Ask Vector Prime has come to an end
Tuesday, February 23rd, 2016 3:32PM CST
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Cascadia wrote:Jim Sorenson who has ran the Ask Vetcor Prime page on Facebook has announced that it has come to an end. He has enjoyed having answer many questions in regards to the Transformers universe. He really loved doing it but he felt that it needed to come to end after 9 months of running it.
It is lot of text of him thanking various people who helped make it possible.
So what is up next for Jim?
Well, expect more from the Axiom Nexus News crew, albeit sporadically. Beast Wars Uprising still has a few tales left. I expect I'll be writing up a special BotCon retrospective in a few months. And look for a couple of non-Transformers books from me from IDW Publishing before the end of the year. But for the next few weeks, I'll take some time to relax with my family, play some table-top RPGs, catch up on some superhero tv, and enjoy a slight break from Transformers. But only a slight one, for I do love the richness of the mythology, the intricacy of the tapestry, the depth of the lore. I believe Ask Vector Prime added something new to said mythology, and hope you do to.
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Not that one. The Facebook one that's been going on since last May.o.supreme wrote:I thought ended when TF:Cybertron did ...like 10 years ago.
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It’s Over... FINISHED!
It's Over... FINISHED!
At long last, the end of Ask Vector Prime is here. For about nine months of my life, I helped him answer questions about the magical and the mundane, the minutia and the magnificent. It was a project different from any I've done before. Sure, I've made more than my share of Transformers (and non-Transformers) books, comics, stories, and articles. But this, this was an unfiltered Q&A, a project that depended entirely on the interaction with the audience with a delay of not more than a few weeks, months at most. I got to see what really mattered, what fans were really interested in, and then observe the response to my nattering as it unfolded. [WARNING: Long ramble ahead]
I loved it.
Really, truly, I absolutely loved it. His voice is one that I've been dabbling in since the first AllSpark Almanac, when he penned the summary for a comic which was itself a retelling of the first three episodes of Animated and needed a way to "see" all the disparate POVs in the book. I love his wisdom, his warmth, his cluelessness, his majesty, his timelessness, his wit, even his willingness to occasionally shill some product for sale in the real world, and did my best to bring all of that to the table. Along the way, I decided that he, or some version of him, needed a happy ending, and so set up his incognito mission to Nebulos with Scorpia, his once and future romantic interest, and Safeguard, his longtime companion.
But it wasn't just Vector Prime, aka Vec-Tor, aka Vector Convoy, aka Vector Prima-Vectorum, that I loved. I loved the audience. Yes, even the once who asked annoying questions, and there were a few. In some ways I'm shocked by how much people cared. At our apex, we had a thousand subscribers, just north of ten thousand engaged users, and page impressions numbering in the 400,000 range. We inspired a discussion some five thousand comments long over on AllSpark.com, viewed well over 150,000 times. Ultimately, this was a fun little project with little side-stories told in very obscure corners of the Transformers multiverse. We tried to focus on continuities that had been all but forgotten, characters who had never received much if any fiction, and continuity disconnects that only those waving their geek flag the fullest and the proudest could be interested in. And yet, you came, and for that I will be forever grateful.
I also loved dabbling in different voices. Sideways was the first, and he was a hoot to be sure. Then, when Vector Prime went away to help Nexus end Singularities once and for all, I got to play around with Grimlock, Swindle, Animated Sentinel Prime, Movie Bumblebee, Cy-Kill, Sky-Byte, and a non-released toy with absolutely no fiction or history not penned by me, Spacewarp. They were all fun, in their own way, though I think the amazing work Kellen Goff did bringing Bumblebee to life as a series of audio files is underappreciated. If you haven't checked them out yet, go to Vector Prime's videos and listen to a few. Really, he caught lightning in a bottle. But what surprised me even more was that, when I conducted a poll as to which host the audience liked best, it was almost evenly split (with over 2000 votes total) between Cy-Kill and Spacewarp. And thus, both came back. Transformers: Spacewarp's Log, led to a new series of 30's style pulp encounters for Spacewarp, and Transformers: Renegade Rhetoric, allowed Cy-Kill to recount some 48 new 80's style stock cartoon plot misadventures.
