Machinima Transformers: Power of the Primes Episode 5 Airs Online

Another episode that definitely happened, yep. Assorted thoughts (in roughly chronological order and all spoilered, just in case):
- It's sooo dumb hearing the Dinobots just speak with random "regular" voices. Like, they somehow sound less robotic than even the other robots in this show, and not all all primitive - it's just a perfectly eloquent regular dude who says "me Snarl" at the beginning of his sentences.

- Overlord shooting stuff with his belly-lasers was honestly kind of hilarious to me.

- YOU CANNOT CHOKE A ROBOT. YOU CANNOT CHOKE A ROBOT. THIS SERIES WILL BE THE DEATH OF ME.

- Machinima back at it again with the genius marketing scheme of killing off every character that actually appears as a toy in the line being advertised!

- "Cataclysm Tundra... clearly no-one thought very hard to give it a name." Having your characters call out your own incompetency does not make your incompetency okay. I shouldn't have to say that again.

- I cannot cope with Primal being called "tall dark and... brooding". I don't know if it's the hilarious kind of can't-cope, or the agonizing kind. I'll let you know when I work it out.

- So we finally have our answer about why Megatron got the Requiem Blaster from Primal, and it's... because he said he was a good guy. HOW did this monkey, "the most righteous and steadfast guardian" mind you, protect an all-powerful artifact for millenia if all anyone had to do was say "oh no I love Cybertron I promise". And he validates that by saying something weird and spiritual about "looking deeper into Megatron and yourself"? And Windblade is like "yeah that seems like a good enough explanation" and just rolls with it?? AHAHAHAHA

- Grimlock looks dumb. That's all, just had to put that out there.

- The music in this building is trying so hard to be Zelda but it just. Can't. Manage it.

- Perceptor, it's a LIBRARY COMPUTER. You don't need to be "scientific" about using a LIBRARY COMPUTER. Those things are so primitive Grimlock could probably use them without too much trouble.

- Oh, so the "tragic fate" mentioned in the blurb is either Solus Prime's death or Megatronus' exile? Both of which have been revealed previously. No, no that's fine. I'm not upset. It's my own fault for expecting something interesting out of this show, anyway...

- Oh for the LOVE OF. At least they killed a character whose toy isn't currently being marketed this time...

- Gasp Overlord said the "ass" word!! How will we ever cope with such language in our "mature audiences"-oriented animated series? Please Machinima go back to using "scrud", it's the hardest language we adults can handle!

Bronzewolf, you brave, brave person. I don't know how you're managing to stay composed in the face of this show.

Well this episode made me want for flip a fragging table. It's time for sleep so I will keep the complain train in the station for now.

So I'm not watching this atrocity of a series until Freddery does his magic, but from what I gather Rodimus Unicronus tears the head off of Freddery's mum Victorion.

Jesus.

If only the series had the brutality the final minutes had. THAT was Game of Thrones-esque, finally, after they’ve been advertising the trilogy as something so similar the entire time.

Not even sure why i clicked here since i have no interest in the show or even the toyline for the most part but that choking robot bit caught my eye and made me wonder how many instances there have been in all of Transformers media where that has been attempted? I mean probably the most well known example being Galvatron choking Hot Rod in the final battle of the 1986 animated film.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Not even sure why i clicked here since i have no interest in the show or even the toyline for the most part but that choking robot bit caught my eye and made me wonder how many instances there have been in all of Transformers media where that has been attempted? I mean probably the most well known example being Galvatron choking Hot Rod in the final battle of the 1986 animated film.

Who knows what was going through their heads when they wrote this stuff. So much of recent TF media has humanized them far too much, namely certain IDW titles and then the choking crap here.

I always took that scene from the 86 movie as Galvatron literally crushing Hot Rod’s neck, trying to tear his head off. Funnily enough Rodimus appeared to do exactly that in the episode to you know who.

