John Barber Talks More IDW The Transformers #50

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Dr Va'al wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Dr Va'al wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:I think we are all forgetting another little hint: Optimus is not the Optimus he was before combiner wars. Prowl has infected is mind, and some of the stuff that is happening is stuff Prowl would do. Now mind you this may not have helped Optimus had it not happened, but some of his actions can be said to be related to Prowl and his styles

If Barber and IDW go down the mind-control route again, I will not be a happy Va'al.

no no no no no, not mind control.

Remember how the constructicons started speaking in much more unity and stopped being so individual? The personalities blended during the combination process.

the same thing may be happening to Prime. He and Prowl combined, and the combination may have blended the personalities some. It's not mind control so much as it is fusing personalities

Still not happy.

I wouldn't expect you to be. Mind games are irritating and a bother to understand

Nah, it's just narratively lazy. Just like 'it was all a dream'.

Dr Va'al wrote:
Nah, it's just narratively lazy. Just like 'it was all a dream'.

Sorry for the kinda off topic post but just wondering when did you become a Dr?



But on topic though I really hate dream endings unless if the ending without it is worse.

Optimus having doubt... That is all thanks to Simon Furman. I used to defend Furman but man, after Regeneration One I can't anymore. The guy has never written Optimus Prime well in anything. Personally I love the take on Optimus John has set up. It's new and different and welcoming.

budmaloney wrote:When a sort of closure finally comes, it passes by so fast and so nonchalantly that it didn't feel worth it.

"All this for...this? That's the "big" move he made?"

questions like this keep popping up

It's definitely components of fatigue. This issue just felt bland to me. Lots of you are saying it's great etc. I want to resonate with that. Just the constant teasing and "to be continued" and repetitive mystery has become exhausting.

I'm actually on board with you on this one. I try to look past the hype, they want to sell these books after all, but it's hard to not buy into it. I've actually had this feeling about RiD since the end of the second arc, when there's a legit twist and interesting stuff happening then, oh, Megatron came back and "It was me all along!" came into play. Dark Cybertron did pretty well with it, the problem was more the road to getting there being "eh". But then after that, it's kinda been one long build up to more long build up to... what, exactly?

As much as I hate crossovers, I can see one upcoming. Or at the very least, some MTMTE characters might have reason other than "sell combiner toys" to come over to this book, and that could help. Our Lost Light crew might survive their encounter with Tarn's Army, but beside that, what happens when/if Tarn finds out about Galvatron and Soundwave? What side is right in their minds? Or is the Decepticon Civil War about to be a triple threat?

"What it means to be Prime..."

Boring! What it means to be Prime is something Rodimus would ponder while demolishing Decepticons, not Optimus. While I admit, protecting the Earth against the will of it's inhabitants is something Optimus would do, as shown in Megatron's Master plan pt.2, when Optimus decides to turn the shuttle back around and go back to Earth after being exiled from it, self doubt however, is a very small part of his character.

No one at IDW gets Transformers. Every hack working there tries to rip off the worst elements of G1 season 3 and expand upon it in their dull overpriced comics! I swear if I had to go to a comic shop to pick up this trash I wouldn't waste the gas. The ease of one touch ordering is the only reason why I kept buying these monthly bad fanfics wherein almost all of the Decepticons are either dead or defected and the Autobots are left to fight amongst themselves.

Can someone at IDW please bring back McDonough from Dreamwave to write AUTHENTIC Transformers stories in his own continuity for fans of the original Transformers series? Reading IDWs digital doo doo is like watching a car go over a cliff, explode, and then keep exploding into smaller and smaller pieces. The entire IDW staff should be embarrased of their "work".

Tell us how you REALLY feel

1984forever wrote:"What it means to be Prime..."

Boring! What it means to be Prime is something Rodimus would ponder while demolishing Decepticons, not Optimus. While I admit, protecting the Earth against the will of it's inhabitants is something Optimus would do, as shown in Megatron's Master plan pt.2, when Optimus decides to turn the shuttle back around and go back to Earth after being exiled from it, self doubt however, is a very small part of his character.

