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Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW

Transformers News: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW

Wednesday, December 27th, 2017 12:48PM CST

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Welcome back, Seibertronians! If you celebrate it, I hope you had a very Merry Christmas, you had a good time with your friends and loved ones, and that Santa left many robots under your tree. But let's forget about all the happy feelings we've acquired over the past few days and immediately throw them into a pit of despair and agony, because it's time again for Machinima's Titans Return!

Okay, I'm being overdramatic, because this series on the whole is still leagues better than any Transformer content we've gotten out of Machinima previously. It's when you start breaking it down and looking into the individual episodes when things start to fall apart. Let's do exactly that with the new installment, Episode 8: In Good Hands!
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This Episode of Titans Return sponsored by Allstate

We again find Super Combiner Victorion fighting Trypticon, and it's very Sentai/Classic Mecha inspired, and it's actually pretty cool. The one thing that detracts from this is Victorion's grunts. There's little variation to them, so they end up sounding like a video game character they only recorded one "Pain" sound for. It gets grating and annoying, but the scene changes fast enough so it doesn't get too much. That's really a nitpick, though, on an otherwise fun scene.
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AGH. AGH. AGH. AGH. AGH. AGH. AGH.

We cut back to Windblade and Fortress Maximus, who are both floating through the sky in a truly Studio Ghibli fashion. They analyse the situation before they arrive, and again it's a very nice scene. Michael Dorn is great as Fort Max, and even with his robotic lines, he packs in a lot of emotion. Some of Windblade's lines here are feel a bit disconnected from the scene, but, like I said a couple reviews ago, it's obvious that not all of these actors recorded at the same time, which makes it hard to match the emotion of a scene and make a conversation sound natural.

At the same time, the Chorus of Banes from the Dark Knight Rises-Sorry, the Chorus of Primes talks to Optimus about the threats currently gripping the city, and he decides to join the fight. The Combiners split from their super-combiner mode, and decide to attack Trypticon individually. There's some scale discrepancies here, but it's not that big of a deal.
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Energon Mains UNDER the city? They seem to be pretty on the surface to me, hence why your friend just fell in one.

Victorion finds some random energon shard (??) and decides to hurl it at Trypticon to make him fall into an Energon main behind him. Again, we get a weirdly long establishing shot to get across this idea. The shot lasts 9 seconds, when it could have easily been done in 3 and still have done it's job.
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It's the Cybertronian Olympics! All the way from Caminus comes Victorion, competing for the Gold in Javelin!

The lack of visible damage in this show is really bothering me, as well. Prime is just wailing on Trypticon's neck with his axe, and it's clearly hurting him, as Trypticon recoils and gets angry while he's doing it, but there's no visible damage or wear from the attacks. This is the same case as Metroplex back in the beginning of this show. He was apparently so damaged he couldn't continue to fight, but we didn't see any damage until his entire arm got blown off.
Transformers News: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW
Does about the same amount of damage as the actual toys would do to each other.

Victorion throws her spear at Trypticon but - shock! - she misses, instead hitting the Energon line behind him, causing a huge explosion, engulfing everyone around it. I would have loved to have been in the Metroplex City Planning meeting where they just decided to put extremely volatile rivers that explode at the slightest touch flowing through the middle of the city.

Trypticon actually transforms into base mode, and starts using his defense systems to hold his attackers back. He fires directly at Optimus, launching him across the city. Just as he's about to crash into the street, Fort Max comes down from the heavens to save him at the last second. Not sure how that landing was any softer, considering Fort Max is also made out of metal, just like the ground, but what are you going to do? Windblade comes to him and tells him to relax, because he's "In good hands".
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Roll cred-Hey! they actually did!

Overall, I think this episode is a solid "Okay". I mean, it's certainly not as laughably bad as the previous couple of episodes, but that's a pretty low bar. It is very nice to look at, though. I think they nailed the character models and set pieces. Surprisingly, the art style and animation are quickly becoming my favorite part about this series, when they were one of my biggest issues in Combiner Wars. The subtle improvements they made really did make a difference. Like I said in the previous review, the colors are really aesthetically pleasing, too. Most of the voice acting's okay, at least, if not better. Peter Cullen and Michael Dorn are particular highlights. It just feels like there's no weight to anything that's happening. No consequence. Maybe that's because of that damage issue I touched on above; no one is shown to physically get injured through all of these battles, so there doesn't feel like there's any desperate issues, even though there's a giant robot dinosaur attacking the city.

It'll be interesting to see how all of this wraps up in the coming weeks. Thanks for tuning in once again, and please keep the discussion going in the energon pub forums below. Do you agree? Do you disagree? Please tell me why. See you next week!
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Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928409)
Posted by Nexus Knight on December 27th, 2017 @ 1:10pm CST
Bronzewolf wrote:Victorion throws her spear at Trypticon but - shock! - she misses, instead hitting the Energon line behind him, causing a huge explosion, engulfing everyone around it.


