Quick Review of Upcoming Legacy Deluxe Junkion Motorcycle Mold

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm not expecting another one. But an update to Armada Jetfire is a reasonable expectation, right? So why couldn't Hasbro wait and made Galaxy Shuttle out of that, instead of a mold that's already compromised and barely pulls of a shuttle mode as it is?

0 development cost, including thousands saved on mold development. I spoke to Hasbro personally about this and this galaxy shuttle was designed back in 2017, under John Warden, so way before the idea of going big on Armada like we are seeing now. The alt head for Astrotrain was Galaxy Shuttle and thus part of that original molding.
In the end, the answer to most questions is cynically "money". And making it an exclusive meant Hasbro got a guarantee order fill from walmart for a new product of the highest exclusive size class which the current team didn't spend a dime on designing. This was basically free money for them.

All that could have been also applied to a potential new Armada Jetfire, with the exception of it being designed by John Warden.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm not expecting another one. But an update to Armada Jetfire is a reasonable expectation, right? So why couldn't Hasbro wait and made Galaxy Shuttle out of that, instead of a mold that's already compromised and barely pulls of a shuttle mode as it is?

0 development cost, including thousands saved on mold development. I spoke to Hasbro personally about this and this galaxy shuttle was designed back in 2017, under John Warden, so way before the idea of going big on Armada like we are seeing now. The alt head for Astrotrain was Galaxy Shuttle and thus part of that original molding.
In the end, the answer to most questions is cynically "money". And making it an exclusive meant Hasbro got a guarantee order fill from walmart for a new product of the highest exclusive size class which the current team didn't spend a dime on designing. This was basically free money for them.

All that could have been also applied to a potential new Armada Jetfire, with the exception of it being designed by John Warden.

It can't because doing anything except using what already exists would mean spending money on a new mold. Releasing Galaxy shuttle was a decision done now. So they preffer spending nothing. Plus, they'll use every asset they have, this never used molding was one of them. You are asking them to spend money doing à design they already have.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm not expecting another one. But an update to Armada Jetfire is a reasonable expectation, right? So why couldn't Hasbro wait and made Galaxy Shuttle out of that, instead of a mold that's already compromised and barely pulls of a shuttle mode as it is?

0 development cost, including thousands saved on mold development. I spoke to Hasbro personally about this and this galaxy shuttle was designed back in 2017, under John Warden, so way before the idea of going big on Armada like we are seeing now. The alt head for Astrotrain was Galaxy Shuttle and thus part of that original molding.
In the end, the answer to most questions is cynically "money". And making it an exclusive meant Hasbro got a guarantee order fill from walmart for a new product of the highest exclusive size class which the current team didn't spend a dime on designing. This was basically free money for them.

All that could have been also applied to a potential new Armada Jetfire, with the exception of it being designed by John Warden.

It can't because doing anything except using what already exists would mean spending money on a new mold. Releasing Galaxy shuttle was a decision done now. So they preffer spending nothing. Plus, they'll use every asset they have, this never used molding was one of them. You are asking them to spend money doing à design they already have.

I think Rodimus just really, really doesn't like siege Astrotrain (I however do like it, so the Galaxy train reuse was a good idea.)

This galaxy shuttle turned out looking great. And supposedly, it has been underoriduces with 0 stock allocations to asia. So this toy has the potential of rising in value and going nuts on the aftermarket.

william-james88 wrote:This galaxy shuttle turned out looking great. And supposedly, it has been underoriduces with 0 stock allocations to asia. So this toy has the potential of rising in value and going nuts on the aftermarket.

I was lucky to have found mine in store.

But I'm not buying another at walmart.ca. 80$ is too high for a bet.

william-james88 wrote:This galaxy shuttle turned out looking great. And supposedly, it has been underoriduces with 0 stock allocations to asia. So this toy has the potential of rising in value and going nuts on the aftermarket.

I hope there's some more made and that it doesn't get too expensive too quickly. I preordered mine and have it now but I might want another one to two more.