Stormshot_Prime wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Not even sure why i clicked here since i have no interest in the show or even the toyline for the most part but that choking robot bit caught my eye and made me wonder how many instances there have been in all of Transformers media where that has been attempted? I mean probably the most well known example being Galvatron choking Hot Rod in the final battle of the 1986 animated film.

Who knows what was going through their heads when they wrote this stuff. So much of recent TF media has humanized them far too much, namely certain IDW titles and then the choking crap here.

I always took that scene from the 86 movie as Galvatron literally crushing Hot Rod’s neck, trying to tear his head off. Funnily enough Rodimus appeared to do exactly that in the episode to you know who.

Simutaneously the funniest and most awesome choke in TF history:

Sabrblade wrote:I... actually feel legit sad about the first death in this ep.

Not because I cared about the character (none besides Megatron have been given reason for us to care about them in these shows), but because it felt like watching someone harm a helpless innocent animal, and the others mourning him afterward was honestly a bit touching.

Just capitalized on my sentiment 100%. This was the only Dinobot toy I actually had as a kid, and so was my default favorite.

The Prime Wars series had previously been competing with Armada for most overly simplistic/dumb episode titles. Someone at some point must have heard those complaints and read a Dr. Strange comic or something.

As for the rest....Here is my conundrum. If you remove a combiners head, although that may be physically paintful and render the team inoperable in Combiner mode, couldn't they just separate back into their components? I mean the one that is missing half her body has probably been dead since the end of TR. But the other 4 should still be alive?...

Does seem odd killing off characters you're supposed to be selling. Back in the 86 film and Marvel Comics a character's plot armour was often determined by whether or not their toy was still being sold in stores (which be why the Underbase saga killed off the vast majority of characters who didn't have an organic component whether they a nebulan or a pretender shell in a big ol' massacre by Starscream who then was destroyed himself).

But then from the sounds of it this series in general isn't really doing much to sell the toys it's based on anyways.

If ever there was a series designed to sell toys, This Isn't it. CW and TR came out after their lines had pretty much ended. PotP is current, but due to so many limitations, is basically out to capture the interest of fans who have not consumed any Transformers media (other than the live action films) in the last 20 years. making them "think" *hey this is exactly like I remember*, when that couldn't be further from the truth.

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I... actually feel legit sad about the first death in this ep.

Not because I cared about the character (none besides Megatron have been given reason for us to care about them in these shows), but because it felt like watching someone harm a helpless innocent animal, and the others mourning him afterward was honestly a bit touching.

Just capitalized on my sentiment 100%. This was the only Dinobot toy I actually had as a kid, and so was my default favorite.

The Prime Wars series had previously been competing with Armada for most overly simplistic/dumb episode titles. Someone at some point must have heard those complaints and read a Dr. Strange comic or something.

As for the rest....Here is my conundrum. If you remove a combiners head, although that may be physically paintful and render the team inoperable in Combiner mode, couldn't they just separate back into their components? I mean the one that is missing half her body has probably been dead since the end of TR. But the other 4 should still be alive?...

The series been EXTREMELY inconsistent on its portrayal of combiners, the writers clearly didn’t do their research. It seems certain combiners are just one big person (ala Victorion), but then we have classic combiners like Volcanicus who are made up of 5 individuals. Don’t try and make sense of it, you’ll just end up running in circles

Of the very few characters in this show who actually have toys in the Potpie line, most of them don't really even resemble those toys neither. Megatronus is an all new design, Solus is based more on her Binder of Revelation look, Rodimus Cron is just a Rodimus Unicronus-colored redeco of MP-9 (plus a mouthplate), Optimus Primal looks more like his original Beast Wars design (complete with sculpted fur, even) with just his Potpie Optimal Optimus cockpit integrated into his back, and Grimlock is more based on MP-8 than anything else. Only the other Dinobots, their combined Volcanicus form, and Predaking look anything like their Potpie toys.

Possible Spoilers ahead:

Normally I wait for the review thread to be up before I post my thoughts, but seriously, this time forget it.

