IDW The Transformers #49 Review

CombaticonsCombine? wrote:I don't know why, but I really liked seeing Soundwave losing his cool. He just had his dreams of a peaceful Deceptifuture smashed, and he's ready to fight for it.

Randomhero wrote:I very disagree I really liked this issue. It wasn't really a conclusion,! it really felt like the first half of a maxi-series and it kinda is. It didn't conclude anything it just built up and I'm pumped for All Hail Optimus now. Personally I felt it was a solid issue that was paced fine.

CombaticonsCombine? wrote:A little confused seeing Frenzy and Rumble working with Galvatron against Soundwave's ideals, but they haven't really been as associated with 'Wave in this universe, have they?

Genericon #378 wrote:Come on, IDW! Why do you guys keep killing all the cool characters? Trailbreaker, Hardhead, Sideswipe, and, for the love of god, SWINDLE! You guys **** killed Swindle! Have you seen the reaction to these deaths? These are beloved characters we're talking about.

Genericon #378 wrote:Come on, IDW! Why do you guys keep killing all the cool characters? Trailbreaker, Hardhead, Sideswipe, and, for the love of god, SWINDLE! You guys **** killed Swindle! Have you seen the reaction to these deaths? These are beloved characters we're talking about.

Va'al wrote:

CombaticonsCombine? wrote:I don't know why, but I really liked seeing Soundwave losing his cool. He just had his dreams of a peaceful Deceptifuture smashed, and he's ready to fight for it.

Same here. I love Barber's Soundwave. I really do, and I really feel for the guy.

Randomhero wrote:I very disagree I really liked this issue. It wasn't really a conclusion,! it really felt like the first half of a maxi-series and it kinda is. It didn't conclude anything it just built up and I'm pumped for All Hail Optimus now. Personally I felt it was a solid issue that was paced fine.

That's obviously fine, we are allowed to disagree!

I just came away from my first read with '..is that it?', the second as 'Well, meh' and just a sense of growing frustration at the condensed version of a story that feels like getting to a point and sort of spilling part of its contents as it skips ahead. I am looking forward to AHO, but not because this issue built it up for me.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Swindle has to live so they can form Bruticus (which Windblade #7 strongly implied was going to happen) and I really am hoping Sideswipe lives. Trailbreaker is definite dead cause his brain was crushed and I don't get Hardhead's death: Cyclonus and him were both ex-DU, and Cyclonus survived having his shield destroyed, but Hardhead disintegrated. I don't get that (some explain please?)

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Swindle has to live so they can form Bruticus (which Windblade #7 strongly implied was going to happen) and I really am hoping Sideswipe lives. Trailbreaker is definite dead cause his brain was crushed and I don't get Hardhead's death: Cyclonus and him were both ex-DU, and Cyclonus survived having his shield destroyed, but Hardhead disintegrated. I don't get that (some explain please?)

-COUGH STILL A BRIEFCASE WITH PARADOX LOCKS IN PLAY COUGH-

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Swindle has to live so they can form Bruticus (which Windblade #7 strongly implied was going to happen) and I really am hoping Sideswipe lives. Trailbreaker is definite dead cause his brain was crushed and I don't get Hardhead's death: Cyclonus and him were both ex-DU, and Cyclonus survived having his shield destroyed, but Hardhead disintegrated. I don't get that (some explain please?)

-COUGH STILL A BRIEFCASE WITH PARADOX LOCKS IN PLAY COUGH-

Forgot about that. Interesting...

Still, my question stands: why did Cyclonus live and Hardhead die? Same circumstances, different bot

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Swindle has to live so they can form Bruticus (which Windblade #7 strongly implied was going to happen) and I really am hoping Sideswipe lives. Trailbreaker is definite dead cause his brain was crushed and I don't get Hardhead's death: Cyclonus and him were both ex-DU, and Cyclonus survived having his shield destroyed, but Hardhead disintegrated. I don't get that (some explain please?)

-COUGH STILL A BRIEFCASE WITH PARADOX LOCKS IN PLAY COUGH-

Forgot about that. Interesting...

Still, my question stands: why did Cyclonus live and Hardhead die? Same circumstances, different bot

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Swindle has to live so they can form Bruticus (which Windblade #7 strongly implied was going to happen) and I really am hoping Sideswipe lives. Trailbreaker is definite dead cause his brain was crushed and I don't get Hardhead's death: Cyclonus and him were both ex-DU, and Cyclonus survived having his shield destroyed, but Hardhead disintegrated. I don't get that (some explain please?)

-COUGH STILL A BRIEFCASE WITH PARADOX LOCKS IN PLAY COUGH-

Forgot about that. Interesting...

