BotCon 2014 Pirates vs. Knights Ferak and Tornado Revealed

That looks kinka horrid.

Cyclones plus sun = sun burn face

The mold works on so many levels it is too perfect.

All he needs is to have that white replaced with pastel lavender.

Hmmm... Not digging those colors...

I kinda like it.

So beside Sabrblade and the three other people in the entirety of the cosmos who know about this character extensively, can anyone tell me why, oh why I should care about this garish repaint that makes machine wars Skywarp look impressive?

Also, shouldn't this topic be merged with the main one?

Not sold yet but this is getting interesting.

It's been done before:

That's the RtS Cyclonus mold, right? Not bad. I thought I was gonna dislike this set, but so far they're 2 for 2 on figures I don't hate. I might have to get the Iacon package this year, if they keep this up.

I dunno about you guys, but I love it. I absolutely love it. I'm really liking how it seems the Club is busting out some of the more obscure characters for these exclusives. Here's to hoping more Squadron X characters!

Calling it now, though: if Macabre is coming up soon, it's gunna be from Generations Black Shadow. Ain't no convincing with me unless the reveal says different.

Sabrblade wrote:Also, shouldn't this topic be merged with the main one?

Technically it should, however since it is "newsed" if it is merged it will mess things up a bit.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Also, shouldn't this topic be merged with the main one?

Technically it should, however since it is "newsed" if it is merged it will mess things up a bit.

Oh, God... oh, God... I may have made an oopsie...

I like where this is going. Bring on more!

Honestly, people, aside from a more lavenderish color, what more were you expecting?

Aww well, at least its a good mold and they did use that awesome silver paint I love.

Sabrblade wrote:Honestly, people, aside from a more lavenderish color, what more were you expecting?

Something more characterful or interesting than a generic...

I really hope they have at least 1 G1 mold in there...

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Honestly, people, aside from a more lavenderish color, what more were you expecting?

Something more characterful or interesting than a generic...

And how many times was it stated in these forums that all of the pirates minus Cannonball were likely gonna be former members of Squadron X? That wasn't new news.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I really hope they have at least 1 G1 mold in there...

What do you mean by this?

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Honestly, people, aside from a more lavenderish color, what more were you expecting?

Something more characterful or interesting than a generic...

And how many times was it stated in these forums that all of the pirates minus Cannonball were likely gonna be former members of Squadron X? That wasn't new news.

What does that have to with anything? There are more characterful looking memebers of the Squadron X, honestly Ferak is not that interesting beside the fact cyclonus is a generally good mold.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It's been done before:

Ah yes, South American shoe-commercial Starscream! (at 0:14) Yes, I own the above figure entirely for this reason:

Well, the colors are backwards, but Strafe's as accurate to that commercial as this digibash is to LSOTW Ferak. I mean, I like the character choice, but hope that deco ain't final.

A bit of a letdown that Tornado is just a Nightstick instead of the Classics Mirage I've always wanted. So what, is Earthquake going to be the Minicon Iceberg?

But the BIG question: Any chance in Hell we'll get the bonus of a peg hole finally being molded into this figure's left hand? That surely wouldn't cost as much as s new head, and I'll never understand why that wasn't done in the first place; has it been explained?

Sabrblade wrote:Honestly, people, aside from a more lavenderish color, what more were you expecting?

A halfway decent paint job instead of a halfway colored sheet of paper.

Total fail. Money saved. Cyclonus called and said he wants his mold back.

And maybe it's just the red face, but he kind of reminds me of the Wildrider Cyclonus in FFOD:

http://zobovor.tripod.com/ringleader_tfu.html

Nope.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Also, shouldn't this topic be merged with the main one?

Technically it should, however since it is "newsed" if it is merged it will mess things up a bit.

Looks like the news staff already merged it. Nothing gets messed up ... you just have to edit the news story as well to reflect the new forum topic.

Sabrblade wrote:The mold works on so many levels it is too perfect.

All he needs is to have that white replaced with pastel lavender.

Really? Let's see.
-Wrong horns.
-Wrong color.
-Wrong Altmode.

Yeah, this mold is perfect! Not.

Hey TFCC, he's and idea, how about giving more than 1 really good figure?
Can you do that?

