So the exact plotting, we haven't worked on that, but how that relationship evolves, devolves, evolves, devolves, all that stuff, that's what's going to drive it if we get lucky, if the first one's a success."

Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?

First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?

It sounds similar to how IDW handled it, which I enjoyed. The Trilogy idea he mentions basically makes me believe that we want see Optimus and Megs come to proper blows till the 3rd movie, which could be interesting, or fail. Still, nice to see more being done with it given how little we hear on it.

First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?

I mean, as a prequel to a series about a millennia long war, I’d be puzzled if there wasn’t some kind of political element to it. Intergalactic wars don’t just happen in a vacuum (wink)

pre war?

Stormshot_Prime wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?

I mean, as a prequel to a series about a millennia long war, I’d be puzzled if there wasn’t some kind of political element to it. Intergalactic wars don’t just happen in a vacuum (wink)

As long as it doesn't get preachy. I miss the days when movies were all about entertainment and didn't have to have a specifically "relevant" political view. The poor writing and getting overly preachy was part of what ruined Jodie Whitaker's run as The Doctor. TV and Movies are an escape for us, there doesn't need to be a "real world relevancy" to the fiction they are telling despite what the writers of pretty much every movie and show think right now.

Tell a good, well-developed story. Don't get preachy about your politics. Make money. The End.

So, you're going to see Cybertron in a way you've never seen it, that no one's ever seen it before.

Considering this pitch, is that supposed to be ironic?

"and how the common man doesn't have the voice"
"but I would say they're young men who are finding their path."

Overly humanising and riffing off of IDW, then? This seems so incredibly safe and generic.

Just animate Megatron:Origin. There's your Pre-War Cybertron story done in one. It gives both Pax and Megs their character arcs and ideological differences. Without undue padding.

You guys do remember that it was the first live-action movie and its tie-in comics (Movie Prequel, Defiance, and Foundation, specifically) that started the idea of Optimus and Megatron as former friends and "brothers" who had a falling out when the war started, right?

It was then the Aligned media (particularly the Exodus novel and flashbacks in the Prime cartoon) that fleshed out this idea into a full-fledged backstory, which IDW, Cyberverse, and the Netflix WFCT cartoon only took afterward.

This description just sounds like it's gonna be yet another version of that backstory.

First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?

It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.

william-james88 wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?

It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.

I understand that completely. The original G1 cartoon was good vs evil, freedom vs domination. Eventually they added the aspect of freeing from slavery (the QUintessons). That said, my worry is that it's going to be OVERLY preachy, trying to sell the viewer on the views (whether left or right) of the writer/director/producer and thus destroy the quality of the entertainment.

First-Aid wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?

It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.

I understand that completely. The original G1 cartoon was good vs evil, freedom vs domination. Eventually they added the aspect of freeing from slavery (the QUintessons). That said, my worry is that it's going to be OVERLY preachy, trying to sell the viewer on the views (whether left or right) of the writer/director/producer and thus destroy the quality of the entertainment.

The whole premise of Transformers from the outset was an embittered Civil War. Although initially Sunbow dumbed down adjusted their series for kids, presenting this war in the simplest way possible. We are several decades passed that now. Objectively, in a conflict spanning millions of years, there is no "good vs. evil".

There is no sugar coating what a Civil War is. What it means. Just seeing the franchise at the base G1 level of "toys being smashed together" is naiveté to the very narrative of the source material. That's why Megatron: Origin worked. Why I think it would hit all the right notes for what this "unique" pitch wants to stretch into three films.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?

It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.

I understand that completely. The original G1 cartoon was good vs evil, freedom vs domination. Eventually they added the aspect of freeing from slavery (the QUintessons). That said, my worry is that it's going to be OVERLY preachy, trying to sell the viewer on the views (whether left or right) of the writer/director/producer and thus destroy the quality of the entertainment.