I would've loved if they put Astrotrain's head in the box as well. Then maybe have had a decal sheet for sigils and a few other things. This way you could've made it either Galaxy Shuttle or the black and white Takara Astrotrain deco. So that's a second one I would need as well as an Astrotrain head.

The third one would require a new head mold entirely. That of Gobots Spay-C. Or rather, of her Super Gobots toy in particular. I found one on Shapeways but it's for PotP Blast Off and it's based on her normal toy/character model head.

It's not perfectly colored for either character but then again, it's not perfect for Galaxy Shuttle as it is. I would've gotten at least two when they were up for preorder but I was hurting for money at the time from the hurricane in my area and what not but I can afford another one or two now.

Grahf_ wrote:I would've loved if they put Astrotrain's head in the box as well. Then maybe have had a decal sheet for sigils and a few other things. This way you could've made it either Galaxy Shuttle or the black and white Takara Astrotrain deco.

I too, would have loved that. Maybe an upgrade kit that include an Astrotrain head and some Reprolabels?

Here's my quick impressions on my recent 3 Legacy acquisitions.

Armada Starscream did impress me. The bot is perfect all over and his transformations took some clever turns. Especially for the calves panels that not only fill in the gaps, but also fill in the space between the legs in spaceship mode. They didn't had to do that, but they did. Chapeau.

Inferno is truly a mini MP like most current Generations beasts. He's perfect and his face is very expressive. But trying to transform him without instructions completely stumped me. What I anticipated was completely wrong and I had to rely on the instructions. In the end, this make a very nice ant.

Prime Arcee. The thing I hated since I saw the first stock pictures. I bought her because it was just 20$CAN so meh, let's see how horrible she is. Of course she can't hold a candle to the OG 1st Ed Prime and RID Prime. But by itself, that version is way better than anticipated. In person, her feminine features are present despite her squarish torso. He major flaw by design is the front section of the bike is made to pop off at the slightest touch for some reasons. The bot is acceptable. But why her weapons are a DJ table and a pizza? As for the transformation, I made it halfway before having to rely on the instructions. The resulting bike is pretty damn good and compact. I may never have paid the full price for her, but at 20$CAN instead of 35/40$, I have no regrets.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm not expecting another one. But an update to Armada Jetfire is a reasonable expectation, right? So why couldn't Hasbro wait and made Galaxy Shuttle out of that, instead of a mold that's already compromised and barely pulls of a shuttle mode as it is?

0 development cost, including thousands saved on mold development. I spoke to Hasbro personally about this and this galaxy shuttle was designed back in 2017, under John Warden, so way before the idea of going big on Armada like we are seeing now. The alt head for Astrotrain was Galaxy Shuttle and thus part of that original molding.
In the end, the answer to most questions is cynically "money". And making it an exclusive meant Hasbro got a guarantee order fill from walmart for a new product of the highest exclusive size class which the current team didn't spend a dime on designing. This was basically free money for them.

All that could have been also applied to a potential new Armada Jetfire, with the exception of it being designed by John Warden.

It can't because doing anything except using what already exists would mean spending money on a new mold. Releasing Galaxy shuttle was a decision done now. So they preffer spending nothing. Plus, they'll use every asset they have, this never used molding was one of them. You are asking them to spend money doing à design they already have.

You might be misunderstanding me. I'm speaking in terms of hypotheticals. If that wasn't clear, my mistake. My entire argument is based on the "what if" of an updated Armada Jetfire having been done. Thus, if we had both a new Jetfire and Siege Astrotrain, I would have preferred Galaxy Shuttle to come from the latter (assuming it's a good mold). The situation would have been the same. Galaxy Shuttle would have been made out of an already existing mold, as was with Astrotrain, except we would have gotten it from a mold whose sole dedication was being a space shuttle in alt mode (and maybe being pants for Optimus, but that wouldn't have affected the shuttle mode much).

ZeroWolf wrote:I think Rodimus just really really doesn't like siege Astrotrain.

Also true, but it wasn't really the main reason I brought this up, it was more trying to find the best possible/potential option for Galaxy Shuttle.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm not expecting another one. But an update to Armada Jetfire is a reasonable expectation, right? So why couldn't Hasbro wait and made Galaxy Shuttle out of that, instead of a mold that's already compromised and barely pulls of a shuttle mode as it is?