I actually think she meant to hit the vein. She saw that Devastator done went boom in one, realized they went boom when things touched them, and grabbed the shard. Then she shouted at everyone to back away so that they would not go boom (not that it would matter, these robots seem indestructible) and then she threw it. And then it went boom.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928420)
Posted by Burn on December 27th, 2017 @ 3:05pm CST
Nexus Knight wrote:
Bronzewolf wrote:Victorion throws her spear at Trypticon but - shock! - she misses, instead hitting the Energon line behind him, causing a huge explosion, engulfing everyone around it.


I actually think she meant to hit the vein. She saw that Devastator done went boom in one, realized they went boom when things touched them, and grabbed the shard. Then she shouted at everyone to back away so that they would not go boom (not that it would matter, these robots seem indestructible) and then she threw it. And then it went boom.

That's how I took it as well.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928425)
Posted by o.supreme on December 27th, 2017 @ 3:33pm CST
when I watched this a second time, (I know glutton for punishment), when Trypticon had Victorions sword in his mouth, did anyone else think it looked like a giant pacifier. :lol:
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928433)
Posted by Bronzewolf on December 27th, 2017 @ 4:26pm CST
Burn wrote:
Nexus Knight wrote:
Bronzewolf wrote:Victorion throws her spear at Trypticon but - shock! - she misses, instead hitting the Energon line behind him, causing a huge explosion, engulfing everyone around it.


I actually think she meant to hit the vein. She saw that Devastator done went boom in one, realized they went boom when things touched them, and grabbed the shard. Then she shouted at everyone to back away so that they would not go boom (not that it would matter, these robots seem indestructible) and then she threw it. And then it went boom.

That's how I took it as well.

I was more or less being sarcastic, saying that they set it up like she was trying to push Trypticon into the Energon lines, but that ended up not being her plan. That would also cause a large explosion, for the record, so telling everyone to get away would still make sense.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928449)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 27th, 2017 @ 6:53pm CST
o.supreme wrote:when I watched this a second time, (I know glutton for punishment), when Trypticon had Victorions sword in his mouth, did anyone else think it looked like a giant pacifier. :lol:
Honestly, my first thought when I saw him hold her sword in his mouth was that I thought he was going to try to breathe his fire breath through the sword, as though the sword could serve as some sort of power conduit to augment his stream of fire breath, and that him doing so at so close a range to Victorion might be a way for Trypticon to instantly kill her in one final blow.

BUUUUUUT I guess that idea would have been too creative for this show to have thought of. :P
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928450)
Posted by Burn on December 27th, 2017 @ 7:17pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:BUUUUUUT I guess that idea would have been too creative for this show to have thought of. :P

Instead, let's remind people of Trypticons short arms!
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928576)
Posted by partholon on December 28th, 2017 @ 1:24pm CST
TBH the logical thing for him to do would be to break the sword in his jaws.

trying to stab her with it in his mouth looked , well stupid.

i will say that the episode had prob the best visual so far for trypticon in terms of his base mode firing all weapons.

even though they jipped out on showing him clearly transform into it.

it was nice to see the combiners work as a team too. nice nod to computron and how long it takes him to formulate a plan.

it is kinda mad that this is more combiner wars than titans return though !

but yeah there really wasnt much to this episode. real sence of "treading water".
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928838)
Posted by WreckerJack on December 30th, 2017 @ 1:30am CST
Today we have to share with you a very cool stop motion video promoting the Machinima Titans Return animated series viewable on go90 (in the US). It includes some neat effects and sounds applied to a video of real Titans Returns figures in action. The video features a battle between Optimus Prime and Hot Rod against Overlord taking place in an office space. It's worth the watch as it uses some really great animation, the production team put in a lot of effort and it shows. We won't spoil the fight for you, you can watch it mirrored below.

Also, if you enjoy Titans Return figures, please be aware that some Target stores are putting some Titans Return figures on clearance after the holidays. It may be worth it to go on a toy hunt to see what you may find!


Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928863)
Posted by LE0KING on December 30th, 2017 @ 10:00am CST
Better frame rate and story than the actual show... Sad.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928872)
Posted by Flashwave on December 30th, 2017 @ 11:30am CST
He... He shot Hot Rod right out of his guns. :lol:

Just goes to show how easy it is to steal the Matrix from someone. Its funny how Hot Rod shot his jet cockpit off his arm, I have so many priblems with that popping off the little handle piece.

I love how Overlord is conking people on the head with it, how is he holding that though? Movie magic? Or is there an actual onnection point?

Love that G2 Prime every time I see it, but man when I put it on my shelf with the other bots its just not whT I want in an Optimus Prime.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928879)
Posted by william-james88 on December 30th, 2017 @ 12:40pm CST
LE0KING wrote:Better frame rate and story than the actual show... Sad.

True.

Flashwave wrote:Love that G2 Prime every time I see it, but man when I put it on my shelf with the other bots its just not whT I want in an Optimus Prime.

