Buyer Beware: KO/ 3rd Party Fortress Maximus in the works

alternator77 wrote:this will be a tough sell

[DECEASED] wrote:wait-wait-wait-wait-wait... WHAAAAAAAAAT?!


Oh, it's a KO of the toy. I jumped to conclusions Office Space style. I envisioned a new classics styled Fort Max.

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GetRightRobot wrote:Is nothing sacred? Is there nothing money grabbers won't pump out to weasel their peace of the pie? I swear to God if this is a direct Knock Off I'm going to be thoroughly disappointed. Fort Max was my Holy Grail, and I had to work my butt off and save up to get him (and he is awesome), yet I feel like this will somehow steal my accolade's thunder.

GetRightRobot wrote:Is nothing sacred? Is there nothing money grabbers won't pump out to weasel their peace of the pie? I swear to God if this is a direct Knock Off I'm going to be thoroughly disappointed. Fort Max was my Holy Grail, and I had to work my butt off and save up to get him (and he is awesome), yet I feel like this will somehow steal my accolade's thunder.

deathy wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:Is nothing sacred? Is there nothing money grabbers won't pump out to weasel their peace of the pie? I swear to God if this is a direct Knock Off I'm going to be thoroughly disappointed. Fort Max was my Holy Grail, and I had to work my butt off and save up to get him (and he is awesome), yet I feel like this will somehow steal my accolade's thunder.

Personally I'd rather as many TF fans get the chance to enjoy the same toy i'm enjoying.

I honestly don't care about reissues or KO's ruining the secondary market or fans toy collections they don't plan on selling.

DMSL wrote:Now would be a good time for Hasbro/Takara to announce a re-issue of this behemoth.

DMSL wrote:Now would be a good time for Hasbro/Takara to announce a re-issue of this behemoth.

Treetop Maximus wrote:

DMSL wrote:Now would be a good time for Hasbro/Takara to announce a re-issue of this behemoth.

Hasbro will never do it because the figure smashes into a kajillion little pieces when you drop it. The government gets butthurt over shit like that. Let the plastic-eating kids die. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors. Kinda like G1 Megatron. Let the kids who take realistic toy guns outside get shot by police. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors.

El Duque wrote:

Treetop Maximus wrote:

DMSL wrote:Now would be a good time for Hasbro/Takara to announce a re-issue of this behemoth.

Hasbro will never do it because the figure smashes into a kajillion little pieces when you drop it. The government gets butthurt over shit like that. Let the plastic-eating kids die. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors. Kinda like G1 Megatron. Let the kids who take realistic toy guns outside get shot by police. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors.

They could easily release it Japan, which is where the release the Encore series anyway. Which we could in turn import thru BBTS, TFsource, etc. Just like Encore Megatron, they had to include that joke of an orange barrel plug but it happened none the less.

Treetop Maximus wrote:

El Duque wrote:

Treetop Maximus wrote:

DMSL wrote:Now would be a good time for Hasbro/Takara to announce a re-issue of this behemoth.

Hasbro will never do it because the figure smashes into a kajillion little pieces when you drop it. The government gets butthurt over shit like that. Let the plastic-eating kids die. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors. Kinda like G1 Megatron. Let the kids who take realistic toy guns outside get shot by police. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors.

They could easily release it Japan, which is where the release the Encore series anyway. Which we could in turn import thru BBTS, TFsource, etc. Just like Encore Megatron, they had to include that joke of an orange barrel plug but it happened none the less.

Well, yeah. TakaraTomy can do whatever the hell they want since Japan is the coolest place in the world regarding toy laws. But Hasbro can't do cool stuff like they do because of "child safety"...

Treetop Maximus wrote:

DMSL wrote:Now would be a good time for Hasbro/Takara to announce a re-issue of this behemoth.

Hasbro will never do it because the figure smashes into a kajillion little pieces when you drop it. The government gets butthurt over shit like that. Let the plastic-eating kids die. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors. Kinda like G1 Megatron. Let the kids who take realistic toy guns outside get shot by police. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors.

Autobot032 wrote:Do us a favor, don't breed. Let your end of the gene pool end with you.

It Is Him wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Do us a favor, don't breed. Let your end of the gene pool end with you.

Why do you have to be like that?

deathy wrote:

Treetop Maximus wrote:

El Duque wrote:

Treetop Maximus wrote:

DMSL wrote:Now would be a good time for Hasbro/Takara to announce a re-issue of this behemoth.

Hasbro will never do it because the figure smashes into a kajillion little pieces when you drop it. The government gets butthurt over shit like that. Let the plastic-eating kids die. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors. Kinda like G1 Megatron. Let the kids who take realistic toy guns outside get shot by police. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors.

They could easily release it Japan, which is where the release the Encore series anyway. Which we could in turn import thru BBTS, TFsource, etc. Just like Encore Megatron, they had to include that joke of an orange barrel plug but it happened none the less.