0 development cost, including thousands saved on mold development. I spoke to Hasbro personally about this and this galaxy shuttle was designed back in 2017, under John Warden, so way before the idea of going big on Armada like we are seeing now. The alt head for Astrotrain was Galaxy Shuttle and thus part of that original molding.
In the end, the answer to most questions is cynically "money". And making it an exclusive meant Hasbro got a guarantee order fill from walmart for a new product of the highest exclusive size class which the current team didn't spend a dime on designing. This was basically free money for them.

All that could have been also applied to a potential new Armada Jetfire, with the exception of it being designed by John Warden.

It can't because doing anything except using what already exists would mean spending money on a new mold. Releasing Galaxy shuttle was a decision done now. So they preffer spending nothing. Plus, they'll use every asset they have, this never used molding was one of them. You are asking them to spend money doing à design they already have.

You might be misunderstanding me. I'm speaking in terms of hypotheticals. If that wasn't clear, my mistake. My entire argument is based on the "what if" of an updated Armada Jetfire having been done. Thus, if we had both a new Jetfire and Siege Astrotrain, I would have preferred Galaxy Shuttle to come from the latter (assuming it's a good mold). The situation would have been the same. Galaxy Shuttle would have been made out of an already existing mold, as was with Astrotrain, except we would have gotten it from a mold whose sole dedication was being a space shuttle in alt mode (and maybe being pants for Optimus, but that wouldn't have affected the shuttle mode much).

ZeroWolf wrote:I think Rodimus just really really doesn't like siege Astrotrain.

Also true, but it wasn't really the main reason I brought this up, it was more trying to find the best possible/potential option for Galaxy Shuttle.

Ah yes, I had not understood the hypothetical aspect. Sadly (or happily if people liked the toy) the reason we ended up with this galaxy shuttle as it is has less to do with them wanting the character out and more to do with filling up a slot for Walmart.

Back to your hypothetical, I preffer the option we got over a redeco of Armada Jetfire. I like him being isolated rather than giving him a combining element.

Way back When we got Siege/ER Astrotrain, I thought Galaxy Shuttle might be a reuse, except for the fact that he is too small. But here we are. It's ok, I still haven't tried super glue to tighten the knee joints, I've just been dealing with others things lately. Other than having a brand new CC toy,which isn't going to happen, The Galaxy Shuttle from Astrotrain we got was the next best option, even if it was a distant 2nd.

There have been several reports of Walmart now liquidating their Legacy exclusives from the beginning of the year (Nightprowler, Sandstorm and Buzzsaw), now that Christmas has come and gone. It is not a country wide change in price but the $17 price has come up at several Walmarts in different states through stickers. These are the 3 Beast Wars redecos. If you held off getting these, maybe now would be a good time to get them. Who would have thought that the near mythical Nightprowler toy finally existing would have garnered such little interest.
The specific image below is from Traachon who posted it here.

We thank Bot Bender Orinj for what we are about to show you. They got their hands on the upcoming Scraphook and wasted no time discovering that toy's potential. Below is a video tutorial of how to turn him into a sidecar for Wreckgar along with images of either multiple Scraphooks together, or combinations with the fossilizers and even how well it works as a combiner component using a general shapeways piece that lets a combiner peg combine to a 5 mm peg. Enjoy!

Damn those Walmart beast repaints! They were the biggest waste. They’ve clogged shelves for a year now.
Never saw anything in Legacy after that wave.

cruizerdave wrote:Damn those Walmart beast repaints! They were the biggest waste. They’ve clogged shelves for a year now.
Never saw anything in Legacy after that wave.

I never, ever saw those at my local Walmart.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:Damn those Walmart beast repaints! They were the biggest waste. They’ve clogged shelves for a year now.
Never saw anything in Legacy after that wave.

I never, ever saw those at my local Walmart.

I see nothing BUT those at my locL WalMarts. Dozens of them.

