Transformers Dark of the Moon Nominated for 6 Golden Raspberry Awards

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:GaGa, here's the problem. It's not that you must conform to extremes of love or hate, it's that you start a thread clearly claiming you are happy that DotM is nominated win Razzies. The relevance of the Razzies (and don't get me wrong, they are not relevant) is not important, nor are claims of you having to conform to extreme opinions.

What I'm calling you on is that you are essentially saying, "This is something I liked and I'm happy that it's being branded as utter crap."

It's a matter of you giving us nothing to take you seriously by.

Its amusing, because it is. If you can't laugh at yourself and what you like, then thats your fault, not mine. I am highly amused by things that demean what I like, but that's because I don't get personally offended when things I like are insulted.

5150 Cruiser wrote:Oh please.. Your not fooling anyone. Every movie thread you have been envolved with has been to deminer or critisise the movie. Don't sit there and even try and act like you did this just cause you didn't see a thread about it. Nearly every coment out of your mouth is negative.
No one is putting any words in your mouth. Your actions do that just fine. And call me a kid all you want. Concidering that i'm older than you, that just makes you a baby!(again, your actions are proving that)
Now start acting right before i take you over my knee boy!

Yes, a lot of my comments are negative. But that's because nearly every other comment is for. I gladly point out flaws in everything I watch. I read Naruto, doesn't mean I don't see the constant flaws and comment on them. I love watching Glee, although I wont sit back all the huge flaws they consistently make. There are PLENTY of things I love that are critically panned and I know it and I love it. It's not just DOTM, I'm just not the person who's going to sit back and say something is perfect when it very clearly isn't and I'm not going to get behind people insulting or demeaning things that are considered more perfect in order to try and make what they like seem better.

Call me baby all you want, I really don't care, kiddo.

Mistaking "not being able to take a thing you say seriously" with "angry because you find criticism with things you like" is your malfunction in this thread, not ours. What sets me off is fallacious logic, and your posts stink of it.

Capt.Failure wrote:Mistaking "not being able to take a thing you say seriously" with "angry because you find criticism with things you like" is your malfunction in this thread, not ours. What sets me off is fallacious logic, and your posts stink of it.

Honey, no. The only reason you don't take it seriously is BECAUSE its criticism of things you like. My points are always valid. Yours, not so much.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:Mistaking "not being able to take a thing you say seriously" with "angry because you find criticism with things you like" is your malfunction in this thread, not ours. What sets me off is fallacious logic, and your posts stink of it.

Honey, no. The only reason you don't take it seriously is BECAUSE its criticism of things you like. My points are always valid. Yours, not so much.

"Nobody but me is right!"

Yep, not conceited at all. And I'm not your "honey." I have better standards than that. Now if you'll excuse me I prefer to post in threads with merit, not thinly disguised flame bait.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:Mistaking "not being able to take a thing you say seriously" with "angry because you find criticism with things you like" is your malfunction in this thread, not ours. What sets me off is fallacious logic, and your posts stink of it.

Honey, no. The only reason you don't take it seriously is BECAUSE its criticism of things you like. My points are always valid. Yours, not so much.

"Nobody but me is right!"

Yep, not conceited at all. And I'm not your "honey." I have better standards than that. Now if you'll excuse me I prefer to post in threads with merit, not thinly disguised flame bait.

Oh, dear. I think you mistook a phrase I use on everyone for one chosen specially for you. Sorry! I have no interest in you lol.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:GaGa, here's the problem. It's not that you must conform to extremes of love or hate, it's that you start a thread clearly claiming you are happy that DotM is nominated win Razzies. The relevance of the Razzies (and don't get me wrong, they are not relevant) is not important, nor are claims of you having to conform to extreme opinions.

What I'm calling you on is that you are essentially saying, "This is something I liked and I'm happy that it's being branded as utter crap."

It's a matter of you giving us nothing to take you seriously by.

Its amusing, because it is. If you can't laugh at yourself and what you like, then thats your fault, not mine. I am highly amused by things that demean what I like, but that's because I don't get personally offended when things I like are insulted.

Its not about getting offended when the things you like are insulted. captain failure is 100% correct. Your contradicting yourself left and right. If you can't see that in this thread and nearly every other movie thread your involved in then thats your fault. You claim to like the movie yet you seem to go out of your way in attempts to prove other wise.