Still, my question stands: why did Cyclonus live and Hardhead die? Same circumstances, different bot

I CAN ANSWER THAT! Lol

The dead universe was being controlled by Nova Prime. He can can manipulate that universe. When hardhead's sheild was destroyed he became undead again and Nova disintegrated him! Nova was very vain too, he probably wanted to keep Cyclonus around to gloat.

Or: hardhead may be hard, but Cyclonus is harder.

CombaticonsCombine? wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Swindle has to live so they can form Bruticus (which Windblade #7 strongly implied was going to happen) and I really am hoping Sideswipe lives. Trailbreaker is definite dead cause his brain was crushed and I don't get Hardhead's death: Cyclonus and him were both ex-DU, and Cyclonus survived having his shield destroyed, but Hardhead disintegrated. I don't get that (some explain please?)

-COUGH STILL A BRIEFCASE WITH PARADOX LOCKS IN PLAY COUGH-

Forgot about that. Interesting...

Still, my question stands: why did Cyclonus live and Hardhead die? Same circumstances, different bot

Vector Sigma.

After the whole deal with Kimia and the (aptly titled, whoever came up with this name) Galvacons before MTMTE started, Cyclonus sacrificed himself to stop Galvatron. He was supposed to die, but since he was in Vector Sigma's chamber the energy wave that reformatted Cybertron (I think it's the same wave? Not sure.), he got a facefull of resurrection.

Hardhead is deadsauce though.

Deadhead? Harddead? I dunno.

CombaticonsCombine? wrote:After the whole deal with Kimia and the (aptly titled, whoever came up with this name) Galvacons before MTMTE started,

Randomhero wrote:And I totally respect your opinion and the review. I can see this issue polarizing people. You either loved it or didn't. The solicites very much sold this as a conclusion and if you were looking for a conclusion I can understand frustration. The solicites are getting pretty bad in my opinion anymore. It said Optimus vs Galvatron, didn't happen. Cosmos vs soundwave, didn't happen. It all comes together! It didn't.

Va'al wrote:

Randomhero wrote:And I totally respect your opinion and the review. I can see this issue polarizing people. You either loved it or didn't. The solicites very much sold this as a conclusion and if you were looking for a conclusion I can understand frustration. The solicites are getting pretty bad in my opinion anymore. It said Optimus vs Galvatron, didn't happen. Cosmos vs soundwave, didn't happen. It all comes together! It didn't.

Oh, I very much expect it all to happen from #50 onwards - but how it just happened here did not sit well with me.

Optimus is a colonialist prick with egotistic tendencies (as we already knew, really; he shoulda stayed Orion Pax flitting through space). I do not understand why Windblade and the others just shrug and go along for the ride.

As for Cosmos and Soundwave, I expected no showdown at all. I thought Soundwave would get burned, as he did, and that Cosmos would be there for it. Which did happen. In fact, right now their narrative arc is the one I am most interested in.


Side note: Skywarp. Can someone just help that bot out? Please? It breaks my heart to see him abused to this point, he's almost developing Stockholm syndrome towards Galvatron (he had him tied up since FOREVER, for crying out loud!).

Randomhero wrote:

Va'al wrote:

Randomhero wrote:And I totally respect your opinion and the review. I can see this issue polarizing people. You either loved it or didn't. The solicites very much sold this as a conclusion and if you were looking for a conclusion I can understand frustration. The solicites are getting pretty bad in my opinion anymore. It said Optimus vs Galvatron, didn't happen. Cosmos vs soundwave, didn't happen. It all comes together! It didn't.

Oh, I very much expect it all to happen from #50 onwards - but how it just happened here did not sit well with me.

Optimus is a colonialist prick with egotistic tendencies (as we already knew, really; he shoulda stayed Orion Pax flitting through space). I do not understand why Windblade and the others just shrug and go along for the ride.

I get what you mean with Optimus. I'm not annoyed but I don't understand what is going on with hm. He took his name back but nothing else. He's not really leader of anything or anyone. He's telling Autobots what to do but not really ordering them and yes the Camians are worshipping him but he really just feels out of place. I k ow that's what the story is doing with him but it doesn't feel fluid and natural. I'm sure with the return of Sentinel and the Titans Return story will give us a better focus than he's had in the past year.

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings ... provided of course you let me take control of your planet to protect you from the "bad" guys"

1984forever wrote:Horrible. Sideswipe dead and for what? To focus on a badly written chatty Soundwave and some corny fembots? I'm just going to wait for Dreamwave to get the Transformers license which is rightfully theirs, back.

