More Transformers: Fall of Cybertron Footage - Starscream and Warpath

What the hell was with that last Metroplex missile attack?

It looked like it missed the target/did barely any damage, and the enemy wasn't even that far from the attack...

The rest looks great, and I'm only getting more excited to play this.

Lol @ Starscream's Assassination technique.
I think High Moon understands the concept of TF, and I have faith that they are taking the series in a better direction than what Bay did.
He was political about his opinions of Bay. But I'm really curious to hear what he has to say about the movies.
I agree the sound effects and mechanical design were gr8 in Bay.
I wish now for the 4th movie, to have some elements that are from FOC.
But I think I've heard so much of Matt's sales pitch, I just want to buy this game asap, I won't even have an Xbox and I'm going to buy the game!

One thing that I didn't like in previous vids, was Slag's voice was not how it used to be.

Definitely agree with Tieger on Bay's trilogy; the sound work is phenomenal! (Though, despite the originality, I did notice in ROTF a 'Star Wars podracer engine' from Devastator and Prime's rapid-firing from both cannons reused the Terminator Plasma Rifle firing! Hehe) Also I love how the transforming sounds in WfC/Foc sound a bit more 'clean' and 'digitized' than the film-transformations. ^^

(And I know this is slightly off topic but) I wonder what the plan is with the FoC toy line...Because it seems like they're only releasing certain characters to justify their popularity. If so, hopefully they'll do more after the game's release...

Because if Hasbro don't give us the FoC dinobots, I'm going to Grimlock-Out! XD

budmaloney wrote:One thing that I didn't like in previous vids, was Slag's voice was not how it used to be.

But Slag did sound like that in at least "War of the Dinobots".

Is there split-screen for FOC? Me and my brother used to complain about this on WFC?

This game is gonna be AWESOME!!!

Aggrobot wrote:Is there split-screen for FOC? Me and my brother used to complain about this on WFC?

I doubt it in escalation mode. There's no co-op in the campaign

Aggrobot wrote:Is there split-screen for FOC? Me and my brother used to complain about this on WFC?

Don't count on it. Fall of Cybertron is no longer a co-op campaign experience. Co-op has been sacrificed for greater narrative.

Those stealth kills of Starscream's are pretty badass. I'm not a fan of those one-size-fits-all force fields. I'm finding them quite distracting when they recharge every few seconds and engulf half the screen. Visually it looks like a vast improvement over WFC.

I don't mind that they've changed Slag's voice from what it was in G1, but I don't like that he now sounds like some pompous knob.

To quote Knock Out, "I think I leaked a little lubricant."

budmaloney wrote:Lol @ Starscream's Assassination technique.
I think High Moon understands the concept of TF, and I have faith that they are taking the series in a better direction than what Bay did.
He was political about his opinions of Bay. But I'm really curious to hear what he has to say about the movies.
I agree the sound effects and mechanical design were gr8 in Bay.
I wish now for the 4th movie, to have some elements that are from FOC.
But I think I've heard so much of Matt's sales pitch, I just want to buy this game asap, I won't even have an Xbox and I'm going to buy the game!

One thing that I didn't like in previous vids, was Slag's voice was not how it used to be.

What do you mean not how it used to be, this is the first time we see and hear the Prime continuity Slag.

Dead Metal wrote:What do you mean not how it used to be, this is the first time we see and hear the Prime continuity Slag.

He means Slug's voice doesn't sound like an homage to G1 Slag's voice.

Though, G1 Slag did sound like that in "War of the Dinobots".

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:What do you mean not how it used to be, this is the first time we see and hear the Prime continuity Slag.

He means Slug's voice doesn't sound like an homage to G1 Slag's voice.

I know what he meant, and if you read my comment I point out how this is not G1 but Prime Slag so he can sound how ever the hell he wants to.
And yes, I was being a smart-ass asshole on purpose. Should be common knowledge by now that this isn't G1.

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:What do you mean not how it used to be, this is the first time we see and hear the Prime continuity Slag.