I totally get that and I felt that until I got it in actual G2 Prime deco, Then it all made sense.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928882)
Posted by Whifflefire on December 30th, 2017 @ 1:09pm CST
Maybe the whole Machinima show should've been done in stop motion.

And as far as I can tell, Overlord's cockpit cannot attach to his wrist like that.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928891)
Posted by Hydrargyrus on December 30th, 2017 @ 2:36pm CST
This is great. Absolutely amazing.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928944)
Posted by ExciKaiser on December 30th, 2017 @ 5:57pm CST
Just spent 10 min trying to fit the ship on the arm. Without success.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1928990)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2017 @ 10:52pm CST
william-james88 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:Love that G2 Prime every time I see it, but man when I put it on my shelf with the other bots its just not whT I want in an Optimus Prime.

I totally get that and I felt that until I got it in actual G2 Prime deco, Then it all made sense.
Yeah, the normal retail version is more "G2 Laser Optimus Prime wearing Star Convoy's deco instead of his own" than not.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929020)
Posted by Flashwave on December 31st, 2017 @ 10:35am CST
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:Love that G2 Prime every time I see it, but man when I put it on my shelf with the other bots its just not whT I want in an Optimus Prime.

I totally get that and I felt that until I got it in actual G2 Prime deco, Then it all made sense.
Yeah, the normal retail version is more "G2 Laser Optimus Prime wearing Star Convoy's deco instead of his own" than not.


For me, its more the proportions. I have my CW Optimus Prime affixed between a mix if CHUG and Prime and he just looks right. Big without being looming, not his G1 Proportion but also not wrong. The G2 Prime just sorta washes out in the crowd
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929200)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 2nd, 2018 @ 12:17am CST
Almost forgot about Episode 9 tonight - https://www.go90.com/videos/2BxPz9NWuwH
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929203)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 2nd, 2018 @ 12:31am CST
The excitement Optimus expresses at the beginning of this episode, about Fort Max being awake, is probably the happiest that Peter Cullen has made any of his Optimus Primes sound in the past decade.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929212)
Posted by Va'al on January 2nd, 2018 @ 4:33am CST
With another episode in the Machinima animated series Transformers Titans Return now available, we also have yet another interview with voice actor and Transformers legend Peter Cullen - the voice of Optimus Prime in the series along with many others - courtesy of Comic Book.com!

The brief conversation can be found below, and you can head here for the full piece. Make sure to check back later on Seibertron.com for a review of the latest episode, too.

During a conversation about Transformers: Titans Return, a webseries that brings Cullen back together with Transformers: The Movie co-star Judd Nelson and other legendary Transformers names, the voice acting legend (who long played Eeyore in Disney's Winnie the Pooh franchise) recalled the wild days of early Transformers seasons when none of the cast were sure anyone was watching.

“I’m a Generation One fan, always have been for many reasons, obviously,” Cullen told ComicBook.com. “It’s the beginning and a successful beginning and a continuing journey of success. Generation One, to see it all happening that way again, reminds me sentimentally of the old days. The only thing missing is the cast; I don’t work with the full cast the way that we used to. I miss the days when we would have laugh attacks and production would shut down for five or six minutes due to everyone laughing so hard they couldn’t stop. Those were the days that I cherished.”

He added that in those early days, working with people like Mel Blanc (in some non-Transformers work) and Frank Welker (Megatron), he was constantly floored by the level of talent that he was working with, even if animation was still considered something of an acting ghetto at that time.

“These creative minds, these vocal geniuses playing multiple characters, inventing them, there’s no greater thrill to be sitting and recording with people who are that capable. You’re just in awe; it’s jaw-dropping,” Cullen said. “I have great appreciation for them; and it's great to get someone like Judd Nelson back. What a great, talented person and a special kind of human being. His approach to acting is a great, great asset to the franchise. We don’t have much opportunity to work with too many other people, but Frank Welker I do. We convene together at conventions, et cetera, and we get an opportunity to back and forth with each other, which is laugh-attack-ville.”


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Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929238)
Posted by o.supreme on January 2nd, 2018 @ 10:47am CST
Well It was kind of cool to see Fort Max as a fully powered Titan, able to stand up to Trypticon even with augmented Powers. Having Trypticons transformation again shrouded was disappointing. They should have just made this an actual animated series instead of a cheap web-series. Of course when I say full animated series, I mean with professional level writers, directors, animators etc...Yeah I know Hasbro would never go for it, that's why we cant have nice things.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929250)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on January 2nd, 2018 @ 12:11pm CST
I just starting watching G1 again, like over this weekend, and trying to do the whole series. IT's amazing to hear how young Optimus Prime sounds to how he does now. I know that's because Peter is older, but you could honestly believe this is part of that continuity, you know, if they hadn't screwed it up. lol
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929303)
Posted by Bronzewolf on January 2nd, 2018 @ 5:06pm CST
Happy New Year, Seibertronians! With a new year comes more Titans Return, and so we arrive on the ninth episode of Machinima's animated series. Head-scratching moments abound, so let's just dive right in!

