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Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

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Saturday, August 20th, 2016 1:41PM CDT

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Every two weeks, Seibertron.com brings you a Top 5 list related to all things Transformers written by me, your fellow editor. These are my opinions (just like movie or game reviews hosted by sites are still just the opinion of one person) so what matters most is what you guys think of the topic or list, and I hope to see your own lists or comments on omissions and ranking. Let's have fun! All previous lists can be found here.

Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)


Regardless of your thoughts on the Transformers films themselves, no one can deny that the movie era pushed the engineering of Transformers toys to new heights. The quest to reverse engineer CG! models that cheated in their transformation resulted in the most detailed and complex toys we have ever seen. This list is very simple, it simply lists the best toys of characters that were seen in the movies. To show the result of the sometimes impossible task of having these CGI models become toys, I have included these models, or shots from the films. The parallel is what will really sell my point of view on each toy and I encourage anyone who doesn't have these toys to click on their image and see the gallery in full. These toys are all perfect or near perfect in terms of accuracy and they are all feats in their own way

5. Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Long Haul

We don't see him much in Revenge of the Fallen, but the toy captures his likeness well. I like how unique the transformation is and how impressive it is to see that both modes are quite tight while neither share many of the same parts and details (something very common in the movie line). He also has a bunch of fun features like flip out swords, a working open box bed that can be lifted, and working gears and pistons in robot mode. Gorgeous detailing all around and a unique transformation. He also has a stellar redeco as Payload who has a paint job that would make any of today's toys jealous.

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)


4. Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Leader Optimus Prime

This toy is insane. There is a reason this mold is still used years after the film and it is the ultimate mold for the movie rendition of the Optimus Prime character (even more so than the actual movie Ultimate Optimus). Simply said, this is the best movie Optimus toy from the initial movie trilogy, every fan should experience it.

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)


3. Transformers Dark of the Moon Leader Sentinel Prime


While Optimus Prime is great, I am more impressed by this mold and how the chest transforms. It is probably the most intricate version of the now typical windshield on chest transformation. Everything contorts and reshapes itself to become new robot mode detail. He is also the best shellformer from the movie line (a line which saw a resurgence of shellformers, which laid dormant since the end of beast wars), turning his shell into a cape, an effect that painstakingly translates well from the silver screen to the toy. Its success is proven through the failure of the voyager release which shows us how tricky this design can be.

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)


2. Transformers Hunt For The Decepticons Human Alliance Jazz

This is a perfect movie toy in every sense. The transformation is smart, satisfying and never annoying. Plus, the details are excellent, just look at how close they got to the CG model. They even give us the flip down visor which is the icing on the cake.

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)


1. Transformers Hunt For The Decepticons Leader Starscream

Any fan of this brand cannot ever truly hate everything about the movies with this toy being a part of it. With no hyperbole, this toy is absolutely perfect. It was tough getting there though. Firstly, the revamped Starscream design was so far from the original character design that he would be unrecognizable if not named. Also, every toy of his had major issues. He ether had no hands or hands which were far too apparent, making me wonder if there was even a point to this more realistic take on Starscream if they weren't going to give us a realistic jet with no robot kibble. We eventually did get this toy though and, at least for me, all was forgiven. Finally, the arms (who have hands, a gatling gun and missiles) are were well disguised to the point of completely disappearing in jet mode. Speaking of the jet mode, it didn't have any protruding robot kibble, everything was nice and smooth and it had a nice uniform undercarriage filling out the plane and not really giving a hint at robot parts (but rather mechanical detail). Also, and this point is more important than you might realize, this is the best example of cockpit integration with 0 left over kibble, ever found on a fighter jet. If you look at the generic seeker design all through Transformers history, you will see that the key is to have the cockpit run vertically along the chest but not show the nosecone. The G1 toys had to push the nosecone to the back behind the head and so did the classics version. Even the Masterpiece seeker mold is left with a massive amount of protruding jet kibble on the back to store the nosecone. However this toy hides it away elegantly and effortlessly.