Starscream GaGa wrote:Yes, a lot of my comments are negative.

All of your comments about the movies are negative.

Starscream GaGa wrote: I gladly point out flaws in everything I watch. I read Naruto, doesn't mean I don't see the constant flaws and comment on them. I love watching Glee, although I wont sit back all the huge flaws they consistently make. There are PLENTY of things I love that are critically panned and I know it and I love it. It's not just DOTM, I'm just not the person who's going to sit back and say something is perfect when it very clearly isn't and I'm not going to get behind people insulting or demeaning things that are considered more perfect in order to try and make what they like seem better.

Call me baby all you want, I really don't care, kiddo.

Its one thing to point out flaws. I'll be the first to admit DOTM is far from perfect, but again, you claim to have enjoyed the movie yet every post of yours is a negative comment against it. This makes it very hard to take your defenses seriously.

5150 Cruiser wrote: Its not about getting offended when the things you like are insulted. captain failure is 100% correct. Your contradicting yourself left and right. If you can't see that in this thread and nearly every other movie thread your involved in then thats your fault. You claim to like the movie yet you seem to go out of your way in attempts to prove other wise.

No, I didn't. You keep saying I've said things I haven't, that's completely different.

5150 Cruiser wrote: All of your comments about the movies are negative.

I was one of the first people on this forum to see the movie, because I won a competition to see it before release and my review was very positive.

5150 Cruiser wrote: Its one thing to point out flaws. I'll be the first to admit DOTM is far from perfect, but again, you claim to have enjoyed the movie yet every post of yours is a negative comment against it. This makes it very hard to take your defenses seriously.

Quite frankly I don't think you can say wether I like it or not. I want to discuss flaws when I mention flaws, not high-five over what they did right, this forum has enough of that.

And with that, I'm out. Not a single comment on this thread has been on topic. You two just brought different debates and your personal opinion on me in here and took it to hell. Tra la! Seeya!

Starscream GaGa, Capt. Failure, and 5150 Cruiser, all of you need to stop before things go downhill. I will issue warnings if you persist in this argument.

Please keep the conversation focused on the topic.

1- This thread is raping my internethood

2- Am I crazy for wanting DOTM to win everthing? If Bay would have a sense of humor, he'd attend.

RhA wrote:1- This thread is raping my internethood

2- Am I crazy for wanting DOTM to win everthing? If Bay would have a sense of humor, he'd attend.

I'm pretty sure Bay doesn't give a frak one way or another. His reaction to critics is generally to chuckle and say, "Get a load of this guy." Granted if critics reacted with the general childish vitriol to films I made I would also be the better man and ignore them too. Considering the Razzies are an award founded by such trol-er...sorry, "critics" it's no surprise he doesn't attend.

Granted I'd also like to see it, just so he could say, "Thank you for saying my multi-billion dollar film trilogy is somehow a failure, calling my fans and by extension your readers idiots, and making yourselves look like 4chan posters on what are supposed to be sources of professional journalism. This award will be without a doubt the most expensive piece of toilet paper I've ever used."

Capt.Failure wrote:

RhA wrote:1- This thread is raping my internethood

2- Am I crazy for wanting DOTM to win everthing? If Bay would have a sense of humor, he'd attend.

I'm pretty sure Bay doesn't give a frak one way or another. His reaction to critics is generally to chuckle and say, "Get a load of this guy." Granted if critics reacted with the general childish vitriol to films I made I would also be the better man and ignore them too. Considering the Razzies are an award founded by such trol-er...sorry, "critics" it's no surprise he doesn't attend.

Granted I'd also like to see it, just so he could say, "Thank you for saying my multi-billion dollar film trilogy is somehow a failure, calling my fans and by extension your readers idiots, and making yourselves look like 4chan posters on what are supposed to be sources of professional journalism. This award will be without a doubt the most expensive piece of toilet paper I've ever used."

In a banana suit.

RhA wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

RhA wrote:1- This thread is raping my internethood

2- Am I crazy for wanting DOTM to win everthing? If Bay would have a sense of humor, he'd attend.

I'm pretty sure Bay doesn't give a frak one way or another. His reaction to critics is generally to chuckle and say, "Get a load of this guy." Granted if critics reacted with the general childish vitriol to films I made I would also be the better man and ignore them too. Considering the Razzies are an award founded by such trol-er...sorry, "critics" it's no surprise he doesn't attend.