No one at IDW gets Transformers. Every hack working there tries to rip off the worst elements of G1 season 3 and expand upon it in their dull overpriced comics! I swear if I had to go to a comic shop to pick up this trash I wouldn't waste the gas. The ease of one touch ordering is the only reason why I kept buying these monthly bad fanfics wherein almost all of the Decepticons are either dead or defected and the Autobots are left to fight amongst themselves.

Can someone at IDW please bring back McDonough from Dreamwave to write AUTHENTIC Transformers stories in his own continuity for fans of the original Transformers series? Reading IDWs digital doo doo is like watching a car go over a cliff, explode, and then keep exploding into smaller and smaller pieces. The entire IDW staff should be embarrased of their "work".

You lost credibility the moment you said Dreamwave and good in the same sentence.

It seems that your the only one here who doesn't get Transformers at least outside of 1984 which was a long time ago.

The only one who should be embarrassed is you since every comment of yours on here is just a long rant about what you don't like while also mixing up facts with your opinion if you don't like Transformers now your never going to like it because it's not going to change Transformers is just not for you and probably never will be.

Sorry 1984. While I I agree that some elements of THE optimus prime that I love and miss is lacking in recent comics, and while I do enjoy the Dreamwave transformers comics (despite personal issues and problems that some people have with its owners-mind you. It's like saying all Dreamwave artists are all bad, i.e., Don Figueroa is phenomenal), I wouldn't go so far as saying everything IDW is bad. Me not liking the direction the Recent books, doesn't make everything IDW does is bad. I love Sciola's transformers vs gi Joe. I just hope Optimus goes back to being his heroic godly self again Leave the doubts and and the indecision to new leaders, like Bumblebee, or b rated charactes to be explored. And stop it with the Megatron being an autobot. "Megaton does not yield...he conquers!"

Come on Mr. David Kay. Say the last line for me.

Through space and time, past, present, and future. My fate is of my own.
Humans, Cybertronians, Nebulans, when in my presence, remember one thing.
"Megaton does not yield. He conquers!"

President-prime wrote:Sorry 1984. While I I agree that some elements of THE optimus prime that I love and miss is lacking in recent comics, and while I do enjoy the Dreamwave transformers comics (despite personal issues and problems that some people have with its owners-mind you. It's like saying all Dreamwave artists are all bad, i.e., Don Figueroa is phenomenal), I wouldn't go so far as saying everything IDW is bad. Me not liking the direction the Recent books, doesn't make everything IDW does is bad. I love Sciola's transformers vs gi Joe. I just hope Optimus goes back to being his heroic godly self again Leave the doubts and and the indecision to new leaders, like Bumblebee, or b rated charactes to be explored. And stop it with the Megatron being an autobot. "Megaton does not yield...he conquers!"

It's Forever1984 He likes nothing outside of the first two years of transformers and Dreamwave of all things.

Nothing anyone says is going to get to him.

The year 1984 never happened. It was all a dream(wave), drawn by Pat Lee in a love letter to Rob Liefeld.

Deadput wrote:

President-prime wrote:Sorry 1984. While I I agree that some elements of THE optimus prime that I love and miss is lacking in recent comics, and while I do enjoy the Dreamwave transformers comics (despite personal issues and problems that some people have with its owners-mind you. It's like saying all Dreamwave artists are all bad, i.e., Don Figueroa is phenomenal), I wouldn't go so far as saying everything IDW is bad. Me not liking the direction the Recent books, doesn't make everything IDW does is bad. I love Sciola's transformers vs gi Joe. I just hope Optimus goes back to being his heroic godly self again Leave the doubts and and the indecision to new leaders, like Bumblebee, or b rated charactes to be explored. And stop it with the Megatron being an autobot. "Megaton does not yield...he conquers!"

It's Forever1984 He likes nothing outside of the first two years of transformers and Dreamwave of all things.
Nothing anyone says is going to get to him.