He means Slug's voice doesn't sound like an homage to G1 Slag's voice.

I know what he meant, and if you read my comment I point out how this is not G1 but Prime Slag so he can sound how ever the hell he wants to.
And yes, I was being a smart-ass asshole on purpose. Should be common knowledge by now that this isn't G1.

Sadly.

The Transformers: Fall of Cybertron footage continues to roll in from E3. Below we gameplay clips of Grimlock and Megatron, Escalation mode demo, and another Matt Tieger interview discussing design and special abilities.

Transformers: Fall of Cybertron rolls out on August 28th!

Teletraan 1 accidentally refers to Optimus Prime as Orion Pax courtesy of GameSpot


Grimlock gameplay courtesy of FanboltGaming


Megatron gameplay courtesy of MrN0M3RcY96


Escalation gameplay courtesy of soundwavejordan


Design and abilities interview with Matt Tieger courtesy of GameTrailers

Those videos just looks so great, to bad that the video from the Escalation mode lags hell...

cool can't wait to play as ............... drum roll please





CLIFFJUMPER THE DWAYNE JOHNSON GUY

damnit Megatron has the same voice actor as the last one, was hoping they'd replace him.

Did optimus call in an air strike? How metal is THAT.

in the gametrailers vid, the "Excuse me!" scene almost makes me forget that I've heard "What is it that makes a Transformers game, Transformers? Transforming, right? I know it sounds silly but..." about a thousand times now.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:cool can't wait to play as ............... drum roll please





CLIFFJUMPER THE DWAYNE JOHNSON GUY

Voiced by none other than ............... drum roll please





NOLAN NORTH

Found the remix. It was hard to track it down until recently.

Okay... So why aren't all the Navi in the Grimlock footage telling Grimlock to listen and why didn't he kill them?

#Sideways# wrote:Okay... So why aren't all the Navi in the Grimlock footage telling Grimlock to listen and why didn't he kill them?

I was trying SO HARD not to make a joke about that, but...
DAMMIT! Why is Grimlock in the Lost Woods!?

The posted Escalation gameplay appears to be a lower quality, cropped version of the one posted via GameInformer a couple days ago.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/ ... video.aspx
:S
http://youtu.be/qQUsBex1n-o

Dead Metal wrote:Should be common knowledge by now that this isn't G1.

Tell that to Matt Tieger, who blatantly said in one of this year's E3 interviews that Fall of Cybertron tells the story that leads up to G1.

For all we know, WFC/FoC's continuity branches off into both an Aligned continuity and a new Primax continuity. But official sources don't seem to be decided about what's what right now.

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Should be common knowledge by now that this isn't G1.

Tell that to Matt Tieger, who blatantly said in one of this year's E3 interviews that Fall of Cybertron tells the story that leads up to G1.

For all we know, WFC/FoC's continuity branches off into both an Aligned continuity and a new Primax continuity. But official sources don't seem to be decided about what's what right now.

In this video interview, the interviewer asks Tieger about that:

Greg Miller: "For you, I mean, when you guys are sitting down and coming up with the story and planning it, are you setting it in the cartoon universe, or it is your own universe but heavily influenced by--?"
Matt Tieger: *clears throat* "I think, wha-- The latter is accurate. We generally use the G1 cartoon as our primary touchstone, but we also look at comics-- Uh, some of the older comics I really enjoyed, particularly the UK comics, actually, were very very good."
Greg Miller: *Jokingly emulates a British Optimus Prime, then stops*
Matt Tieger: "Um, so we do look at tons and tons of source material, but, at the end of the day, we do kind of carve our own path."

So, he does recognize that it's not the same universe as the G1 cartoon, and in other interviews, he's talked about how the game is part of the greater current canon of the "bible" that Hasbro recently put together, which constitutes the Aligned Continuity.

Sabrblade wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Should be common knowledge by now that this isn't G1.

Tell that to Matt Tieger, who blatantly said in one of this year's E3 interviews that Fall of Cybertron tells the story that leads up to G1.