Granted I'd also like to see it, just so he could say, "Thank you for saying my multi-billion dollar film trilogy is somehow a failure, calling my fans and by extension your readers idiots, and making yourselves look like 4chan posters on what are supposed to be sources of professional journalism. This award will be without a doubt the most expensive piece of toilet paper I've ever used."

In a banana suit.

My suppressed camp gay side would disagree. Bay's a pretty stylish dresser and wouldn't wear a banana suit.

it deserves all of these

I really don't think DOTM was a bad movie. In fact, it was a vast improvement over the first two. Especially you, ROTF, you know what you did. It wasn't a great movie, let's be honest here, it's a Michael Bay flick; dumb but lovable. But the worst any-of-those-things? I think not. Honestly the other nominees are way worse than any of the nominees for DOTM.

Shadowman wrote:I really don't think DOTM was a bad movie. In fact, it was a vast improvement over the first two. Especially you, ROTF, you know what you did. It wasn't a great movie, let's be honest here, it's a Michael Bay flick; dumb but lovable. But the worst any-of-those-things? I think not. Honestly the other nominees are way worse than any of the nominees for DOTM.

I would argue the first two, especially the second. The critical establishment has lost touch with truly bad films. Spectacle driven entertainment has always been a part of our culture and just because it's taken a new form doesn't make it any different. The reason Bays films get these awards over truly terrible ones is twofold:

1: It's Michael Bay, who couldn't please critics if he crapped gold eggs.
2: It's easier to take a film critics didn't like that was wildly successful and dump on it further than take something godawful that slipped under the radar and trash that instead.

The Razzies are much like their Oscar counterparts, a circlejerk of supposed professionals yes manning each other. I was 100% honest when I compared modern critics to less than savory image boards. When you attack your readers for disagreeing with you then you lose your right to being called a professional.

*sigh*
Why couldn't they have announced these a month ago, then they might have got a better director to do the next series of movies. Bay can do explosion porn brilliantly, but I'd like a version where I don't need seasickness tablets to make it all the way though.

DOTM was mindless fun, but it certainly wasn't good and deserves every Razzie it gets - especially 'worst onscreen couple'.

I'm laughing so hard at McDreamy getting a nomination though, I didn't think he was any worse in this than his normal performances in the awful Greys Anatomy, but my better half wont be impressed - she loves him

I can see how most of these are deserving, but Patrick Dempsey as worst actor is just trolling. Gould was one of the best written and performed human characters in the trilogy and one of the reasons DotM was a better story than RotF. The nomination for Ken is IMO totally justified, since his scenes damn near ruined the film. Dempsey did nothing as bad as Jeon did though. It's like they just wanted to nominate the film for as many categories as possible. On a side note, is it possible for the Academy Awards to nominate two supporting roles for the same film?

The CGI effects where good I'll give DOTM that despite my dislike for the overall look of the robots.

The movie is well deserving for all the rest of the razzie nominations. They forgot to add Shia as worst actor. All that screaming of his lines Dumb. His schtick is getting old.

While I really wanted to like Transformers, the movies only got better looking while the story line and the designs went down hill in my opinion.

The first movie was a nice kick off and an interesting take. There were inconsistencies in the first movie. The second movie was even more stunning and I actually could appreciate some of the designs in the robots, however it stopped being a movie about giant interstellar robots and more of a boy's struggle to become a man. The story was weak, and the entire thing was a flop to me.

The final movie (DOTM) was just a visually stunning movie. Seriously some of the best I have seen and in my opinion close to things like Avatar. However by this time I have come to despise Bumblebee, loath Sam, and was oddly confused on how wooden and lifeless the barbie doll they chose to have in the movie was. By this time the movie was completely and utterly trash as far as a story line and character design went.

You have a Shockwave with a giant mechanical Dune Worm destroying pretty much everything, but he leaves it to get taken out by a human sniper. Soundwave goes out like a punk with a single shot from Bumblebee? Iron Hide gets written out like a 3rd grader came up with his ending, but yet Sam turns into Superman, being able to withstand being tossed around by Starscream and slammed into walls without chipping a nail.