If IDW started out with Armada or Animated I probably wouldn't know who they were right now. But no, they started out with heavily influenced G1 style books because they didn't want to take a chance on not making money. So this G1 fan bought IDWs stuff that was catered to fans of G1, and then they changed it. IDW stopped the war so the Transformers could sit around and drink curdled Energon and caress each others skid plates and fight Gundams. Any other publisher would have rebooted this crap years ago, but not IDW. Why? Because people like me kept buying. Well now i'm out altogether.

Enjoy.

1984forever wrote:If IDW started out with Armada or Animated I probably wouldn't know who they were right now. But no, they started out with heavily influenced G1 style books because they didn't want to take a chance on not making money. So this G1 fan bought IDWs stuff that was catered to fans of G1, and then they changed it. IDW stopped the war so the Transformers could sit around and drink curdled Energon and caress each others skid plates and fight Gundams. Any other publisher would have rebooted this crap years ago, but not IDW. Why? Because people like me kept buying. Well now i'm out altogether.

Enjoy.

And people got bored of the war stuff which why they ended it IDW started getting better when MTMTE and RID began.

There is still action I have no idea of what your getting at with them sitting and drinking when that doesn't happen outside of a couple panels in a few issues.


and don't get me started about the caressing and Gundam comment.


84 the way the comics are now sells and people are buying their not going to change that so if you can't get into anything now then you never will since nothing will change like I said the 1980's happened a long time ago and Hasbro is kinda leaving it behind and moving on like they should.

1984forever wrote:
No one at IDW gets Transformers. Every hack working there tries to rip off the worst elements of G1 season 3 and expand upon it in their dull overpriced comics!-

You say this when that guy at Dreamwave did all that crap that got the company shut down.


That one guy is a lot more of a hack then IDW is at all their not hacks either you just don't like the stories their writing because it doesn't meet your standards.

I'm not understanding how directions of characters and comic books got into pointing fingers. I think you guys should just stop it with the misdirection and talk about what you really don't like. I think the writers and artists, fans included, would prefer if discussion is on the actual content of the work, then going back and forth about dreamwave and idw. Who cares. I need more badass megaton and epic battles.

President-prime wrote:I'm not understanding how directions of characters and comic books got into pointing fingers. I think you guys should just stop it with the misdirection and talk about what you really don't like. I think the writers and artists, fans included, would prefer if discussion is on the actual content of the work, then going back and forth about dreamwave and idw. Who cares. I need more badass megaton and epic battles.

Except for the fact that we are talking about IDW.

Yes, content and work, not which company is better. Like I said before, who cares about the direction of this debate. I, for once, wants to hear recommendations of good transformers titles and good story arc to enjoy with my transformers collections. This thread is about idw and Transformers 50. Why would I go out to a comic book store and buy this issue? The art? the writing? And yes, I've read the review. And I will buy it for the fact that it's about Optimus. Hope is is his Godlike self again

1984forever wrote:Well now i'm out altogether.

No.

Please.

Don't.


(If you do come back, please avoid swearing and insulting other users. Thank you.)

Dr Va'al wrote:

1984forever wrote:Well now i'm out altogether.

No.

Please.

Don't.


(If you do come back, please avoid swearing and insulting other users. Thank you.)

I apologize if I cluttered up the thread myself I just got upset over him insulting the writers for arguably dumb reasons.

Deadput wrote:

Dr Va'al wrote:

1984forever wrote:Well now i'm out altogether.

No.

Please.

Don't.


(If you do come back, please avoid swearing and insulting other users. Thank you.)

I apologize if I cluttered up the thread myself I just got upset over him insulting the writers for arguably dumb reasons.

This post was also unnecessary.

Seriously, there is no need to be passive or actively aggressive towards any user.

Okay, I loved the dreamwave era. And IDW took a long time to convince me it was a worthy successor. As much as I respect furmans past work, his ReGeneration 1 and -Ation series were best described as "competently boring." All the right ingredients for a good story were there, but it rarely got me excited or invested.