For all we know, WFC/FoC's continuity branches off into both an Aligned continuity and a new Primax continuity. But official sources don't seem to be decided about what's what right now.

In this video interview, the interviewer asks Tieger about that:

Greg Miller: "For you, I mean, when you guys are sitting down and coming up with the story and planning it, are you setting it in the cartoon universe, or it is your own universe but heavily influenced by--?"
Matt Tieger: *clears throat* "I think, wha-- The latter is accurate. We generally use the G1 cartoon as our primary touchstone, but we also look at comics-- Uh, some of the older comics I really enjoyed, particularly the UK comics, actually, were very very good."
Greg Miller: *Jokingly emulates a British Optimus Prime, then stops*
Matt Tieger: "Um, so we do look at tons and tons of source material, but, at the end of the day, we do kind of carve our own path."

So, he does recognize that it's not the same universe as the G1 cartoon, and in other interviews, he's talked about how the game is part of the greater current canon of the "bible" that Hasbro recently put together, which constitutes the Aligned Continuity.

That doesn't contradict anything I said. But I'm sure he did tell them in one of those interviews that "it leads straight into G1".

Also, we still don't know if Aligned is meant to be one continuity, or many. Evidence isn't lining up to just one conclusion here.

Edit: In this interview, Matt clearly states that "it ends at the beginning of G1".

orangeitis wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Should be common knowledge by now that this isn't G1.

Tell that to Matt Tieger, who blatantly said in one of this year's E3 interviews that Fall of Cybertron tells the story that leads up to G1.

For all we know, WFC/FoC's continuity branches off into both an Aligned continuity and a new Primax continuity. But official sources don't seem to be decided about what's what right now.

In this video interview, the interviewer asks Tieger about that:

Greg Miller: "For you, I mean, when you guys are sitting down and coming up with the story and planning it, are you setting it in the cartoon universe, or it is your own universe but heavily influenced by--?"
Matt Tieger: *clears throat* "I think, wha-- The latter is accurate. We generally use the G1 cartoon as our primary touchstone, but we also look at comics-- Uh, some of the older comics I really enjoyed, particularly the UK comics, actually, were very very good."
Greg Miller: *Jokingly emulates a British Optimus Prime, then stops*
Matt Tieger: "Um, so we do look at tons and tons of source material, but, at the end of the day, we do kind of carve our own path."

So, he does recognize that it's not the same universe as the G1 cartoon, and in other interviews, he's talked about how the game is part of the greater current canon of the "bible" that Hasbro recently put together, which constitutes the Aligned Continuity.

That doesn't contradict anything I said. But I'm sure he did tell them in one of those interviews that "it leads straight into G1".

Also, we still don't know if Aligned is meant to be one continuity, or many. Evidence isn't lining up to just one conclusion here.

Edit: In this interview, Matt clearly states that "it ends at the beginning of G1".

Matt Tieger wrote:It ends, kind of ... at the beginning of G1, in the sense that you are, eh the Autobots and Decepticons have been at war for a long time period. They don't even know where they're headed ultimately we know that they end up on earth.

He says kind of, just like all other Transformers stories kinda have the same premise.
But tell me this, if this is supposed to be G1, please tell me why Bumblebee can talk in all incarnations of G1, while this game tells the story of why he's mute in Transformers Prime?

Dead Metal wrote:But tell me this, if this is supposed to be G1, please tell me why Bumblebee can talk in all incarnations of G1, while this game tells the story of why he's mute in Transformers Prime?

For the same reason Lugnut is in a G1 continuity now.

Are you saying the Bay films are in Prime continuity because 'Bee is mute in them?

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:But tell me this, if this is supposed to be G1, please tell me why Bumblebee can talk in all incarnations of G1, while this game tells the story of why he's mute in Transformers Prime?

For the same reason Lugnut is in a G1 continuity now.

Are you saying the Bay films are in Prime continuity because 'Bee is mute in them?