The Autobots in the third movie consider it ok that the Decepticons pretty much eliminate major populated cities, but when it comes down to it the Decepticons are the ones taking prisoners and the Autobots are the ones that terminate without prejudice? The biggest shock to me was when Megatron just sits there and lets a human girl just talk down to him as if he was an emo thirteen year old going through his first rejection. This was not the proud and determined leader of the Decepticons. Bay had turned him into a character from Twilight complete with sparkly little things coming out of his wounds.

There was so many things wrong by the end of the third movie that I just stopped caring and thought, well at least it looks good in 3D and I may get the movie just to complete the set, but it was huge disappointment as far as I was concerned.

Point being, the movies suck as movies. But they're great music videos. Of course I hate music videos, so that doesn't really help.

I don't consider Michael Bay's camera work to be good either, I'm not sure why anyone would. People who have worked with him or have just been around him hate him personally, he leaks douchebaggery from his pores. Many people blamed the writers that ROTF was horrid, Bay pretty much did, but then TFPrime happened, and even if it's story is sub par it still blows the movies out of the park. I think people also use the fact that Spielberg loves the guy as an excuse for thinking Bay is an amazing director, but FYI Kingdom of the Crystal Skull happened, Spielberg is senile and overrated. I don't give Bay props for being a pyromaniac either, I an get my explosion fix elsewhere, like every year on July 4th.

The redeeming factor of Bays films are the special effects, but then he's not even responsible for that, it's a bunch wizards sitting at their computers for months on end. Also I often like the musical scores to his films (dis-including Linkin Park and whatnot) particularly some of the orchestra from The Rock, but hey that's largely because Hideo's sound team kinda ripped it off for Metal Gear Solid.

People go to see his movies for the big exsplodey stuff, his movies are successful for the same reason people like watching buildings get demolished on TV, it doesn't make him a good director by any stretch of the imagination.

Finally the main reason I'm pissed about another movie being made is because the toys will be shelf warming again. Couldn't care less about the drooling masses who go to see it.

i'm confused....

this whole thread starts with people arguing with each other, even including quotes from previous posts but there's nothing before any of it. were things deleted before i got to the site or something? very weird. lol

as for the razzies, there have been MANY movies out the past year a million times worse than everything they nominated and they get no mention. they obviously just target the bigger obvious names to get attention, regardless of how much or little they deserve it.

Psychout wrote:*sigh*
Why couldn't they have announced these a month ago, then they might have got a better director to do the next series of movies.

Seeing as all the movies have been nominated for Razzies, I think we can safely say the producers really just don't care about an award show telling them they suck.

Rushie wrote:I can see how most of these are deserving, but Patrick Dempsey as worst actor is just trolling. Gould was one of the best written and performed human characters in the trilogy and one of the reasons DotM was a better story than RotF. The nomination for Ken is IMO totally justified, since his scenes damn near ruined the film. Dempsey did nothing as bad as Jeon did though. It's like they just wanted to nominate the film for as many categories as possible. On a side note, is it possible for the Academy Awards to nominate two supporting roles for the same film?

Actually, I have to agree with you there. Ken Jeong was fun at first, in his early roles, but over time he sort of devolved into what we saw in DOTM. Dempsey was great, though.

Bouncy X wrote:i'm confused....

this whole thread starts with people arguing with each other, even including quotes from previous posts but there's nothing before any of it. were things deleted before i got to the site or something? very weird. lol

I guess you can't see all the posts before it was made into a news post. Which is weird. Are you viewing it from the forums? Because I can see the thread in its entirety.

Ha ha ha! Here we go with this bullsh!t again. Yeah, that's why DOTM is number 4 in the highest grossing movies of all time, that's why it's # 2 on the list for 2011 movies, that's why it made over a billion dollars, that's why Bay is here to stay, and that's why there's going to be a TF 4. You don't get that far with the "worst movie", you just don't.

Bouncy X wrote:
as for the razzies, there have been MANY movies out the past year a million times worse than everything they nominated and they get no mention. they obviously just target the bigger obvious names to get attention, regardless of how much or little they deserve it.

This

SlyTF1 wrote:Ha ha ha! Here we go with this bullsh!t again. Yeah, that's why DOTM is number 4 in the highest grossing movies of all time, that's why it's # 2 on the list for 2011 movies, that's why it made over a billion dollars, that's why Bay is here to stay, and that's why there's going to be a TF 4. You don't get that far with the "worst movie", you just don't.