Another aspect that made this project especially fulfilling was the many, MANY talented people I had the opportunity to work with and, in some cases, meet for the first time. There aren't enough words in the English language to properly thank Jesse Wittenrich and Pete Sinclair for giving me the chance to run this, start to finish. Jesse in particular provided invaluable editorial feedback and, in his own words, "kept me from going full Sorenson." He curbed my worst impulses and encouraged my best ones, and I could not have maintained the level of energy and quality and enthusiasm evidenced without his calm and steady feedback. He also provided some fantastic art, including the Vector Prime happy ending with Scorpia and Safeguard, and the profile picture for Spacewarp. (Not to mention profile pictures for Blackarachnia, Rook, Starscream, and some other Transtechies you'll be seeing in the not-too-distant future.)
Then there are my fellow writers. Hirofumi Ichikawa in particular wrote some amazing entries, tying up some of the Binaltech / Alternity loose ends and expanding some other areas of JG1 that I otherwise wouldn't have had the confidence or knowledge to tackle. He either wrote or at least edited (nearly) every entry that touched on the tangled mess that is the OG World and all that flows from it. His Air Attack Optimus Primal entry was a masterpiece, to be sure, but I personally cherished learning the Alternity designations for several new continuities. Then there's my long-time friend Chris McFeely, who provided feedback on a number of entries (and also, like Jesse, filed off some of my rougher edges) and wrote some terrific stories for Renegade Rhetoric. I feel fortunate that this forum has allowed me to get to know Alexis Carlo better, and afforded her the opportunity to write several entries, one of which (concerning transgendered Transformers) became our single most shared post. Likewise, I got to meet Louis Sun, who provided much Universe War expertise and became our unofficial copy editor. He has easily eliminated a few hundred typos and parsing flubs, giving the project a polish that was difficult for us to otherwise maintain given the frenetic pace. Christopher Colgin became our unofficial artist towards the end, drawing up some nifty Hanna Barbara style designs, and I'm glad to have his boundless enthusiasm in my life.
I could go on. Matt Karpowich, AKA Monzo, helped sanity check some of our early work. Vivian AKA Gearshift wrote up an entry or two and inspired one of the best episodes of Renegade Rhetoric. Andrew Hall, another long-time friend, shared some of his thoughts on Scrash, a character which he basically discovered and is uniquely qualified to write for. Professional creatives Dan Khanna, Matt Kuphaldt, Trent Troop, Glen Hallit, Simon Furman, and James Roberts all lent me their expertise on at least one answer. Bill Forster recolored Dominus Trannis from Rail Racer. Liam Shalloo made some awesome human versions of the GoBot main cast. Betsy Blackie and Brandy Dixon shared their beloved Rainmaker bios and art with the world. Matthew Reinhart shared some characters from his fantastic Transformers Pop-Up Book and some thoughts on what the design inspirations were.
And then there are the actors! Peter Spellos, Richard Newman, and David Sobolov all generously shared their time and talent, reprising the classic characters they helped create for various Transformers shows. Daniel Ross, Abby Collins, Jon Bailey, Shane Morrison, Marissa Meizel, and Laura Knapton each helped bring our videos to life. Jon was particularly a treat to work with, as I've been bumping into him at conventions for years, so allowing him to voice an official Optimus Prime felt very right. And I'll never be able to write for Rook without hearing Daniel's snide delivery in my head. Oh, so perfect.
Sorry, I know, long wall of text thanking a bunch of people. TL;DR version, I couldn't have done it alone, nor would I have wanted to. But with the help of all these people, not the least of which were the hundreds (thousands?) of people asking questions and the tens of thousands of people reading the answers, there wouldn't have been an Ask Vector Prime.