This toy is relentlessly detailed and screen accurate. There are many separate pieces which shift in perspective by being moving from the background to foreground while transforming him. It really feels like there is a robot inside the jet made up of all the jet parts and you uncover him through the transformation leaving no extra pieces behind. Unlike other intricate toys, what amazes me about this one is how sturdy it is. It welcomes your desire to transform it and play with it while also being a perfect display piece. While it is complex, the transformation is intuitive. Think of the satisfaction you get when transforming MP 10 (Masterpiece Optimus Prime) only this lasts longer. Speaking of Masterpiece toys, I consider this the accomplishment of the concept started by Shōji Kawamori (the man who designed G1 Optimus and YF 1 Valkyrie), who wanted to create the perfect Transformers jet toy with minimal robot kibble. His attempt was Masterpiece Starscream, which didn't work out since the underside was still very visibly a robot. He had found that he would be unable to have it transform into a robot with the likeness of the character. This toy however achieves that great looking jet mode with a less obvious undercarriage and plus, it looks exactly like the character it is portraying.

Speaking of Masterpiece Transformers, this toy shares far more with the post MP 10 (Optimus) line with it's strive for screen accuracy, licensed alt mode (like with the MP cars), attention to detail, clever transformation and overall sturdiness. Well, that would only make sense since it was designed and engineered by none other than the very same guy at Takara who made the following masterpiece molds: MP 10 (Optimus), MP 12 (Sideswipe), MP 13 (Soundwave), MP 17 (Prowl), MP 20 (Wheeljack), and MP 21 (Bumblebee) among others. He even contributed to our dear Human Alliance Jazz right above. In short, this toy only lacks the name Masterpiece on the box to say that this is what it truly is. Oh wait, the Takara version does have that written on the box, I guess that settles it then.

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)

Transformers News: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy)
Transformers Masterpiece Movie Series Starscream Gallery

Honourable Mentions: While there are other great toys out there, there are two that need to be mentioned because if not it would be a glaring omission. I do not own HA Barricade due to how hard he is to find and his price (hence why he isn't an easy recommendation), but the Seibertron Staff wanted me to point him out as also being a true Masterpiece level achievement in execution.
Also, I wanted to add DOTM Megatron to this list but I just couldn't think of anyone that should be kicked off to include him. I really love how this is a very original design for Megatron and a breath of fresh air to his usual movie aesthetic with a nice sold earth alt mode. His Transformation is perfect, and so is his weapon integration in vehicle mode. While the scarf hiding his face makes for a really nice effect when you get it right, it isn't the easiest thing to keep in place and it makes his head really small if you take it off. I would have also much preferred him to be leader size so that we could have a beautiful display alongside the three leader figures mentioned above.

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Transformers Chronicles Megatron (DOTM) Gallery

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Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1817031)
Posted by RAR on August 20th, 2016 @ 2:04pm CDT
No one ever remembers to split Starscream's toes out.

I kinda like HA Skids myself.
I also like Takara later remould of Leader AOE Prime - it's just complex enough to be fun but not a huge pain in the backside like ROTF Prime is.

I can't put Sentinel on any positive list his lack of heel spurs means he falls over way to easily. he's no fun at all trying to shoehorn into vehicle mode either.

I'd perhaps pick some merit in Leader Brawl or Deluxe Rampage.
Even Ravage as just a cat is extremely accurate.

My fav Movie mould isn't a screen character though that is Landmine.

Shame they don't make them like they used to as i'd still like a nice Movie Scrapper Deluxe or Voyager toy.

Many of the toys are nice enough - just rather small like Bonecrusher.

In terms or enjoyment though I still play with Deluxe 2007 Barricade all the time I've never stopped since 2007 he's still sitting near me as I type this - in two colours even.

If you are willing to take non-transforming toys the Replica Robot Frenzy is very accurate too.
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Posted by Decepticon Stryker on August 20th, 2016 @ 2:09pm CDT
I will always imagine Barricade's voice as Keith David thanks to the 2007 Movie videogames for the Nintendo DS. I really love those games.
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Posted by Carnivius_Prime on August 20th, 2016 @ 2:19pm CDT
Now this is my kind of TF toy list! While I may not agree with order here I will accept every figure mentioned being a superbly designed toy and feat of TF engineering whether you like the movies (like me) or don't.


In regards to Starscream and Barricade I'm also extremely impressed with their Deluxe toys from Dark of the Moon. Barricade's is a huge improvement over his 2007 figure that shows they learned a bit from designing the excellent Human Alliance figure. And Deluxe Starscream may be too small for the character scale-wise but for those of us who can't afford the Leader figure it's still an extremely well designed rendition of the character perhaps more impressive in some ways because of the size and looks great in both both and jet mode. I'm actually still fond of the 2007 Jazz figure (particularly the Platinum version with it's lovely silver paint and extra details) but I wish Hasbro would have done a similar trick here and used what they learnt from the HA figure to create a new Deluxe.

