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Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images

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Tuesday, June 11th, 2013 1:28PM CDT

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Courtesy of the BotCon Twitter account, we have production sample images of the final figure from this year's convention exclusive Machine Wars: Termination box set: Hoist. Check out the mirrored images below!

Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images

Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494407)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 11th, 2013 @ 1:31pm CDT
FunPub, you're not fooling anyone: it's Electro painted black. But I still like him. :)
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494408)
Posted by gothsaurus on June 11th, 2013 @ 1:37pm CDT
Okay, if we don't see a gold repaint of this, I'll be really disgruntled. >:oP
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494420)
Posted by rpetras on June 11th, 2013 @ 2:29pm CDT
Too bad.

This makes a better Trailbreaker than the upcoming Trailcutter.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494423)
Posted by Mkall on June 11th, 2013 @ 2:47pm CDT
DIfferent head than what we saw previously. I'm not sure I like it better though. come on Electro repaint!
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494424)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 11th, 2013 @ 2:51pm CDT
Two eyes instead of a visor. Weird.

And, inb4 "He should have been the Cybertron Armorhide/BotCon Huffer or Movie Longarm/ROTF Hoist mold" complaints, TOO BAD! Neither of those molds were readily available for Fun Pub to use! The Unicron Trilogy molds are old and worn out, and Paramount holds part of the license to Movie Longarm's mold. Fun Pub couldn't use either at their leisure, so this is what they had available to work with. Don't like it? Fine. But, don't like cuz it's not what you wanted? DEAL WITH IT!

No one's even forcing you to get/keep this guy. Sell him off to someone who wants him if you feel so inclined.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494426)
Posted by Mindmaster on June 11th, 2013 @ 2:57pm CDT
Obvious Electro is obvious.

I like this head better than the preproduction, photoshopped one.

Like I said before, because of the recent production samples, I'm more inclined to like the set. Skywarp still needs a better mold, though. >:oP
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494427)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 11th, 2013 @ 2:57pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:And, inb4 "He should have been the Cybertron Armorhide/BotCon Huffer or Movie Longarm/ROTF Hoist mold" complaints, TOO BAD! Neither of those molds were readily available for Fun Pub to use! The Unicron Trilogy molds are old and worn out, and Paramount holds part of the license to Movie Longarm's mold. Fun Pub couldn't use either at their expensive, so this is what they had available to work with. Don't like it? Fine. But, don't like cuz it's not what you wanted? DEAL WITH IT!

No one's even forcing you to get/keep this guy. Sell him off to someone who wants him if you feel so inclined.


Whoa, somebody got off the wrong side of the bed. :shock:
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494428)
Posted by gothsaurus on June 11th, 2013 @ 3:01pm CDT
Curious to see if a head swap is possible. Might buy an extra and Trailbreaker-cize him. LOL.

Still, looks good. Can't complain about a black Botcon figure or a nice head sculpt... or a G2 Electro repaint, which I'm sure we can bank on. (plus maybe that yellow dude... uh.... Hubcap... and/or Tow Line, who could go on a shelf with the TFCC Side Burn and SkyByte.) I'm thinking this mold will turn out to be a good choice for the convention.

All things considered, I'll be really disappointed if we don't see a Mirage and Prowl. That's an underused mold and would be some decent looking figures. They could even throw out an insane G2 version as well, ha ha ha. :DANCE:
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494430)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on June 11th, 2013 @ 3:02pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:And, inb4 "He should have been the Cybertron Armorhide/BotCon Huffer or Movie Longarm/ROTF Hoist mold" complaints, TOO BAD! Neither of those molds were readily available for Fun Pub to use! The Unicron Trilogy molds are old and worn out, and Paramount holds part of the license to Movie Longarm's mold. Fun Pub couldn't use either at their expensive, so this is what they had available to work with. Don't like it? Fine. But, don't like cuz it's not what you wanted? DEAL WITH IT!

No one's even forcing you to get/keep this guy. Sell him off to someone who wants him if you feel so inclined.


Whoa, somebody got off the wrong side of the bed. :shock:

Agreed. Now I actually do feel like bitching about this guy not having the right head.

But I can't, because it reminds me of how Soundwave's noggin was drawn in Marvel U.S. #10, an issue with a special place in my heart. Oh, and non-GPS Electro repaint FTW! C'mon 3rd party light-up sword upgrade!
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494431)
Posted by gothsaurus on June 11th, 2013 @ 3:06pm CDT
*buys set... leaves Skywarp and movie bots in vehicle mode*
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494433)
Posted by DecepticonFinishline on June 11th, 2013 @ 3:11pm CDT
I think this one actually looks better in final production mode.

