"Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 Predacon General Cicadacon Toy Revealed

Me likey. Its nice to have a break from the standard car molds.

OH, oh, right, the color scheme from The Agenda. For a second I thought he was supposed to be all bloody as a sort of Halloween gag.

I guess making a jet the color of the toy would look too much like Armada Thrust. Though in this scheme, his jet mode looks like it's supposed to be yet another Armada Starscream, which could be fixed by changing the yellow bits to a dash of his original green.

Bumblevivisector wrote:OH, oh, right, the color scheme from The Agenda. For a second I thought he was supposed to be all bloody as a sort of Halloween gag.

I guess making a jet the color of the toy would look too much like Armada Thrust. Though in this scheme, his jet mode looks like it's supposed to be yet another Armada Starscream, which could be fixed by changing the yellow bits to a dash of his original green.

Then he would look like Christmas colors.

They should've seen if they could cast the wings in translucent plastic and then paint over them, similar to their machine wars skywarp.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:They should've seen if they could cast the wings in translucent plastic and then paint over them, similar to their machine wars skywarp.

I'd... rather we not risk another incident like that again.

I might just have to get this set. I am really liking it and the fact that I have none of these characters and they combine is making it good for me. Not too sure how I'll afford it (maybe my tax return will be in), and more importantly I cannot go so it would be through other sources, so that's just pricey

The two red limbs look nice. And Ravage makes a nice black limb for contrast. If only there was some other black and gray assassin employed by the Tripredacus Council... Hmm... That would have made a nice counterpoint - a symmetrically colored combiner. And we wouldn't have ended up with two Tarantulas figures back to back. If only there was someone that FunPub could have made a figure of...*cough*Onyx Primal*cough*

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:They should've seen if they could cast the wings in translucent plastic and then paint over them, similar to their machine wars skywarp.

I'd... rather we not risk another incident like that again.

How so? I never heard anything bad happening to the figure. Also if this an aesthetic thing, deco-ed clear wings on a jet character that eventually becomes a bug might not be bad.

Until something better comes around, I may use this as Pre-BW Terrorsaur for the time being.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:They should've seen if they could cast the wings in translucent plastic and then paint over them, similar to their machine wars skywarp.

I'd... rather we not risk another incident like that again.

How so? I never heard anything bad happening to the figure. Also if this an aesthetic thing, deco-ed clear wings on a jet character that eventually becomes a bug might not be bad.

The specific areas of Skywarp's wings that were supposed to represent his teleporting ability (as in, these parts were supposed to be fully translucent with no paint apps) got painted over in solid white, ruining the effect.

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:They should've seen if they could cast the wings in translucent plastic and then paint over them, similar to their machine wars skywarp.

I'd... rather we not risk another incident like that again.

How so? I never heard anything bad happening to the figure. Also if this an aesthetic thing, deco-ed clear wings on a jet character that eventually becomes a bug might not be bad.

The specific areas of Skywarp's wings that were supposed to represent his teleporting ability (as in, these parts were supposed to be fully translucent with no paint apps) got painted over in solid white, ruining the effect.

Oh, see what I was thinking was cast the wings in translucent plastic and adding the line work of the bug wings to them.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:They should've seen if they could cast the wings in translucent plastic and then paint over them, similar to their machine wars skywarp.

I'd... rather we not risk another incident like that again.

How so? I never heard anything bad happening to the figure. Also if this an aesthetic thing, deco-ed clear wings on a jet character that eventually becomes a bug might not be bad.

The specific areas of Skywarp's wings that were supposed to represent his teleporting ability (as in, these parts were supposed to be fully translucent with no paint apps) got painted over in solid white, ruining the effect.

Oh, see what I was thinking was cast the wings in translucent plastic and adding the line work of the bug wings to them.

Yeah, but, with what happened last time they tried "translucent wings with paint pattern" I'd rather they not risk making something go wrong again (as so recently happened with the black helmet sides of everyone's TFSS G2 Starscream).

Plus, there's already a red and silver deco on the undersides of the wings, so that might show through the translucent topsides of the wings, making them look more red than clear.