Same could be said for Voyager class Battle Blade Optimus Prime which provided a great figure if you wanted something a bit smaller than the RotF Leader mold (especially if posing with DotM Megatron) since it's basically the same design shrunken down a bit with some changes.

And then there are the various Bumblebees. The 70's Camaro toy wasn't great but the modern Camaro figure that followed it was a great toy and a sign of things to come. They have improved on that figure many times with subsequent releases and reversions so it's up to personal preference to pick a favourite and the larger Battle Blade Bumblebee is one of mine (even though it's most recent version is now classed as a Voyager I think due to shrinking toy sizes since it's original release).

Other faves of mine of movie line figures of characters actually in the first 3 movies include Ironhide (DotM deluxe, voyager and leader versions all have their good points), RotF Leader Jetfire (I'm fond of his unique crotchety old man robot form and his huge blackbird jet mode), Sidearm Sideswipe (bloody love that toy), RotF Leader Megatron (chunky evil deathbot), Mixmaster (love that gangly alien bot mode and his oddly stylish looking cement truck), DotM Soundwave (both deluxe and HA figures are nice but hard to find) and Legends class Scorponok and Ravage which are much more suitable scale-wise than their Deluxe figures). I probably have others but that's what I can think of right now while I'm typing at same time I'm having a slightly late dinner before I do more work. :)
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Posted by RiddlerJ on August 20th, 2016 @ 2:36pm CDT
That Starscream mold is great. One of the best Leader toys of any series.
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Posted by Braker on August 20th, 2016 @ 3:09pm CDT
Decepticon Stryker wrote:I will always imagine Barricade's voice as Keith David thanks to the 2007 Movie videogames for the Nintendo DS. I really love those games.

Same here. For me, that's Barricade's only voice.
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Posted by Zeek99g on August 20th, 2016 @ 3:52pm CDT
I would put DotM Megatron at the top of my list. He is incredibly detailed.

I do hope Hasbro does a good job with the next Megatron toy and make him as good as the DotM Megatron, just bigger.
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Posted by Ultra Markus on August 20th, 2016 @ 3:53pm CDT
i can agree with leader starscream but at the same time i think the DOTM deluxe version is also great
not to much kibble in jetmode and robot mode looks great
an honorable mention should also be special ops bumble bee has a very nice robot mode and car mode
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Posted by butcher31 on August 20th, 2016 @ 6:01pm CDT
I was concerned when you put rotf Optimus so early on, but you were totally right with the remaining list. I should never have doubted. Leader class Starscream is one of the greatest toys I own.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 20th, 2016 @ 8:30pm CDT
There is absolutely NOTHING I can say against this list. Great job! :APPLAUSE:
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Posted by Skullfire on August 21st, 2016 @ 8:37am CDT
Listing a top 5 for the first film trilogy figures is a tough call. It is a shame william-james88 didn't get his hands on a Barricade. They can be had for about $60 now, but watch out for fakes!

Anyhow the reason I would have put Barricade as the #1 figure over Starscream (he would have been my 2nd placer) has more to do with the subline the toy comes from and it's altmode than anything else. Human alliance is a very demanding line. It asks that the altmodes have to be as accommodating and detailed as the robot mode; detail is everything! Without calling it "Alternators" it pretty much brings the same level of quality collectors wanted plus an actual figure to drive the vehicle. Human Alliance toys had the necessary seats, opening doors, steering wheel and other car interior elements, it was always compromised by a bunch of robot parts. Because of the complexity of making a movie robot into its licensed movie car Hasbro designers were a bit forgiving on the cars interior. Not Barricade!

With the exception of a missing parking break and shift stick, the interior of Human Alliance Barricade is spot on Alternators quality. You can take a look at photos of the original film car and the toy and hell, they got everything right. including the seats. HA Barricade in altmode looks like the real thing. Another cool feature about HA Barricades car mode is that you can use his guns in altmode. Lots of good features in altmode really sets this figure apart from the rest of the pack, since the robot is so spot on with look of the film.

Now the Robot mode of the toy is equally amazing as we all know...especially with the inclusion of Frenzy. No stupid human characters we don't care about...just Frenzy. The options to place Frenzy on the bot mode are great, including having him explode out of his chest storage. Other features with Barricade include his articulated mouth, over all articulation, his spring out melee weapon and his non-movie but really awesome additional hidden canons and rocket launcher.

