Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images

Sabrblade wrote:And, inb4 "He should have been the Cybertron Armorhide/BotCon Huffer or Movie Longarm/ROTF Hoist mold" complaints, TOO BAD! Neither of those molds were readily available for Fun Pub to use! The Unicron Trilogy molds are old and worn out, and Paramount holds part of the license to Movie Longarm's mold. Fun Pub couldn't use either at their expensive, so this is what they had available to work with. Don't like it? Fine. But, don't like cuz it's not what you wanted? DEAL WITH IT!

No one's even forcing you to get/keep this guy. Sell him off to someone who wants him if you feel so inclined.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And, inb4 "He should have been the Cybertron Armorhide/BotCon Huffer or Movie Longarm/ROTF Hoist mold" complaints, TOO BAD! Neither of those molds were readily available for Fun Pub to use! The Unicron Trilogy molds are old and worn out, and Paramount holds part of the license to Movie Longarm's mold. Fun Pub couldn't use either at their expensive, so this is what they had available to work with. Don't like it? Fine. But, don't like cuz it's not what you wanted? DEAL WITH IT!

No one's even forcing you to get/keep this guy. Sell him off to someone who wants him if you feel so inclined.

Whoa, somebody got off the wrong side of the bed.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Also, I don't know who Electro is...

DecepticonFinishline wrote:I think this one actually looks better in final production mode.

Also, I don't know who Electro is...

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Sabrblade wrote:They honestly look quite good together.

Banjo-Tron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:They honestly look quite good together.

For serious? I would agree on 3 or 4 out of 5 at a push, but that prime dreadwing mould sticks out like a sore thumb. Its almost as jarring as having an animated mould in the mix. Even an original headsculpt may have improved its cohesiveness but as it is? Noo ways.

Sabrblade wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:They honestly look quite good together.

For serious? I would agree on 3 or 4 out of 5 at a push, but that prime dreadwing mould sticks out like a sore thumb. Its almost as jarring as having an animated mould in the mix. Even an original headsculpt may have improved its cohesiveness but as it is? Noo ways.

2005 "Descent Into Evil" - 1 RiD mold, 2 Beast Wars molds, 1 G2 mold, 3 Energon molds

2006 "Dawn of Future's Past" - 4 Cybertron molds, 1 Armada mold

2008 "Shattered Glass" - 3 Classics molds, 3 Cybertron molds

2009 "Wings of Honor" - 3 Cybertron molds, 2 Energon molds

2010 "Generation 2: Redux" - 4 Universe molds, 1 Energon mold

2012 "Invasion" - 3 Reveal the Shield molds, 1 Universe mold, 1 ROTF mold, 1 Generations mold

2007 and 2011 are the only years that the boxed set has had all molds come from the same line. Mixing molds from different lines his hardly anything new with the BotCon boxed sets.

And that's not even getting into the souvenirs, the attendance freebies, the custom class figures, or the Club exclusives.

Sabrblade wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:They honestly look quite good together.

For serious? I would agree on 3 or 4 out of 5 at a push, but that prime dreadwing mould sticks out like a sore thumb. Its almost as jarring as having an animated mould in the mix. Even an original headsculpt may have improved its cohesiveness but as it is? Noo ways.

2005 "Descent Into Evil" - 1 RiD mold, 2 Beast Wars molds, 1 G2 mold, 3 Energon molds

2006 "Dawn of Future's Past" - 4 Cybertron molds, 1 Armada mold

2008 "Shattered Glass" - 3 Classics molds, 3 Cybertron molds

2009 "Wings of Honor" - 3 Cybertron molds, 2 Energon molds

2010 "Generation 2: Redux" - 4 Universe molds, 1 Energon mold

2012 "Invasion" - 3 Reveal the Shield molds, 1 Universe mold, 1 ROTF mold, 1 Generations mold

2007 and 2011 are the only years that the boxed set has had all molds come from the same line. Mixing molds from different lines his hardly anything new with the BotCon boxed sets.