No, the statement is this:
The game shows us how Prime Bumblebee losses his ability to speak. Remember, War For Cybertron was set in the Prime/ Aligned continuity it's only logical that the sequel to it is also set in the Prime continuity.
We've been over this for the past two years, War for Cybertron is part of the Prime continuity not G1.
Arguing against that makes you on par with the kind of people who believe that Reptoids have been simultaneously guiding and working towards destroying our species for the past 10 thousand years or so.

A thirteen and a half minute video on Escalation and I still don't have an answer to the biggest question on my mind: will FoC Escalation give the player points for assists?

It's the single biggest, most retarded aspect of the co-op mode. All that talk of working together, of talking to each other, of spending points together, but you can't earn points together. I'm royally f**ked off with using a third of my ammunition taking on a Titan only to lose the kill to some asshole who's been hidden in a corner somewhere waiting for things to quieten down.

Another article on wfc:
http://gamerant.com/transformers-fall-o ... ao-154197/
This one by text.

lolz at the Cliffjumper typo as well.

Dead Metal wrote:No, the statement is this:
The game shows us how Prime Bumblebee losses his ability to speak. Remember, War For Cybertron was set in the Prime/ Aligned continuity it's only logical that the sequel to it is also set in the Prime continuity.

Again, we don't know if Aligned is even one continuity yet, or many.

I'm not saying WFC/FoC isn't in the aligned continuity family, I'm saying that the G1 continuity family might share WFC/FoC with Aligned. It's more than possible. Remember, stranger things HAVE happened in the Transformers franchise.

Dead Metal wrote:We've been over this for the past two years, War for Cybertron is part of the Prime continuity not G1.

We've been "over this" because both sides have evidence that WFC/FoC are in each respective continuity family. What you're trying to do is ignore contradicting evidence and claim that everything points to your conclusion.

I'm not necessarily on the "WFC=G1" side. I'm just trying to be reasonable here.

Dead Metal wrote:Arguing against that makes you on par with the kind of people who believe that Reptoids have been simultaneously guiding and working towards destroying our species for the past 10 thousand years or so.

Yeah... no.

Sodan-1 wrote:A thirteen and a half minute video on Escalation and I still don't have an answer to the biggest question on my mind: will FoC Escalation give the player points for assists?

It's the single biggest, most retarded aspect of the co-op mode. All that talk of working together, of talking to each other, of spending points together, but you can't earn points together. I'm royally f**ked off with using a third of my ammunition taking on a Titan only to lose the kill to some asshole who's been hidden in a corner somewhere waiting for things to quieten down.

I know that feel bro.

Still, I'm pretty good in Escalation (if I do say so myself, placed around 100 in the leaderboards so either nerd or fan or kinda good). But that isn't my biggest annoyance, that is reserved for the weapon stealers. If you don't have the best connection you have to press "use" after you bought the gun to pick it up. And there are trolls that steal the gun you bought. You just have to be alone at a shop to buy stuff, never let anyone close.

But even more annoying is those trolls that go outside of the map and continue to play so that the match doesn't end. Those kids that say they "know a way out of the map". Sure, everybody knows that by now, just don't do it play normal and show some skill

Anyway, Escalation is the only reason I still play the game almost ever since the launch. It's so great to play an iconic character with 3 others and just battle hordes of enemies.

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:No, the statement is this:
The game shows us how Prime Bumblebee losses his ability to speak. Remember, War For Cybertron was set in the Prime/ Aligned continuity it's only logical that the sequel to it is also set in the Prime continuity.

Again, we don't know if Aligned is even one continuity yet, or many.

Hasbro says it's one continuity.

orangeitis wrote:I'm not saying WFC/FoC isn't in the aligned continuity family, I'm saying that the G1 continuity family might share WFC/FoC with Aligned. It's more than possible. Remember, stranger things HAVE happened in the Transformers franchise.

Dead Metal wrote:We've been over this for the past two years, War for Cybertron is part of the Prime continuity not G1.

We've been "over this" because both sides have evidence that WFC/FoC are in each respective continuity family. What you're trying to do is ignore contradicting evidence and claim that everything points to your conclusion.