So, this is why Barricade would be my #1 out of all of the movie toys that have come out for transformers.
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Posted by RAR on August 21st, 2016 @ 8:48am CDT
I don't know if the new Bumblebee Movie is a prequel or not - but I hope they use it as an excuse to make a more appealing 1970's Camero Bee Deluxe toy.

I like the robot mode of the 1970's one a lot so I feel it's a shame they only had one attempt as a deluxe for that.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 21st, 2016 @ 1:43pm CDT
Perfect list, I totally agree with it
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Posted by Decepticon Stryker on August 21st, 2016 @ 5:01pm CDT
I have to say, the movieverse line has some of the best vehicle modes. They look really realistic (talking earth vehicles, not cybertron) almost as good as the Alternators line. The deluxe cars like Sideways and 2007 Barricade are really complete, and not showing any hands or feet sticking out. It also has the least amount of toys with visible head syndrome. Even those of you who don't like the movies have to admit that the vehicle modes look spectacular.
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Posted by YRQRM0 on August 21st, 2016 @ 5:42pm CDT
I agree mostly, I don't think Long Haul is worthy of the list though. The first deluxe BB (2007 Camaro) is one of the best deluxes ever imo. The poseability is really top notch, and the premium paint made it even more awesome. Head sculpts improved later on, but the rest of the bot mode was downgraded I think.

Also, ROTF Jetfire is an incredible figure. Very detailed, very accurate, combines with leader prime, and the jet mode is insanely good. He's a little hard to balance in robot mode, but it's actually pretty cool I think the way his cane helps him out. I know that he wasn't very accurate, but the voyager ROTF Megatron is a great one for me as well. Looks great, poses very well, and really rocks the shellformer look. The vehicle mode is quite nice as well.
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Posted by Overcracker on August 21st, 2016 @ 6:54pm CDT
Wait... no Ironhide? Even in passing, or as an honorable mention? I'm shocked. :shock: :shock:

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Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1817410)
Posted by william-james88 on August 22nd, 2016 @ 8:25am CDT
YRQRM0 wrote:Also, ROTF Jetfire is an incredible figure. Very detailed, very accurate, combines with leader prime, and the jet mode is insanely good.


I have problems with the jet mode, I really dont like all that robot kibble under it.

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Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Jetfire Gallery

Also, I find it a real pain to get all the panels right when turning him back into a jet.

Overcracker wrote:Wait... no Ironhide? Even in passing, or as an honorable mention? I'm shocked. :shock: :shock:

As far as I know, we never did get a decently sized Ironhide toy that had a screen accurate robot mode without sacrificing the alt mode with a bunch of robot kibble (and vice versa). His toys also tend to be more fiddly than other movie toys, with parts popping off.

I did already write about him though and which of his movie toys were the best if you are interested: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... oys/34301/
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1817524)
Posted by paul053 on August 22nd, 2016 @ 3:27pm CDT
Nice list. That make me miss those I've owned before. Now I only have leader Prime left.

I believe Demolishor deserved some attention too. He has a very unique robot mode and Hasbro really did make the treads happen to be in the circular thing.

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Posted by paul053 on August 22nd, 2016 @ 3:29pm CDT
Oh, and leader class Brawl. :michaelbay:
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1817531)
Posted by william-james88 on August 22nd, 2016 @ 3:36pm CDT
paul053 wrote:Oh, and leader class Brawl. :michaelbay:

Leader class Brawl is awesome, and he got a mention on this other top 5 list: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... oys/32291/
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Posted by TK415 on August 23rd, 2016 @ 2:50pm CDT
Great list. Thanks.

I love G1, and I would like to see every G1 toy updated into a Generations toy. With that as a goal I have also enjoyed seeing Transformers in such drastically different aesthetics. It is fun and you get such unique characters and interesting figures.
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1817887)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 23rd, 2016 @ 4:24pm CDT
TK415 wrote:Great list. Thanks.

I love G1, and I would like to see every G1 toy updated into a Generations toy. With that as a goal I have also enjoyed seeing Transformers in such drastically different aesthetics. It is fun and you get such unique characters and interesting figures.


Haters gonna hate, but even they can see that the movie lines brought some INSANE engeneering. Especially at ROTF.
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1817917)
Posted by TK415 on August 23rd, 2016 @ 5:14pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:
TK415 wrote:Great list. Thanks.

I love G1, and I would like to see every G1 toy updated into a Generations toy. With that as a goal I have also enjoyed seeing Transformers in such drastically different aesthetics. It is fun and you get such unique characters and interesting figures.