And that's not even getting into the souvenirs, the attendance freebies, the custom class figures, or the Club exclusives.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, let's also not forget that this is Machine Wars we're talking about here, whose molds already consisted of bricky Euro G1 molds and unreleased extra-articulated (for the time) flipchanging late G2 molds mixed together, and whose color schemes were so whack out nd diver from each other that the only constant shared between the all was some gray and the occasional shade of puke brown. Not to mention its giant Starscream, tiny Megatron and Seekers, and Optimus being in the same size class as Starscream despite Screamer being twice his size.

For this set to be as non-cohesive as the original toyline its recalling is honestly quite fitting.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:although size classes were radically out of scale, and the paint jobs were drab during machine wars' one wave, they shared, more or less, similar late g2's aesthetic value.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:The flip changers and G1 in general had been mixed together in other toylines, such as beast wars II and late G2.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:for the same logic to apply on this set, Prime, R.o.t.F, clasics/universe would have needed to be mixed in one toyline, and used together on other occasions for other toylines and sets.

Sabrblade wrote:Aside from the Go-Bots and the Auto Rollers, "late G2" (circa 1995) didn't have any toys as bricky and inarticulate as the G1 Predators and Turbomasters.

Sabrblade wrote:And it was just as awkward in that line as it was in Machine Wars. Especially when you got Megastorm towering over everybody when he's much smaller than his toy in the cartoon and his Gigastorm form is supposed to be bigger.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, Reveal the Shield had molds from both the ROTF/Movieverse style and the Classics-style.
And the GDO Generations line had molds from both the above two styles and Prime Cliffjumper's mold.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Aside from the Go-Bots and the Auto Rollers, "late G2" (circa 1995) didn't have any toys as bricky and inarticulate as the G1 Predators and Turbomasters.

well if we're counting the beast wars II dirge and thrust as g2 molds then we can count the reused g1 figure planned for 1995, however you're right, i should have clarified Mid to late G2

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And it was just as awkward in that line as it was in Machine Wars. Especially when you got Megastorm towering over everybody when he's much smaller than his toy in the cartoon and his Gigastorm form is supposed to be bigger.

awkward yes, however they were still used in those lines as common place, although odd, the more they were used the less odd it was over time to see the G2 flipformers used with other kinds of figure. Not sure what megastorm and gigastorm actually have to do with this though, as we're comparing something with media, to something without. i was talking strictly toyline.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Well, Reveal the Shield had molds from both the ROTF/Movieverse style and the Classics-style.
And the GDO Generations line had molds from both the above two styles and Prime Cliffjumper's mold.

and the other times besiden GDO? transformers 2010-12/reveal the shield lines don't count as it only used movie and classics-verse molds, while prime (1st edition and P.R.I.D) were separate. i'm asking for two more separate toylines and or sets, not counting botcon 13, where movie, classic, and prime figure were all used at once

Sabrblade wrote:I was talking about how you said all of the MW toys were of a similar aesthetic to the latter G2 toys, which the Predator and Turbomaster toys that MW were not.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, if it's acceptable for BWII to use molds from early G2, late G2, and BW, then why is it unacceptable for this set to use molds from three different aesthetics as well?

Also, even regardless of the cartoon, toys like Megastorm, Gigastorm, The Autorollers, and the Seacons were all of a different aesthetic from the rest of the line, and so felt awkward with them being placed alongside molds that were far more articulated and advanced in design.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, the 2003 Universe line used molds from all kinds of toylines. G1, G2, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, RiD, Armada, Energon.

The RobotMasters line had both new molds and molds from G2, Beast Wars, and Machine Wars.

The Robots in Disguise line had both new molds and molds from G1, G2, Beast Wars, Machine Wars, and Beast Machines.

The 2008 Universe line had both new "Classics-style" molds and molds from Cybertron, Classics (yeah, I know, same aesthetic as the new mold, but listed for completion's sake), Titanium, Armada, and Masterpiece.