No sorry, you're confusing me with you, I'm not stating that everything points to "my" conclusion, I'm saying it points to the official conclusion.

You're ignoring the official word and the inconsistencies WFC and FOC have with all G1 continuities, which are even larger than the the ones it has with Prime, especially considering that Prime even has an episode devoted to retelling the main story points of WFC as its history.


Almost every incarnation of G1 has had its own history via stories set in those times or flashbacks, or even history footage from those times.
WFC jives with non of them.

You could make a better case of Animated sharing the same history as G1 due to the "history video" easter egg in the first episode, but please don't restart that one.

Here have it from Archer at a BotCon panel from last year.
http://www.seibertron.com/news/index.ph ... _sponors=y
Scroll down to Modern Continuity.

orangeitis wrote:I'm not necessarily on the "WFC=G1" side. I'm just trying to be reasonable here.

Erm, no actually not. Yes there are inconsistencies but looking at the points from earlier, well.

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Arguing against that makes you on par with the kind of people who believe that Reptoids have been simultaneously guiding and working towards destroying our species for the past 10 thousand years or so.

Yeah... no.

I'm sorry, it does.

Dead Metal wrote:No sorry, you're confusing me with you,

Chill out, no need to be hostile. =D

Dead Metal wrote:I'm not stating that everything points to "my" conclusion, I'm saying it points to the official conclusion.

It's still your conclusion. You merely share it with Hasbro.

Dead Metal wrote:You're ignoring the official word and the inconsistencies WFC and FOC have with all G1 continuities, which are even larger than the the ones it has with Prime, especially considering that Prime even has an episode devoted to retelling the main story points of WFC as its history.

I'm not ignoring Hasbro's word, I'm simply acknowledging that inconsistencies take precedent in saying that the fictions are in different continuities over Hasbro's word. The similarities of the different fictions is irrelevant.

Dead Metal wrote:Almost every incarnation of G1 has had its own history via stories set in those times or flashbacks, or even history footage from those times.
WFC jives with non of them.

That doesn't matter to the issue here.

Dead Metal wrote:You could make a better case of Animated sharing the same history as G1 due to the "history video" easter egg in the first episode, but please don't restart that one.

Isn't Animated a G1 universe though? That was my understanding. Then again, I haven't watched it enough to come to a solid viewpoint yet.

Dead Metal wrote:Here have it from Archer at a BotCon panel from last year.
http://www.seibertron.com/news/index.ph ... _sponors=y
Scroll down to Modern Continuity.

I'm well aware what they said. But again, it's irrelevant.

Dead Metal wrote:

orangeitis wrote:I'm not necessarily on the "WFC=G1" side. I'm just trying to be reasonable here.

Erm, no actually not. Yes there are inconsistencies but looking at the points from earlier, well.

Yes, I am trying to be reasonable. You seem like you're assuming that I'm not because you don't agree with my open-minded view.

I'm not trying to say that Exodus/Exiles, WFC/FoC, or Prime isn't set in the same universe. I'm saying that it's very unlikely from a continuity perspective, and that(from what Matt Tieger said about it leading into G1) WFC/FoC could also be set in a new G1 universe, where the timeline branches out.

Dead Metal wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Arguing against that makes you on par with the kind of people who believe that Reptoids have been simultaneously guiding and working towards destroying our species for the past 10 thousand years or so.

Yeah... no.

I'm sorry, it does.

No, it does not. I'm presenting logic and evidence for my case. You have just made a claim that doesn't make any sense. Reptiles aren't sapient, so they are incapable of actively wanting to destroy the human species. Your reasoning is becoming increasingly irrational.

Just because you don't understand the other side's view don't mean that their view is as flawed as you perceive it to be. It just means that you're arguing without investigation, and are ignorant to the logic of the one(s) you're talking to. The very fact that you made such a comparison is evidence that you're being unreasonable, and if you're not gonna take your side of the issue on faith and refuse to take the time to understand, then you've already lost the argument.