First Up, this show has no real sense of scale. It seems like the dinobots keep changing sizes from previous episodes.

It also shows how much cooler the Dinobots would have been at a larger scale. Who wouldn't want a Grimlock that in beast mode was the same height as a combiner.

The dinobots, some of the strongest and possibly most violent of the standard characters, getting their butts whooped without even really attacking. I call BS on that.

I can't say I'm upset about Victorian's head getting popped off, she was an annoying character, and brings us back to the whole weirdness of the combiners being the main entity and not the ones who form it.

Choking in transformers has always been a thing.

They aren't just robots they are living beings.

Transformers have brains and a heart(spark) assuming their brains are in their head then choking is still valid way of killing them as the attacker is physically constricting any infomation being passed between the two organs, it might be oxygen in humans that is restricted but it also might be an important node or circuitry in a Transformer.

just my 10 pence

Coptur wrote:Choking in transformers has always been a thing.

They aren't just robots they are living beings.

...Who can also survive in the oxygen-less vacuum of space.

I haven't watched the show since the 3rd episode of CW. I just come here for the reviews.

Honestly, it sounds exactly like the G1 cartoon, easy on small minds, hard for adults to watch.

kurthy wrote:I haven't watched the show since the 3rd episode of CW. I just come here for the reviews.

Honestly, it sounds exactly like the G1 cartoon, easy on small minds, hard for adults to watch.

Which by default makes it better than the *g1* comic I guess?...which I find hard to believe anyone could accept...

Sabrblade wrote:

Coptur wrote:Choking in transformers has always been a thing.

They aren't just robots they are living beings.

...Who can also survive in the oxygen-less vacuum of space.

That's right they can but they don't breath and don't require oxygen

you saying that makes me laugh about the 2007 movie.

Megatron can fly through the cold of space but freezes in antartica (& people using fire extinguishers)

Coptur wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Coptur wrote:Choking in transformers has always been a thing.

They aren't just robots they are living beings.

...Who can also survive in the oxygen-less vacuum of space.

That's right they can but they don't breath and don't require oxygen

And yet they gag, cough, and sound hoarse when they're choked. Even when in space.

Coptur wrote:
Megatron can fly through the cold of space but freezes in antartica (people using fire extinguishers)

Hollywood is dumb. News at eleven.

So ... anyone heard from Bronzewolf? It's been 12 hours or so and he hasn't checked in.

Should Va'al start advertising a replacement?

Ok, so this episode was not all that bad to me.

Lets start with likes so far:

1) Primal. I really do like Primal, even if he doesn't say much, I really like him for some reason. Also really hoping he does assume his PotP Optimal mode, I feel they have set it up perfectly for that, with the most righteous part.

2) Rodimus Cron: they really should have had him assume his Prime size and added the goatee to him, cause this is perfect. I also love how he is proving to be one of the most lethal bots ever, killing Computron in a single shot, Destroying half of Devastator before killing him, killing Sludge for fun, and then ripping off Victorion's head. He has killed 3 combiners people, very few have ever held that title (I think the Beast and Thunder Mayhem are the only others with that title).

3) Poor Sludge, that part made me sad. Come on Rod/Cron!

4) Overlord is still great, and I do love him. Really, he is good.

5) I've come to appreciate Perceptor too, not bad at all.

The things that did bother me:

1) match the frikkin words to the mouths people!

2) Can we transform every now and then please?

3) The one combiner shown to actually combine and decombine gets his leg component killed, that is depressing. Now Predaking is the only one of the 6 combiners shown so far capable of combining in full and being alive!

Also, If we really want to get technical about the limbs being alive or the combiner just being 1 entity here, Dustup only had her legs cut off. It's not like it was her head and chest that was disintegrated, just her legs people!

Sabrblade wrote:

Coptur wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Coptur wrote:Choking in transformers has always been a thing.

They aren't just robots they are living beings.

...Who can also survive in the oxygen-less vacuum of space.