The Kiss Players line had molds from Binaltech/Alternators, G1, and Beast Wars.

The United toyline eventually grew to using molds from Cybertron, Energon, Beast Wars, and Power Core Combiners in addition to its own "Classics-style" molds.

And then there's the Generations line, which contains at least three different aesthetics in and of itself: WFC/FOC, Classics-style, and "Thrilling 30", the latter of which being the style of the IDW comics.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:You didn't answer my question, you gave examples of other mixed toy lines, i asked for ROTF, P.R.I.D/1st edition, and Classics all together in two other lines, beside GDO. Again my basic point is still that of repetitive use

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:You didn't answer my question, you gave examples of other mixed toy lines, i asked for ROTF, P.R.I.D/1st edition, and Classics all together in two other lines, beside GDO. Again my basic point is still that of repetitive use

Why do those specific ones matter any more than any other trio of lines? All three of those are no further apart from each other design-wise than, say, G1 and Beast Machines, or Beast Wars and Armada, or Cybertron and Titanium. What makes thsoe three stand out more than any other toyline trio?

Plus, toys like the ROTF Bludgeon mold weren't designed by Paramount, so those kinds of movieverse toys were given aesthetic treatment similar to/closer to those of the Classics-style toys, only while still trying to remain within the Movie aesthetic enough to keep them under that classification (unlike the Movie 1 straight up Cybertron/Classics redecos that Walmart and TRU got).

And there's the fact that the Prime FE toys were designed with the Generations toyline in mind, making them able to evoke that aesthetic while still physically resembling the cartoon's CG models.

You're simply not going to get the answer you want because, outside of GDO, the era of the Movieverse molds died right after DOTM, which is when the Prime RID toyline came into being. That is why I gave examples from other past toylines since they're all we have to work with to fit the criteria of one toyline mixing molds from different previous lines of differing aesthetics.

helli0n wrote:I'm really digging MW Starscream's paint job. Now all he needs is a cape and a little Galvatron cannon. lol...



Also got the same assembly flaw in my Hoist as Vangelus found in 4 others. And based on the promo shot in the first post I think its going to be in all of them. Doh..!

RAcast wrote:What's the assembly flaw?

Sabrblade wrote:

RAcast wrote:What's the assembly flaw?

The shoulders are switched. Just checked mine. Same problem.

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RAcast wrote:What's the assembly flaw?

The shoulders are switched. Just checked mine. Same problem.

So the pins that attach the wheels to the shoulders face out?

Does it mess with the transformation in any way?

Mindmaster wrote:I think you've got everything accounted for, as far as base molds go. Are there comparisons of the original toys each exclusive is based on (dumb question)?

Seibertron wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:I think you've got everything accounted for, as far as base molds go. Are there comparisons of the original toys each exclusive is based on (dumb question)?

That is correct. For example, Machine Wars Mirage will have a comparison shot with the other 6 versions of this mold. Maybe I'll even do Fracture's gallery at long last while I have her out.

Seibertron wrote:Machine Wars Hoist
G2 Electro
Generations Swerve
United Kup
United Battle Damaged Kup

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Hey sabrblade, you know allot more about the inner workings of Funpub than most of us here; isn't there some kinda agreement they abide by that states the wont use previously used molds for new exclusives? like they shouldn't have been able to use the classics seeker and mirage molds for the rainmakers and machine wars mirage because they already used those molds for Botcon thundercracker and BotCon Hologram Mirage. Because i remember you or JelZe GoldRabbit saying that there is something like that in their terms of service with hasbro.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Hey sabrblade, you know allot more about the inner workings of Funpub than most of us here; isn't there some kinda agreement they abide by that states the wont use previously used molds for new exclusives? like they shouldn't have been able to use the classics seeker and mirage molds for the rainmakers and machine wars mirage because they already used those molds for Botcon thundercracker and BotCon Hologram Mirage. Because i remember you or JelZe GoldRabbit saying that there is something like that in their terms of service with hasbro.