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:You could make a better case of Animated sharing the same history as G1 due to the "history video" easter egg in the first episode, but please don't restart that one.

Isn't Animated a G1 universe though? That was my understanding. Then again, I haven't watched it enough to come to a solid viewpoint yet.

I've seen you use the term "Primax" to refer to G1-related media. Animated has its own universal cluster called "Malgus", which is very much separate from Primax.

Sabrblade wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:You could make a better case of Animated sharing the same history as G1 due to the "history video" easter egg in the first episode, but please don't restart that one.

Isn't Animated a G1 universe though? That was my understanding. Then again, I haven't watched it enough to come to a solid viewpoint yet.

I've seen you use the term "Primax" to refer to G1-related media. Animated has its own universal cluster called "Malgus", which is very much separate from Primax.

Ah, that's right. Thanks for clearing that up. =)

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:I'm not stating that everything points to "my" conclusion, I'm saying it points to the official conclusion.

It's still your conclusion. You merely share it with Hasbro.

No it's only my conclusion because it comes from the people who make Transformers. I mean how can you just completely ignore the word of those who are responsible for the thing we're debating here?
That's like going up to a family and argue against them belonging together, just because you first thought that their children where those of the neighbours.

Hasbro wrote up the new aligned bible as something new, a new starting off point to be used from now on, if they say it's not connected to G1 then it damn well isn't.

Dead Metal wrote:You're ignoring the official word and the inconsistencies WFC and FOC have with all G1 continuities, which are even larger than the the ones it has with Prime, especially considering that Prime even has an episode devoted to retelling the main story points of WFC as its history.

I'm not ignoring Hasbro's word, I'm simply acknowledging that inconsistencies take precedent in saying that the fictions are in different continuities over Hasbro's word. The similarities of the different fictions is irrelevant.

So just cos it's inconsistant means it voids HAsbro's word?
Cool, that means that every episode of the old G1 cartoon are their own continuities and have no real connection to each other.

Dead Metal wrote:Almost every incarnation of G1 has had its own history via stories set in those times or flashbacks, or even history footage from those times.
WFC jives with non of them.

That doesn't matter to the issue here.

It does, because you're trying to make it fit in.

Dead Metal wrote:You could make a better case of Animated sharing the same history as G1 due to the "history video" easter egg in the first episode, but please don't restart that one.

Isn't Animated a G1 universe though? That was my understanding. Then again, I haven't watched it enough to come to a solid viewpoint yet.

I don't even want to comment on that one.

Dead Metal wrote:Here have it from Archer at a BotCon panel from last year.
http://www.seibertron.com/news/index.ph ... _sponors=y
Scroll down to Modern Continuity.

I'm well aware what they said. But again, it's irrelevant.

I'll save this for later, it comes in handy.

Dead Metal wrote:

orangeitis wrote:I'm not necessarily on the "WFC=G1" side. I'm just trying to be reasonable here.

Erm, no actually not. Yes there are inconsistencies but looking at the points from earlier, well.

Yes, I am trying to be reasonable. You seem like you're assuming that I'm not because you don't agree with my open-minded view.

I'm not trying to say that Exodus/Exiles, WFC/FoC, or Prime isn't set in the same universe. I'm saying that it's very unlikely from a continuity perspective, and that(from what Matt Tieger said about it leading into G1) WFC/FoC could also be set in a new G1 universe, where the timeline branches out.
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This is where the point from earlier comes into play, you know the one where you state that what the creators say is irrelevant. How come Matt Tieger has more validly to you than the guys whose work and ideas it's based off? Remember, WFC and FOC are adaptations of the same source material as Exodus and Exiles.


It's not open-minded, it's insane. You can't make something fit for something it wasn't intended to. Hey how about we'll throw in the idea that WFC can also be shared by the Movie universe, although the movies and their material completely contradict it.

But hey, we're all open-minded here who says that WFC doesn't branch out into Prime, G1, Movie, RID, Armada, hell it could actually also be the back story to Ghostbusters and Go-Bots.