Holy crap! That Junkion is amazing! I may have to pick up a couple...

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:Damn those Walmart beast repaints! They were the biggest waste. They’ve clogged shelves for a year now.
Never saw anything in Legacy after that wave.

I never, ever saw those at my local Walmart.

I see nothing BUT those at my locL WalMarts. Dozens of them.

This is just poor distribution at play.

william-james88 wrote:Who would have thought that the near mythical Nightprowler toy finally existing would have garnered such little interest.

Same thing happened with the reissue Stepper/Ricochet at TRU years ago, no? Highly sought after G1 toy, but little to no interest on a reissue.

Something that came to me while meditating this morning, what happened to the clear "Energon" weapons that were supposed to be the gimmick of Legacy?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Something that came to me while meditating this morning, what happened to the clear "Energon" weapons that were supposed to be the gimmick of Legacy?

Many of them ended up being opaque Energon weapons instead.

Tarantulas's saw weapon, for instance, is his Energon weapon.

MeGrimlock78 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Who would have thought that the near mythical Nightprowler toy finally existing would have garnered such little interest.

Same thing happened with the reissue Stepper/Ricochet at TRU years ago, no? Highly sought after G1 toy, but little to no interest on a reissue.

Kind of, but that was a little different. Takara did a book-reissue of Stepper first, which I believe just about every western fan who actually knew the character bought the import of, myself included, never even considering the possibility of a Hasbro release. That left Ricochet on TRU shelves in front of fans who'd never heard of this random repaint of Jazz. I worked at TRU then, and old-school fans were too pissed about who wasn't getting a Hasbro reissue (mostly Megatron), to bother with some "new" guy. On top of that, he was bastardized in both tooling (though I guess anyone could've just cut the "safety" stem off the back of the launcher) and name: Quickmix was my first Targetmaster, so little yellow Ricochet made an impression on me that chafed at Hasbro seemingly slapping that name on every exclusive toy they couldn't get a better trademark for, similar to what was done with Overrun a few years later. I doubt many more fans double-dipped Rick-whatever than bought the cropped-for-safety Optimus Prime reissue after getting New Year's Convoy.

Nightprowler, on the other hand, NEVER existed until now, and so FINALLY we get...probably the least-interesting-looking Halloween Horrorcon. I mean, next to the other repaints of deluxe Kingdom molds, he strikes me as what Fox KIDS! Cheetor should've looked like: light grey, like Rhinox, Waspinator, Dinobot, and undead Transmetal Tarantulas. Camouflage bland enough to fade back into obscurity, so his target will never see him coming...or care.

It is kind of interesting that modern versions of a toy-that-shoulda'-been, a BotCon exclusive character, and a mass-release repaint character all shelfwarmed about equally badly. One or all of those guys should've been Pulse or Amazon exclusives while show-deco Terrorsaur should've been on store pegs. Guess we live and learn.

Oh, as for the Junkitizer gimmick, seeing Scraphooks with leg-adapters makes me think we need a proper Junkion Voyager torso now, even more than during PotP. Maybe Hot Spot retooled into Animated Wreck-Gar so CW Wreck-Gar could tack on too. Anyone know of any 3P/3D-printed wheels that could attach to PotP Elita-1 and double as convincing turbines? I've been meaning to repaint her into Nancy for years.

Also, could this drive the price of Fossilizers up on the secondary market? Those pics just made fossils the new death-metal!

Meanwhile I’ve still yet to see any of these in-store.

I don't like partsformers, but I have to admit those pictures are impressive.

Just try to imagine what someone could create with only half a dozen of those figure: kind of Hero Mashers figures from Hasbro

Upcoming?

Doesn't matter how they repaint or lower price of that cheetor mold eeeewww.

Barricade.it wrote:I don't like partsformers, but I have to admit those pictures are impressive.

Just try to imagine what someone could create with only half a dozen of those figure: kind of Hero Mashers figures from Hasbro

The cool thing about these us that the parts forming is optional. They convert from robot to vehicle without parts forming.

rikkomba wrote:Upcoming?