Red face with Lavender body might have been too reminiscent of Cyclonus, but it would have been much, much better than this garish deco. Maybe I'll like it more once I re-read LSOTW, but for now:

Manterax Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The mold works on so many levels it is too perfect.

All he needs is to have that white replaced with pastel lavender.

Really? Let's see.
-Wrong horns.
-Wrong color.
-Wrong Altmode.

Yeah, this mold is perfect! Not.

Hey TFCC, he's and idea, how about giving more than 1 really good figure?
Can you do that?

*ah-hem*

-Has horns.
-I'll give you the color.
-Wings in right place and right angle.

I like it, but I wish there weren't giant pirate insigneas on the wings.

Someone asked, even before IDW, Squad X were Marvel UK. Obscure, but I'd rather have more Decepticon personalities than a dozen Starscreams, wouldn't you?

Also, I personally think this is a bit of redemption. We were expecting true pirates, bt if they pull Obscure Marvel characters out of their aftplates, this could be a pretty good Thrilling 30 for Botcon after all.

Sabrblade wrote:Honestly, people, aside from a more lavenderish color, what more were you expecting?

Something more worth the money.
They're scraping the bottom of the barrel so far.
Sure, Cannonball is better than this guy, but still.

Flashwave wrote:...I'd rather have more Decepticon personalities than a dozen Starscreams, wouldn't you?

Yeah, I mean, having several different versions of Starscream is bananas, right?

*nervously whistles and sweats*

Manterax Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Honestly, people, aside from a more lavenderish color, what more were you expecting?

Something more worth the money.
They're scraping the bottom of the barrel so far.
Sure, Cannonball is better than this guy, but still.

Believe it or not, people have been wanting toys of these guys for years. Just like how they've wanted Straxus and Jhiaxus, and now it's finally happening for a lot more of these as well.

Sabrblade wrote:

Manterax Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Honestly, people, aside from a more lavenderish color, what more were you expecting?

Something more worth the money.
They're scraping the bottom of the barrel so far.
Sure, Cannonball is better than this guy, but still.

Believe it or not, people have been wanting toys of these guys for years. Just like how they've wanted Straxus and Jhiaxus, and now it's finally happening for a lot more of these as well.

To Be fair Straxus and Jhiaxus were plot critical characters of many a comic story arch, and had actual character, thus actually being important to the transformers mythos. X's roster is composed of many of the named minor Decepticon characters from the original Marvel Comics run for the purposes of fanwank.

Funny thing is, he's died in both comic continuities.
He died by Blaster's hand in the Marvel comics and was executed by Impactor in the IDWverse, so, yeah, very minor 'con.

And that somehow disqualifies him from being reinvented from a nobody into a somebody?

How is breathing new life into a brand new character made entirely from scratch any different from breathing new life into an existent-yet-untapped character who's been waiting to be used?

Manterax Prime wrote:Funny thing is, he's died in both comic continuities.
He died by Blaster's hand in the Marvel comics and was executed by Impactor in the IDWverse, so, yeah, very minor 'con.

Ahhh What? no spoiler warnings?!! lol seriously though
don't want this. more money saved.

Sabrblade wrote:And that somehow disqualifies him from being reinvented from a nobody into a somebody?

How is breathing new life into a brand new character made entirely from scratch any different from breathing new life into an existent-yet-untapped character who's been waiting to be used?

It's simple, not every one knows about, or alternatively cares to much about the significance, or lack of there fore of an extra from way back in the day being re purposed. A new character is just that, new, you saw the reaction towards windblade. How big was the fan reaction, beside people with knowledge like your own, was there toward squadron X?

Meh. I don't really care for the mold. It works good enough as Cuyclonus, but it's not really poseable from the waist up.

At least they could change the head. That would at make it some other dude besides Shattered Glass Cyclonus.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And that somehow disqualifies him from being reinvented from a nobody into a somebody?

How is breathing new life into a brand new character made entirely from scratch any different from breathing new life into an existent-yet-untapped character who's been waiting to be used?

It's simple, not every one knows about, or alternatively cares to much about the significance, or lack of there fore of an extra from way back in the day being re purposed. A new character is just that, new, you saw the reaction towards windblade. How big was the fan reaction, beside people with knowledge like your own, was there toward squadron X?