Thanks to all of you for engaging with me in this unique forum. I know I stumbled occasionally, and that a small but vocal number of people didn't enjoy it; I respect their position even if it's not one I share. But, stumbles aside, I am incredibly proud of the work, both the caliber we managed to produce and the sheer length of it. Just for fun I cut and pasted the entire thing into a Word document. It clocked in at well over 500 pages. Holy crap! I mean, that's a good-sized novel worth of free Transformers content, delivered daily. Among all that, we managed to significantly expand on gender diversity with the Transformers franchise, including creating the first female Optimus Prime. We explored Vector Prime's ancient history. We created a whopping 65 new schemes for Cy-Kill to spring on the Guardians--alas, each one ultimately ending in failure. With lots of help, we filled out the ranks of the Multiversal 13 just in advance of blowing them up. Jesse and I finished off the ranks of the Convoy. With Bill Forster's help we provided a little fiction for all of those weird but cool Human Alliance characters. I got to indulge in my yen for Mini-Cons, sorting many many more of them into teams. With a little guidance from Simon Furman, we were able to detail the future of forgotten splinter timelines like Rhythms of Darkness and Twilight's Last Gleaming. And let's not forget all of the masterful, painful, groan-inducing puns that we dropped along the way to dodge the questions we didn't want to (or weren't allowed to) answer.
What's next from me? Well, expect more from the Axiom Nexus News crew, albeit sporadically. Beast Wars Uprising still has a few tales left. I expect I'll be writing up a special BotCon retrospective in a few months. And look for a couple of non-Transformers books from me from IDW Publishing before the end of the year. But for the next few weeks, I'll take some time to relax with my family, play some table-top RPGs, catch up on some superhero tv, and enjoy a slight break from Transformers. But only a slight one, for I do love the richness of the mythology, the intricacy of the tapestry, the depth of the lore. I believe Ask Vector Prime added something new to said mythology, and hope you do to.
Posted by GrimlockPrimal on February 24th, 2016 @ 8:12am CST
AVP will be sadly missed in this fan's eyes, even if it did cause some debate.
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on February 24th, 2016 @ 1:24pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on March 1st, 2016 @ 9:10am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on March 1st, 2016 @ 3:30pm CST
I think I might know what those rumblings might be referring to.ScottyP wrote:I respect the effort. Hopefully the rumblings about some of the material being literal trolling attempts are just that.
Among the vast amount of questions asked of Vector Prime, there were some particular questions asked that Vector Prime diverted from giving the desired answers to since these particular questions were iffy ones that either couldn't be answered (meaning Jim wasn't allowed to touch the subjects that the questions dealt with, or the questions were simply unanswerable for whatever reasons) or they were simply bad/dumb questions written by folks who were deliberately messing around with Ask Vector Prime.
The majority of the answered questions got answers that were either good, funny, or both. But for those specific ones described in the paragraph above, Jim did what he could to playfully skirt around answering them directly since he either couldn't or (in the cases of iffy questions) wouldn't. BUT, this kind of answer-skirting has precedence since the same was done for those kinds of questions that were asked on the original Ask Vector Prime feature that was put on Hasbro.com back in 2005. A few examples of this from the original:
Q: Was Primus Cool?
A: Cool? As in cold to the touch?! Heaven's no! Primus is warm and full of life! Ha!
Q: Can you boogie down?
A: When I was a younger Transformer, I was able to participate in many more activities. We once had a mini-con that transformed into a disco ball, but that was a long time ago.
Q: How much do you weigh?
A: That depends on which planet I am living.
Q: Do you know Alpha Q?