Also, I don't know who Electro is...
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494435)
Posted by Mindmaster on June 11th, 2013 @ 3:13pm CDT
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494437)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 11th, 2013 @ 3:18pm CDT
DecepticonFinishline wrote:I think this one actually looks better in final production mode.

Also, I don't know who Electro is...


Electro is a so-called Laser Rod, figures with LED-lit swords released during Generation 2 in 1994. They were quite articulated for their time, they even had a turning waist with a rubber band, similar to G.I. Joe figures. Electro is quite notorious for having Gold Plastic Syndrome, becoming very brittle over time. He could be the poster child along with the golden G2 Slingshot :lol:

Electro was a pickup with the subgroup's trademark engine on the hood, hence the choice of Generations Sergeant Kup, while the head has features of Electro's (overal shape) and Machine Wars Hoist (circles in the head crest). Don't count on the BotCon one getting a sword, though I will be very pleasantly surprised if he did.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494439)
Posted by gothsaurus on June 11th, 2013 @ 3:20pm CDT
Wow. I don't remember my Electro breaking. Guess I might want to leave that dude in the rubbermaid container where he's resting currently.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494458)
Posted by El Duque on June 11th, 2013 @ 4:36pm CDT
The official BotCon facebook page has shared a group shot of all five production samples from this year's convention exclusive "Machine Wars: Termination" box set. The set features Hoist, Skywarp, Megaplex, Obsidian, and Stika. Also a quick reminder, BotCon 2013 registration ends tonight at midnight ET. Check out the image below.

Hello all,

Registration will close midnight eastern time tonight! After tonight, you will need to come to late registration at the Town and Country Resort, Friday, June 28th, at 9:30 am to get a BotCon package.

If you still need to register, time is running out. Please go to BotCon.com and click on register.

General Admission tickets are available at the door only.

It's going to be a fantastic time in San Diego!

See you at BotCon!


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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494459)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 11th, 2013 @ 4:40pm CDT
They honestly look quite good together.
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Posted by Banjo-Tron on June 11th, 2013 @ 5:30pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:They honestly look quite good together.

For serious? I would agree on 3 or 4 out of 5 at a push, but that prime dreadwing mould sticks out like a sore thumb. Its almost as jarring as having an animated mould in the mix. Even an original headsculpt may have improved its cohesiveness but as it is? Noo ways.
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Posted by SW's SilverHammer on June 11th, 2013 @ 5:47pm CDT
I think these are good figures, in regards to a repaint, however they aren't spectacular. I feel like the club missed the opportunity to improve the color schemes of the machines wars pallets by adding more details. However, the way the club went about the color schemes, the figures are about as drab as the KB-toys figures (with the exception of Obsidian and strike).
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Posted by Sabrblade on June 11th, 2013 @ 6:57pm CDT
Banjo-Tron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:They honestly look quite good together.

For serious? I would agree on 3 or 4 out of 5 at a push, but that prime dreadwing mould sticks out like a sore thumb. Its almost as jarring as having an animated mould in the mix. Even an original headsculpt may have improved its cohesiveness but as it is? Noo ways.
2005 "Descent Into Evil" - 1 RiD mold, 2 Beast Wars molds, 1 G2 mold, 3 Energon molds

2006 "Dawn of Future's Past" - 4 Cybertron molds, 1 Armada mold

2008 "Shattered Glass" - 3 Classics molds, 3 Cybertron molds

2009 "Wings of Honor" - 3 Cybertron molds, 2 Energon molds

2010 "Generation 2: Redux" - 4 Universe molds, 1 Energon mold

2012 "Invasion" - 3 Reveal the Shield molds, 1 Universe mold, 1 ROTF mold, 1 Generations mold

2007 and 2011 are the only years that the boxed set has had all molds come from the same line. Mixing molds from different lines his hardly anything new with the BotCon boxed sets.

And that's not even getting into the souvenirs, the attendance freebies, the custom class figures, or the Club exclusives. ;)
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494495)
Posted by Henry921 on June 11th, 2013 @ 8:29pm CDT
Am I the only one annoyed Hoist now has two eyes rather than his initial 'visor' look?

Now he looks less like MW Hoist than ever.

And there go my hopes of reusing the head for a Soundwave figure... bleh.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494496)
Posted by datguy86 on June 11th, 2013 @ 8:32pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Banjo-Tron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:They honestly look quite good together.