Haters gonna hate, but even they can see that the movie lines brought some INSANE engeneering. Especially at ROTF.

Good point.
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818131)
Posted by KennethAkfaer on August 24th, 2016 @ 8:06am CDT
Good idea only including the first trilogy :-D :-D
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818134)
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2016 @ 8:28am CDT
KennethAkfaer wrote:Good idea only including the first trilogy :-D :-D

Thanks ;)^ It made it easier to narrow down and AOE did feel like a new begining with a mostly new team for both themovie characters and the Hasbro toy design team.

In two weeks, I will do a similar list for the toys of off screen characters. I am assuming there will be some more debate there.

All this unanimous agreeing is a bit odd ;)
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Posted by KennethAkfaer on August 24th, 2016 @ 9:17am CDT
william-james88 wrote:In two weeks, I will do a similar list for the toys of off screen characters. I am assuming there will be some more debate there.

All this unanimous agreeing is a bit odd ;)


Then maybe a list for combiners?
Or a list for toys of human characters?

Besides, a list of all the lists? ;)
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Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2016 @ 9:25am CDT
KennethAkfaer wrote:
william-james88 wrote:In two weeks, I will do a similar list for the toys of off screen characters. I am assuming there will be some more debate there.

All this unanimous agreeing is a bit odd ;)


Then maybe a list for combiners?
Or a list for toys of human characters?

Besides, a list of all the lists? ;)


Haha, toys of human characters. That would be interesting but I dont have enough and Idont know if there are any dcent ones out there that would outdo this guy:

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Also, would Spike count?

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As for Combiners, I have trouble with that one in how to approach it. Should it be a list about the characters? Or the toys? And if its the toys, then how do we do it if the Hasbro Scramble city releases were all in individual members? Who do I count in the combined form? And would it be fair to have both G1 and the newer ones in the same list?

I feel like doing one for G1 combiners and one for post G1 combiners, how does that sound?
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Posted by KennethAkfaer on August 24th, 2016 @ 9:43am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
KennethAkfaer wrote:
william-james88 wrote:In two weeks, I will do a similar list for the toys of off screen characters. I am assuming there will be some more debate there.

All this unanimous agreeing is a bit odd ;)


Then maybe a list for combiners?
Or a list for toys of human characters?

Besides, a list of all the lists? ;)


Haha, toys of human characters. That would be interesting but I dont have enough and Idont know if there are any dcent ones out there that would outdo this guy:

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Also, would Spike count?

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As for Combiners, I have trouble with that one in how to approach it. Should it be a list about the characters? Or the toys? And if its the toys, then how do we do it if the Hasbro Scramble city releases were all in individual members? Who do I count in the combined form? And would it be fair to have both G1 and the newer ones in the same list?

I feel like doing one for G1 combiners and one for post G1 combiners, how does that sound?


And this guy?
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They are different type of combiners post G1. For example those 3-animal combiners in the BWN universe, the train combiner in RID2000, the Super-link toy line, and the power core line...
Not sure if the post-G1 concept could be able to cover them all... :-D :-D
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Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2016 @ 10:05am CDT
KennethAkfaer wrote:They are different type of combiners post G1. For example those 3-animal combiners in the BWN universe, the train combiner in RID2000, the Super-link toy line, and the power core line...
Not sure if the post-G1 concept could be able to cover them all... :-D :-D

Well if it is a list about the best, do you feel the ones you mentioned are better than the recent combiner toys? Because while it might not cover them all, I dont think a list of just CW/UW would work either snce there are too few of those, what do you think? Also, I am not a big fan of that SuperLik combiner, how about you?
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Posted by KennethAkfaer on August 24th, 2016 @ 10:21am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
KennethAkfaer wrote:They are different type of combiners post G1. For example those 3-animal combiners in the BWN universe, the train combiner in RID2000, the Super-link toy line, and the power core line...
Not sure if the post-G1 concept could be able to cover them all... :-D :-D

Well if it is a list about the best, do you feel the ones you mentioned are better than the recent combiner toys? Because while it might not cover them all, I dont think a list of just CW/UW would work either snce there are too few of those, what do you think? Also, I am not a big fan of that SuperLik combiner, how about you?