Ravage was, at best tolerable.
Tarantulas was, at best interesting.
Ram horn was, at best awesome.
Cicadacon is at best, underwhelming.
*because of Windsweeper*

Ya know, I've leveled my well-founded complaints, but, I just can't do it for this guy, every time I scroll down, I just go: "D@yum those wing decals"

Hellscream9999 wrote:Ya know, I've leveled my well-founded complaints, but, I just can't do it for this guy, every time I scroll down, I just go: "D@yum those wing decals"

Yea, I'm pretty happy with this guy. The only thing I would have wanted to see is a bit of black line detail to break up the face. That's it.

Cicadacon looks very good, but I think the best figure in the box set is Tarantulas. I've always loved the Rook mold, so any use of it is good in my book.

Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:Cicadacon looks very good, but I think the best figure in the box set is Tarantulas. I've always loved the Rook mold, so any use of it is good in my book.

He's my favorite too but I feel that he's the only one who doesn't really fit as far as color goes. All the others are red black and silver and then there's me. neon green and purple.

So first they mistake the red light illuminating the Council as their actual colours (as opposed to, you know, colouring them like the actual toys). And now, as one of their special, limited edition convention exclusives, they give us...a straight redeco with absolutely no retooling whatsoever.

AAAAND FUNPUB DROPS THE BALL AGAIN

Delta Magnus wrote:So first they mistake the red light illuminating the Council as their actual colours (as opposed to, you know, colouring them like the actual toys). And now, as one of their special, limited edition convention exclusives, they give us...a straight redeco with absolutely no retooling whatsoever.

AAAAND FUNPUB DROPS THE BALL AGAIN

Well, what were you expecting, a drill gun? They said they were going to give us 5 new heads, so unless you're willing to skip the combiner head, one of them was always going to have a normal head

Besides, there's not much precedent (like, none at all actually to my knowledge) of them doing any re-tooling besides heads, so Ramhorns drill would be a first.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:So first they mistake the red light illuminating the Council as their actual colours (as opposed to, you know, colouring them like the actual toys). And now, as one of their special, limited edition convention exclusives, they give us...a straight redeco with absolutely no retooling whatsoever.

AAAAND FUNPUB DROPS THE BALL AGAIN

Well, what were you expecting, a drill gun? They said they were going to give us 5 new heads, so unless you're willing to skip the combiner head, one of them was always going to have a normal head

Besides, there's not much precedent (like, none at all actually to my knowledge) of them doing any re-tooling besides heads, so Ramhorns drill would be a first.

The drill isn't from Fun Pub. It's believed to be preexisting tooling from Hasbro/Takara that hasn't been used yet.

In the past, Fun Pub has retooled new wings for BotCon 2007 Thrust, and a new neck piece for BotCon 2014 Scorponok. But other than those, it's mostly been new heads.

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:So first they mistake the red light illuminating the Council as their actual colours (as opposed to, you know, colouring them like the actual toys). And now, as one of their special, limited edition convention exclusives, they give us...a straight redeco with absolutely no retooling whatsoever.

AAAAND FUNPUB DROPS THE BALL AGAIN

Well, what were you expecting, a drill gun? They said they were going to give us 5 new heads, so unless you're willing to skip the combiner head, one of them was always going to have a normal head

Besides, there's not much precedent (like, none at all actually to my knowledge) of them doing any re-tooling besides heads, so Ramhorns drill would be a first.

The drill isn't from Fun Pub. It's believed to be preexisting tooling from Hasbro/Takara that hasn't been used yet.

In the past, Fun Pub has retooled new wings for BotCon 2007 Thrust, and a new neck piece for BotCon 2014 Scorponok. But other than those, it's mostly been new heads.

I buy that, trust has/tak to have thought ahead on the technobots;

But, yeah, no real precedent for new parts aside from heads;

Should really reign in those expectations

Delta Magnus wrote:So first they mistake the red light illuminating the Council as their actual colours (as opposed to, you know, colouring them like the actual toys). And now, as one of their special, limited edition convention exclusives, they give us...a straight redeco with absolutely no retooling whatsoever.