For serious? I would agree on 3 or 4 out of 5 at a push, but that prime dreadwing mould sticks out like a sore thumb. Its almost as jarring as having an animated mould in the mix. Even an original headsculpt may have improved its cohesiveness but as it is? Noo ways.
2005 "Descent Into Evil" - 1 RiD mold, 2 Beast Wars molds, 1 G2 mold, 3 Energon molds

2006 "Dawn of Future's Past" - 4 Cybertron molds, 1 Armada mold

2008 "Shattered Glass" - 3 Classics molds, 3 Cybertron molds

2009 "Wings of Honor" - 3 Cybertron molds, 2 Energon molds

2010 "Generation 2: Redux" - 4 Universe molds, 1 Energon mold

2012 "Invasion" - 3 Reveal the Shield molds, 1 Universe mold, 1 ROTF mold, 1 Generations mold

2007 and 2011 are the only years that the boxed set has had all molds come from the same line. Mixing molds from different lines his hardly anything new with the BotCon boxed sets.

And that's not even getting into the souvenirs, the attendance freebies, the custom class figures, or the Club exclusives. ;)


Except RiD and Beast Wars had a lot of mold in common. Energon and Cybertron have very similar aesthetics (along with much of Armada). Reveal the Shield, Universe and Generations might as well be the same line aesthetically. Prime and Animated have some similar looks. But among these characters, Prime molds do look a lot different. Though for me the standout character is Obsidian, followed by Megaplex.

However, this is a matter of personal taste. It actually doesn't matter if past BotCon sets are mostly composed of different lines. Past lines have felt more cohesive due to the selection of (albeit cross-series) toys and appropriate paintjobs. This is an eye of the beholder deal, and not something that can be proved by facts. I also don't recall the poster saying anything about past BotCons not using the same molds.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494499)
Posted by Dagon on June 11th, 2013 @ 8:41pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Banjo-Tron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:They honestly look quite good together.

For serious? I would agree on 3 or 4 out of 5 at a push, but that prime dreadwing mould sticks out like a sore thumb. Its almost as jarring as having an animated mould in the mix. Even an original headsculpt may have improved its cohesiveness but as it is? Noo ways.
2005 "Descent Into Evil" - 1 RiD mold, 2 Beast Wars molds, 1 G2 mold, 3 Energon molds

2006 "Dawn of Future's Past" - 4 Cybertron molds, 1 Armada mold

2008 "Shattered Glass" - 3 Classics molds, 3 Cybertron molds

2009 "Wings of Honor" - 3 Cybertron molds, 2 Energon molds

2010 "Generation 2: Redux" - 4 Universe molds, 1 Energon mold

2012 "Invasion" - 3 Reveal the Shield molds, 1 Universe mold, 1 ROTF mold, 1 Generations mold

2007 and 2011 are the only years that the boxed set has had all molds come from the same line. Mixing molds from different lines his hardly anything new with the BotCon boxed sets.

And that's not even getting into the souvenirs, the attendance freebies, the custom class figures, or the Club exclusives. ;)


And I don't think your list is getting at the point here. The post was not about the mixing of lines or even any call for a unified box set made up of only one line at a time, but rather that one of the molds in this set looks out of place amongst the other ones. I hardly think anyone needs to write out a list of what figures were used in any given set to think that some one of them looks odd alongside the others.
It's not about the lines the molds are from but rather the way they look together. Take 2008 for example: earth car, earth car, earth truck, dinosaur, Cybertronian jet. Starscream in the 2008 box set looks out of place or odd next to the other toys, even with the other two toys from the same line as Starscream.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494501)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 11th, 2013 @ 8:43pm CDT
Well, let's also not forget that this is Machine Wars we're talking about here, whose molds already consisted of bricky Euro G1 molds and unreleased extra-articulated (for the time) flipchanging late G2 molds mixed together, and whose color schemes were so whack out nd diver from each other that the only constant shared between the all was some gray and the occasional shade of puke brown. Not to mention its giant Starscream, tiny Megatron and Seekers, and Optimus being in the same size class as Starscream despite Screamer being twice his size.

For this set to be as non-cohesive as the original toyline its recalling is honestly quite fitting. :-B
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Posted by SW's SilverHammer on June 11th, 2013 @ 9:16pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Well, let's also not forget that this is Machine Wars we're talking about here, whose molds already consisted of bricky Euro G1 molds and unreleased extra-articulated (for the time) flipchanging late G2 molds mixed together, and whose color schemes were so whack out nd diver from each other that the only constant shared between the all was some gray and the occasional shade of puke brown. Not to mention its giant Starscream, tiny Megatron and Seekers, and Optimus being in the same size class as Starscream despite Screamer being twice his size.