We open right where the previous episode left off, as Fort Max stands before Trypticon with Optimus, Windblade, and Emissary in his hand. And almost immediately off the bat we're reminded of one of the series' biggest issues. Fort Max is pelted with bolts from the same cannon that fired one shot at Prime and hurled him across the map, but acts like it's nothing. A mild inconvenience. He carries on a conversation through the entire scene while constantly getting hammered with countless lasers. This show needs to understand battles are not night and day, perfectly healthy to dead. Show some struggle, some battle damage. Heck, even if it's just little burn marks, just SOMETHING. Make us feel an emotional connection to the characters. If you don't want to do that, establish that they have a force field or shield around them, like the ships from Star Wars. Or, since this series loves glowy neon orbs so much, give him an actual lazer shield that expands from his arm! That would look so cool! THIS IS NOT THIS HARD, PEOPLE. It's really starting to bother me, and is really making it feel like they were just, frankly, too lazy to alter the character models in any way.
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"Yeah, sure, we can make him fall over, but blaster marks? Ha! That's above MY pay grade."

Anyway, Trypticon transforms back to kaiju mode, and battles Fort Max, and again, the Titan fights are proven to be when this series is at it's best. The combiners can't reform their super combiner mode, as they've spent all of their energy. They decide to just split up and try to distract the Titan Dinosaur. Optimus discovers Megatron just watching the battle, and tries to convince him to fight. He's unsuccessful for the time being, as he's distracted by Fort Max, who lands a couple good hits on Trypticon, knocking him on his back. It looks like the Autobots have the upper hand for the first time in this battle, and Victorion rushes him, trying to finish him off. At the last second he turns his head and devours her whole. Literally, in one bite.
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Hey, it's Attack on Titan! Heheheh

The odds then stack up against the Autobots, as not only did they lose a fighter but Trypticon has also consumed the Enigma of Combination, which somehow activates it, granting him magical powers. He promptly uses them to knock Fort Max and the other remaining Autohots down. It is a glorious couple of minutes of action, and it's extremely pretty. The visuals of Trypticon using the Enigma are very good looking. Again, the art style and color palette are very quickly becoming my favorite parts about this series.
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I'm excited for the Doctor Strange remake starring Trypticon

Trypticon takes control of the other combiners and makes them turn on Fort Max. Windblade and Emissary decide they have to get them off the City Titan, so they do a couple strafing runs, knocking Devastator and Menasor off. Computron fights back, however, and sends her way off course, crashing into the ground, conveniently right at Megatron's feet.
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I was almost going to complain about how Windblade shot Fort Max more than the combiners she was aiming for, but then I realized there's no point, because damage is meaningless in this series. HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA

Windblade convinces Megatron to finally join the fight, and he narrowly saves Optimus from Devastator. While this is all happening, Perceptor has received a message from the Matrix of Leadership, which he's supposed to be carrying to safety. He brings it back into the city, presents it to Trypticon, and also gets straight up eaten whole. With that, the episode ends.

ImageTrypticonus Prime?

This episode brings us one step closer to the end of this season, and I have to say i'm kind of enjoying the overarching story. When you zoom into each episode, the details and execution annoy me, sure, but the actual story isn't awful. It's an interesting idea, and now that we're closer to the climax, the action is more fast-paced, fun and definitely watchable. Depending on how they tie it all up, of course, but that remains to be seen.

Thanks for reading! You can watch this episode for yourself over on Go90, and come back and tell me if you agree or if you think I was totally off base. Catch you next week with the release of Episode 10!
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929316)
Posted by Rodimus Primal on January 2nd, 2018 @ 8:19pm CST
This series has been a better watch but, man it drags on sometimes.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929359)
Posted by Burn on January 3rd, 2018 @ 3:26am CST
Stuff ALMOST happened with this episode.

I mean sure, there was still the whole bit with Optimus telling the combiners to separate ... only to ignore him and get promptly taken over by Trytiscream.

Oh and Menasor and Devestator only got taken over because of their limited intelligence. Care to explain Computron then Windblade?

And hey look! It's Perceptor! Totally ignoring Optimus' orders as well. I don't think anyone respects his leadership abilities any more.

Except Megatron, maybe, though he's just hanging around for the lulz.

Good grief this series is a mess.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929456)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on January 3rd, 2018 @ 12:28pm CST
I want to say I think the Enigma of Combination is quite possibly the worst item ever conceived of and added into Transformers Lore. Whomever came up with it, should be thoroughly beat with their keyboard.

To a certain extent I would like to see them do a reissue of Trypicon in the Psychedelic magic scheme of translucent purples and glitter they us in here.