The whole premise of Transformers from the outset was an embittered Civil War. Although initially Sunbow dumbed down adjusted their series for kids, presenting this war in the simplest way possible. We are several decades passed that now. Objectively, in a conflict spanning millions of years, there is no "good vs. evil".

There is no sugar coating what a Civil War is. What it means. Just seeing the franchise at the base G1 level of "toys being smashed together" is naiveté to the very narrative of the source material. That's why Megatron: Origin worked. Why I think it would hit all the right notes for what this "unique" pitch wants to stretch into three films.

First Aid talked about the woke/cultist politics like every isms under the sun, pronoms shenanigans, and weird sex stuff. Those are way too current year and USA centric. If those are in, these will make a cringe and bad movie.

The universal politics like civil war, defending freedom, corruption, betrayals, all those things that are part of stories told since millennia are UNIVERSAL and can stand the test of time. Usually, such stories, in the hands of competent writers who have actual life experience, can become classics that can remain relevant forever.

There's around 10000 years of written and told stories that proves it.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Why do I have a feeling this is going to devolve into a political statement movie?

It will have politics for sure, it's been part of the brand for a long time. Whether or not it triggers you will depend on you.

I understand that completely. The original G1 cartoon was good vs evil, freedom vs domination. Eventually they added the aspect of freeing from slavery (the QUintessons). That said, my worry is that it's going to be OVERLY preachy, trying to sell the viewer on the views (whether left or right) of the writer/director/producer and thus destroy the quality of the entertainment.

The whole premise of Transformers from the outset was an embittered Civil War. Although initially Sunbow dumbed down adjusted their series for kids, presenting this war in the simplest way possible. We are several decades passed that now. Objectively, in a conflict spanning millions of years, there is no "good vs. evil".

There is no sugar coating what a Civil War is. What it means. Just seeing the franchise at the base G1 level of "toys being smashed together" is naiveté to the very narrative of the source material. That's why Megatron: Origin worked. Why I think it would hit all the right notes for what this "unique" pitch wants to stretch into three films.

First Aid talked about the woke/cultist politics like every isms under the sun, pronoms shenanigans, and weird sex stuff. Those are way too current year and USA centric. If those are in, these will make a cringe and bad movie.

The universal politics like civil war, defending freedom, corruption, betrayals, all those things that are part of stories told since millennia are UNIVERSAL and can stand the test of time. Usually, such stories, in the hands of competent writers who have actual life experience, can become classics that can remain relevant forever.

There's around 10000 years of written and told stories that proves it.

You explained it better than I did. Thanks, bro.

Incidentally, this isn't just about "woke". I don't give a rats a$$ which direction the writer leans. I don't want to see their political views interfering with the movie. Like Optimus being converted to a female Autobot at some point or Ironhide being a card-carrying NRA member or whatever. Leave that shtuff out and tell us about Transformers.

-Kanrabat- wrote: Those are way too current year and USA centric.

I see. That's why I wasn't really following. I guess it doesn't alleviate any concerns when the pitch refers to Prime and Megs as "young men".

Why is it so hard for people to see that Transformers are sentient alien robots? Use that as the foundation of your story. Without humanising to the point of making a story so generic it could be about anyone. Not specific to the Transformers.

First-Aid wrote:Ironhide being a card-carrying NRA member

Oh God, this needs to happen. I'd laugh out loud so much!

-Kanrabat- wrote:Some Bolshevik

At least try to be original. I'm so very tired of reading the same thing over and over from you regularly.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Some Bolshevik

At least try to be original. I'm so very tired of reading the same thing over and over from you regularly.

Too bad you can't seem to accept basic truths and common sense.

Just get out of your comfort zone and look at the past year's biggest success VS the biggest flops just on the movie front.

Also, look at the movies that remain popular even decades after they are out. There's a common thread that link all of these successes. Meaning prioritising UNIVERSAL VALUES and ENTERTAINMENT.

What's so hard to understand about that?