A: Yes
During the months when Vector Prime was replaced by someone else, either Sideways (who had kidnapped Vector and took over the page by force) or one of the guest columnists (Grimlock, Swindle, Animated Sentinel Minor, Movie Bumblebee, Cy-Kill, Sky-Byte, or Spacewarp), several of the questions asked were mostly given funny (or in Sideways's case, rude) answers to both lighten up the mood and get through a lot of the iffy questions.
But, one of the most controversial things about AVP's run was when Cy-Kill took over and then got his own Facebook page later, during which times people started to deliberately ask questions specific to things from the Challenge of the GoBots cartoon in an attempt to get that information onto the TFWiki since the Wiki had for years been adamant about not covering the GoBots franchise any more than necessary since GoBots isn't a Transformers property, but some people still really want the Wiki to cover GoBots. Since then, the Wiki has been trying to scale back as much newly-added GoBots information as it could to keep from letting it further clutter things up.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 1st, 2016 @ 5:05pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:But, one of the most controversial things about AVP's run was when Cy-Kill took over and then got his own Facebook page later, during which times people started to deliberately ask questions specific to things from the Challenge of the GoBots cartoon in an attempt to get that information onto the TFWiki since the Wiki had for years been adamant about not covering the GoBots franchise any more than necessary since GoBots isn't a Transformers property, but some people still really want the Wiki to cover GoBots. Since then, the Wiki has been trying to scale back as much newly-added GoBots information as it could to keep from letting it further clutter things up.
It doesn't help that Gobots is acknowledged as a legit universe for Transformers (Gargent cluster I believe), but fans often don't realize Hasbro does not own Gobots outright. The characters and trademarks are Hasbro's, the toys belong to Bandai (except for the Tonka originals, but not the outsourced ones) and the cartoon belongs to Hanna-Barbera. Plus, separate franchises, separate wikis.
There is a Gobots wikia, but it's an incomplete mess that's best left forgotten.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 1st, 2016 @ 5:28pm CST
To be fair, that idea was done by Jim as well, in the AVP text hidden in the AllSpark Almanac II book (which was apparently concocted entirely by the book's writers with no actual Q&A from the fans).JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It doesn't help that Gobots is acknowledged as a legit universe for Transformers (Gargent cluster I believe),
Right. Jim's a big GoBots fan and did what he did for fun. But a lot of fans took his work way too seriously and have tried to use what was supposed to be harmless fun as a means to force more GoBots coverage onto the Wiki.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:but fans often don't realize Hasbro does not own Gobots outright. The characters and trademarks are Hasbro's, the toys belong to Bandai (except for the Tonka originals, but not the outsourced ones) and the cartoon belongs to Hanna-Barbera. Plus, separate franchises, separate wikis.
Yeah, and everyone likes the idea of there being a separate GoBots Wiki but, sadly, no one wants to actually go through the effort of making it a reality.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:There is a Gobots wikia, but it's an incomplete mess that's best left forgotten.
Posted by ScottyP on March 2nd, 2016 @ 10:23am CST
Yeah, see, this here is no big deal at all. Thanks for clearing it up. Rumors, you know?Sabrblade wrote:Jim's a big GoBots fan and did what he did for fun. But a lot of fans took his work way too seriously and have tried to use what was supposed to be harmless fun as a means to force more GoBots coverage onto the Wiki.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 2nd, 2016 @ 10:33am CST
Sure thing.ScottyP wrote:Yeah, see, this here is no big deal at all. Thanks for clearing it up. Rumors, you know?Sabrblade wrote:Jim's a big GoBots fan and did what he did for fun. But a lot of fans took his work way too seriously and have tried to use what was supposed to be harmless fun as a means to force more GoBots coverage onto the Wiki.
Other than that, the only other things I can think of that some people disliked were the rare convoluted answers given about things like "Character X is really also Character Y from Universe A having been sent to Universe C, getting a new body and/or new name in a stopover at Universe B along the way" or something nuts like that.
Thankfully, those kinds of answers were far and few overall.
Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on October 30th, 2024 @ 10:26am CDT
I just went back and read through the full archives for Ask Vector Prime. I'd seen it cited many times on TFWiki, but had never actually read the posts.
Below I've noted some things that I found especially interesting or insightful:
Lore regarding Vector Prime
His background
Vector Prime, who was one of the thirteen, at some point locked away his memory of his true identity. He became the leader of Cybertron and ruled for many years, wielding the Matrix. At that time, Cybertron was not divided into Autobots/Decepticons. His followers fought Devron, Megazarak, and the Destructons. He fell in love with his bodyguard, Scorpia. After some time, the Chronarchitect called on him to face a threat to the multiverse. He passed on the Matrix to his right hand, Guardian Major (who presumably became Guardian Prime), and left with a small team of his followers, including Scorpia. He uncovered a multiverse threat known as Mogahn the Mass, a large living mass that threatened to consume and assimilate all mass in the multiverse. During the battle, his memories of being one of the thirteen were re-awakened, and he stole Mogahn's sword, reformatting it into Rhisling. After the battle, with his memories returned, he realized his higher purpose, said goodbye to Scorpia, and assume his duties as Guardian of Space and Time.
Interesting trivia
Vector Prime's cyber planet key does not correspond to a planet, as many others do. It is an artifact called Zeonomicon crafted for Logos Prime, which Vector Prime confiscated after the fall of Logos. It manifests in the Unicron Trilogy universe as a Cyber Planet Key.
Vector Prime was one of the Primes seen in Revenge of the Fallen. He says he was "the handsome one"
His Earth birthday is September 19.
In other Universes, Vector Prime is referred to as Vec-Tor, Vector Convoy, Vector Maximus, Vector Maximo, Vector Prima-Vectorum, and (in our world) Hermes.
The Thirteen as Greek Gods
Vector Prime implies that, in our world, the Thirteen were the Greek Gods. Because humans at the time would not have understood their true forms, the Primes stayed atop a mountain and used Holomatter Avatars to interact with the people.
The Primes and their corresponding assumed roles:
- Vector Prime: Hermes
Megatronus: Ares
Solus: Haephestus (Also built Poseidon's trident and the Aegis of Athena)
Alpha Trion: Athena
Prima: Zeus
Nexus Maximus: Hera
Onyx: Artemis
Alchemist: Dionysus
Liege Maximo: Aphrodite
Autonomus: Apollo
Adaptus: Poseidon (Responsible for the technology of Atlantis)
Mortilus: Hades
Epistimus: Demeter
Hercules was G.I. Joe Sgt. Slaughter on a time travel adventure.
Further lore to existing continuities
After RID, Sky-Byte became the defender of Earth's oceans
The reason Minicons in Armada share names with larger Transformers (IE Thunderblast) is because they use intimidating names to scare off would-be captors.
Armada had its own Beast Wars, in which Beast Megatron sought not to destroy the ark (which didn't crash on Earth in Armada), but to claim all of the Minicons Earth. Several were awakened during this time, which is why there are dinosaur and beast Minicons. The Vok were not involved, instead it was Tarantulas experimenting with Super Energon that caused the creation of transmetals and fuzors.
In Armada, the officer who almost court-marshaled Hot Shot was Sentinel Major. The name of his subordinate who resembles Wheelie is Endo.
Planet X from the Cybertron Universe comes from a G2-adjacent Universe and its residents are descendants of Liege Maximo's forces.
In the Galaxy Force cartoon, which is an adjacent universe to the Cybertron cartoon. Planet X was created from the carcass of Unicron (specifically the Unicron from Marvel's TFTM comic adaptation).
Alternate Realities
There is an alternate Universe in which Optimus Prime fought Darth Vader.