For this set to be as non-cohesive as the original toyline its recalling is honestly quite fitting. :-B


although size classes were radically out of scale, and the paint jobs were drab during machine wars' one wave, they shared, more or less, similar late g2's aesthetic value. The flip changers and G1 in general had been mixed together in other toylines, such as beast wars II and late G2.

for the same logic to apply on this set, Prime, R.o.t.F, clasics/universe would have needed to be mixed in one toyline, and used together on other occasions for other toylines and sets.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494527)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 11th, 2013 @ 10:16pm CDT
SW's SilverHammer wrote:although size classes were radically out of scale, and the paint jobs were drab during machine wars' one wave, they shared, more or less, similar late g2's aesthetic value.
Aside from the Go-Bots and the Auto Rollers, "late G2" (circa 1995) didn't have any toys as bricky and inarticulate as the G1 Predators and Turbomasters.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:The flip changers and G1 in general had been mixed together in other toylines, such as beast wars II and late G2.
And it was just as awkward in that line as it was in Machine Wars.

Especially when you got Megastorm towering over everybody when he's much smaller than his toy in the cartoon and his Gigastorm form is supposed to be bigger.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:for the same logic to apply on this set, Prime, R.o.t.F, clasics/universe would have needed to be mixed in one toyline, and used together on other occasions for other toylines and sets.
Well, Reveal the Shield had molds from both the ROTF/Movieverse style and the Classics-style.

And the GDO Generations line had molds from both the above two styles and Prime Cliffjumper's mold.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494536)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on June 11th, 2013 @ 10:50pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Aside from the Go-Bots and the Auto Rollers, "late G2" (circa 1995) didn't have any toys as bricky and inarticulate as the G1 Predators and Turbomasters.

well if we're counting the beast wars II dirge and thrust as g2 molds then we can count the reused g1 figure planned for 1995, however you're right, i should have clarified Mid to late G2

Sabrblade wrote:And it was just as awkward in that line as it was in Machine Wars. Especially when you got Megastorm towering over everybody when he's much smaller than his toy in the cartoon and his Gigastorm form is supposed to be bigger.


awkward yes, however they were still used in those lines as common place, although odd, the more they were used the less odd it was over time to see the G2 flipformers used with other kinds of figure. Not sure what megastorm and gigastorm actually have to do with this though, as we're comparing something with media, to something without. i was talking strictly toyline.


Sabrblade wrote:Well, Reveal the Shield had molds from both the ROTF/Movieverse style and the Classics-style.
And the GDO Generations line had molds from both the above two styles and Prime Cliffjumper's mold.


and the other times besiden GDO? transformers 2010-12/reveal the shield lines don't count as it only used movie and classics-verse molds, while prime (1st edition and P.R.I.D) were separate. i'm asking for two more separate toylines and or sets, not counting botcon 13, where movie, classic, and prime figure were all used at once
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494538)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 11th, 2013 @ 11:15pm CDT
SW's SilverHammer wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Aside from the Go-Bots and the Auto Rollers, "late G2" (circa 1995) didn't have any toys as bricky and inarticulate as the G1 Predators and Turbomasters.

well if we're counting the beast wars II dirge and thrust as g2 molds then we can count the reused g1 figure planned for 1995, however you're right, i should have clarified Mid to late G2
I was talking about how you said all of the MW toys were of a similar aesthetic to the latter G2 toys, which the Predator and Turbomaster toys that MW were not.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:And it was just as awkward in that line as it was in Machine Wars. Especially when you got Megastorm towering over everybody when he's much smaller than his toy in the cartoon and his Gigastorm form is supposed to be bigger.


awkward yes, however they were still used in those lines as common place, although odd, the more they were used the less odd it was over time to see the G2 flipformers used with other kinds of figure. Not sure what megastorm and gigastorm actually have to do with this though, as we're comparing something with media, to something without. i was talking strictly toyline.
Well, if it's acceptable for BWII to use molds from early G2, late G2, and BW, then why is it unacceptable for this set to use molds from three different aesthetics as well?

Also, even regardless of the cartoon, toys like Megastorm, Gigastorm, The Autorollers, and the Seacons were all of a different aesthetic from the rest of the line, and so felt awkward with them being placed alongside molds that were far more articulated and advanced in design.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Well, Reveal the Shield had molds from both the ROTF/Movieverse style and the Classics-style.
And the GDO Generations line had molds from both the above two styles and Prime Cliffjumper's mold.


and the other times besiden GDO? transformers 2010-12/reveal the shield lines don't count as it only used movie and classics-verse molds, while prime (1st edition and P.R.I.D) were separate. i'm asking for two more separate toylines and or sets, not counting botcon 13, where movie, classic, and prime figure were all used at once
Well, the 2003 Universe line used molds from all kinds of toylines. G1, G2, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, RiD, Armada, Energon.