The best part of this episode Preceptor getting eaten. I loved him in the G1 cartoon but I can't stand him in this series. I admit, part of it is probably the voice actor for him this time around.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929461)
Posted by o.supreme on January 3rd, 2018 @ 12:37pm CST
I think the idea of the Enigma is a good one, explaining how Combiners work, and can come into existence. How its been executed in this series, and the previous one, yes that is a point of contention I can understand.

Its kind of like Vector Sigma...Sure you can make new Transformers without it (i.e. The Dinobots), but they are going to have limitations. In my head canon, I always envisioned the Dinobots were taken to Vector Sigma at some point between 1985-2005, which explains their vastly augmented personalities from TFTM & on.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929474)
Posted by william-james88 on January 3rd, 2018 @ 12:58pm CST
o.supreme wrote:Its kind of like Vector Sigma...Sure you can make new Transformers without it (i.e. The Dinobots), but they are going to have limitations. In my head canon, I always envisioned the Dinobots were taken to Vector Sigma at some point between 1985-2005, which explains their vastly augmented personalities from TFTM & on.

As a fan who didnt grow up with G1, the key to Vector sigma is what I have the hardest time making sense of. Especially when you link that to Beast Machines.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929478)
Posted by o.supreme on January 3rd, 2018 @ 1:00pm CST
william-james88 wrote: As a fan who didnt gro up with G1, the key to Vector sigma is what I have the hardest time making sense of. Especially when you link that to Beast Machines.


yeah, BM screwed a lot of things up, but that's nothing new. ;)
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929491)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 3rd, 2018 @ 1:28pm CST
o.supreme wrote:
william-james88 wrote: As a fan who didnt gro up with G1, the key to Vector sigma is what I have the hardest time making sense of. Especially when you link that to Beast Machines.


yeah, BM screwed a lot of things up, but that's nothing new. ;)
What did BM do with the Key that was wrong? In G1, it turned organic material into metal, just as it did in BM.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1929492)
Posted by o.supreme on January 3rd, 2018 @ 1:32pm CST
I was being a bit facetious, but the question may want to be directed at William since he was wondering how Vector Sigma made sense...

As for me, I really have no issue with Vector Sigma itself in BM...it's other things I take issue with.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930092)
Posted by Michael Alex Kawa on January 5th, 2018 @ 9:36pm CST
I just watched the Stop Motion video you guys posted with Optimus, Hot Rod and Overload, which was awesome, but I noticed there was another one by the same creator and I didn't know if you guys knew about it, so I thought I would share just in case.
This one has Windblade, Optimus, Megatron and Tyrpicon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRhfqRUYNTE
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930408)
Posted by WreckerJack on January 8th, 2018 @ 1:39am CST
Recently Den of Geek did an interview with the one and only Peter Cullen. In the article he talks about his role as Optimus Prime and Ironhide throughout the franchise, including the most recent Titans Return animated series. He reflects on the moment when he got word that Optimus would be written out of the Transformers: The Movie (1986). He goes on to talk about how he portrays Optimus and Ironhide in the live action films by Michael Bay.

He later gives some advice in the article to those who aspire to be voice actors. It is worth the read for those who are thinking about being the voice of a character in a show. If you would like to check out Peter Cullen's latest work, Transformers Prime Wars: Titans Return is available on Go90.com.



I was a 1980s kid, and I remember seeing Transformers: The Movie and just being devastated by the death of Optimus Prime. How did you first find out about this plot point, and after Optimus died did you find yourself grieving for the character?

I was stunned when I first read about it. I was reading the script, getting ready to go into recording. I was with Frank Welker and I got to the page, and I just read it and when the dust settled in my brain, i said "wait a minute, this is it, I’m not coming back. Oh damn." Or whatever curse words were available at the time, I chose those that were appropriate.

It was disappointment for sure. As an actor you either learn to put up with rejections or disappointments or you’ll break, you'll succumb. I'm used to that. Most actors are used to that, getting hired for something that means a lot to them. You hope, you hope, you hope. Your hopes shouldn't be dashed because you didn’t get the part. But in my case I was a little disgruntled because there was no explanation, there was no intended meaning behind it, other than years later to find out they were just trying to create a new character to sell more toys. But at the time you interpret that as being “my character sucks, God I must have been terrible in this role.”

We didn’t get fan mail. I never received a letter of fan mail although I was told it did come. And we didn’t have the internet so there was no thermomenter to judge how popular or unpopular something was. So move on, go on to the next job.

Of course now you realize how beloved Optimus is. Jumping ahead a few years when you were first cast for the Michael Bay Transformers movie, was your approach to the film version of Optimus different than his cartoon counterpart?

I think the answer is a two-fold answer. The character traits were ultimately for me going to be the same, but how to enact them and make the change from a small television screen with painted pictures to a full-on, blown up 45-foot character who is talking to human beings in real-life form in a believable way, that was something that had to be contended with. And I might add that Michael Bay and the people in his department were very concerned whether or not Peter Cullen could act. In other words could he act in a real-life situation and the way they were going to conceive it and portray it?