The problem with that is that money doesn't equal quality. Avatar is in the same boat; sure it was ground-breakingly pretty, but it came with a blatant environmentalist theme and the plot was another rehash of Dances With Wolves. And it is the highest grossing movie of all time.

That, and at least three of the Twilight movies are top 50 highest grossing movies of all time, and the Phantom Menace is currently ranked at number 11. So...yeah, money =/= quality.

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Ha ha ha! Here we go with this bullsh!t again. Yeah, that's why DOTM is number 4 in the highest grossing movies of all time, that's why it's # 2 on the list for 2011 movies, that's why it made over a billion dollars, that's why Bay is here to stay, and that's why there's going to be a TF 4. You don't get that far with the "worst movie", you just don't.

The problem with that is that money doesn't equal quality. Avatar is in the same boat; sure it was ground-breakingly pretty, but it came with a blatant environmentalist theme and the plot was another rehash of Dances With Wolves. And it is the highest grossing movie of all time.

That, and at least three of the Twilight movies are top 50 highest grossing movies of all time, and the Phantom Menace is currently ranked at number 11. So...yeah, money =/= quality.

The point I'm trying to make: If these people who nominated DOTM for all this crap where trying the hurt the movie, they're too late. And Bay should be proud of himself for making it this far.

On the topic of avatar, there's only one good thing named Avatar and it's not either of the movies, so frick em.

As for DoTM...does anyone think Bay cares? I liked this movie personally as well as the first (though I feel like the human parts were more stomachable, especially Gould) What bugs me is that the Decepticons had to be convinced to execute Autobots for some damn reason, but whatever. Point is, Bay doesn't care and he shouldn't care, and if he even bothered with an acceptance speech it should just be three words: "Deal with it."

So, it didn't win any Oscars, so that just means that the Oscar doesn't mean anything anymore.
But, it could win some of these awards, but people don't like those awards, so then Razzies don;t mean anything.
AND, the opinions and criticisms of people who don't like the movies don't matter, because they didn't like the movies, but the opinions of people who don't acknowledge the Razzie as a legit award because they don't like the Razzies or the choice of films that win Razzies, those people are perfectly correct for dismissing a legit award?

"What you don't like doesn't matter because it doesn't satisfy my need for an explaination but I don't have to like anything I don't like and that's perfectly acceptable!" Lol seibertron.com, Lol.

They forgot the category for Ultimate betrayal of a character by making him complicit in the deaths of thousands of human beings just to make the point that the Decepticons are BAD!

And the winner is - Optimus Prime!

I was willing to forgive the abomination that was Dark of the Moon up to the point that Prime was depicted as a being willing to sacrifice sentient beings to make a point.

So much for the quote, “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.”

spiderbob007 wrote:They forgot the category for Ultimate betrayal of a character by making him complicit in the deaths of thousands of human beings just to make the point that the Decepticons are BAD!

And the winner is - Optimus Prime!

I was willing to forgive the abomination that was Dark of the Moon up to the point that Prime was depicted as a being willing to sacrifice sentient beings to make a point.

So much for the quote, “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.”

I don't understand, what exactly did he do? I don't remember anything in the movie like that.

Wait, are you referring to the Autobots being forced to leave Earth around the time of the beginning of the Decepticon invasion? Because that was a situation where there was no right answer. It was either go along with it, but fake it, then rally and fight back against the Decepticons, or refuse to leave, and be forced to fight against the humans.

spiderbob007 wrote:They forgot the category for Ultimate betrayal of a character by making him complicit in the deaths of thousands of human beings just to make the point that the Decepticons are BAD!

And the winner is - Optimus Prime!

I was willing to forgive the abomination that was Dark of the Moon up to the point that Prime was depicted as a being willing to sacrifice sentient beings to make a point.

So much for the quote, “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.”

I didn't even know that was a category. Who else was nominated?

DOTM is one of a handful of movies that I couldn't even finish. I made it to the part where the Autobots and humans are going to take back the city, and turned the movie off out of boredom. (No, I didn't go see it in the theater. ROTF showed me that Bay's movies aren't worth seeing in the theater.)

