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D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Shame really, I did like this Starscream

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Shame really, I did like this Starscream

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william-james88 wrote:You know whats crazy, I was wondering which Megatron this take was referencing and I couldnt come up with it. While Megs is my favourite, he rarely has any warmth or charm. In G1 he was just the leader, like an evil prime, but with terrible schemes. In the movies, he feels very distant, just a tyrant with not much for goals or personality aside from beig he bad guy and wanting Prime and everyone else dead (also very easily influenced by victoria secret models). In Animated, he is very grave and menacing. He is menacing in Prime as well but with a more strategic sense which makes him feel more cold than other versions, he really feels more like a general there. And in MTMT he is just solemn, there is no cheer there.

So why does this more fun Megatron personality fits so well for me? And then I got it. This guy has that more playful angle I remember from Beast Wars Megatron. Not as regal, of course, but far more flowery and animated than other versions of the character and closer to that one. I always likd that personality on megs and it always fit very well.

o.supreme wrote:wow...a lot of people are seriously ticked at the Starscream thing...C'mon now...you can't tell me you didn't see that coming? ... It wouldn't be Starscream otherwise...having a rational non-ego driven Starscream would be silly, almost as silly as Megatron being an Autobot ...oh wait... I was just kind of :"meh" on it earlier, but the more people reject it, because it returns Starscream to how he should be...the more I like it.

primalxconvoy wrote:

o.supreme wrote:wow...a lot of people are seriously ticked at the Starscream thing...C'mon now...you can't tell me you didn't see that coming? ... It wouldn't be Starscream otherwise...having a rational non-ego driven Starscream would be silly, almost as silly as Megatron being an Autobot ...oh wait... I was just kind of :"meh" on it earlier, but the more people reject it, because it returns Starscream to how he should be...the more I like it.

I don't think you understand why people didn't like it. A traditional Starscream is fine, and so is a more developed, progressed character. What this show did was take the matured IDW character and turn him into classic g1 cartoon Starscream at the last minute. There was no real journey from one state to the other. It's just as bad as if it was the opposite way round, with classics g1 SS Iceblink giving up and joining the council in one, small minutes long episode.

Also, SS is part of the council to sate his need for power, especially power that isn't contested. Why would he throw that away?

william-james88 wrote:You know whats crazy, I was wondering which Megatron this take was referencing and I couldnt come up with it. While Megs is my favourite, he rarely has any warmth or charm. In G1 he was just the leader, like an evil prime, but with terrible schemes. In the movies, he feels very distant, just a tyrant with not much for goals or personality aside from beig he bad guy and wanting Prime and everyone else dead (also very easily influenced by victoria secret models). In Animated, he is very grave and menacing. He is menacing in Prime as well but with a more strategic sense which makes him feel more cold than other versions, he really feels more like a general there. And in MTMT he is just solemn, there is no cheer there.

So why does this more fun Megatron personality fits so well for me? And then I got it. This guy has that more playful angle I remember from Beast Wars Megatron. Not as regal, of course, but far more flowery and animated than other versions of the character and closer to that one. I always likd that personality on megs and it always fit very well.

Tyrannacon wrote:Definitely finding this incarnation of Megatron very amusing and fun to watch. Like william-james pointed out, he's definitely got the fun aspect of the character here from the Beast Wars version in a way even.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You know whats crazy, I was wondering which Megatron this take was referencing and I couldnt come up with it. While Megs is my favourite, he rarely has any warmth or charm. In G1 he was just the leader, like an evil prime, but with terrible schemes. In the movies, he feels very distant, just a tyrant with not much for goals or personality aside from beig he bad guy and wanting Prime and everyone else dead (also very easily influenced by victoria secret models). In Animated, he is very grave and menacing. He is menacing in Prime as well but with a more strategic sense which makes him feel more cold than other versions, he really feels more like a general there. And in MTMT he is just solemn, there is no cheer there.

So why does this more fun Megatron personality fits so well for me? And then I got it. This guy has that more playful angle I remember from Beast Wars Megatron. Not as regal, of course, but far more flowery and animated than other versions of the character and closer to that one. I always likd that personality on megs and it always fit very well.

Tyrannacon wrote:Definitely finding this incarnation of Megatron very amusing and fun to watch. Like william-james pointed out, he's definitely got the fun aspect of the character here from the Beast Wars version in a way even.

I said this before, but it bears repeating. This Megatron is so fun because of how un-Megatron-like he is. While the BW Megatron comparison is probably the closest one could make between this Megatron and any other Megatron, BW Megatron wasn't quite as snarky, snide, and sarcastic as this Megatron is, which appear to be the best qualities of this Megatron. It's almost like someone took BW Megatron and combined him with Rattrap to make the personality of this Megatron.

But, to back up to the original point I wanted to repeat, this Megatron doesn't exactly seem to be channeling any previous Megatron, but does seem to be channeling another 1980s robot cartoon villain: Cy-Kill. This version of Megatron is every bit as hammy and snarky as Cy-Kill ever was (or at least, it sure seems like he's trying to be), and it's wonderful.