That's right they can but they don't breath and don't require oxygen

And yet they gag, cough, and sound hoarse when they're choked. Even when in space.

well if your throat has been crushed you'd sound different...imagine if it was made out of metal LOL

ever paid out for panel beaters that stuff is expensive

Burn wrote:So ... anyone heard from Bronzewolf? It's been 12 hours or so and he hasn't checked in.

Should Va'al start advertising a replacement?

This show has killed him...whoever va'al gets in as a replacement will have to be well compensated.

Will watch this episode later but I know what to expect and I expect it to disappoint. Seems to be the perfect mindset to be in for this show.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:He has killed 3 combiners people, very few have ever held that title (I think the Beast and Thunder Mayhem are the only others with that title).

While not three, Windblade slaughtered Menasor singlehandedly like he was nothing way back in episode 1 of Combiner Wars.

Coptur wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Coptur wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Coptur wrote:Choking in transformers has always been a thing.

They aren't just robots they are living beings.

...Who can also survive in the oxygen-less vacuum of space.

That's right they can but they don't breath and don't require oxygen

And yet they gag, cough, and sound hoarse when they're choked. Even when in space.

well if your throat has been crushed you'd sound different...imagine if it was made out of metal LOL

ever paid out for panel beaters and stuff is expensive

That's only if breathing is factored into the equation, though.

This episode was better than the usual, meaning I didnt hate it. But there aint much there. What didnt get was how ripping off a combiner head killed the entire combiner. I mean, the individuals are still there and can function without a leader on their own (like the Dinobots do).

And good point about Megatron going throgh deep space but freezing on earth, I never thought of it, thats freaken hilarious!

william-james88 wrote:What didnt get was how ripping off a combiner head killed the entire combiner.

Shock to the system.

What I don't get is how Evil Rodimus can one punch kill a Dinobot but just follows The Colonel blindly. Seriously, turn on him already.

Burn wrote:

william-james88 wrote:What didnt get was how ripping off a combiner head killed the entire combiner.

Shock to the system.

What I don't get is how Evil Rodimus can one punch kill a Dinobot but just follows The Colonel blindly. Seriously, turn on him already.

Lack of leadership ambition, I guess.

Some people just rather follow than lead, preferring to not carry the responsibilities and expectations that come with positions of authority.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:He has killed 3 combiners people, very few have ever held that title (I think the Beast and Thunder Mayhem are the only others with that title).

While not three, Windblade slaughtered Menasor singlehandedly like he was nothing way back in episode 1 of Combiner Wars.

Coptur wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Coptur wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Coptur wrote:Choking in transformers has always been a thing.

They aren't just robots they are living beings.

...Who can also survive in the oxygen-less vacuum of space.

That's right they can but they don't breath and don't require oxygen

And yet they gag, cough, and sound hoarse when they're choked. Even when in space.

well if your throat has been crushed you'd sound different...imagine if it was made out of metal LOL

ever paid out for panel beaters and stuff is expensive

That's only if breathing is factored into the equation, though.

mmm.. the vocal processors could be located within the neck of transformers and any impact or constriction to that area could cause damage thus giving the impression of what we as breathing organic beings see as choking.

As air can't be stopped as they don't breath like humans one can only assume that other information is being stopped(or dramatically reduced) between the two vital (techno)organs.

Once choking had been stopped/prevented either the spark or brain information would then cause a sudden surge of fluids/information releasing it to the other vital component causing what we as organics could only understand as gasping for air.

I feel like you may be putting more thought into this the original creators did. I'd still argue that the animators put it in as they thought it was a powerful visual and there was 0 story reasons behind it

This entire show has been a colossal failure from beginning to end, and that includes Combiner Wars and Titan's Return.

Even the crap that was Beast Machines, RiD 2000, and the Unicron Trilogy are bitter than this garbage. It literally has ZERO redeeming qualities. None.

The animation is crap, the story is crap, the voice acting is terrible, the dialogue is atrocious.