I'm completely lost as to what your point is here. The reaction towards Windblade was polarized at best, largely negative from what I saw. Reactions to heretofore fiction-only characters finally getting toys is usually positive; so positive that it jumpstarted the whole 3rd party market.

I'm not as obsessive as Saberblade, but I spent a good chunk of the '90s with no way to indulge in Transformers other than the Marvel books I'd found, and wished that its toyless characters would someday get their due justice in physical form.

What you're actually saying is that you don't care about the character. Fair enough, but when you expand that to an assumption that no one cares about them enough to warrant their ever getting a toy, that attitude leads down a slippery slope to GEEWUN, no matter what era of TFs you prefer. Myself, I'd seriously buy several Botcon sets of the Classics Starscream mold repainted into every last in-fiction background seeker, with new names and personalities made up as they went along.

That said, before he was fudged together with that guy Rodimus Prime killed in the UK book, Ferak was a blue attack-saucer, so I'd honestly be happier if he was a repaint of our latest Cosmos. The robot mode works, though.

Bumblevivisector wrote:
I'm not as obsessive as Saberblade, but I spent a good chunk of the '90s with no way to indulge in Transformers other than the Marvel books I'd found, and wished that its toyless characters would someday get their due justice in physical form.

What you're actually saying is that you don't care about the character. Fair enough, but when you expand that to an assumption that no one cares about them enough to warrant their ever getting a toy, that attitude leads down a slippery slope to GEEWUN, no matter what era of TFs you prefer. Myself, I'd seriously buy several Botcon sets of the Classics Starscream mold repainted into every last in-fiction background color scheme, with new names and personalities made up as they went along.

That said, before he was fudged together with that guy Rodimus Prime killed in the UK book, Ferak was a blue attack-saucer, so I'd honestly be happier if he was a repaint of our latest Cosmos. The robot mode works, though.

Alright, my point is this: (and you are right) I don't think Ferak is an Identifiable enough as a character to warrant a toy, much less an exclusive; he's generic, so generic he's made of two, the saucer and that guy rodimus killed. Now some generics might be cool, I like Macabre and I like Crosscut because of their goofy looks, and I think they warrant toys as they're distinctive enough. I do agree with you some obscure characters should see the light of day,i'd love a G1 octus, it's just that some characters are a little to obscure, and only a few people really know about them, or just aren't that special, ferak is a little bit of both in my opinion.

Also I think they should use Cosmos for Crosscut, I would say there's a better mold choice for ferak, but cyclonus has the robot mode silhouette, minus the little horns of course.

i think this is a digibash, like cannonball. i'll hold my judgement until real pics show up

SW's SilverHammer wrote:
Alright, my point is this: (and you are right) I don't think Ferak is an Identifiable enough as a character to warrant a toy, much less an exclusive; he's generic, so generic he's made of two, the saucer and that guy rodimus killed. Now some generics might be cool, I like Macabre and I like Crosscut because of their goofy looks, and I think they warrant toys as they're distinctive enough. I do agree with you some obscure characters should see the light of day,i'd love a G1 octus, it's just that some characters are a little to obscure, and only a few people really know about them, or just aren't that special, ferak is a little bit of both in my opinion.

But that's what makes him perfect for this type of set. It's a character that will only excite the type of collector that BotCon attracts - people who are so immersed in the lore that can get legitimately excited about this stuff. you're not and that's ok.

If the rest of the set plays to this pattern, it will be perfect. These are figures that can stand among a Classics collection, yet aren't necessary to complete it.

I really can't wait to see what's next. I'm hoping for Devcon to appear as a Knight.

This really reminds me of the oversized white g1 cyclonus I got a few years ago. Think there's a pic on the toy hell website.

This really reminds me of the oversized white g1 cyclonus I got a few years ago. Think there's a pic on the toy hell website.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I really hope they have at least 1 G1 mold in there...

What do you mean by this?

OK, I phrased it wrong. I would like them to use a mold based on a G1 character. I understand that that's what Ferak is, based on Cyclonus, right?

This is silly. Hasbro can take any old mold, change the dye color of the resin, give it some random name, call it an "exclusive", and fleece $40-80 from someone for a figure that was $10 at retail and probably about $2 at cost.

Of course, they are not holding a gun to your head either.