Personally I love the 3-animal combiners of BW: Megnaboss, Tripredacus and Magmatron.
Rail Racer (RID) is good as well.
And the famous TCC Nexus Maximus :APPLAUSE:
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818209)
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2016 @ 10:36am CDT
KennethAkfaer wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
KennethAkfaer wrote:They are different type of combiners post G1. For example those 3-animal combiners in the BWN universe, the train combiner in RID2000, the Super-link toy line, and the power core line...
Not sure if the post-G1 concept could be able to cover them all... :-D :-D

Well if it is a list about the best, do you feel the ones you mentioned are better than the recent combiner toys? Because while it might not cover them all, I dont think a list of just CW/UW would work either snce there are too few of those, what do you think? Also, I am not a big fan of that SuperLik combiner, how about you?

Personally I love the 3-animal combiners of BW: Megnaboss, Tripredacus and Magmatron.
Rail Racer (RID) is good as well.
And the famous TCC Nexus Maximus :APPLAUSE:


Haha, yeah Nexus Maximus, he'll definitely be on lists kept for exclusive toys.

I think we could cook something up for post G1 combiners if we stick to the cream of the crop.

5. RID Railracer
4. I dont know what I should do here, have another CW toy? Not a big fan of those energon combiners due to the way they do the hands as well as some being straight reecos in the same team and I am not fond of RID Landfill. Maybe I could put nexus maximus after all if he is the best of all those superlink combiners.
3. CW/UW Devastator
2. BW Tripedicus
1. I foresee this going to UW Computron who takes the best aspects of the entire CW line into one figure (best torso, and some of the best limbs with Groove and Rook)

Honourable Mentions: PCC Grimstone
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818223)
Posted by KennethAkfaer on August 24th, 2016 @ 10:45am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Haha, yeah Nexus Maximus, he'll definitely be on lists kept for exclusive toys.

I think we could cook something up for post G1 combiners if we stick to the cream of the crop.

5. RID Railracer
4. I dont know what I should do here, have another CW toy? Not a big fan of those energon combiners due to the way they do the hands as well as some being straight reecos in the same team and I am not fond of RID Landfill. Maybe I could put nexus maximus after all if he is the best of all those superlink combiners.
3. CW/UW Devastator
2. BW Tripedicus
1. I foresee this going to UW Computron who takes the best aspects of the entire CW line into one figure (best torso, and some of the best limbs with Groove and Rook)

Honourable Mentions: PCC Grimstone


Autobot Skids And Mudflap, ice cream time boys and girls
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818230)
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2016 @ 10:56am CDT
KennethAkfaer wrote:Autobot Skids And Mudflap, ice cream time boys and girls

Now you are getting into that murky territory as to what makes a combiner. Because if we count only 2 toys together then a lot fo options open up. Also, I thought a combiner was only when the actual robot mode is a combination of others, not the alt mode.

Regardless, I would keep it as at least 3 members with robot modes of their own that combine into a bigger robot to make things less confusing.
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818234)
Posted by KennethAkfaer on August 24th, 2016 @ 11:01am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
KennethAkfaer wrote:Autobot Skids And Mudflap, ice cream time boys and girls

Now you are getting into that murky territory as to what makes a combiner. Because if we count only 2 toys together then a lot fo options open up. Also, I thought a combiner was only when the actual robot mode is a combination of others, not the alt mode.

Regardless, I would keep it as at least 3 members with robot modes of their own that combine into a bigger robot to make things less confusing.


Agree! At least 3 individuals with both robot mode and alt mode, combine to form a bigger bot.
Cross my fingers and wait ;)^ ;)^ ;)^
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818238)
Posted by KennethAkfaer on August 24th, 2016 @ 11:06am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
KennethAkfaer wrote:Autobot Skids And Mudflap, ice cream time boys and girls

Now you are getting into that murky territory as to what makes a combiner. Because if we count only 2 toys together then a lot fo options open up. Also, I thought a combiner was only when the actual robot mode is a combination of others, not the alt mode.

Regardless, I would keep it as at least 3 members with robot modes of their own that combine into a bigger robot to make things less confusing.

I love your top 5 lists deeply. Would it be possible to make a list of all previous lists so we could read them from time to time :-D
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818247)
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2016 @ 11:13am CDT
KennethAkfaer wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
KennethAkfaer wrote:Autobot Skids And Mudflap, ice cream time boys and girls

Now you are getting into that murky territory as to what makes a combiner. Because if we count only 2 toys together then a lot fo options open up. Also, I thought a combiner was only when the actual robot mode is a combination of others, not the alt mode.

Regardless, I would keep it as at least 3 members with robot modes of their own that combine into a bigger robot to make things less confusing.