ZeroWolf wrote:I feel like you may be putting more thought into this the original creators did. I'd still argue that the animators put it in as they thought it was a powerful visual and there was 0 story reasons behind it

i don't and won't doubt that

I didn't like the seeing the Dinobots put up no fight and then just get completely rolled over...

Galactic Prime wrote:This entire show has been a colossal failure from beginning to end, and that includes Combiner Wars and Titan's Return.

Even the crap that was Beast Machines, RiD 2000, and the Unicron Trilogy are bitter than this garbage. It literally has ZERO redeeming qualities. None.

The animation is crap, the story is crap, the voice acting is terrible, the dialogue is atrocious.

Don't even dare compare Beast Machine to this mess: sure it was a stupid, preachy and nonsensical show. Sure it ruined the character of just about every Beast Wars survivor safe maybe Cheetor and sure the design were atrociously weird but at least, dear fucking Primus, it at least tried to be something.

Although this "show" (I use the term loosely) has 6 episodes left. I think the best thing we as fans can do is, after its all said and done, do as little as possible to even acknowledge it , which I don't think will be a problem for most. I mean, my criteria may be a bit flawed/biased but in my mind, to date there have been 16 Transformers Animated Series. In Chronological order they would be:

1. The Transformers
2. Transformers: The Headmasters
3. Transformers: Super-God Masterforce
4. Transformers Victory
5. Beast Wars Transformers
6. Beast Wars II
7. Beast Wars Neo
8. Beast Machines Transformers
9. Transformers: Robots In Disguise
10. Transformers Armada
11. Transformers Energon
12. Transformers Cybertron
13. Transformers Animated
14. Transformers Prime
15. Transformers Rescue Bots &
16. Transformers Robots In Disguise (2015)

Transformers Cyberverse (for good or ill, yet to be determined) will be the 17th series. For single episodes, I include Scramble City as part of the original series, and Zone as part of Victory (just my thinking).

Then, there is *everything else*, oddball animation, not really worthy of being called a full series, and should only be compared to each other:

1.Robot Masters
2.Transformers:Universe
3.Transformers: Beginnings
4.Transformers: Cyber Missions
5.Transformers GO!

If we want to compare/contrast the quality of Machinima’s Prime Wars Trilogy, it should be against these type entries. Which, also by comparison, receive very little recollection, or recognition or are subjects of conversation since their passing. The Prime Wars Trilogy (In my mind), is the 6th (or 6-8th, I have yet to make a final determination) entry in this odd little subset of Transformers animated media.

I'm sure the only reason we talk about it is that it's ongoing AND because, unlike these previous 'not-quite-a-series' show these aren't some Japan-only obscure thing you need to hunt down. Fortunately I suspect the show will eventually just fade from memory safe as a punchline to jokes.

Skritz wrote:I'm sure the only reason we talk about it is that it's ongoing AND because, unlike these previous 'not-quite-a-series' show these aren't some Japan-only obscure thing you need to hunt down. Fortunately I suspect the show will eventually just fade from memory safe as a punchline to jokes.

Plus its taking on a format that has evolved. A lot of people's primary entertainment has moved from television to their computers/phones/tablets where youtubers can now be as (in)famous as Johnny Depp. Plus, it has posters, interviews, comemrcials, all the things you associate to something moer prime time. So while I partly agree that its not fair to compare it to previous cartoons shown on television, I do see it as an attempt to bring a cartoon on a different platform where eventually we will have a show we can completely compare to cartoons of the past.