I had to audition a total of three times, they weren’t quite convinced. I don’t blame them, because at the audition Michael asked me if I played any other characters and I said yes, I played Ironhide and Ironhide had a scene with Optimus Prime. There was a girl reading Ironhide not giving it any dimension. I assumed that Michael Bay was at least aware of some of these characters so I said “if you don’t mind I’d like to read that part, I did him two and half years on the television series." She said ok.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930428)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 8th, 2018 @ 7:41am CST
Jess Harnell was Movie Ironhide. Cullen just read Ironhide's lines during his audition for Optimus.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930577)
Posted by King Kuuga on January 9th, 2018 @ 6:36am CST
It's Tuesday, where's episode 10? Did I miss a memo about its delay?
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930578)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 9th, 2018 @ 6:44am CST
Surprisingly, it isn't up yet on go90.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930593)
Posted by Autobot N on January 9th, 2018 @ 8:53am CST
Episode is up now.

Windblade wrote:Somebody explain what just happened!
Sums up what I think of the series so far.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930597)
Posted by o.supreme on January 9th, 2018 @ 9:42am CST
"All Things Must Pass" ....so many jokes/puns could be made here, but I'll leave that for others...

Well, that was something. Actually something I think I may have not entirely disliked...not sure yet...It certainly did make the end of the battle with Trypticon anti-climactic, but in an odd way, I feel it was kind of like the end of LOTR. There was nothing really the armies of the world could do to stop Sauron, but the destruction of the One Ring did bring it all to an end, as did giving the Matrix to Trypscream.

Oh and we see Overlord, make sure you don't forget him :roll: . Megatron, what terrible language ;) . Also is that Mark Hamill voicing Megatronus? Just a shot in the dark, probably not, but just going by my initial instinct.

Are there any Mazinger fans here? I Initially thought of the Mikene Emperor with the flaming face, and oddly enough, Megatronus had a Mazinger-ish head in his robot form, which is again a completely new design not based on any previous rendition of Megatronus/The Fallen.

No surprise about Evil Rodimus, though they must have done this before getting renders from Hasbro about Rodimus Unicronus. Though the face-plate reveal in PotP could come complete with evil goatee.

This felt much more like Episode 1 of PotP than the end of TR, but it is what it is...Oh and it definitely was also very much like the end of Pirates of the Caribbean "Dead Man's Chest" (the 2nd one). -The Hero is dead, the Villain comes back and asks if the crew is willing to go to the place they need to go, to do the thing they need to do...It's just too bad that Optimus' Death means so little now, its pretty much a staple of every series.

I'll admit I'm more optimistic about PotP now, than I was for TR at the end of CW, but just a bit more. 8-) .
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930602)
Posted by MrBlack on January 9th, 2018 @ 10:48am CST
o.supreme wrote:"All Things Must Pass" ....so many jokes/puns could be made here, but I'll leave that for others...

Well, that was something. Actually something I think I may have not entirely disliked...not sure yet...It certainly did make the end of the battle with Trypticon anti-climactic, but in an odd way, I feel it was kind of like the end of LOTR. There was nothing really the armies of the world could do to stop Sauron, but the destruction of the One Ring did bring it all to an end, as did giving the Matrix to Trypscream.

Oh and we see Overlord, make sure you don't forget him :roll: . Megatron, what terrible language ;) . Also is that Mark Hamill voicing Megatronus? Just a shot in the dark, probably not, but just going by my initial instinct.

Are there any Mazinger fans here? I Initially thought of the Mikene Emperor with the flaming face, and oddly enough, Megatronus had a Mazinger-ish head in his robot form, which is again a completely new design not based on any previous rendition of Megatronus/The Fallen.

No surprise about Evil Rodimus, though they must have done this before getting renders from Hasbro about Rodimus Unicronus. Though the face-plate reveal in PotP could come complete with evil goatee.

This felt much more like Episode 1 of PotP than the end of TR, but it is what it is...Oh and it definitely was also very much like the end of Pirates of the Caribbean "Dead Man's Chest" (the 2nd one). -The Hero is dead, the Villain comes back and asks if the crew is willing to go to the place they need to go, to do the thing they need to do...It's just too bad that Optimus' Death means so little now, its pretty much a staple of every series.

I'll admit I'm more optimistic about PotP now, than I was for TR at the end of CW, but just a bit more. 8-) .

TFWiki credits Hamill for Megatronus. So, credit to Hasbro again for upping the voice budget.

His design definitely evokes Mazinger with the helmet and the neck spikes. I guess it looks a bit like the movie incarnation filtered through the RID art style.