Va'al wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Va'al wrote:

Randomhero wrote:And I totally respect your opinion and the review. I can see this issue polarizing people. You either loved it or didn't. The solicites very much sold this as a conclusion and if you were looking for a conclusion I can understand frustration. The solicites are getting pretty bad in my opinion anymore. It said Optimus vs Galvatron, didn't happen. Cosmos vs soundwave, didn't happen. It all comes together! It didn't.

Oh, I very much expect it all to happen from #50 onwards - but how it just happened here did not sit well with me.

Optimus is a colonialist prick with egotistic tendencies (as we already knew, really; he shoulda stayed Orion Pax flitting through space). I do not understand why Windblade and the others just shrug and go along for the ride.

I get what you mean with Optimus. I'm not annoyed but I don't understand what is going on with hm. He took his name back but nothing else. He's not really leader of anything or anyone. He's telling Autobots what to do but not really ordering them and yes the Camians are worshipping him but he really just feels out of place. I k ow that's what the story is doing with him but it doesn't feel fluid and natural. I'm sure with the return of Sentinel and the Titans Return story will give us a better focus than he's had in the past year.

As Burn told me in conversation:

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings ... provided of course you let me take control of your planet to protect you from the "bad" guys"

That is several levels of Prowl. With the added insult that he probably actually believes he's doing a good thing.

(Hmmmm.. parallels with Western foreign policies towards countries about to be/being run by 'extremists' perhaps..? )

Ironhidensh wrote:Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.

Ironhidensh wrote:Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.

Randomhero wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.

Ironhidensh wrote:I just countinue to hope MTMTE is left alone. I've relegated future issues of This title to my, wait for comicsology half off price drop list. I just don't enjoy the book anymore, and that's completely due to the CW arc.

It's not like that at all. They're not forced to participate in anything. They choose to. John and James have said that they meet with Hasbro and are given the the opportunity to do events with Hasbro.

And let's be honest, saying you don't like MTMTE being involved is really ridiculous. It stops from having a bunch of sad gay robots standing around talking about their feelings for a few issues and gives them direction for a bit.

If I had to choose between being involved in an event or having to read another "swearth" story or charisma aliens. Yeah I'm gonna go with the event tie in.

Randomhero wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.

It's not like that at all. They're not forced to participate in anything. They choose to. John and James have said that they meet with Hasbro and are given the the opportunity to do events with Hasbro.

And let's be honest, saying you don't like MTMTE being involved is really ridiculous. It stops from having a bunch of sad gay robots standing around talking about their feelings for a few issues and gives them direction for a bit.

If I had to choose between being involved in an event or having to read another "swearth" story or charisma aliens. Yeah I'm gonna go with the event tie in.

Randomhero wrote:

1984forever wrote:Horrible. Sideswipe dead and for what? To focus on a badly written chatty Soundwave and some corny fembots? I'm just going to wait for Dreamwave to get the Transformers license which is rightfully theirs, back.

Not everyone dies in great ways. It's called being realistic and for god sake he's not confirmed. rungs head was reduced to a brain module and same for Wheeljack and they're both fine.

Yeah keep waiting for dreameave because they still exist. Oh wait, they don't. It's been owned by a dude who bought the name in a bankruptcy auction and the guy hasn't don't anything with it for 11 years. It doesn't help Dreameave owed hasbro 500,000 in back fees and and payments. But please keep waiting for a company that doesn't exist and held the license for a merely 2 1/2 years over the company that's had it for 11 and was announced that's it's extended its license of it.

1984forever wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

1984forever wrote:Horrible. Sideswipe dead and for what? To focus on a badly written chatty Soundwave and some corny fembots? I'm just going to wait for Dreamwave to get the Transformers license which is rightfully theirs, back.

Not everyone dies in great ways. It's called being realistic and for god sake he's not confirmed. rungs head was reduced to a brain module and same for Wheeljack and they're both fine.

Yeah keep waiting for dreameave because they still exist. Oh wait, they don't. It's been owned by a dude who bought the name in a bankruptcy auction and the guy hasn't don't anything with it for 11 years. It doesn't help Dreameave owed hasbro 500,000 in back fees and and payments. But please keep waiting for a company that doesn't exist and held the license for a merely 2 1/2 years over the company that's had it for 11 and was announced that's it's extended its license of it.

well, it says on Pat Lee's wiki page that he values strength and honor, so I'm quite sure Hasbro will forgive the half a mil in back payments and put the license back in his hands after IDW singlehandedly ruins the entire franchise forever.

ScottyP wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.

It's not like that at all. They're not forced to participate in anything. They choose to. John and James have said that they meet with Hasbro and are given the the opportunity to do events with Hasbro.

And let's be honest, saying you don't like MTMTE being involved is really ridiculous. It stops from having a bunch of sad gay robots standing around talking about their feelings for a few issues and gives them direction for a bit.