Dead Metal wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Arguing against that makes you on par with the kind of people who believe that Reptoids have been simultaneously guiding and working towards destroying our species for the past 10 thousand years or so.

Yeah... no.

I'm sorry, it does.

No, it does not. I'm presenting logic and evidence for my case. You have just made a claim that doesn't make any sense. Reptiles aren't sapient, so they are incapable of actively wanting to destroy the human species. Your reasoning is becoming increasingly irrational.

You have just explained to me the point of the comparison I made. Because, there are people who believe everything that's on this page and that's who I compared you to.

Just because you don't understand the other side's view don't mean that their view is as flawed as you perceive it to be. It just means that you're arguing without investigation, and are ignorant to the logic of the one(s) you're talking to. The very fact that you made such a comparison is evidence that you're being unreasonable, and if you're not gonna take your side of the issue on faith and refuse to take the time to understand, then you've already lost the argument.

No no no no, I at first too though that WFC was a new G1, but it doesn't fit at all.
Adding to that that Tieger is always so eager to say "This is the first time that the history of the Transformers had been told" further proves that this can't be G1.
The G1 continuities have their own histories, that have all been told, heck the histories are part of their incarnations. That alone completely negates this as being the back story to any version of G1 ever.

Also, trying to figure out where something fits while ignoring the facts laid down by the frigen owners and creators is being unreasonable.

Also, that line of just taking faith and believing your side of the argument based on it, actually makes you the looser of the argument, you should look up what faith means before you try to use it as an argument winner.

Couldn't WFC also be the background for the Movies? Excluding the design aesthetic. Theres seems to be enough vagueness in the movies backgrounds to just attach them to WFC. Prime and Megatron used to be brothers, etc etc, last of the primes, etc, and then WFC is supposed to be connected to Prime, and then Prime is sort of supposed to be connected to the movies or some crap? Seems like such a mess.

Wait, why do I care about the movies.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Couldn't WFC also be the background for the Movies? Couldn't WFC also be the background for the Movies? Excluding the design aesthetic. Theres seems to be enough vagueness in the movies backgrounds to just attach them to WFC.

"Movie Prequel", "Defiance", "Tales of the Fallen", and "Foundation" say otherwise.

MINDVVIPE wrote:and then Prime is sort of supposed to be connected to the movies or some crap?

Prime has no ties to the movies.

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Couldn't WFC also be the background for the Movies? Couldn't WFC also be the background for the Movies? Excluding the design aesthetic. Theres seems to be enough vagueness in the movies backgrounds to just attach them to WFC.

"Movie Prequel", "Defiance", "Tales of the Fallen", and "Foundation" say otherwise.

MINDVVIPE wrote:and then Prime is sort of supposed to be connected to the movies or some crap?

Prime has no ties to the movies.

Gotcha. There is that one point someone brought up, about dark energon from WFC being different from Prime. How does that roll? is that just a flaw that Hasbro sorta overlooks for storytelling purposes and the 2 (prime and WFC) are connected regardless? Sorry if these questions seem simple compared to the crazy debate just previous, but I wanted to keep things simple as much as possible with all the crazy different things people are saying.

MINDVVIPE wrote:There is that one point someone brought up, about dark energon from WFC being different from Prime. How does that roll? is that just a flaw that Hasbro sorta overlooks for storytelling purposes and the 2 (prime and WFC) are connected regardless? Sorry if these questions seem simple compared to the crazy debate just previous, but I wanted to keep things simple as much as possible with all the crazy different things people are saying.

It was stated at BotCon 2011 that the differing effects between the Dark Energon of the games/books and the Dark Energon of the cartoon were due to the different time periods. Present-day Dark Energon acts differently from ancient Dark Energon, though both still hold the same corrupting properties.

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:There is that one point someone brought up, about dark energon from WFC being different from Prime. How does that roll? is that just a flaw that Hasbro sorta overlooks for storytelling purposes and the 2 (prime and WFC) are connected regardless? Sorry if these questions seem simple compared to the crazy debate just previous, but I wanted to keep things simple as much as possible with all the crazy different things people are saying.