The RobotMasters line had both new molds and molds from G2, Beast Wars, and Machine Wars.

The Robots in Disguise line had both new molds and molds from G1, G2, Beast Wars, Machine Wars, and Beast Machines.

The 2008 Universe line had both new "Classics-style" molds and molds from Cybertron, Classics (yeah, I know, same aesthetic as the new mold, but listed for completion's sake), Titanium, Armada, and Masterpiece.

The Kiss Players line had molds from Binaltech/Alternators, G1, and Beast Wars.

The United toyline eventually grew to using molds from Cybertron, Energon, Beast Wars, and Power Core Combiners in addition to its own "Classics-style" molds.

And then there's the Generations line, which contains at least three different aesthetics in and of itself: WFC/FOC, Classics-style, and "Thrilling 30", the latter of which being the style of the IDW comics.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1494545)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on June 11th, 2013 @ 11:55pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I was talking about how you said all of the MW toys were of a similar aesthetic to the latter G2 toys, which the Predator and Turbomaster toys that MW were not.
Okay well then, the you're right i was wrong. Again to make my point i should had have said mid to late g2. The reason i think the aesthetic values were similar, was because the later g2 figures were an evolution in engineering from late g1/ euro g1. the figures were still blocky in a aesthetic since, styledized limbs were built around an articulated figure. Machine wars used the old type of figure with the new.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, if it's acceptable for BWII to use molds from early G2, late G2, and BW, then why is it unacceptable for this set to use molds from three different aesthetics as well?

Also, even regardless of the cartoon, toys like Megastorm, Gigastorm, The Autorollers, and the Seacons were all of a different aesthetic from the rest of the line, and so felt awkward with them being placed alongside molds that were far more articulated and advanced in design.


The reason it's acceptable in instances like beast wars II, is because the figures of g2, g1, and best wars were used together in more than one line. The figures from ROTF P.R.I.D and classics havent been used in together mulitiple lines. I also wasn't saying the use of g1, g2 and beast wars in a line wasn't odd, i was just using Beast wars II as an example of another line were both the flip jets and g1/g2 were used together. The basic point being that of the flip formers and g1/g2's repetitive use together.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, the 2003 Universe line used molds from all kinds of toylines. G1, G2, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, RiD, Armada, Energon.

The RobotMasters line had both new molds and molds from G2, Beast Wars, and Machine Wars.

The Robots in Disguise line had both new molds and molds from G1, G2, Beast Wars, Machine Wars, and Beast Machines.

The 2008 Universe line had both new "Classics-style" molds and molds from Cybertron, Classics (yeah, I know, same aesthetic as the new mold, but listed for completion's sake), Titanium, Armada, and Masterpiece.

The Kiss Players line had molds from Binaltech/Alternators, G1, and Beast Wars.

The United toyline eventually grew to using molds from Cybertron, Energon, Beast Wars, and Power Core Combiners in addition to its own "Classics-style" molds.

And then there's the Generations line, which contains at least three different aesthetics in and of itself: WFC/FOC, Classics-style, and "Thrilling 30", the latter of which being the style of the IDW comics.


You didn't answer my question, you gave examples of other mixed toy lines, i asked for ROTF, P.R.I.D/1st edition, and Classics all together in two other lines, beside GDO. Again my basic point is still that of repetitive use
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Posted by Sabrblade on June 12th, 2013 @ 12:22am CDT
SW's SilverHammer wrote:You didn't answer my question, you gave examples of other mixed toy lines, i asked for ROTF, P.R.I.D/1st edition, and Classics all together in two other lines, beside GDO. Again my basic point is still that of repetitive use
Why do those specific ones matter any more than any other trio of lines? All three of those are no further apart from each other design-wise than, say, G1 and Beast Machines, or Beast Wars and Armada, or Cybertron and Titanium. What makes thsoe three stand out more than any other toyline trio?

Plus, toys like the ROTF Bludgeon mold weren't designed by Paramount, so those kinds of movieverse toys were given aesthetic treatment similar to/closer to those of the Classics-style toys, only while still trying to remain within the Movie aesthetic enough to keep them under that classification (unlike the Movie 1 straight up Cybertron/Classics redecos that Walmart and TRU got).

And there's the fact that the Prime FE toys were designed with the Generations toyline in mind, making them able to evoke that aesthetic while still physically resembling the cartoon's CG models.