If I had to choose between being involved in an event or having to read another "swearth" story or charisma aliens. Yeah I'm gonna go with the event tie in.

I think regardless of how you feel about other parts of the book and its characters, the sentiment of readers wanting MTMTE to be left alone stems from Dark Cybertron. MTMTE 23-27 are more of a de-rail than anything else that's happened in MTMTE. These guys getting derailed is the point though - it's a "quest" story, do you want the quest to just end? Good stories are about the journey first and foremost, and most are enjoying the journey being taken there.

On top of Dark Cybertron, there's the other proof in the pudding with Combiner Wars having a decent build-up and follow-up, but the climactic moments were a bit dull. Then there's TF #49 here, which is presumably a build up to things to be used in Titans Return's arc(s), which is the climactic moment of many months of good build-up and manages once again to be kind of dull.

I actually think the "Chaos" event had the best climax of any arc so far, despite having an only so-so rising action sequence (though it's a bit more impactful now that we know the full consequences of what Cyclonus did at Kimia - it all looked like paltry filler material back then!)

Randomhero wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:I just countinue to hope MTMTE is left alone. I've relegated future issues of This title to my, wait for comicsology half off price drop list. I just don't enjoy the book anymore, and that's completely due to the CW arc.

And let's be honest, saying you don't like MTMTE being involved is really ridiculous. It stops from having a bunch of sad gay robots standing around talking about their feelings for a few issues and gives them direction for a bit.

If I had to choose between being involved in an event or having to read another "swearth" story or charisma aliens. Yeah I'm gonna go with the event tie in.

1984forever wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

1984forever wrote:Horrible. Sideswipe dead and for what? To focus on a badly written chatty Soundwave and some corny fembots? I'm just going to wait for Dreamwave to get the Transformers license which is rightfully theirs, back.

Not everyone dies in great ways. It's called being realistic and for god sake he's not confirmed. rungs head was reduced to a brain module and same for Wheeljack and they're both fine.

Yeah keep waiting for dreameave because they still exist. Oh wait, they don't. It's been owned by a dude who bought the name in a bankruptcy auction and the guy hasn't don't anything with it for 11 years. It doesn't help Dreameave owed hasbro 500,000 in back fees and and payments. But please keep waiting for a company that doesn't exist and held the license for a merely 2 1/2 years over the company that's had it for 11 and was announced that's it's extended its license of it.

well, it says on Pat Lee's wiki page that he values strength and honor, so I'm quite sure Hasbro will forgive the half a mil in back payments and put the license back in his hands after IDW singlehandedly ruins the entire franchise forever.

Randomhero wrote:Yeah...I really didn't want to respond to anything this dude is saying because I'm like "is he trolling or is he serious this ignorant?" And if you are trolling. Cool bro, I remember when I was 12.

Randomhero wrote:Exactly it is a quest story and if you personally have no problem with the quest being put on hold to tell other stories than why would you be upset over MTMTE joining in on a crossover book with John Barbers book?

Randomhero wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Yeah...I really didn't want to respond to anything this dude is saying because I'm like "is he trolling or is he serious this ignorant?" And if you are trolling. Cool bro, I remember when I was 12.

1984forever wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Yeah...I really didn't want to respond to anything this dude is saying because I'm like "is he trolling or is he serious this ignorant?" And if you are trolling. Cool bro, I remember when I was 12.

I have never trolled on this site, or any other. I am just giving my opinion and getting called names for it as usual.


IDW would be better off just contracting the work out to Pat Lee. This way Transformers #49 could be fixed by completely rebooting the title with a totally new storyline and different characters. The covers and solicits of this book and the rest of AHO would be kept to keep hardcore IDW fans happy while the insides of the book are changed. Unfortunately this would mean that #50 would have to be pushed back a bit.

1984forever wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Yeah...I really didn't want to respond to anything this dude is saying because I'm like "is he trolling or is he serious this ignorant?" And if you are trolling. Cool bro, I remember when I was 12.

I have never trolled on this site, or any other. I am just giving my opinion and getting called names for it as usual.

IDW would be better off just contracting the work out to Pat Lee. This way Transformers #49 could be fixed by completely rebooting the title with a totally new storyline and different characters. The covers and solicits of this book and the rest of AHO would be kept to keep hardcore IDW fans happy while the insides of the book are changed. Unfortunately this would mean that #50 would have to be pushed back a bit.

1984forever wrote:well, it says on Pat Lee's wiki page that he values strength and honor, so I'm quite sure Hasbro will forgive the half a mil in back payments and put the license back in his hands after IDW singlehandedly ruins the entire franchise forever.