AAAAND FUNPUB DROPS THE BALL AGAIN

You do know that in the cartoon it was their bodies that glowed red when the meeting began, right? We see them enter the room colored gray, and when they each turn on a red light on the table, their bodies physically glow red upon their touching the table lights. The lights on the table aren't illuminating the three as we see the bright overhead white light shine directly on Ram Horn and Sea Clamp, revealing them to still be red when exposed to that much brighter light than the little lights on the table. In short, the three are Color Changers.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:So first they mistake the red light illuminating the Council as their actual colours (as opposed to, you know, colouring them like the actual toys). And now, as one of their special, limited edition convention exclusives, they give us...a straight redeco with absolutely no retooling whatsoever.

AAAAND FUNPUB DROPS THE BALL AGAIN

Well, what were you expecting, a drill gun? They said they were going to give us 5 new heads, so unless you're willing to skip the combiner head, one of them was always going to have a normal head

Besides, there's not much precedent (like, none at all actually to my knowledge) of them doing any re-tooling besides heads, so Ramhorns drill would be a first.

The drill isn't from Fun Pub. It's believed to be preexisting tooling from Hasbro/Takara that hasn't been used yet.

In the past, Fun Pub has retooled new wings for BotCon 2007 Thrust, and a new neck piece for BotCon 2014 Scorponok. But other than those, it's mostly been new heads.

I buy that, trust has/tak to have thought ahead on the technobots;

But, yeah, no real precedent for new parts aside from heads;

Should really reign in those expectations

Let us not forget that there are several toys that are just straight repaints. They cannot afford to do full on retools. Last year Packrat was a straight redeco as was Oilmaster without his shell.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:So first they mistake the red light illuminating the Council as their actual colours (as opposed to, you know, colouring them like the actual toys). And now, as one of their special, limited edition convention exclusives, they give us...a straight redeco with absolutely no retooling whatsoever.

AAAAND FUNPUB DROPS THE BALL AGAIN

Well, what were you expecting, a drill gun? They said they were going to give us 5 new heads, so unless you're willing to skip the combiner head, one of them was always going to have a normal head

Besides, there's not much precedent (like, none at all actually to my knowledge) of them doing any re-tooling besides heads, so Ramhorns drill would be a first.

The drill isn't from Fun Pub. It's believed to be preexisting tooling from Hasbro/Takara that hasn't been used yet.

In the past, Fun Pub has retooled new wings for BotCon 2007 Thrust, and a new neck piece for BotCon 2014 Scorponok. But other than those, it's mostly been new heads.

I buy that, trust has/tak to have thought ahead on the technobots;

But, yeah, no real precedent for new parts aside from heads;

Should really reign in those expectations

Let us not forget that there are several toys that are just straight repaints. They cannot afford to do full on retools. Last year Packrat was a straight redeco as was Oilmaster without his shell.

Exactly, the point is: there are no re-toolings, reign in your expectations

Fun Pub has fixed the typo name in the image.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:So first they mistake the red light illuminating the Council as their actual colours (as opposed to, you know, colouring them like the actual toys). And now, as one of their special, limited edition convention exclusives, they give us...a straight redeco with absolutely no retooling whatsoever.

AAAAND FUNPUB DROPS THE BALL AGAIN

Well, what were you expecting, a drill gun? They said they were going to give us 5 new heads, so unless you're willing to skip the combiner head, one of them was always going to have a normal head

Besides, there's not much precedent (like, none at all actually to my knowledge) of them doing any re-tooling besides heads, so Ramhorns drill would be a first.

The drill isn't from Fun Pub. It's believed to be preexisting tooling from Hasbro/Takara that hasn't been used yet.

In the past, Fun Pub has retooled new wings for BotCon 2007 Thrust, and a new neck piece for BotCon 2014 Scorponok. But other than those, it's mostly been new heads.

I buy that, trust has/tak to have thought ahead on the technobots;

But, yeah, no real precedent for new parts aside from heads;

Should really reign in those expectations

Let us not forget that there are several toys that are just straight repaints. They cannot afford to do full on retools. Last year Packrat was a straight redeco as was Oilmaster without his shell.

Exactly, the point is: there are no re-toolings, reign in your expectations

But this one repaint still does look very good though. Love the paint on the wings

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:So first they mistake the red light illuminating the Council as their actual colours (as opposed to, you know, colouring them like the actual toys). And now, as one of their special, limited edition convention exclusives, they give us...a straight redeco with absolutely no retooling whatsoever.