You're simply not going to get the answer you want because, outside of GDO, the era of the Movieverse molds died right after DOTM, which is when the Prime RID toyline came into being. That is why I gave examples from other past toylines since they're all we have to work with to fit the criteria of one toyline mixing molds from different previous lines of differing aesthetics.
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Posted by SW's SilverHammer on June 12th, 2013 @ 1:09am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:You didn't answer my question, you gave examples of other mixed toy lines, i asked for ROTF, P.R.I.D/1st edition, and Classics all together in two other lines, beside GDO. Again my basic point is still that of repetitive use
Why do those specific ones matter any more than any other trio of lines? All three of those are no further apart from each other design-wise than, say, G1 and Beast Machines, or Beast Wars and Armada, or Cybertron and Titanium. What makes thsoe three stand out more than any other toyline trio?

Plus, toys like the ROTF Bludgeon mold weren't designed by Paramount, so those kinds of movieverse toys were given aesthetic treatment similar to/closer to those of the Classics-style toys, only while still trying to remain within the Movie aesthetic enough to keep them under that classification (unlike the Movie 1 straight up Cybertron/Classics redecos that Walmart and TRU got).

And there's the fact that the Prime FE toys were designed with the Generations toyline in mind, making them able to evoke that aesthetic while still physically resembling the cartoon's CG models.

You're simply not going to get the answer you want because, outside of GDO, the era of the Movieverse molds died right after DOTM, which is when the Prime RID toyline came into being. That is why I gave examples from other past toylines since they're all we have to work with to fit the criteria of one toyline mixing molds from different previous lines of differing aesthetics.


There it is, you've finally given the answer i wanted. There are no other instances were movie, classics and prime were together. The reason why these three lines are important is because these are what funpubs using. Although mismatched, the reason why g2 flipjets and g1 figures work together is minus the aesthetic value, they have been paired together on multiple occasions, beast wars II, universe 2003, robots in disguise, robot masters, and machine wars. Although odd together initially, their continued use together makes it comparatively more normal for them to be paired. The use of movie, classics, and prime have only occured during this botcon set an gdo, making it jarring for them to be together. If all three shared a line of resuse multiple times, it be somehat smoother, however they haven't, and all three have very different aesthetic values, barring some exceptions like bludgeon, who was initially created as part of classics universe.
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Posted by Banjo-Tron on June 12th, 2013 @ 2:43am CDT
Regardless of whatever precedents have been set before, Prime figures are too aesthetically different to be part of a CHUG set. Fun Pub have reached the bottom of the barrel in terms of what they have to work with, and boy, does it show. IMO of course.
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Posted by gothsaurus on June 12th, 2013 @ 8:29am CDT
Yeah, I think you hit on something... FunPub has to choose from a "small" pool of available toys. Some Hasbro/Takara deem off limits (characters about to hit the shelves), some are copyright issues (movie toys), some molds degraded, some lost or destroyed forever...

Given these circumstances, they have to choose molds that are good fits, and look good together... which obviously works better some years than others. BUT we do have to acknowledge they have their hands and one foot tied behind their back, so hats of for trying hard each year.

That said, these fit together better than I THOUGHT they would when they mentioned the chosen toys from three lines. Honestly, I think if a 3rd party head surfaces for the big guy, the TF Prime mold choice will probably bother me LEAST.

The movie bots clearly match less (and my lest favorite mold choices), but I think the unified color scheme helps them fit okay in the lineup. (and it helps that no dog-leg bots were used in the making of this production. Cripes, I hated that look through the movie. Starscream always looked like a top-heavy giant triangle with dog legs attached... and a waspinator head for good measure.)

Before passing final judgement, I realize we've only seen 1/3 of the convention bots. A lot can happen from here. Lots of reveals to come. I'll withhold judgement on the set till I see the rest. They may counterbalance the couple of odd-men-out.
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Posted by Delicon on June 12th, 2013 @ 2:07pm CDT
I don't get too excited or angry about these sets anymore. I go every year and choose what I want to keep and sell the rest. It's that simple.
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Posted by gothsaurus on June 12th, 2013 @ 2:27pm CDT
You're a brave soul, Delicon! It's tough to break up a collector's set! Given, if you don't get the box, it probably lessens the blow.

What are you planning to keep sell this year?? (And what sticks out from what you've sold (or just HAD to keep) in previous years?) Curious what kind of criteria you have.
Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" Hoist Production Sample Images (1498331)
Posted by helli0n on June 27th, 2013 @ 2:49am CDT
I'm really digging MW Starscream's paint job. Now all he needs is a cape and a little Galvatron cannon. lol...

Image

Also got the same assembly flaw in my Hoist as Vangelus found in 4 others. And based on the promo shot in the first post I think its going to be in all of them. Doh..!
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Posted by Henry921 on June 27th, 2013 @ 4:21am CDT
I never would've guessed Screamer for the attendee freebie...