The thing that disappoints me the most about Bay directing a 4th TF movie is that we're going to get another batch of toys that I have no interest in buying. Thank goodness for Classics and Fall of Cyberton.

spiderbob007 wrote:They forgot the category for Ultimate betrayal of a character by making him complicit in the deaths of thousands of human beings just to make the point that the Decepticons are BAD!

And the winner is - Optimus Prime!

I was willing to forgive the abomination that was Dark of the Moon up to the point that Prime was depicted as a being willing to sacrifice sentient beings to make a point.

So much for the quote, “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.”

Optimus was a badass in DOTM. I hope he stays a psychopath for TF4. We need more murderous heroes!!!

spiderbob007 wrote:They forgot the category for Ultimate betrayal of a character by making him complicit in the deaths of thousands of human beings just to make the point that the Decepticons are BAD!

And the winner is - Optimus Prime!

I was willing to forgive the abomination that was Dark of the Moon up to the point that Prime was depicted as a being willing to sacrifice sentient beings to make a point.

So much for the quote, “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.”

Freedom is the right of all sentient beings... intill they decide they want to banish the only ones that have the ability to really protect them. So in reality, the humans are the ones that gave up that so called "right".

"Optimus was a badass in DOTM. I hope he stays a psychopath for TF4. We need more murderous heroes!!!"


THIS

5150 Cruiser wrote:

spiderbob007 wrote:They forgot the category for Ultimate betrayal of a character by making him complicit in the deaths of thousands of human beings just to make the point that the Decepticons are BAD!

And the winner is - Optimus Prime!

I was willing to forgive the abomination that was Dark of the Moon up to the point that Prime was depicted as a being willing to sacrifice sentient beings to make a point.

So much for the quote, “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.”

Freedom is the right of all sentient beings... intill they decide they want to banish the only ones that have the ability to really protect them. So in reality, the humans are the ones that gave up that so called "right".

Exactly. Optimus didn't say "Well, the Decepticons are invading, it's been fun, but we really have to split." Instead, the humans said "We've struggled fighting against a few Decepticons in the past and ultimately only achieve major victories with your help, but we're pretty sure we can handle this full-scale invasion by ourselves. Now get the hell off our planet, because we're going to blame you for this."

Dagon wrote:So, it didn't win any Oscars, so that just means that the Oscar doesn't mean anything anymore.
But, it could win some of these awards, but people don't like those awards, so then Razzies don;t mean anything.
AND, the opinions and criticisms of people who don't like the movies don't matter, because they didn't like the movies, but the opinions of people who don't acknowledge the Razzie as a legit award because they don't like the Razzies or the choice of films that win Razzies, those people are perfectly correct for dismissing a legit award?

"What you don't like doesn't matter because it doesn't satisfy my need for an explaination but I don't have to like anything I don't like and that's perfectly acceptable!" Lol seibertron.com, Lol.

While I can understand where you are coming from I don't think I could call the Razzies a legitimate award show since it just seems more like trolling on a grand scale. Some nominations are written in to look like jokes, like putting Nick Cage and who ever he is on screen with in his 3 2011 movies as a worst couple nomination. And like Bouncy X said they are lots of movies that came out that were way worse than any of the ones listed. I have to agree they just go after the bad movies that did well.

Well to be fair movies that are irredeemably horrid don't really need anyone to say "this movie sucks", everyone knows that. Transformers is a film that's overrated and in my opinion it deserves to get jabbed as much as possible. I REALLY hope the next movie does not do as well as the last, but then I almost would like to see a Transformers five after that, maybe even a six, because maybe the only way to get people to hate these films is to hammer it into their skulls repeatedly.

Fenrir Prime wrote:

Dagon wrote:So, it didn't win any Oscars, so that just means that the Oscar doesn't mean anything anymore.
But, it could win some of these awards, but people don't like those awards, so then Razzies don;t mean anything.
AND, the opinions and criticisms of people who don't like the movies don't matter, because they didn't like the movies, but the opinions of people who don't acknowledge the Razzie as a legit award because they don't like the Razzies or the choice of films that win Razzies, those people are perfectly correct for dismissing a legit award?

"What you don't like doesn't matter because it doesn't satisfy my need for an explaination but I don't have to like anything I don't like and that's perfectly acceptable!" Lol seibertron.com, Lol.