Well, yeah. TakaraTomy can do whatever the hell they want since Japan is the coolest place in the world regarding toy laws. But Hasbro can't do cool stuff like they do because of "child safety"...

I scored a factory sealed Brave max in 2001 for under $100 at imageanime.com in NYC. since i live in NYC. I took a train to NYC image animae & paid zero shipping fees.

Their is honestly no need for hasbro to reissue fort max. this is the internet age & if takara reissues issues fort max,then this will be the way to buy a reissue fort max.

Personally I had 2 (1987 hasbro fort max & CR Brave max) fort max's & all they did was stay in storage boxes & later got sold because I didn't want them anymore.

From my persepective the fort max mold is a bit too overly kiddie for my taste. it's a over sized play set that takes up too much room in storage or on display shelves.

I honestly view the fort max toy mold the same way I view Beasrmachines supreme sized cheetor. they both look like they were created as the ultimate christmas gift to give kids under 6 years of age. they were made super simple to transformer,sculpted for kids taste,super big,super heavy to cater towards younger kids under 6 years of age.

I just prefer my TF toys in my TF toy collection to evoke & look like they were made for teenagers or adult fans.

alternator77 wrote:

deathy wrote:

Treetop Maximus wrote:

El Duque wrote:

Treetop Maximus wrote:

DMSL wrote:Now would be a good time for Hasbro/Takara to announce a re-issue of this behemoth.

Hasbro will never do it because the figure smashes into a kajillion little pieces when you drop it. The government gets butthurt over shit like that. Let the plastic-eating kids die. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors. Kinda like G1 Megatron. Let the kids who take realistic toy guns outside get shot by police. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors.

They could easily release it Japan, which is where the release the Encore series anyway. Which we could in turn import thru BBTS, TFsource, etc. Just like Encore Megatron, they had to include that joke of an orange barrel plug but it happened none the less.

Well, yeah. TakaraTomy can do whatever the hell they want since Japan is the coolest place in the world regarding toy laws. But Hasbro can't do cool stuff like they do because of "child safety"...

I scored a factory sealed Brave max in 2001 for under $100 at imageanime.com in NYC. since i live in NYC. I took a train to NYC image animae & paid zero shipping fees.

Their is honestly no need for hasbro to reissue fort max. this is the internet age & if takara reissues issues fort max,then this will be the way to buy a reissue fort max.

Personally I had 2 (1987 hasbro fort max & CR Brave max) fort max's & all they did was stay in storage boxes & later got sold because I didn't want them anymore.

From my persepective the fort max mold is a bit too overly kiddie for my taste. it's a over sized play set that takes up too much room in storage or on display shelves.

I honestly view the fort max toy mold the same way I view Beasrmachines supreme sized cheetor. they both look like they were created as the ultimate christmas gift to give kids under 6 years of age. they were made super simple to transformer,sculpted for kids taste,super big,super heavy to cater towards younger kids under 6 years of age.

I just prefer my TF toys in my TF toy collection to evoke & look like they were made for teenagers or adult fans.

OK im going to call BS deathy 100 for brave max sure yeah right ive shopped there and know the guy who owns it and there is no way in hell hed sell a bravemax for a hundred. show me a reciept and then i might believe you. even back then he was wort much more than that.

anyway as far as a ko the reason i call it a hard sell is simple 300-400 for a 2ft ko alright maybe but i just dont see the quality being that great and if they plan on keeping prices reasonable they will be downsizing it.

Rated X wrote:If I may inject my two cents into this. It's no secret I support KO's to the fullest. (no disrespect to aybody who doesnt) One issue I have is that the creation of e-bay has doubled and tripled the price of what many scarce collectibles in general are worth. An original Fort Max should have never reached a $700-900 value price. As with many e-bay listed items, you are not paying for what the figure is really worth. You are paying a comparison of what some collector that lives in the middle of nowhere is willing to pay out of desparation. In other words, if a few rich princes from the middle east decide to bid $2000 on Fort Max figures, then $2000 becomes the new value of Fort Max because they just drove up the price. Then the rest of the sellers raise their price based on speculation that they can make $2000 as well. So if you are a middle class income collector who worked your a** off to afford an original Fort Max at inflated rich collector prices, you got my respect. I commend you for finding your holy grail. However, I also feel you are a victim of an unfair system of price inflation. This is why I endorse KO's. They even the playing field. Especially the quality KO's from CHMS and Kold. They give anal e-bay sellers a reality check and encourage them to lower their prices to more respectable ones. The sellers who dont just continue to have their items collect dust on e-bay with the "buy it now" option. And those prices are not the real value in my opinion. They are just shark bait thrown in the water to catch a big fish. Some will bite, others wont. Im sure a few people will agree with me and some will disagree and trash talk my opinions. Go for it, I gotta roll out to work now.

It Is Him wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Do us a favor, don't breed. Let your end of the gene pool end with you.