AAAAND FUNPUB DROPS THE BALL AGAIN

Well, what were you expecting, a drill gun? They said they were going to give us 5 new heads, so unless you're willing to skip the combiner head, one of them was always going to have a normal head

Besides, there's not much precedent (like, none at all actually to my knowledge) of them doing any re-tooling besides heads, so Ramhorns drill would be a first.

The drill isn't from Fun Pub. It's believed to be preexisting tooling from Hasbro/Takara that hasn't been used yet.

In the past, Fun Pub has retooled new wings for BotCon 2007 Thrust, and a new neck piece for BotCon 2014 Scorponok. But other than those, it's mostly been new heads.

I buy that, trust has/tak to have thought ahead on the technobots;

But, yeah, no real precedent for new parts aside from heads;

Should really reign in those expectations

Let us not forget that there are several toys that are just straight repaints. They cannot afford to do full on retools. Last year Packrat was a straight redeco as was Oilmaster without his shell.

Exactly, the point is: there are no re-toolings, reign in your expectations

But this one repaint still does look very good though. Love the paint on the wings

The wings look great, everything else is lost in the red, so, not really.

Actually, I think these guys having the same red color scheme may be what wins me over. That's been a huge complaint with combiners, box sets, etc. They don't look like an integrated, coherent design.

But these three red guys will display really really well together. I hope they do more unified color schemes in the future... Hasbro and Takara included.

gothsaurus wrote:Actually, I think these guys having the same red color scheme may be what wins me over. That's been a huge complaint with combiners, box sets, etc. They don't look like an integrated, coherent design.

But these three red guys will display really really well together. I hope they do more unified color schemes in the future... Hasbro and Takara included.

This is the first time in a while that I've seen someone praise a combiner for having a coherent color scheme. That Victorion does is among the many complaints people have about her deco.

Yeah, even though the fans chose the scheme... I still think Victorion could have been so much better in non-Christmas colors. Certainly not Hasbro's fault. I think the only thing Hasbro can do to salvage that situation is to ... actually....sell... Victorion.... at... Christmas.

But yeah, a good integrated color scheme can do wonders for a combiner. I think God Neptune is the best example of a winning, integrated combiner scheme out there. (Aside from Devastator, of course.) There are a number of jewel-tone accent colors to give each toy a little different personality (gold, copper, dark teal), but there is an overall white and gray unified primary scheme. Looks great combined and split up. You can tell they are a team.

Actually thinking back, ALL of the seacon variants have had pretty nicely integrated color schemes... right down to the recent Kabaya one.

Superion also a great example — sporting an almost monochromatic red scheme, though there are a few gold accents. Rail Racer also fantastic in blue and white. PowerCore dino combiner also integrated nicely. (I thought those were all very under-appreciated. Very cheap and fun sets. Great bang for the buck.)

Hope Hasbro is reading this. There have been a few shining examples of a great color scheme out of a LOAD of hodgepodge looking mismatched frankensteins.

So what's your prediction for Sea Clamp?

Bed Bugs wrote:So what's your prediction for Sea Clamp?

Mine's less of a prediction but more of a preference: Hot Spot. For five reasons.

1. A fire truck and a lobster are both affiliated with water.

2. The Hot Spot mold has thin legs and broad shoulders, much like what Sea Clamp's original toy had.

3. Using the Hot Spot mold and not the Onslaught version of the mold would keep it from being too similar to the TFSS 4.0 Thunder Mayhem combiner that uses the Onslaught torso.

4. I really don't think any of the torso molds are appropriate enough matches for Sea Clamp, but the Hot Spot mold seems to be the least-inappropriate for the three reasons given above, for the one reason I'm about to give below, and because I really don't see the Optimus/Motormaster mold working for Sea Clamp very well, nor the Silverbolt/Cyclonus mold (Sky Lynx wouldn't be available for the Club to use just yet).

5. The Hot Spot mold can do this:




Just fold down the ladder to make it less scorpion-like and more lobster-like.

Suddenly I want to see Hotspot redone into Scorponok. Make Sea Clamp somebody else.

gothsaurus wrote:Actually, I think these guys having the same red color scheme may be what wins me over. That's been a huge complaint with combiners, box sets, etc. They don't look like an integrated, coherent design.