While I can understand where you are coming from I don't think I could call the Razzies a legitimate award show since it just seems more like trolling on a grand scale. Some nominations are written in to look like jokes, like putting Nick Cage and who ever he is on screen with in his 3 2011 movies as a worst couple nomination. And like Bouncy X said they are lots of movies that came out that were way worse than any of the ones listed. I have to agree they just go after the bad movies that did well.

Ok, but I don't like baseball, but I recognize the Baseball Hall of Fame as a legit honor. Just because something I like doesn't win a prestigeous award does not devalue the award, and vice versa. "Oh, HUGO won the Oscar because of Scorsesi, that's the only reason.....Oscars don;t mean anything anyway..." A person not finding value in the award doesn't devalue the award.
Know how people have said for five years that Hasbro/Bay/All'a them don't care if fans don't like the movies because the movies aren't made for the fans?I suppose the Oscars/Razzies/Baseball HoF are organized on the same principle. Winning an Oscar means something to movie industry people. They don't NOT vote on HoF inductees because I don't care about baseball.
Just like Michael Bay doesn't care that someone didn't like his movie, I'm sure the Academy doesn't care that this website is amazed DOTM didn't win an Oscar. I just find it super cute that we can't not like the movies without being given a stern talking to, but it's fine to just write off an element that didn't like the movies becuase lol they don't know anything they're just old people who pander to the industry lol.

Dagon wrote:

Fenrir Prime wrote:

Dagon wrote:So, it didn't win any Oscars, so that just means that the Oscar doesn't mean anything anymore.
But, it could win some of these awards, but people don't like those awards, so then Razzies don;t mean anything.
AND, the opinions and criticisms of people who don't like the movies don't matter, because they didn't like the movies, but the opinions of people who don't acknowledge the Razzie as a legit award because they don't like the Razzies or the choice of films that win Razzies, those people are perfectly correct for dismissing a legit award?

"What you don't like doesn't matter because it doesn't satisfy my need for an explaination but I don't have to like anything I don't like and that's perfectly acceptable!" Lol seibertron.com, Lol.

While I can understand where you are coming from I don't think I could call the Razzies a legitimate award show since it just seems more like trolling on a grand scale. Some nominations are written in to look like jokes, like putting Nick Cage and who ever he is on screen with in his 3 2011 movies as a worst couple nomination. And like Bouncy X said they are lots of movies that came out that were way worse than any of the ones listed. I have to agree they just go after the bad movies that did well.

Ok, but I don't like baseball, but I recognize the Baseball Hall of Fame as a legit honor. Just because something I like doesn't win a prestigeous award does not devalue the award, and vice versa. "Oh, HUGO won the Oscar because of Scorsesi, that's the only reason.....Oscars don;t mean anything anyway..." A person not finding value in the award doesn't devalue the award.
Know how people have said for five years that Hasbro/Bay/All'a them don't care if fans don't like the movies because the movies aren't made for the fans?I suppose the Oscars/Razzies/Baseball HoF are organized on the same principle. Winning an Oscar means something to movie industry people. They don't NOT vote on HoF inductees because I don't care about baseball.
Just like Michael Bay doesn't care that someone didn't like his movie, I'm sure the Academy doesn't care that this website is amazed DOTM didn't win an Oscar. I just find it super cute that we can't not like the movies without being given a stern talking to, but it's fine to just write off an element that didn't like the movies becuase lol they don't know anything they're just old people who pander to the industry lol.

I never said a thing about the oscars. All I said was that I don't consider the Razzies a legitimate award show, it's more of a joke and that's what I think the makers of it intended it to be. I never said DOTM deserved an oscar at any point. I realize it is a "bad" movie to critics but that doesn't bug me. I think it's just a bit much to consider the Razzies legit awards. They are funny and just there as a much needed foil to the Oscar's.

Vicalliose wrote:maybe the only way to get people to hate these films is to hammer it into their skulls repeatedly.

They've been trying that since 07' and you know what? Each movie does better and than the previous.

Haters just can't accept that people really do like these movies. And no amount of "razzies" is going to change that.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Vicalliose wrote:maybe the only way to get people to hate these films is to hammer it into their skulls repeatedly.

They've been trying that since 07' and you know what? Each movie does better and than the previous.

Haters just can't accept that people really do like these movies. And no amount of "razzies" is going to change that.