The release isn't widespread yet. Still nothing shipping from US retailers yet, for instance.

So, catching up on the past 2 weeks or so...

Animated Prowl looks surprisingly good to me. i wish the face and thighs were leaner for a more Animated look, but he does look the part. I like him, and will get him. He is far better than the 3 2022 Prime Legacy figures, itself a sad fact. Why must you butcher the toys for the cartoons I loved most Mr hasbro?

The bike Junkion looks really cool, I like how the junkions are coming together. Love how unique and interesting the robot mode is too. I like it a lot.

prime Skyquake continues to look very good, I like how this one was done, they were much more successful with this one than the first 3 Prime figures.

Lady nemesis sounds wonderful, I cannot wait to pit her against Iaconus.

Armada Prime sounds great.

Commander Ultra Magnus is groanworthy levels of unnecessary.

As for some newer figures, Skullgrin is not perfect, and I would say is inferior to the older generations toy, but is still fun and can throw some good shapes.

Starscream took Victory Saber's blast effects, and rocks them far better than he did.

Minerva adds some nice additional presence to the current Victory gang on my shelf (and not in moving totes), but putting her with VS made me realize, VS and Minerva just aren't that good. I was excited for both, and they have both been pretty mediocre. It's sad that Galaxy Shuttle ended up being the superior Victory toy for me this year.

Great posing in all of your pics, especially Skullgrin.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Great posing in all of your pics, especially Skullgrin.

Thank you. That's why i love having a spot at work for figures, so they can stretch themselves out and see what they can do

Hmm Interesting I just got a notice from Amazon that the estimated delivery date of one of the Legacy Evolution Core Dinobots (Slug) has been bumped up to next week (1/4/23) from March 4th originally...No update on my other wave 1 pre-orders...

o.supreme wrote:Hmm Interesting I just got a notice from Amazon that the estimated delivery date of one of the Legacy Evolution Core Dinobots (Slug) has been bumped up to next week (1/4/23) from March 4th originally...No update on my other wave 1 pre-orders...

Deep Discount and Movies Unlimited have Sludge in stock already. New year, same as the old one.

Good! Finally going to get my Nemesis. I wish they skipped the stupid Cybertron Metroplex & released the Nemesis right after the Ark. I finally have something Transformers related to look forward to along with Snarl & Swoop. I haven't really been interested in anything since Earthrise ended.

I'm still waiting for SS Skywarp from the Bumblebee movie. What's taking so long?

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Good! Finally going to get my Nemesis. I wish they skipped the stupid Cybertron Metroplex & released the Nemesis right after the Ark. I finally have something Transformers related to look forward to along with Snarl & Swoop. I haven't really been interested in anything since Earthrise ended.

I'm still waiting for SS Skywarp from the Bumblebee movie. What's taking so long?

To be fair, hasbro have always released rivals in gaps. Look at the time between Metroplex and Trypticon, or Fortress and Scorponok or Devy and Omega Supreme.

Not to say all rivals will be Titan class sized as Predaking's rival was released in Commander Class

If we say that Predaking's rival is Raiden ( as seen in the Headmasters TV series). Instead of Skylinx, then it can truly be said that every Titan had their rival released (or begin to) 4 years apart. The only exception being Raiden as an MP instead of Generations. And of course The Ark and Nemesis being only 2 years apart.

Does that mean we will get a CC Cybertron Menasor in 2026? Who knows

Since the classes have been redefined according to detail vs physical size of character in fiction, that opens up a lot more slots for future CC toys.

Since a CC SS86 Magnus is coming, it seems logical that soon after a SS86 Optimus Prime CC may follow. It's not necessary for me, but seems almost inevitable since Kingdom Rodimus.

o.supreme wrote:If we say that Predaking's rival is Raiden ( as seen in the Headmasters TV series). Instead of Skylinx, then it can truly be said that every Titan had their rival released (or begin to) 4 years apart. The only exception being Raiden as an MP instead of Generations. And of course The Ark and Nemesis being only 2 years apart.