Sadly, there isn't a single clip on YouTube that shows a proper example of how fun Cy-Kill's personality was, so unless anyone here has access to the actual GoBots episodes, I got nothing but this claim to state my case with.

Kurona wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Some awesome stuff about BW Megatron

Tyrannacon wrote:Megatron Fanboy agreeing with BW Megatron lover

Sabr being Sabr and some Cy-Kill stuff

That noted, I do like this original take on the character. Not only because, well, it's an original take on the character and original takes are good; but because it's an original take that makes sense to be an original take. (new drinking game; how many times does she say 'original take') We've never seen Megatron quite in this position before. Not in a position where he has absolutely, totally lost the war and is out on his own - sure, we've seen him in IDW, but that was a completely different scenario following his decision to become an Autobot and already starting to regret what he'd done. This Megatron clearly has not gone through that development at all and has just started wandering around the place like some mad old coot. We don't exactly know what he's doing (beating up Constructicons in some randomass arena? What...?) but we can see how he's been lead up to this. He's been struck from his power but never quite lost that spark and lust for power; being on his own instead of having an army behind him obviously giving way to what he is now. I like it and to be honest it's easily the best thing to come out of CW since the original take on Starscream completely kicked the bucket.

Sabrblade wrote:You know what's made especially sad in light of this episode's events? The Starscream Prelude was honestly the deepest and best written "episode" to come out of this entire show so far.

And now that one genuinely good ep turns out to be a boldfaced lie.

Kurona wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You know what's made especially sad in light of this episode's events? The Starscream Prelude was honestly the deepest and best written "episode" to come out of this entire show so far.

And now that one genuinely good ep turns out to be a boldfaced lie.

So of the preludes...

-The Optimus one gave a bad first impression
-The Starscream one which everyone loved is now completed invalidated
-The Victorion one doesn't mean **** because she just showed up to get absorbed two seconds later
-The Windblade one showed off possibly one of the worst characters (this specific incarnation; RiD 2015 and IDW incarnations are fine at worst) we've had in recent years and nothing has changed to fix that

This is getting depressing.

primalxconvoy wrote:

o.supreme wrote:wow...a lot of people are seriously ticked at the Starscream thing...C'mon now...you can't tell me you didn't see that coming? ... It wouldn't be Starscream otherwise...having a rational non-ego driven Starscream would be silly, almost as silly as Megatron being an Autobot ...oh wait... I was just kind of :"meh" on it earlier, but the more people reject it, because it returns Starscream to how he should be...the more I like it.

I don't think you understand why people didn't like it. A traditional Starscream is fine, and so is a more developed, progressed character. What this show did was take the matured IDW character and turn him into classic g1 cartoon Starscream at the last minute. There was no real journey from one state to the other. It's just as bad as if it was the opposite way round, with classics g1 SS giving up and joining the council in one, small minutes long episode.

Also, SS is part of the council to sate his need for power, especially power that isn't contested. Why would he throw that away?

ArmadaPrime wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

o.supreme wrote:wow...a lot of people are seriously ticked at the Starscream thing...C'mon now...you can't tell me you didn't see that coming? ... It wouldn't be Starscream otherwise...having a rational non-ego driven Starscream would be silly, almost as silly as Megatron being an Autobot ...oh wait... I was just kind of :"meh" on it earlier, but the more people reject it, because it returns Starscream to how he should be...the more I like it.

I don't think you understand why people didn't like it. A traditional Starscream is fine, and so is a more developed, progressed character. What this show did was take the matured IDW character and turn him into classic g1 cartoon Starscream at the last minute. There was no real journey from one state to the other. It's just as bad as if it was the opposite way round, with classics g1 SS giving up and joining the council in one, small minutes long episode.

Also, SS is part of the council to sate his need for power, especially power that isn't contested. Why would he throw that away?

See, I thought the episode made it fairly clear (or at least the only reasonable assumption) that all of the matured nice version of starscream was a facade, a long game that he'd been playing for who knows how many years since the war. In a sense, this is truly the most developed version of starscream- he's still a conniving, deceptive, selfish git, but he's gotten so good at being obsequious and pretending to care about the 'greater good' that he fooled not only the other characters, but also the audience!

primalxconvoy wrote:I don't think you understand why people didn't like it. A traditional Starscream is fine, and so is a more developed, progressed character. What this show did was take the matured IDW character and turn him into classic g1 cartoon Starscream at the last minute. There was no real journey from one state to the other. It's just as bad as if it was the opposite way round, with classics g1 SS giving up and joining the council in one, small minutes long episode.

Mr Skram wrote:He's essentially the Megatron that always should have been.

RodimusRex wrote:I really, really love the 1986 movie and am really put off by things that tamper with it.

In particular, what we had the last two episodes seemed like pure S1-2 fan drivel, in that:

- Rodimus is depicted as cowardly and incompetent. I could buy him not being the MOST competent but that's because he's a creative thinker.

- They go out of their way to suggest Megatron has never killed Starscream. And while I like this Megatron, do you know why I like him?

Because he's basically S3 Galvatron, written at a higher functioning level.