In an alternate timeline where Starscream managed to hold on to Waspinator’s body, Waspscream and Megatron defeated the Maxmials before turning on each other. Waspscream defeated and captured Megatron and his loyalists, returning to Cybertron. Megatron managed to conquer Cybertron, just as in Beast Machines, with Inferno, Tanker (reformatted from Scorponok), and Jetstorm (reformatted from SIlverbolt. Eventually, Obsidian would overthrow Megatron before he, Tanker, and Inferno were recruited to Unicron’s service and sent to another Universe, leaving Waspscream, Rodimus Primal, Magnetron, and Icebird ruling Cybertron.
General Transformers logistics and lore
When in vehicle alt-modes, Transformers vision is wired through their windshield or headlights, depending on the specific vehicle.
There are limits to what alt-modes you can assume. Once, in a contest, Malignus tried to assume the form of entropy. He was successful, but unable to return to a recognizable form.
Transformers have excellent translation software, which is why they are able to communicate with humans and other alien species. Similarly, Transformers’ algorithms use “best-fit methodologies” to adapt words and concepts, which is why characters like Jazz have the names that they do. It is also the reason that characters have different names in different languages.
Animation errors that depict the wrong character are actually a temporal anomaly in-story that the characters don’t notice because they’re involved.
Vector Prime implies that dreams are glimpses of other realities in Transformers lore, with Spotlight: Mirage being cited as proof.
Posted by Sabrblade on October 30th, 2024 @ 11:14am CDT
This is all in reference to the four-part Japanese prose story "Beast Wars Reborn".#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Vector Prime's cyber planet key does not correspond to a planet, as many others do. It is an artifact called Zeonomicon crafted for Logos Prime, which Vector Prime confiscated after the fall of Logos. It manifests in the Unicron Trilogy universe as a Cyber Planet Key.
*sigh* These are some of the cases where AVP was just goofing around with continuity for fun and doesn't actually reflect the true intent of the original series creators.#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Planet X from the Cybertron Universe comes from a G2-adjacent Universe and its residents are descendants of Liege Maximo's forces.
In the Galaxy Force cartoon, which is an adjacent universe to the Cybertron cartoon. Planet X was created from the carcass of Unicron (specifically the Unicron from Marvel's TFTM comic adaptation).
The Galaxy Force DVDs included booklets with notes and commentary for the series that didn't make it into the show, and the notes included about Planet X do say that it was indeed once the remains of Unicron's body, but implied that it was the Unicron native to the Unicron Trilogy rather any Marvel Comics version as AVP claims.
The reason for this discrepancy is due to the Galaxy Force DVD booklet info not being widely known about or accessible at the time the AVP answer was given. And sadly, there are many other AVP answers about Japanese fiction that ended up contradicting other information already given in Japan but which Jim and any other contributors didn't know about at the time (or, later Japanese fiction would go on to contradict AVP after the fact, unaware of what had been written for AVP since AVP wasn't available in Japanese). Luckily, Vector did provide an out for any erroneous answers given being that he may not be a completely reliable narrator, due to having lived so long that his memory is getting old.
Yeah. This one:#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:There is an alternate Universe in which Optimus Prime fought Darth Vader.
This is both a combination and an expansion of information originally given in the Transformers: Universe (2003) profile for Obsidian and the IDW Beast Wars Sourcebook profile for Waspinator. AVP combined the worlds of these two separate profiles together into one world, and fleshed it out more to create a much bigger and more interesting story.#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:In an alternate timeline where Starscream managed to hold on to Waspinator’s body, Waspscream and Megatron defeated the Maxmials before turning on each other. Waspscream defeated and captured Megatron and his loyalists, returning to Cybertron. Megatron managed to conquer Cybertron, just as in Beast Machines, with Inferno, Tanker (reformatted from Scorponok), and Jetstorm (reformatted from SIlverbolt. Eventually, Obsidian would overthrow Megatron before he, Tanker, and Inferno were recruited to Unicron’s service and sent to another Universe, leaving Waspscream, Rodimus Primal, Magnetron, and Icebird ruling Cybertron.