Rumors - Michael Bay Speaks Briefly on Transformers 5 and Beyond

Hello fellow Sybertronians. I think this is great news to tie the previous 4 movies together. It will help build continuity and go a long way to a shared universe. Personally, I'd like to see them try a combiner again. It was such a hit in the second movie and really carried the watered down (writers strike) script. As long as Bay can bring his dependable action sequences, the 5th installlent should be successful. Let's explore some new characters as well!

Such a hack. Wish he'd just move on to something else.

I'm glad Bay's in charge of this one.

I know I'm going to catch a lot of flak for this but,as long as it's better than the 3rd movie I'll be happy. The 4th one was good, once I finally got around to watching it. DoTM put me so off the movies that I waited until AoE was uploaded to Netflix before watching it.

Black Bumblebee wrote:Such a hack. Wish he'd just move on to something else.

Did people say same thing about George Romeo who made nothing and started whole zombie movie series?

dragons wrote:

Black Bumblebee wrote:Such a hack. Wish he'd just move on to something else.

Did people say same thing about George Romeo who made nothing and started whole zombie movie series?

George Romero invented the Zombie genre with vision. Bay is just scrambling and stumbling his way through this franchise with zero understanding of the source material to bang out a buck for movie execs and line pockets. He is NOT doing the characters or the franchise justice by rebooting them in his uninformed and belligerent style. The movies are painful and repulsive to watch for ME as a life long fan of TF's...... IMO of course.
I'm bummed to see that once again he has the helm.

the only thing I hope, is a rich Legion class collection, just like the first 3 movies... Hasbro really messed up with AoE Legion class

Still haven't seen 4, will probably not see 5 either.

You can't even say Bay started the trend of live-action adaptations of cartoons. People had already been doing that for decades to varying success.

I'm vaguely curious as to how any of this ties together. The movies have such sloppy continuity I almost don't see a point... other than to ape Disney.

I'll reiterate what I've said before. Bay is not the sole issue at play with these movies. There's also the writers, the producers, and other members of the production staff. Getting rid of Bay won't solve every problem, and it seems to be less that he won't give these movies up and more that the movies won't give him up. I really get the feeling that he'd honestly like to let go of these movies, but everyone else involved keeps pulling him back in because, in spite of every flaw the previous movies had, they were still super financially successful, and Bay's involvement seems to be what the higher ups believe to be a key aspect of that financial success these movies keep having. So if Bay is to ever finally be let go, these movies are gonna have to somehow stop making so much money. But they're such big moneymakers that I just don't see that happening and thus don't see the higher up be willing to set Bay free anytime soon. But even if they were to do so, there's still the other members of the production staff to contend with.

Sabrblade wrote:I'll reiterate what I've said before. Bay is not the sole issue at play with these movies. There's also the writers, the producers, and other members of the production staff. Getting rid of Bay won't solve every problem, and it seems to be less that he won't give these movies up and more that the movies won't give him up. I really get the feeling that he'd honestly like to let go of these movies, but everyone else involved keeps pulling him back in because, in spite of every flaw the previous movies had, they were still super financially successful, and Bay's involvement seems to be what the higher ups believe to be a key aspect of that financial success these movies keep having. So if Bay is to ever finally be let go, these movies are gonna have to somehow stop making so much money. But they're such big moneymakers that I just don't see that happening and thus don't see the higher up be willing to set Bay free anytime soon. But even if they were to do so, there's still the other members of the production staff to contend with.

Bravo. You're very right. honestly i very much remember what he said in the commentary to the second or third one. "If these movies are so bad than why do they keep being so successful?" You can't argue that. Yes, you can go to any fandom forum and you'll find a bitter group that just want to say how much they hate him and his he's damaging transformers but honestly he's not and these movies aren't. I know plenty of people who are not fans of the franchise and fandom like we are but see the movies because they're fun action films and they are. They're harmless.

These movies are an option to see, if after 5 films you want to continue complaining then please move one. Obviously they're not for you and we are lucky enough to be in a time when there's so many different branches in transformers that you can find something you can enjoy and if you honestly can't than enjoy what you liked when you were a kid. Throw in the DVDs to G1, collect the old stuff or classics. Go back and watch Animated or beast wars or God forbid the unicorn trilogy. Or and dare I say and please don't take this personal, maybe move on.

Something I'm starting to see over the past couple years now is people finally saying "these movies just aren't for me which is fine. I like the comics, or RiD/Prime or generations" I wish more people would be like that.

I would like to see them stitch the movies together and make sense of it. Should make John Barber the screen writer.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I would like to see them stitch the movies together and make sense of it. Should make John Barber the screen writer.

John actually did that!...sort of. When he was placed in charge of the movie comics for dark of the moon he added text stories at the end of every issue for the prequels that tied plot holes together. The only one I remember fondly is the one about Thundercracker stealing one of Sentinel's space bridge nodes and using it to release the fallen from his sarcophagus.