I do agree the lines between media on the Internet, and on TV (and home video) are going to get more blurred as time goes on. Cybermissions and RB Academy are really going to be challenging for me. Not only because They really might not offer anything in the way of entertainment value for a fan such as myself, but because they are 11 minute episodes (essentially the same as these Machinima series we are watching now). In times past, the 11 minute episodes have been released in pairs, to at least fill a 30 minute cable or network time slot (commercials included), but I know CN, which I have hated for many years, is going for more of a 2x15 or 4x15 feel. So you could conceivably get 4 completely different shows in 1 hour of time (although since half of their programming day is Teen Titans Go! ....it seems superfluous to me)...but...the precedent is there, and more shows seem to be following it. Sad to say...

william-james88 wrote:

Skritz wrote:I'm sure the only reason we talk about it is that it's ongoing AND because, unlike these previous 'not-quite-a-series' show these aren't some Japan-only obscure thing you need to hunt down. Fortunately I suspect the show will eventually just fade from memory safe as a punchline to jokes.

Plus its taking on a format that has evolved. A lot of people's primary entertainment has moved from television to their computers/phones/tablets where youtubers can now be as (in)famous as Johnny Depp. Plus, it has posters, interviews, comemrcials, all the things you associate to something moer prime time. So while I partly agree that its not fair to compare it to previous cartoons shown on television, I do see it as an attempt to bring a cartoon on a different platform where eventually we will have a show we can completely compare to cartoons of the past.

I don't think what Machinima tried to do was inherently a bad idea. If anything, it was a good idea. Unfortunately it seem no one on that team had a clue of wtf they were doing, resulting in an hilariously bad serie with terrible production value. Not only that but trying to ever-so-loosely adapt the Prime Wars trilogy and its many gimmicks (combiners, titan masters and inclusion of the Primes) was something utterly impossible to do with shoestring budget and an incompetent team.

In may ways, these Machinima show are the opposite of Beast Wars. Where BW was extremely limited in its time (especially compared to the G1 cartoon) the creators knew how to work around these limits. Can't animate anything too complex? Set the show in empty wilderness without humans and their cities. Can't animate or use too many characters from the toyline? Focus on a smaller cast and develop it well. The Prime Wars cartoon clearly did not take the time to look at what they COULD do and just did whatever they wanted, resulting in a sloppy show with terrible writing, pacing and...just about everything else. This is not a format which lend itself to massive, epic-scale stories.

They should have done a show with a smaller scope and written a plot around these limitations.

I think I could have developed a better storyline for three shows based around prime wars buy the limits on episode length and animation budget was a likely factor in what they tried to do and the end result. Here's the rub though was the animation style we got the best choice? Was it the cheapest? Or were they trying to look flashy? Maybe if they had gone 2d they could have accomplished more, unless they thought that fans would cry havoc over it not being in 3d.

3D animation is getting cheaper and while budget may excuse the show's limited animation it doesn't explain why the writing is so bad on every level.

ZeroWolf wrote:unless they thought that fans would cry havoc over it not being in 3d.

Maybe...I don't know. For what it's worth, I was really high on the concept initially. When you freeze frame some of the backgrounds, they actually do look really nice. Well they did in CW & TR. In PotP, we've just had swamp grass...but...

The last 2D TF animated series we had was...well... Animated (oddly enough), that ended almost a decade ago. Prime was pretty epic, but trying to do a movie sized story on a TV budget ultimately killed it, and RiD was just a "flashy" afterthought, that will ultimately be forgettable. I'd like things to go back to basic design, with basic 2D animation. Not CG, not Flash, not cell shaded or anything like that, just digital ink and paint, since hand drawn cells is a lost art.

I don't know because my kids have been raised on what I like, but are most kids these days so shallow that they would automatically dismiss a show if it was *traditional* animation, as opposed to all the alternatives?

The struggles of Transformers as a brand today have more to do with animation cost: action and story-driven shows are less and less popular with networks that play cartoons who prefer episodic 'comedy' shows. That and Transformers exist to advertise toys, which are less and less popular with the 'born-with-a-smartphone' generations.

Skritz wrote:action and story-driven shows are less and less popular with networks that play cartoons who prefer episodic 'comedy' shows. That and Transformers exist to advertise toys, which are less and less popular with the 'born-with-a-smartphone' generations.