Does that mean we will get a CC Cybertron Menasor in 2026? Who knows

Since the classes have been redefined according to detail vs physical size of character in fiction, that opens up a lot more slots for future CC toys.

Since a CC SS86 Magnus is coming, it seems logical that soon after a SS86 Optimus Prime CC may follow. It's not necessary for me, but seems almost inevitable since Kingdom Rodimus.

Ss86 commander Prime is a certainty. Crazy how when it will be released it will be only fractionally cheaper than when Walmart got the MP10 release

o.supreme wrote:If we say that Predaking's rival is Raiden ( as seen in the Headmasters TV series). Instead of Skylinx, then it can truly be said that every Titan had their rival released (or begin to) 4 years apart. The only exception being Raiden as an MP instead of Generations. And of course The Ark and Nemesis being only 2 years apart.

Does that mean we will get a CC Cybertron Menasor in 2026? Who knows

Since the classes have been redefined according to detail vs physical size of character in fiction, that opens up a lot more slots for future CC toys.

Since a CC SS86 Magnus is coming, it seems logical that soon after a SS86 Optimus Prime CC may follow. It's not necessary for me, but seems almost inevitable since Kingdom Rodimus.

I don't think Hasbro count Headmasters in this case

Deluxe class figures for 12.99? Heck yeah!
Walgreens is currently clearencing out there Christmas Toys at 50% off. Can confirm this at multiple stores. One of them in North Vernon IN is including both Kingdom Red Alert and Legacy Minerva, meaning 2 Deluxes for the price of one.

One note: when I purchased mine Minerva rang up as Sale:17.99 so this may not be intentional, and Red didn't ring up at all, but the store clerk caught the error before I said anything. If you are still looking for Minerva or been on the fence on Red, now might be a fantastic time to go hunting.

(Cross posted from news Submission)

Walmart, why?



They have Deluxe figures on the shelf so they're balancing Legacy Leaders on the pegs. Doesn't even have a hanger, it's just crammed in there.

Emerje

I remember after a reset earlier this year, Walmart was hanging all Leaders on pegs. I didn't understand it then and I don't understand it now.

By the way, I think there was some chatter earlier about not seeing Jhiaxus on shelves. In the Northeast Georgia area I've run across him a decent number of times since October or so (and a couple Soundwaves). But I had gotten him from Amazon over the summer. Wave 2 (?) Core figures pop up now and again. I think I've seen one each of Shockwave and G2 Megatron, the latter of which I bought at the time and I believe I mentioned it here. I've seen two or three Blitzwings in total.

Still zilch for deluxes past wave 1. If those start showing up at Ross or Marshalls I might get some there. I've only nabbed Skids, Tarantulas, and the Stunticons thus far. Minerva will be bought if I ever find her. Still not sure about Crankcase. I finally found a way to justify Pointblank if I see one: I can start a collection of Autobot Targetmasters with Siege Crosshairs, who now has a spot in my collection since Siege Ironhide has been usurped by the SS. (and I guess I could track down a T30 Scoop) It's a solid mold so having a figure still use it will be nice, and I can eat my cake with the screen accurate ironhide.

william-james88 wrote:Ss86 commander Prime is a certainty. Crazy how when it will be released it will be only fractionally cheaper than when Walmart got the MP10 release

Will this just be the ER "voyager" but with a proper trailer that have Roller, the command center, diaclone consoles, weapon racks, trailer "legs", proper mud-guards, and a longer trailer overall?

Or beside that "real" trailer, will we get a completely new mold for Optimus? Maybe they could take a clue from the KO companies and just release an undersized MP-10?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Ss86 commander Prime is a certainty. Crazy how when it will be released it will be only fractionally cheaper than when Walmart got the MP10 release

Will this just be the ER "voyager" but with a proper trailer that have Roller, the command center, diaclone consoles, weapon racks, trailer "legs", proper mud-guards, and a longer trailer overall?