If you haven't seen any of that stuff check them out on the tfwiki. The summaries are all there. They're pretty neat.

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I would like to see them stitch the movies together and make sense of it. Should make John Barber the screen writer.

John actually did that!...sort of. When he was placed in charge of the movie comics for dark of the moon he added text stories at the end of every issue for the prequels that tied plot holes together. The only one I remember fondly is the one about Thundercracker stealing one of Sentinel's space bridge nodes and using it to release the fallen from his sarcophagus.

If you haven't seen any of that stuff check them out on the tfwiki. The summaries are all there. They're pretty neat.

I did see that thanks! It's mainly his role in trying to comically patch things together, not to mention his current IDW run that has basically put the IDW-verse in order, that make me wish he would

Sabrblade wrote:I'll reiterate what I've said before. Bay is not the sole issue at play with these movies. There's also the writers, the producers, and other members of the production staff. Getting rid of Bay won't solve every problem, and it seems to be less that he won't give these movies up and more that the movies won't give him up. I really get the feeling that he'd honestly like to let go of these movies, but everyone else involved keeps pulling him back in because, in spite of every flaw the previous movies had, they were still super financially successful, and Bay's involvement seems to be what the higher ups believe to be a key aspect of that financial success these movies keep having. So if Bay is to ever finally be let go, these movies are gonna have to somehow stop making so much money. But they're such big moneymakers that I just don't see that happening and thus don't see the higher up be willing to set Bay free anytime soon. But even if they were to do so, there's still the other members of the production staff to contend with.

The director has far more pull than you seem to suggest here. The Director is in complete control of all art direction, plot production and story telling. He has utmost control and artistic direction of the film. The execs and producers give concepts and idea but it;s the directors job to establish credibility, believability and continuity to the product they've invested in financially. It's not their job to make the movie and tell the story but only to finance it. It's the directors job, in tandem with writers, to weave the story and create the cohesive plot development along with the characters, their aesthetics, and establish a rich story arc that engages the audience. Bay, along with Hasbro unfortunatley, have an unlimited lexicon of material to research in which to create a cohesive and colourfull vision of the Transformer franchise and it's universe but he seems to resist to do so and to sell that to Hasbro execs. He's a bull in a china shop as far as i'm concerned and a pawn. He's not the Director that should be at the helm of this project any longer. The torch needs to be passed on to somebody that gives a shiet and has a vision and actually appears to give a fu@ck about the story behind it all.

acchillyaout wrote:Hello fellow Sybertronians. I think this is great news to tie the previous 4 movies together. It will help build continuity and go a long way to a shared universe. Personally, I'd like to see them try a combiner again. It was such a hit in the second movie and really carried the watered down (writers strike) script. As long as Bay can bring his dependable action sequences, the 5th installlent should be successful. Let's explore some new characters as well!

Yeah, such a big hit. It was combined just long enough for a juvenile and idiotic joke about giant metal balls before it was defeated by the power of the U.S. Navy.
Maybe in the next one they can use the combiner to make a joke about metal vaginas and have it be defeated by Coast Guard.

To be fair the navy did have a nonexistent prototype rail gun (or mass driver). That's the kind of text that would bring a tf down, even a combiner. A plot hole would of been the fact it was never used again (I'm talking about Dark of the Moon here)

Or do you have a problem with humans taking down tfs. For me? I'm okay with it, though it all depends on how it happens.

ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair the navy did have a nonexistent prototype rail gun (or mass driver). That's the kind of text that would bring a tf down, even a combiner. A plot hole would of been the fact it was never used again (I'm talking about Dark of the Moon here)

Or do you have a problem with humans taking down tfs. For me? I'm okay with it, though it all depends on how it happens.

It's not a plot hole, it's just a stupid plot point and how it was handled. The Decepticons have unleashed this ultimate weapon for the purpose of ... tearing down a pyramid? Really? Plus this huge monstrosity at the climax of the film is defeated by a cell phone call to the Navy who shoot him with a rail gun. So this huge thing, seemingly unstoppable thing is put down not by Optimus Prime, not by any characters or elements that have been established earlier in the movie.
Nope, he's destroyed by the crew of a navel ship hundreds of miles away who we as a film audience don' t know and have never seen before.

It would be like if the first Star Wars movie ended with the dog fight at the Death Star. Only this time instead of Luke blowing up the Death Star, Leia calls her uncle who shoots it with a different superweapon that was never established prior in the movie, and then never seen again.

Plus it had that crass joke about robot testicles. Completely indefensible.

I wasn't defending that bit of the scene though. I'm just defending humans killing a tf. I'll give you that bay should never write a movie (RotF could have been a different movie had it been completed after the writers strike), I'll also give you that it was a complete waste of devy but I suspect hasbro wanted to sell toys which is fair enough. But humans should be allowed to kill tfs. We are a very capable species at building good effective ways to kill things. Tfs would be no different.