I dislike the otherwise pretty good Titans Return/Combiner Wars toys and IDW line's attempts to distance Megatron and Galvatron. For me, Megatron becoming Galvatron is one of the best and most imagination titillating concepts in Transformers. I especially love that it requires the sacrifice of a classic character to get there because it suggests that a Transformer can become someone else at the expense of their old identity. I would much prefer to see a continuity where Galvatron becomes Megatron again than see Galvatron and Megatron as separate characters or a mature continuity like this where it seems like no version of the '86 movie happened, aside from a character assassination of Rodimus.

Not a fan of Galvatron being a separate character who coexists with Megatron, in general. I like Megatron here but mostly because he seems like he's being written as, shall we say, Galvatron on Prozac. And it feels to me like a lot of what they're going for here is an attempt to unwrite the '86 movie while pushing other aspects of G1.

RodimusRex wrote:I really, really love the 1986 movie and am really put off by things that tamper with it.

RodimusRex wrote:I really, really love the 1986 movie and am really put off by things that tamper with it.

In particular, what we had the last two episodes seemed like pure S1-2 fan drivel, in that:

- Rodimus is depicted as cowardly and incompetent. I could buy him not being the MOST competent but that's because he's a creative thinker.

- They go out of their way to suggest Megatron has never killed Starscream. And while I like this Megatron, do you know why I like him?

Because he's basically S3 Galvatron, written at a higher functioning level.

I dislike the otherwise pretty good Titans Return/Combiner Wars toys and IDW line's attempts to distance Megatron and Galvatron. For me, Megatron becoming Galvatron is one of the best and most imagination titillating concepts in Transformers. I especially love that it requires the sacrifice of a classic character to get there because it suggests that a Transformer can become someone else at the expense of their old identity. I would much prefer to see a continuity where Galvatron becomes Megatron again than see Galvatron and Megatron as separate characters or a mature continuity like this where it seems like no version of the '86 movie happened, aside from a character assassination of Rodimus.

Not a fan of Galvatron being a separate character who coexists with Megatron, in general. I like Megatron here but mostly because he seems like he's being written as, shall we say, Galvatron on Prozac. And it feels to me like a lot of what they're going for here is an attempt to unwrite the '86 movie while pushing other aspects of G1.

RodimusRex wrote:I dislike the otherwise pretty good Titans Return/Combiner Wars toys and IDW line's attempts to distance Megatron and Galvatron.

Kurona wrote:

RodimusRex wrote:I really, really love the 1986 movie and am really put off by things that tamper with it.

In particular, what we had the last two episodes seemed like pure S1-2 fan drivel, in that:

- Rodimus is depicted as cowardly and incompetent. I could buy him not being the MOST competent but that's because he's a creative thinker.

- They go out of their way to suggest Megatron has never killed Starscream. And while I like this Megatron, do you know why I like him?

Because he's basically S3 Galvatron, written at a higher functioning level.

I dislike the otherwise pretty good Titans Return/Combiner Wars toys and IDW line's attempts to distance Megatron and Galvatron. For me, Megatron becoming Galvatron is one of the best and most imagination titillating concepts in Transformers. I especially love that it requires the sacrifice of a classic character to get there because it suggests that a Transformer can become someone else at the expense of their old identity. I would much prefer to see a continuity where Galvatron becomes Megatron again than see Galvatron and Megatron as separate characters or a mature continuity like this where it seems like no version of the '86 movie happened, aside from a character assassination of Rodimus.

Not a fan of Galvatron being a separate character who coexists with Megatron, in general. I like Megatron here but mostly because he seems like he's being written as, shall we say, Galvatron on Prozac. And it feels to me like a lot of what they're going for here is an attempt to unwrite the '86 movie while pushing other aspects of G1.

But this is a new continuity. The 1986 Movie isn't a part of it's continuity.

o.supreme wrote:not saying your points aren't valid...but I don't think that is the case...If there are any critics of TF:TM, they must be few & far between as I personally don't know any. Deviations...I think wasn't borne out of criticism of the 1986 film, more than an honest-to-goodness what-if story...gone wrong. I adore the 1986 film, but always myself wondered *what if* Optimus had killed Megatorn, I have played that scenario out many times in my mind over the past 30 years, that doesn't mean I don't like TF:TM...its just to bad Deviations was so horribly executed. This CW series is really nothing to fear. It may have a 10-year olds sensibility toward characters, but it wont change anything. There are several reasons to dislike it...but having to do with the movie is not one of them. In fact I'm almost positive if you asked any of the folks involved with CW, they would say they love TF:TM.

Mr Skram wrote:Someone mentioned his eyes were glowing a different color after touching the enigma and they thought it might be controlling him. I could see them doing something like that. It's still kinda shoddy storytelling, but at least there's a possibility that the mature Starscream is in tact, that the surge of power from the enigma brought out his repressed or more instinctual traits. Doesn't make too much sense, but not a lot in this series does.

Mr Skram wrote:Doesn't make too much sense

Sabrblade wrote:Plus, the Prelude video was him giving an internal monologue, a bout of inward self-reflection, proclaiming his reformation..

Sabrblade wrote:His betrayal in this episode just renders that Prelude a complete and utter lie to the audience