I love your top 5 lists deeply. Would it be possible to make a list of all previous lists so we could read them from time to time :-D

Yeah, it already exists right here:

master-list-for-top-5-best-transformers-lists-first-post-always-updated--t103024.php

Thanks for the kind words :)
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818251)
Posted by KennethAkfaer on August 24th, 2016 @ 11:17am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
KennethAkfaer wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
KennethAkfaer wrote:Autobot Skids And Mudflap, ice cream time boys and girls

Now you are getting into that murky territory as to what makes a combiner. Because if we count only 2 toys together then a lot fo options open up. Also, I thought a combiner was only when the actual robot mode is a combination of others, not the alt mode.

Regardless, I would keep it as at least 3 members with robot modes of their own that combine into a bigger robot to make things less confusing.

I love your top 5 lists deeply. Would it be possible to make a list of all previous lists so we could read them from time to time :-D

Yeah, it already exists right here:

master-list-for-top-5-best-transformers-lists-first-post-always-updated--t103024.php

Thanks for the kind words :)

Thanks! Bookmarked!
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818668)
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on August 25th, 2016 @ 3:33pm CDT
Since we've apparently all agreed that three robots who have both altmodes and robot modes make a combiner, then does that mean Armada Sideways is a combiner?
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818669)
Posted by william-james88 on August 25th, 2016 @ 3:37pm CDT
Decepticon Stryker wrote:Since we've apparently all agreed that three robots who have both altmodes and robot modes make a combiner, then does that mean Armada Sideways is a combiner?

Do they combine alltogether to make a larger robot?

But yeah, it would mean that Centuritron would be a combiner and so would those minicon combiners.
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818695)
Posted by KennethAkfaer on August 25th, 2016 @ 4:27pm CDT
Decepticon Stryker wrote:Since we've apparently all agreed that three robots who have both altmodes and robot modes make a combiner, then does that mean Armada Sideways is a combiner?


Then the G1 Overload, for the two litte masters with alt mode of chest.
Doubledealer with Knok & Skar.

And if we set the minimum number to 3, then Omega Prime(RID) won't be qualified... I will be very sad for this...
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818701)
Posted by TK415 on August 25th, 2016 @ 4:53pm CDT
Decepticon Stryker wrote:Since we've apparently all agreed that three robots who have both altmodes and robot modes make a combiner, then does that mean Armada Sideways is a combiner?

Wouldn't he be more of a special headmaster?
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818702)
Posted by william-james88 on August 25th, 2016 @ 4:56pm CDT
KennethAkfaer wrote:
Decepticon Stryker wrote:Since we've apparently all agreed that three robots who have both altmodes and robot modes make a combiner, then does that mean Armada Sideways is a combiner?


Then the G1 Overload, for the two litte masters with alt mode of chest.
Doubledealer with Knok & Skar.

And if we set the minimum number to 3, then Omega Prime(RID) won't be qualified... I will be very sad for this...

Omega Prime wouldnt count, thats more of a supermode.

Think of it this way, will I get more people thinking its false to include Omega Prime and Overlord in a list of COmbiners featuring Combiner Wars toy and Beast Wars Tripredicus? Or will I get the reverse?

I am dealing with the general sense of what people call combiners meaning that the bots act as different limbs and body parts building a larger robot. At least thats what i feel is the way to go, what do you guys think?

PS: Now do you see why I have avoided this list for so long? ;)
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818703)
Posted by TK415 on August 25th, 2016 @ 4:58pm CDT
KennethAkfaer wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
KennethAkfaer wrote:Autobot Skids And Mudflap, ice cream time boys and girls

Now you are getting into that murky territory as to what makes a combiner. Because if we count only 2 toys together then a lot fo options open up. Also, I thought a combiner was only when the actual robot mode is a combination of others, not the alt mode.

Regardless, I would keep it as at least 3 members with robot modes of their own that combine into a bigger robot to make things less confusing.


Agree! At least 3 individuals with both robot mode and alt mode, combine to form a bigger bot.
Cross my fingers and wait ;)^ ;)^ ;)^

What about this:
Combiner: any two or more Transformers that can link together in some way.
Gestalt: Three or more Transformers that form a unique alt mode.
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818706)
Posted by william-james88 on August 25th, 2016 @ 5:05pm CDT
TK415 wrote:Gestalt: Three or more Transformers that form a unique alt mode.

Care to give an example? The only one I can think of is Reflector.
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818709)
Posted by TK415 on August 25th, 2016 @ 5:32pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
TK415 wrote:Gestalt: Three or more Transformers that form a unique alt mode.