The general anger about the films can be easily boiled down into a few factors:

1. Transformers fans who didn't like them. This is par the course for fanbases with any kind of movie adaptation.

2. Critics who weren't listened to. Check each film's user score on Rotten Tomatoes.

3. Film buffs who don't like "illegitimate" films being successful, the film equivalent of the "casuals vs. hardcore" debate with video games.

Each of these groups has a bog standard response with their anger:

1. "You're clearly not a TRUE FAN if you liked these films!"

2. "I believe those who consider Transformers a good film to be insufficiently evolved."

3. "No one actually liked those movies, they just think they did since they can't accept having payed to see it!" (actual quote from Reddit)

And we who liked them and the rational minded members of the three groups above, like them or not, just watch the anger and laugh.

Anyway, more to the point the Razzies are at most a troll award taken seriously only when people want to say "SEE! THE MOVIE YOU LIKED DID SUCK!" And I agree the Oscars are just as bad but for different reasons.

Rest easy fanboys, or grab your pitchforks if you're in the Bayhater camp, whatever works for you.

Adam Sandler cleans house.

No awards for Transformers in the Razzies. Move on.

Burn wrote:Rest easy fanboys, or grab your pitchforks if you're in the Bayhater camp, whatever works for you.

Adam Sandler cleans house.

No awards for Transformers in the Razzies. Move on.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Burn wrote:Rest easy fanboys, or grab your pitchforks if you're in the Bayhater camp, whatever works for you.

Adam Sandler cleans house.

No awards for Transformers in the Razzies. Move on.

Remember when he had a career?

Burn wrote:Rest easy fanboys, or grab your pitchforks if you're in the Bayhater camp, whatever works for you.

Adam Sandler cleans house.

No awards for Transformers in the Razzies. Move on.

Jack and JIll is a rip off of Glen or Glenda in the same way Dark of the Moon is a ripoff of Bullit. They have something in common (A man in drag for the former, car chases for the latter) but that's where the similarities end.

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Rest easy fanboys, or grab your pitchforks if you're in the Bayhater camp, whatever works for you.

Adam Sandler cleans house.

No awards for Transformers in the Razzies. Move on.

Jack and JIll is a rip off of Glen or Glenda in the same way Dark of the Moon is a ripoff of Bullit. They have something in common (A man in drag for the former, car chases for the latter) but that's where the similarities end.

Why did you have to bring up Ed Wood? Now I have to watch Plan 9 from Outer Space again. Damn you, Shadowman.

On the bright side it's at least an unintentionally funny film.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Rest easy fanboys, or grab your pitchforks if you're in the Bayhater camp, whatever works for you.

Adam Sandler cleans house.

No awards for Transformers in the Razzies. Move on.

Jack and JIll is a rip off of Glen or Glenda in the same way Dark of the Moon is a ripoff of Bullit. They have something in common (A man in drag for the former, car chases for the latter) but that's where the similarities end.

Why did you have to bring up Ed Wood? Now I have to watch Plan 9 from Outer Space again. Damn you, Shadowman.

On the bright side it's at least an unintentionally funny film.

I didn't bring up Ed Wood, they did.

It's like, I'm sure it's a bad movie deserving each and every one of those "awards," but if they're going to call it a ripoff of something, they should probably do it in a way that makes it look like they actually knew what either movie was about.

Shadowman wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Rest easy fanboys, or grab your pitchforks if you're in the Bayhater camp, whatever works for you.

Adam Sandler cleans house.

No awards for Transformers in the Razzies. Move on.

Jack and JIll is a rip off of Glen or Glenda in the same way Dark of the Moon is a ripoff of Bullit. They have something in common (A man in drag for the former, car chases for the latter) but that's where the similarities end.

Why did you have to bring up Ed Wood? Now I have to watch Plan 9 from Outer Space again. Damn you, Shadowman.

On the bright side it's at least an unintentionally funny film.

I didn't bring up Ed Wood, they did.

It's like, I'm sure it's a bad movie deserving each and every one of those "awards," but if they're going to call it a ripoff of something, they should probably do it in a way that makes it look like they actually knew what either movie was about.

You're trusting modern critics to know anything about film. That's your problem.

Capt.Failure wrote:You're trusting modern critics to know anything about film. That's your problem.

I trust professional critics to know anything about film. I may not always agree with them but they do know what they're talking about.

The guys who run the razzies, though...