But these three red guys will display really really well together. I hope they do more unified color schemes in the future... Hasbro and Takara included.

That's why I really like Victorion with the matching scheme and the Aerielbots and protectobots all have fairly uniform white and red decos (with blue thrown in for Defensor). Makes them look pretty slick and uniform

Sabrblade wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:Actually, I think these guys having the same red color scheme may be what wins me over. That's been a huge complaint with combiners, box sets, etc. They don't look like an integrated, coherent design.

But these three red guys will display really really well together. I hope they do more unified color schemes in the future... Hasbro and Takara included.

This is the first time in a while that I've seen someone praise a combiner for having a coherent color scheme. That Victorion does is among the many complaints people have about her deco.

I too like it, but the mock-up paint lost points for being garish, almost neon versions of the color (at least the pics make it seem that way, even if it isn't) and the scheme overall really could use a tertiary color to help break up the red and teal

Actually, I'm kind of excited about Ramhorn, although I won't get the set just for him. I will get the Nosecone repaint, however, if they make it. Cicadacon looks decent; love the design on the wings.

Exactly how do you pronounce Cicadacon?

Kikadacon?, Kisadacon? Sisadacon? Sikadacon?

DeadCaL wrote:Exactly how do you pronounce Cicadacon?

Kikadacon?, Kisadacon? Sisadacon? Sikadacon?

"Sih-kay-duh-con" (as in "cicada + con").

Wow. This guy would've made a great Machine Wars Megatron.

Maybe something for the Subscription Service in the future...

Henry921 wrote:Wow. This guy would've made a great Machine Wars Megatron.

Maybe something for the Subscription Service in the future...

Skydive's wings are more akin to those of MW Skywarp/Thundercracker. Perhaps Air Raid or Firefly would have fit better for MW Megatron/Megaplex.

I still think it's not a coincidence that David Kaye is coming to Botcon this year and that prototype of FOC Grimlock with the Beast Wars Megatron hasn't been released.

Totally going to be in one of the Souvenir Sets. I guarantee it. It'll sport the Transmetal Paint Job too, just like Tarantulas.

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:Wow. This guy would've made a great Machine Wars Megatron.

Maybe something for the Subscription Service in the future...

Skydive's wings are more akin to those of MW Skywarp/Thundercracker. Perhaps Air Raid or Firefly would have fit better for MW Megatron/Megaplex.

Oh, but the headsculpt. In a solid color it looks very Megatron-ish.

I probably never noticed before because my Skydive spends so much time as a leg.

Bed Bugs wrote:I still think it's not a coincidence that David Kaye is coming to Botcon this year and that prototype of FOC Grimlock with the Beast Wars Megatron hasn't been released.

Totally going to be in one of the Souvenir Sets. I guarantee it. It'll sport the Transmetal Paint Job too, just like Tarantulas.

Not unless this is another pre-beast set like 2006 was. No beast modes for the show characters.

And if it's a story about the Council, don't expect to see Megatron either. He was beneath them. A lowlife criminal thug, far from a politician.

Sabrblade wrote:

Bed Bugs wrote:I still think it's not a coincidence that David Kaye is coming to Botcon this year and that prototype of FOC Grimlock with the Beast Wars Megatron hasn't been released.

Totally going to be in one of the Souvenir Sets. I guarantee it. It'll sport the Transmetal Paint Job too, just like Tarantulas.

Not unless this is another pre-beast set like 2006 was. No beast modes for the show characters.

And if it's a story about the Council, don't expect to see Megatron either. He was beneath them. A lowlife criminal thug, far from a politician.

Well, not entirely. He was the protege of Cryotek, the most notorious criminal on Cybertron. Before that he was apparently a field commander and had a fight with another of the Council's agents, Magmatron, so presumably they were aware he had some talent.

They also acknowledge Megatron as "brilliant" during the Agenda, so he must've done something prior to stealing the golden disk that impressed them.

Could simply be a side two-pack... out of the storyline and continuity.

Henry921 wrote:Well, not entirely. He was the protege of Cryotek, the most notorious criminal on Cybertron. Before that he was apparently a field commander and had a fight with another of the Council's agents, Magmatron, so presumably they were aware he had some talent.