Still, he looks sweet in that paint job. I must have it.
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Posted by RAcast on June 27th, 2013 @ 4:29pm CDT
helli0n wrote:I'm really digging MW Starscream's paint job. Now all he needs is a cape and a little Galvatron cannon. lol...

Image

Also got the same assembly flaw in my Hoist as Vangelus found in 4 others. And based on the promo shot in the first post I think its going to be in all of them. Doh..!

What's the assembly flaw?

And Starscream looks AMAZING. I want it...badly...but it'll cost so much, I don't think my wallet will let me. :sad:

I look forward to the Galvatron cannons people will no doubt make for him on Shapeways, haha.
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Posted by Sabrblade on June 27th, 2013 @ 11:20pm CDT
RAcast wrote:What's the assembly flaw?
The shoulders are switched. Just checked mine. Same problem. :-(
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Posted by Mindmaster on June 27th, 2013 @ 11:26pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
RAcast wrote:What's the assembly flaw?
The shoulders are switched. Just checked mine. Same problem. :-(


So the pins that attach the wheels to the shoulders face out?

Does it mess with the transformation in any way?
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Posted by Sabrblade on June 27th, 2013 @ 11:30pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
RAcast wrote:What's the assembly flaw?
The shoulders are switched. Just checked mine. Same problem. :-(


So the pins that attach the wheels to the shoulders face out?

Does it mess with the transformation in any way?
It's that his left shoulder is on his right and his right shoulder is on his left, leaving him unable to put his arms straight down in a relaxed position, making him constantly have his arms spread outward.

The transformation is unaffected, but the robot mode is still awkward.
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Posted by Henry921 on July 6th, 2013 @ 7:15am CDT
So... the final verdict.

I bought Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Megaplex, Obsidian, Sandstorm, Mirage, and the Rainmakers. That's ten of these pricey convention exclusives. I'm now giving serious thought to buying Strika as well, so I can make it an equal four on four battle, and have a nice, complete Machine Wars display.

When this set was announced, I knew I'd buy Skywarp, and by extension, his inevitable Thundercracker redeco. After the five members of the box set were announced, I felt a wave of relief. There was no way I'd spend much money. Obsidian and Strika may have looked cool, but they weren't characters I had a great deal of affection for. Megaplex didn't have a new Megatron head, and was thus skippable. I never had any interest in Hoist at all.

And yet... as the months went on, my opinion changed. I would consider getting Megaplex, to lead his Decepticons. He looked less and less like a repainted Dreadwing as time went on. Obsidian's color swap made me realize I would buy him, which brought the total to three. When I saw the production sample of Megaplex and especially the paint detail added to his "helmet", I knew I'd get four.

Surely nothing else would capture my attention...

...until I saw the rumored list, and Starscream using the Terradive mold. Having never owned the original Skyquake or the Machine Wars redeco, I had no need for Starscream to be a titan. And a clone of Megatron would need his reliable traitor. No Decepticon force is complete without its Starscream.

And finally, when the show came around... I saw the Rainmakers and Sandstorm. I fell in love with the former, and bought the latter because I saw him available for a great price, and thought he fit the Machine Wars aesthetic better than the other Autobots.

Though I found good deals on most, I still spent way, way more money than I'd intended. And I am euphoric for what I have received in return.

I bashed this set for months. I was wrong to have done so.

I'm sure this set still has many detractors, but it absolutely shattered my expectations and I am grateful to bear witness. This is a great, really self contained set, and one I can't wait to really play with. These being very expensive pieces of plastic, I'm less likely to run around pretending Obsidian and the Decepticons are engaged in a vicious dogfight, but I'm really enjoying actually sitting down and playing out battles, rather than putting my convention exclusives on a shelf to display.

I don't know how it happened exactly, but something about this set turned me around completely.
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Posted by ScottyP on July 7th, 2013 @ 10:59am CDT
^ Great post! I derided this set initially as well, but holy moly, I put everything together with my original Machine Wars toys and, well, they pulled it off. I now have a bigger Machine Wars display and it looks great. Only Strika feels a little out of place, but that's probably because she's the only purple bot in there.

And if anyone hasn't read the Burcham comic that goes along with the set, pick up the Diamond version when it hits. It's super fun and it made me want to keep the Megaplex head that came with my set attached and put the Renderform one away in a pile of parts.
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Posted by Seibertron on July 7th, 2013 @ 7:59pm CDT
I'm getting ready to work on the BotCon 2014 galleries later this week. I compiled a list of each mold along with its mold counterparts. Can you guys take a look at this list to see if I left off anything needed for comparison pics?