If it's going to be a retool of the Ultra Magnus, I think it'll be the next version of Powermaster Prime. Otherwise they have to make a completely new trailer, even if they just reuse the base Prime figure. I think if there will be a Legacy PM Prime, Hasbro should take the already released Prime version of Kingdom Magnus and just give him a retooled Magnus trailer.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Ss86 commander Prime is a certainty. Crazy how when it will be released it will be only fractionally cheaper than when Walmart got the MP10 release

Will this just be the ER "voyager" but with a proper trailer that have Roller, the command center, diaclone consoles, weapon racks, trailer "legs", proper mud-guards, and a longer trailer overall?

If it's going to be a retool of the Ultra Magnus, I think it'll be the next version of Powermaster Prime. Otherwise they have to make a completely new trailer, even if they just reuse the base Prime figure. I think if there will be a Legacy PM Prime, Hasbro should take the already released Prime version of Kingdom Magnus and just give him a retooled Magnus trailer.

SS86 Optimus Prime CANNOT ever be "Powermaster Prime". That would be either a Select release, or a Legacy one. So that's why I call for a "downsized MP-10".

I still don't think they'll do a white prime for an animation accurate Ultra Magnus. I really do think they'll just do a Combiner Wars/Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and have the cab directly transform to Magnus.

Will I be proved wrong? Probably asylum predictions often do the reverse of what I say.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Ss86 commander Prime is a certainty. Crazy how when it will be released it will be only fractionally cheaper than when Walmart got the MP10 release

Will this just be the ER "voyager" but with a proper trailer that have Roller, the command center, diaclone consoles, weapon racks, trailer "legs", proper mud-guards, and a longer trailer overall?

If it's going to be a retool of the Ultra Magnus, I think it'll be the next version of Powermaster Prime. Otherwise they have to make a completely new trailer, even if they just reuse the base Prime figure. I think if there will be a Legacy PM Prime, Hasbro should take the already released Prime version of Kingdom Magnus and just give him a retooled Magnus trailer.

SS86 Optimus Prime CANNOT ever be "Powermaster Prime". That would be either a Select release, or a Legacy one. So that's why I call for a "downsized MP-10".

Right. I really meant to say the engineering will be very similar, the figures obviously won't be the same. My bad.

ZeroWolf wrote:I still don't think they'll do a white prime for an animation accurate Ultra Magnus. I really do think they'll just do a Combiner Wars/Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and have the cab directly transform to Magnus.

Will I be proved wrong? Probably asylum predictions often do the reverse of what I say.

I'll say what I said before when it was first leaked: An Ultra Magnus that skips the "white Prime" doesn't need to be a Commander class. A smaller SS86 version of Combiner Wars UM in the movie style (and without a "Micromaster") would fit perfectly fine as a Leader class SS86 figure. To fit the the Commander Class price it has to include a "white Prime". The catch is that they can make it possible to change him from truck to full bot without having to change the cab and it would still be screen accurate.

Emerje

I'll go one further.

A Studio Series Ultra Magnus should explicitly not include a White Prime

But of course screen accuracy only matters when it's convenient

King Kuuga wrote:I'll go one further.

A Studio Series Ultra Magnus should explicitly not include a White Prime

But of course screen accuracy only matters when it's convenient

This^

I get what you're saying Emerje but I would like to see a white prime less option. We'll just have to see what the designers are cooking up.

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I still don't think they'll do a white prime for an animation accurate Ultra Magnus. I really do think they'll just do a Combiner Wars/Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and have the cab directly transform to Magnus.

Will I be proved wrong? Probably asylum predictions often do the reverse of what I say.

I'll say what I said before when it was first leaked: An Ultra Magnus that skips the "white Prime" doesn't need to be a Commander class. A smaller SS86 version of Combiner Wars UM in the movie style (and without a "Micromaster") would fit perfectly fine as a Leader class SS86 figure. To fit the the Commander Class price it has to include a "white Prime". The catch is that they can make it possible to change him from truck to full bot without having to change the cab and it would still be screen accurate.

Emerje

I agree. I just don’t see a Commander Class Magnus with all that it entails, not having a white Prime inside.
There’s just to much budget there to use up, that a Magnus without a Prime simply does mot need.

It also gives them a new Prime to release later in SS-86 with a larger trailer and all his accessories also at commander class.