Not sure what I think of this. It was certainly a bold way to end this chapter. Megatron continues to entertain, so I guess that's enough for me.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930604)
Posted by o.supreme on January 9th, 2018 @ 10:53am CST
MrBlack wrote:TFWiki credits Hamill for Megatronus. So, credit to Hasbro again for upping the voice budget.


oh wow, I was right for once. ;) . Still this is not his first gig in Transformers, he was Chief Burns brother in Rescue Bots.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930620)
Posted by Rysquad on January 9th, 2018 @ 1:11pm CST
When I saw this: https://i.imgur.com/JhKnYpL.png

I thought of this:

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and this:

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Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930658)
Posted by Burn on January 9th, 2018 @ 3:09pm CST
Final episode? You mean "How much can we cram into this one episode because we ran out of time?"

Just like that, Trypticon falls over dead, Ghost Starscream goes flying off, and a flaming eyes and mouth that made me wince.

Basically this entire series was a set up for Megatronus to get his hands on the Enigma of Combination and The Matrix? ugh ...

At least we got a glimpse of Rodimus Unicronus, I thought for sure they'd just skip over that little plot point.

Now that they've discovered more money for the voice actor budget, can they find some money for the script budget for PotP?
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930659)
Posted by Rysquad on January 9th, 2018 @ 3:15pm CST
Will there be a new Megatronus toy?
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930660)
Posted by o.supreme on January 9th, 2018 @ 3:17pm CST
Burn wrote:Now that they've discovered more money for the voice actor budget, can they find some money for the script budget for PotP?


Same writers....so I'm going to say no. But, to be fair, I'd say overall it was better than CW (I know not saying much...) But if the trend continues, we could actually, potentially, maybe...live in this crazy world where PotP may end up better then the worst of the Unicron Trilogy...( everybody's opinion of worst is different , so take your pick..) just sayin' ;)
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930664)
Posted by o.supreme on January 9th, 2018 @ 3:20pm CST
Rysquad wrote:Will there be a new Megatronus toy?


That was my initial thought, but Hasbro hasn't revealed anything beyond the Prime Masters as representing the Prime's themselves (Megatronus is said to be with Bomb-Burst in wave 3 of PotP). Though I must say that Megatronus had that "Toyetic" (points if you know where that's from) look.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930669)
Posted by Bronzewolf on January 9th, 2018 @ 3:37pm CST
Another Tuesday brings another episode of Machinima's Titans Return animated series. We're finally up to the final episode this week, episode ten, and boy are we in for a big one. That's not necessarily saying it's good or bad, just that it's packed to the brim with new, interesting, and slightly confusing moments. So without further ado, let's take a look at the final episode of Titans Return!

We rejoin the action with Trypticon having just eaten Victorion, the Enigma of Combination, Perceptor, and the Matrix of Leadership. This is obviously too much power for even the giant Titan, so he automatically rejects them all, coughing up the two Autobots and the two relics. Starscream's ghost is also released from Trypticon's body, and he falls, having basically been turned into an empty shell. The former council member says his final words to the Megatron and the rest of the cast, and then disappears into the ether. Sort of an anti-climatic end to the main plot thread of the series, but it at least makes some sort of sense. For the first time in a few episodes, Overlord is shown again, now overlooking (badumtiss) the aftermath of the battle.

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"Well ain't that downright...finger lickin' good."

Victorion tries to retake the Enigma, but it catches her on fire, burning her right forearm, an entire half of Dust Up (Who may or may not exist as a separate personality in this continuity, given this series' track record with Combiners), completely off.

She recoils from the attack as the fire spreads, creating a ring around both the Enigma and the Matrix. The fire climbs higher and creates the shape of a...fairly non-threatening smiley face?

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"Children of my third cousin twice removed's wife's sister's bank teller!"

The Emoji from hell reveals himself to be some sort of God to the Transformers, and Optimus wants to defend Cybertron from his obvious evil intentions, but Megatron convinces Prime to let him talk to the mystical being first. As Megatron approaches, the being reveals himself to be none other than Megatronus. Megatron speaks to him, reminding the God that he has, for eternities, fought under his name with respect and honor, and united the Decepticons Megatronus created. Megatronus tells him to move on to his point, so Megatron continues.

I have a few issues with Megatron's speech here.

The first is that Megatron curses Megatronus, saying "Goddamn you!". It caught me so off guard that it totally pulled me out of the episode. I haven't really shared my thoughts on the PG-13 nature of this series' dialogue yet, so I'll throw those two cents in now. It's not the principle of swearing that bothers me specifically, I think it's fine to use for effect, but in this series it feels like they're including it just because they can. There's no drama to it, no anguish, it's just there. Not only that, but in this specific case it makes no sense, as he's the God doing the damning. Perhaps it would have been more of an effect had he said "Primus Damn you!" or something to that effect, referencing a power higher than Megatronus. I digress.