"Machine Wars" and "G2" refers to this year's BotCon set. While I own Arms Micron Dreadwing and I think I own United Warpath, I didn't include any other Japanese variants other than the ones that are on this list, because I only own variants that are noticeably different than the U.S. version.

Machine Wars Skywarp
Machine Wars Thundercracker

HFTD Jetblade
ROTF Dirge

Machine Wars Strika
Machine Wars Blastcharge

Generations Warpath
United Warpath

Machine Wars Obsidian
HFTD Highbrow
Generations Powerdive

Machine Wars Megaplex
Arms Micron Dreadwing
TFP Dreadwing
TFP Skyquake

Machine Wars Hoist
G2 Electro

Generations Swerve
United Kup
United Battle Damaged Kup

Machine Wars Mirage
Classics Mirage
Movie Fracture
Universe Drag Strip
BotCon Hologram Mirage
Henkei Mirage
Henkei Electro Disruptor Ligier

Machine Wars Sandstorm
DOTM Skyhammer

Machine Wars Starscream
Club Depth Charge

HFTD Terradive
DOTM Space Case

Rainmaker Bitstream
Rainmaker Hotlink
Rainmaker Sunstorm

… and 27 other uses of this mold
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Posted by Mindmaster on July 7th, 2013 @ 8:01pm CDT
I think you've got everything accounted for, as far as base molds go. Are there comparisons of the original toys each exclusive is based on (dumb question)?
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Posted by Seibertron on July 7th, 2013 @ 8:04pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:I think you've got everything accounted for, as far as base molds go. Are there comparisons of the original toys each exclusive is based on (dumb question)?


That is correct. For example, Machine Wars Mirage will have a comparison shot with the other 6 versions of this mold. Maybe I'll even do Fracture's gallery at long last while I have her out.
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Posted by Mindmaster on July 7th, 2013 @ 8:05pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:I think you've got everything accounted for, as far as base molds go. Are there comparisons of the original toys each exclusive is based on (dumb question)?


That is correct. For example, Machine Wars Mirage will have a comparison shot with the other 6 versions of this mold. Maybe I'll even do Fracture's gallery at long last while I have her out.


Alrighty then. I shall patiently wait for the galleries to be pumped out. :grin:
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Posted by Sabrblade on July 7th, 2013 @ 8:17pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Machine Wars Hoist
G2 Electro

Generations Swerve
United Kup
United Battle Damaged Kup
What about Generations Sergeant Kup?
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Posted by SW's SilverHammer on July 7th, 2013 @ 9:27pm CDT
Hey sabrblade, you know allot more about the inner workings of Funpub than most of us here; isn't there some kinda agreement they abide by that states the wont use previously used molds for new exclusives? like they shouldn't have been able to use the classics seeker and mirage molds for the rainmakers and machine wars mirage because they already used those molds for Botcon thundercracker and BotCon Hologram Mirage. Because i remember you or JelZe GoldRabbit saying that there is something like that in their terms of service with hasbro.
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Posted by Sabrblade on July 7th, 2013 @ 9:33pm CDT
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Hey sabrblade, you know allot more about the inner workings of Funpub than most of us here; isn't there some kinda agreement they abide by that states the wont use previously used molds for new exclusives? like they shouldn't have been able to use the classics seeker and mirage molds for the rainmakers and machine wars mirage because they already used those molds for Botcon thundercracker and BotCon Hologram Mirage. Because i remember you or JelZe GoldRabbit saying that there is something like that in their terms of service with hasbro.
I think with their having used the Seeker mold and Mirage mold more than once means that they can reuse molds.

But, I'd imagine they wouldn't make a habit of it.

Then again, this past BotCon showed quite a demand for even more uses of the Seeker mold, so... who knows? ;)
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Posted by Mkall on July 7th, 2013 @ 9:34pm CDT
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Hey sabrblade, you know allot more about the inner workings of Funpub than most of us here; isn't there some kinda agreement they abide by that states the wont use previously used molds for new exclusives? like they shouldn't have been able to use the classics seeker and mirage molds for the rainmakers and machine wars mirage because they already used those molds for Botcon thundercracker and BotCon Hologram Mirage. Because i remember you or JelZe GoldRabbit saying that there is something like that in their terms of service with hasbro.

There's no such rule in place. It was something that the fans brewed up in their imaginations after seeing The Club pass over some really obvious ideas (in the fans' minds anyways) in favour of something that used a different mold. There are many reasons that influences what characters The Club can use - availability and condition are the primary factors. Basically if it works for the character they want, and they can use the mold, they'll go for it.

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