Why do you have to be like that?

Flux Convoy wrote:

It Is Him wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Do us a favor, don't breed. Let your end of the gene pool end with you.

Why do you have to be like that?

No kidding. Not to jump all over ya but what's up with the attacks lately? First it was likening me to Hitler, now this guy. Sure, his comments could have been thought out better but come on man. We're talking about toys. Get a handle on it.

Xephon0930 wrote:Godammit!!! I just want to know if this rendition of Maximus is going to be like Maketoys Devastator,Protector and even Head Robots in quality with a reasonable and remarkable size to boot. I just want a Fortress Maximus that is worth bragging about in all 3 modes. That with the leaps in toy engineering.

Xephon0930 wrote:Beats the alternative where you spend 800 on average with little to no guarantee if all the parts are there.

GetRightRobot wrote:

Rated X wrote:If I may inject my two cents into this. It's no secret I support KO's to the fullest. (no disrespect to aybody who doesnt) One issue I have is that the creation of e-bay has doubled and tripled the price of what many scarce collectibles in general are worth. An original Fort Max should have never reached a $700-900 value price. As with many e-bay listed items, you are not paying for what the figure is really worth. You are paying a comparison of what some collector that lives in the middle of nowhere is willing to pay out of desparation. In other words, if a few rich princes from the middle east decide to bid $2000 on Fort Max figures, then $2000 becomes the new value of Fort Max because they just drove up the price. Then the rest of the sellers raise their price based on speculation that they can make $2000 as well. So if you are a middle class income collector who worked your a** off to afford an original Fort Max at inflated rich collector prices, you got my respect. I commend you for finding your holy grail. However, I also feel you are a victim of an unfair system of price inflation. This is why I endorse KO's. They even the playing field. Especially the quality KO's from CHMS and Kold. They give anal e-bay sellers a reality check and encourage them to lower their prices to more respectable ones. The sellers who dont just continue to have their items collect dust on e-bay with the "buy it now" option. And those prices are not the real value in my opinion. They are just shark bait thrown in the water to catch a big fish. Some will bite, others wont. Im sure a few people will agree with me and some will disagree and trash talk my opinions. Go for it, I gotta roll out to work now.

Ok, I have the Kold Blue Convoy, to go with my DIA commander, I like it. I have no problems with a KO in general, however, if HAS/Tak released a Blue Classics Prime, I have no doubts it would be of a higher quality. As far as value, it's like this Rated X: Transformers are only worth the market will yield. If some shmuck scalper tries to sell a figure for 10grand he's not going to sell it. If he sells a figure for something someone is willing to pay, then that is the value of that figure at that time. The is no law or rule other than what SOMEONE (including idiots) is willing to pay. For me, personally, in my collection, a Knock Off holy grail is redundant. Lets take Henkei Wildrider. I want one sure. I'm not gonna pay $500 bucks, so a Knockoff will suffice. It will do. In this case, in my experience, IMO, for me, personally, a milestone piece like Max as a KO is pointless. Like getting a fake Michael Jordan rookie card signed by a homeless man on the street. It looks right, it feels right and it only cost you a quarter, but is it the same?

funeralthirst7 wrote:This is forcing me to rethink my rule about knock-offs. I don't buy knock-offs. Never have and said I never will.But now I find myself debating on whether or not to suspend that rule and buy a high quality ko of figures with prohibitive ebay costs that will never be re-issued and also including some of the Japanese exclusives (I'm looking at you Overlord). I guess I'll have to wait and see some of the reviews before I even consider it.

Autobot032 wrote:When I got mad at you, I had every right to be because you sat on your high horse and flung stones at people, basically. Likening you to Hitler was just to be on your level when you made those comments.

Flux Convoy wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:When I got mad at you, I had every right to be because you sat on your high horse and flung stones at people, basically. Likening you to Hitler was just to be on your level when you made those comments.

No, I stated how I felt on a subject. I didn't take it out on you or anyone else personally and I didn't take it that way in any of the responses but yours. Which was in fact a personal attack which we have rules against. You simply got offended by something I said and took it personally. You can defend how you feel about something but it doesn't necessarily make you correct. Being on my level would be discussing things in a civil tone, not hurling insults and acting generally childish because not everyone agrees with you.

Autobot032 wrote:

Treetop Maximus wrote:

DMSL wrote:Now would be a good time for Hasbro/Takara to announce a re-issue of this behemoth.

Hasbro will never do it because the figure smashes into a kajillion little pieces when you drop it. The government gets butthurt over shit like that. Let the plastic-eating kids die. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors. Kinda like G1 Megatron. Let the kids who take realistic toy guns outside get shot by police. That's what they get for being stupid. No need to punish collectors.

Let the plastic eating kids die? That's what they get for being stupid?

Do you ever listen to yourself, or stop and think before you press the submit button?

Do us a favor, don't breed. Let your end of the gene pool end with you.