All hail megatron and the following ongoing were flawed, but made me feel like there were new takes on certain characters and elements, and sincerely involved me.

But it wasn't until Chaos Theory and the following More than Meets The Eye that I really became a believer and felt that IDW had truly hit its stride.

That said, I've always felt Robots in disguise, now just "The Transformers" was a book with potential, but rarely realized and cashed in potential. As of late though, it too has entered a stage of realizing that potential. Unlike Furman's brooding, soliloquy espousing Prime, I felt that RID's prime had reason to be sullen and serious. He's had to come to accept that all he stood for, including his very title, arguably did just as much harm as Megatron did to cybertron and it's people. He's working his way through regrets, and finding his place in this new universe. A universe where the transformers version of Iago is King. This latest development is a sign that he's done doubting himself, and is following his ideals and trying to live up to the faith many place in him. So kudo's for this series for that character growth.

That said, I'd like to see more team ups of prime and megatron at this stage in their lives. It'd be great to see how they play off each other in a crisis. Basically a two and a half men with Rodimus as Jake.

As for Dreamwave, Dreamwave had the unenviable task of picking up the brand having to DO something with G1 and new lines after the cartoon and marvel comic. They had to reboot something that had been Dormant for nearly a decade, and make it feel simultaneously new and familiar. Frankly, despite certain hiccups, I'm impressed they did as well as they did. Even Furman, couldn't quite get up to speed and into that kind of groove when IDW greelighted the -ation series. And if ANYONE could hit the ground running on a more serious minded transformers property, you'd figure it'd be the guy that killed off roughly 70% of the human race back in G2. Not that his prime was any less annoying back then, but at least the story was interesting.

And yes, Pat Lee, despite being a talented penciler, is an utter tool as a businessman.

You know after 30 years of war, I'm more than a little tied of The Transformers just being about "giant robots punching each other" I want to see what makes these characters tick. The Great War between the Autobots and Decepticons was boring the hell out of me. I've seen that story for 30 freaking YEARS across dozens of different media. The good guys win the bad guys lose, and nothing matters.

Ending the war and showing what peace between the various Transformers factions is what I need to recharge me and keep interested in the franchise. And yeah I know there are fans who want mindless violence and nothing more from the Transformers I got 3 words for you:
GET.
OVER.
IT.

Let those of us who want a smart and intelligent version of The Transformers for a little while longer and are sick of it being nothing more than a "toy comic" enjoy it while it lasts.

Because here is the truth: This won't last forever and sooner rather than later you will get your mindless "giant robots punching each other" mindless violence again and you can set the franchise back another 20 years along with Micheal Bay's stupid movies.

Recently re-read the whole post-Dark Cybertron series (up until and including 57) because... well okay, not gonna pretend like I had a purpose going in; I just went to Issue 29 because I wanted to reference something and got sucked into it. Gave me a new appreciation for the comic as a whole and I'm much more excited for new issues of OP now.

But one little detail I noticed today in #49/#50 which isn't incredibly important, but still kind of makes me happy? They got as much of the original starting Autobot cast from the -ations series as possible on Optimus' side. At this point Bumblebee is dead, Jazz is missing, Prowl is... COMPLICATED... and Ratchet's in space. But despite Ironhide and Wheeljack firmly being Windblade/TAAO regulars, they managed to come back for this series' 50th alongside Optimus and Sunstreaker. And I just kind of find that wonderful.

Hell, the Decepticon side's had that all throughout the book too! Runabout and Runamuck are dead while Megatron and Starscream are doing their own things; but Skywarp, Blitzwing and Astrotrain have stood with Galvatron since #29 and Thundercracker's been a regular of the book too. Sure these are little details when -ations didn't really do much to flesh out most of these characters, but it still makes me really happy that it seems like this series is doing as much as it can to get its continuity's original cast present in its mainline comic despite this series - and Transformers in general - having a rotating cast so much of the time.