Care to give an example? The only one I can think of is Reflector.

Sorry, I just meant Superion is not a giant sized Air Raid. Unique as in unique character rather than just a powered/armored up character.

Gestalt = Any 3, 4, 5 or more character combiners.


How about this:
Combiner: any two or more Transformers that can link together in some way.
Gestalt: Three or more Transformers that combine to create an additional mode.
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818723)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 25th, 2016 @ 6:17pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
TK415 wrote:Gestalt: Three or more Transformers that form a unique alt mode.

Care to give an example? The only one I can think of is Reflector.


Armada Tidalwave, Beast Wars Neo Magmatron, Energon Omega Supreme... Well, those are ONE bot that can divide into multiple independant altmodes. What can we call that?

So, why not make FIVE lists of top fives?

----Top five GHESTALT (5 bots, one main torso, four limbs, all must have robot modes)

----Body with drones (One main bot that can transform, with 4 drones that only have a vehicle and limb mode. Think about Energon Optimus and all the Power Core Combiners)

----Combiner trios (All have a bot and vehicle mode, all combine to make a big bot.)

----Combiner armada (All have bot and alt modes, MORE than five must combine together to make the big bot)

----Combiner duos (Two bots, both have at least a bot and a alt mode, combine together to form a big bot. For example, many Optimus super modes, Energon Power Links, ect.)

----Finally, altmo combiners. (two or more individual vehicles/beasts with NO bot modes that combine into a single giant bot.)

Whatcha think?
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1818867)
Posted by william-james88 on August 26th, 2016 @ 10:27am CDT
I am thankful for all your help with this as well as ethusiasm, this is fun and keeps me going :)

The thing is, as many of you have realized, the Transformers community is very finicky and can get caught up on random details turning a moehill into mountain. And these lists work best when they are simple, like 5 best figures figures from the Cybertron line, or 5 best Beast Wars basics. And even then, its not obvious.

So I totaly get the need to go precise. But by doing things too on the nose, you kind of defeat the purpose of these lists, which is to highlight the best toys out there. Going with combiner trios or combiner duos ends up making lists just so that some are not ignored and doesnt really highlight that they are better than everything else out there.

For instance, Railracer is Awesome! But if i were to only put him in a list where all he is up against is minicon trio combiners then it desnt really make him look like he is one of the best. At least not as much as if he ended up in a list of top combiners period.

You guys get what I mean?

Transformers that combine and that fall in the cracks of a "top 5 combiner list" will eventually make it to other lists if they are actually good. If Energon Optimus is a really good toy, then he could make the Top 5 Energon Toys list (which I am thinking about now, with Tidal Wave as number 1). While Omega Prime could make the best RID list and so on and so forth. So in the end, no one would be ignored and if they are then its because they arent one of the best toys.
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Posted by Decepticon Stryker on August 26th, 2016 @ 8:13pm CDT
I know this is kinda off topic but I didn't know where to post this but doesn't Sky Lynx suffer from visible head syndrome? Yes, it is central to his altmode but... It's just right there. I don't know whether it's the best or worst case of visible head syndrome, but he has it.
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1819061)
Posted by william-james88 on August 26th, 2016 @ 9:37pm CDT
Decepticon Stryker wrote:I know this is kinda off topic but I didn't know where to post this but doesn't Sky Lynx suffer from visible head syndrome? Yes, it is central to his altmode but... It's just right there. I don't know whether it's the best or worst case of visible head syndrome, but he has it.

Haha, yeah he does. I would say its a good case of it since its not apparent in vehicle mode, kinda like Skystalker, who did get the number one slot. You can always write about skylynx here to see what others think: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ome/33664/
Re: Top 5 Best Transformers Movie Toys of Onscreen Characters (first trilogy) (1821018)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 2nd, 2016 @ 2:46am CDT
I think the Leader Class part of the movies lines are by far the best movie toys. I like all those you mentioned, the Leader Class versions, though I would put RoTF Prime at the top of the list, followed by Sentinel Prime and then Starscream. I am also a big fan of Ironhide as well as RoTF Megatron. So my list would be

5. Ironhide
4. Starscream
3. RoTF Megatron
2. Sentinel Prime
1. RoTF Optimus Prime

All Leader Class toys. I never handled Leader Brawl, so I can't comment. He does look good in the box. And once again, this list highlights the glaring mistake Hasbro made when they didn't produce a Leader Class DoTM Megatron.

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