All true points, and that makes me sad. On the Toys that Made us episode featuring Masters of the Universe, and they focused for a moment on the sheer beauty that was the 2002/03 animated series, and you could see the one producer almost cry when he said...."But it wasn't what kids wanted" (they didn't want an action based show, and the toys didn't sell well as a result)THAT is a darn shame. I know it to be true, but as a result we get the amazing 2011 Thunder cats canceled after 1 season and a vomit-educing *thing* (I cant even call it a series) that is supposed to be a new iteration of Thundercats coming soon.

I mean, I know Hasbro tried to throw us *adult fans* a bone with this Prime Wars Trilogy. Unfortunately it had rancid meat on it. If Hasbro however decides that the ony alternative is cute, SD, comedy with our Robots in Disguise, I guess I just have no place left in this fandom.

o.supreme wrote:

Skritz wrote:action and story-driven shows are less and less popular with networks that play cartoons who prefer episodic 'comedy' shows. That and Transformers exist to advertise toys, which are less and less popular with the 'born-with-a-smartphone' generations.

All true points, and that makes me sad. On the Toys that Made us episode featuring Masters of the Universe, and they focused for a moment on the sheer beauty that was the 2002/03 animated series, and you could see the one producer almost cry when he said...."But it wasn't what kids wanted" (they didn't want an action based show, and the toys didn't sell well as a result)THAT is a darn shame. I know it to be true, but as a result we get the amazing 2011 Thunder cats canceled after 1 season and a vomit-educing *thing* (I cant even call it a series) that is supposed to be a new iteration of Thundercats coming soon.

I mean, I know Hasbro tried to throw us *adult fans* a bone with this Prime Wars Trilogy. Unfortunately it had rancid meat on it. If Hasbro however decides that the ony alternative is cute, SD, comedy with our Robots in Disguise, I guess I just have no place left in this fandom.

Again, all good points. We can only hope something changes in the minds of kids and they start favouring action cartoons again bit the times are changing so fast now, I see it myself when I look at what my two kids are leaning towards. I just tell myself that I would be no different to them had I been born in this era

Also you would always have a place in the fandom as we can all grow old together remembering the good old days when the franchises biggest problems was trying to figure out if Frenzy was the Red or blue one. Besides, besides, any kids coming into the franchise will need the older folk to help them to understand why we went from beast machines to unicron trilogy.

ZeroWolf wrote:. I just tell myself that I would be no different to them had I been born in this era

You see I know I would be different. In the late 70's/early 80's there was an embargo of sorts against showing violence on kids cartoons. Now while a lot of those Hanna-Barbara toons of the time, and their kin , I can rightfully say were hilariously *Bad*, as in, not entertaining, I don't really find them offensive, as I do some of the shows of today. Still while my friends were watching Wacky Races, the Harlem-Globetrotters in Space, and Scooby-Doo, I was watching Star Blazers and Battle of the Planets so...

Something I wonder for this shitfest of a show: given they introduced Optimus Primal, will they A) show him somehow getting the Matrix given the toyline and fan-vote made him the 'New Prime' and B) will they show his Optimal Optimus form? I admit, there's a bit of a bile fascination here to see how badly they'll screw up Optimus Primal, given I grew up with Beast Wars and his upgrade to his Optimal form, while certainly cheesy, was kind of a high point for Beast Wars as a whole given it happened due to him risking his own life to temporarily become the vessel of Optimus Prime's spark.

Sure, he was always getting written out of fight due to how big and powerful a form it was, but it was always an impressive power up to look at given how it towered over every Maximal and Predacon and had quad-changer abilities. Now granted, his new toy lack the ground vehicle mode but he does regain the 'surf monkey' form, which is neat.

Or maybe I just want to see this form again because I'm quite nostalgic about it and its kickass toy.

The chosen one has risen!

So random question ... who's down for a DVD/BR release of the whole trilogy?
I know I am ... because I have OCD and feel it not being released would mean my DVD/BR Transformers collection would be incomplete.

So question, is Rodimus Cron still voiced by Judd Nelson in this episode?