That sounds like a blending of continuities since the Cryotek thing is from the 3H/Fun Pub fiction (which has Magmatron as a good guy Dinobot) while the Magmatron thing is from IDW's Beast Era fiction (which excised Cryotek from Megatron's backstory).

Henry921 wrote:They also acknowledge Megatron as "brilliant" during the Agenda, so he must've done something prior to stealing the golden disk that impressed them.

I took their acknowledging his brilliance being in regards to his successful theft of the disk itself.

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:They also acknowledge Megatron as "brilliant" during the Agenda, so he must've done something prior to stealing the golden disk that impressed them.

I took their acknowledging his brilliance being in regards to his successful theft of the disk itself.

Even so, they did acknowledge it, and if he did take it and they were aware of the ramifications of it, then they realized how dangerous he could be, let alone his name and where it came from

Sabrblade wrote:

Bed Bugs wrote:I still think it's not a coincidence that David Kaye is coming to Botcon this year and that prototype of FOC Grimlock with the Beast Wars Megatron hasn't been released.

Totally going to be in one of the Souvenir Sets. I guarantee it. It'll sport the Transmetal Paint Job too, just like Tarantulas.

Not unless this is another pre-beast set like 2006 was. No beast modes for the show characters.

And if it's a story about the Council, don't expect to see Megatron either. He was beneath them. A lowlife criminal thug, far from a politician.

Considering Tarantulas and Ravage both died in Beast Wars, it's logical to assume that Botcon 2016's story takes place BEFORE Botcon 2006's.

It's not that far of a stretch to assume that some Maximals and Predacons may have robotic (G1) beast modes. You're also forgetting that Tarantulas was put into Megatron's crew as a spy for the Council. This story is probably going to establish how Tarantulas infiltrated Megatron's crew in the first place. So even though he was a criminal thug, the connection is still there and makes sense to show its establishment.

It's because of the fiction, the mold still being unused and existing, and David Kaye coming as a guest that it almost has to happen. Plus Fun Pub knows Megatron will sell, even if it is a mold that people knock like FOC Grimlock.

Bed Bugs wrote:Considering Tarantulas and Ravage both died in Beast Wars, it's logical to assume that Botcon 2016's story takes place BEFORE Botcon 2006's.

There was no question of that.

Bed Bugs wrote:It's not that far of a stretch to assume that some Maximals and Predacons may have robotic (G1) beast modes. You're also forgetting that Tarantulas was put into Megatron's crew as a spy for the Council. This story is probably going to establish how Tarantulas infiltrated Megatron's crew in the first place. So even though he was a criminal thug, the connection is still there and makes sense to show its establishment.

You're point being...?

Bed Bugs wrote:It's because of the fiction, the mold still being unused and existing, and David Kaye coming as a guest that it almost has to happen. Plus Fun Pub knows Megatron will sell, even if it is a mold that people knock like FOC Grimlock.

Or, David Kaye's coming because of the anniversary (as is Alec Willows) and because he tends to be an easy-to-get guest for BotCon (as demonstrated by how frequent his BotCon appearances have been in recent years when his characters were of little importance to those years).

Why, BotCon 2012 had both Garry Chalk and David Kaye as guests in honor of the 10th anniversary of Armada, yet that year saw no Armada Optimus or Megatron toys (let alone any Armada homages).

At best, what we might get (that's related to David Kaye's appearance) is a BW-themed live script reading should any other BW cast members get announced as convention guests.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:They also acknowledge Megatron as "brilliant" during the Agenda, so he must've done something prior to stealing the golden disk that impressed them.

I took their acknowledging his brilliance being in regards to his successful theft of the disk itself.

Even so, they did acknowledge it, and if he did take it and they were aware of the ramifications of it, then they realized how dangerous he could be, let alone his name and where it came from

I'm sure they knew of it on some level b/c in season 3 tarantulus tries on multiple occasions to screw with the timeline siting that he and the council would be safe from the timestorm wiping out the max/preds b/c he and the council have a different ancestor (Unicron?)

Plus Megatron was absolutely brilliant, he played everyone like pawns in a d=game of chess throughout the show. Even if all it was was the understanding of how everyone would respond to things, or knowing how everyone worked, that still would have made him a tactical genius on the flied of battle.