My second issue with this scene is Megatron himself. Megatron's voice actor is one of the best parts of both this series and its predecessor, Combiner Wars. The sarcastic and flippant take on the classic character is seriously one of the best Megatrons we've seen since G1, but in this specific scene, it doesn't completely work. He's lamenting to his God and Idol about all of these things he's done to try and honor Megatronus, but he still maintains his indifferent exterior. It actually would have been an interesting scene to have him perhaps become slightly vulnerable at the feet of his idol when he's so buffed against vulnerability toward everyone else. It would have deepened his character, and would have really shown that he felt betrayed about doing all these things to gain approval of Megatronus just to receive nothing in response.

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It's awesome to see our podcast staff in official media...

Anyway, Optimus and Fort Max use this opportunity to try to attack Megatronus, and it ends, uh, very poorly.

Fort Max actually uses the Master Sword, which is pretty awesome to see in an American series, but Megatronus easily blocks his attacks. He then gets rushed by Prime, though Optimus is similarly no match for the god, and gets blasted through the chest by a lazer. Yep, we get to deal with this again.

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Oh, guys, no. Why? Didn't Transformers: The Movie teach you anything about what happens when you kill Optimus Prime?

As the life drains from Optimus's eyes, Megatronus warns of an apocalyptic event that will bring an end to the Transformers. With that cryptic warning, he disappears. Megatron realizes he knows where to find Megatronus, and asks the rest of the team to follow him there, promising the new adventure for the cast in the next series.

Overlord is still on a nearby hill watching what's transpiring before him, and for one final twist to this huge episode, it's revealed to us that he has turned Hot Rod into Rodimus Unicronus. With that, the episode, and the series, ends.

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While on the whole this was a very enjoyable episode, there were bits and pieces that irked me. Line deliveries, pacing issues, the norm for this series. It answered a few questions and ended a few plot threads, but started quite a few more, but does lead in to a cliffhanger to transition into Power of The Primes. The amount of new characters and plot twists has definitely peaked my interest, and was an exciting episode, but I feel that spreading some of them out over the past couple of episodes would have been better. Some of the more recent installments have felt a bit too dull and filler-like, but it did make for quite a nail-biting episode today, like I said. And if there's one thing you can say for these Machinima shows, they're always unpredictable.

Looking at the series as a whole, it was not bad by any stretch. I've maintained since the beginning that it is leagues ahead of Combiner Wars, and it really is. In voice talent, animation, pacing, even the mouth movements on the characters, everything is a huge improvement. I can say unequivocally this production team learned a lot from their past mistakes and tried to remedy some of them. There lies the problem, though: They didn't fix enough of them. The pacing still feels off, some of the conversations need, desperately, to feel more natural and flowing. Character movements need to be more natural, and need to express more emotion when someone's talking. It's all very close to being good, and they have made vast improvements and learned a lot, I just think they need to learn a bit more.


Thanks for reading this review, and, as always, please share your thoughts down in the Energon Pub forums. Sorry today's review was a tad longer than what I normally do, there was a lot to unpack. Tell me if you agree with the points I made, or if I'm way off base. See you later this year, with the release of Power of the Primes!
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930670)
Posted by Burn on January 9th, 2018 @ 3:39pm CST
o.supreme wrote:
Burn wrote:Now that they've discovered more money for the voice actor budget, can they find some money for the script budget for PotP?


Same writers....so I'm going to say no. But, to be fair, I'd say overall it was better than CW (I know not saying much...) But if the trend continues, we could actually, potentially, maybe...live in this crazy world where PotP may end up better then the worst of the Unicron Trilogy...( everybody's opinion of worst is different , so take your pick..) just sayin' ;)

Keep my expectations low then.
Not like it was going to be any other way.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930671)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 9th, 2018 @ 3:42pm CST
o.supreme wrote:Well It was kind of cool to see Fort Max as a fully powered Titan, able to stand up to Trypticon even with augmented Powers. Having Trypticons transformation again shrouded was disappointing. They should have just made this an actual animated series instead of a cheap web-series. Of course when I say full animated series, I mean with professional level writers, directors, animators etc...Yeah I know Hasbro would never go for it, that's why we cant have nice things.



I would have been happy with just an animated comic style affair, with great voice acting and some nice effects. There was a pretty good motion comic a while back about the War Within that seemed better than Machinima's efforts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JPeHw4laWos
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930672)
Posted by o.supreme on January 9th, 2018 @ 3:47pm CST
Fan made videos are fine. I have ma favorites also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYny1tadpPM

but, for better or worse, I always keep them separate form official media.
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930673)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 9th, 2018 @ 3:54pm CST
o.supreme wrote:Fan made videos are fine. I have ma favorites also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYny1tadpPM

but, for better or worse, I always keep them separate form official media.


I meant that Machinima could have used this style of animation to save money and spend more in the writing, visual effects, voice actors, length, etc.

Some might say that there are practically no differences in frame rate between a motion comic, and what we have got right now ;)
Re: Machinima Titans Return Episode 8 REVIEW (1930678)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on January 9th, 2018 @ 4:30pm CST
I feel bad for the voice cast on POTP, because Joe's gonna kill them.

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