It was stated at BotCon 2011 that the differing effects between the Dark Energon of the games/books and the Dark Energon of the cartoon were due to the different time periods. Present-day Dark Energon acts differently from ancient Dark Energon, though both still hold the same corrupting properties.

Elves did it, gotcha.
I don't need so much reasoning to enjoy it anyway, just curious. Thanks.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Elves did it, gotcha.

Dead Metal wrote:No it's only my conclusion because it comes from the people who make Transformers. I mean how can you just completely ignore the word of those who are responsible for the thing we're debating here?
That's like going up to a family and argue against them belonging together, just because you first thought that their children where those of the neighbours.

This part right here demonstrates that you don't understand my position on this. Your analogy is far from accurate.

First of all, I'm not ignoring what Hasbro is saying. I'm merely acknowledging what Matt Tieger(you know, the one who's in charge of creating the WFC/FoC games), and considering his word to be just as official as, say, Aaron Archer, when it comes to WFC and FoC.

Dead Metal wrote:Hasbro wrote up the new aligned bible as something new, a new starting off point to be used from now on, if they say it's not connected to G1 then it damn well isn't.

Well I disagree, as Hasbro didn't make the games up themselves.

Dead Metal wrote:So just cos it's inconsistant means it voids HAsbro's word?
Cool, that means that every episode of the old G1 cartoon are their own continuities and have no real connection to each other.

In a narrow sense, but I don't mean that narrow of a sense. If that were true, certain chapters of Exodus would be in separate continuities with other chapters. I'm merely referring to major events, like how and when Megatron met Starscream, which is different in Exodus compared to the WFC meeting.

Dead Metal wrote:Almost every incarnation of G1 has had its own history via stories set in those times or flashbacks, or even history footage from those times.
WFC jives with non of them.

Not to you, at least.

Dead Metal wrote:It does, because you're trying to make it fit in.

I'm not "trying" to fit anything in anywhere. I give credit to where credit is due, and I care about the truth. You seem to want to disregard one official word for another... I wish to accept both, if they weren't in contradiction.

Dead Metal wrote:This is where the point from earlier comes into play, you know the one where you state that what the creators say is irrelevant. How come Matt Tieger has more validly to you than the guys whose work and ideas it's based off? Remember, WFC and FOC are adaptations of the same source material as Exodus and Exiles.

WFC and FoC were meant to be based from G1. This is what Matt Tieger wanted.

Dead Metal wrote:It's not open-minded, it's insane. You can't make something fit for something it wasn't intended to. Hey how about we'll throw in the idea that WFC can also be shared by the Movie universe, although the movies and their material completely contradict it.

It's not insane. Again, you simply just don't understand it.

Dead Metal wrote:But hey, we're all open-minded here who says that WFC doesn't branch out into Prime, G1, Movie, RID, Armada, hell it could actually also be the back story to Ghostbusters and Go-Bots.

Because it wasn't meant to be a prequel to anything except G1.

Open-mindedness does not mean you should accept every viewpoint no matter how irrational. It means accepting evidence, and avoiding faith, which by definition, is a belief in something in spite of contradicting evidence.

Dead Metal wrote:No no no no, I at first too though that WFC was a new G1, but it doesn't fit at all.
Adding to that that Tieger is always so eager to say "This is the first time that the history of the Transformers had been told" further proves that this can't be G1.
The G1 continuities have their own histories, that have all been told, heck the histories are part of their incarnations. That alone completely negates this as being the back story to any version of G1 ever.

If assuming you're correct, then the contradiction there would be that Exodus too is telling of the same history, thus still rendering that untrue.

I'm not going to jump to a conclusion and assume what he means though, because I don't know.

Dead Metal wrote:Also, trying to figure out where something fits while ignoring the facts laid down by the frigen owners and creators is being unreasonable.

Indeed it is, I agree 100%. But Matt Tieger is a creator of the work in question, so by that, he should count too.

Dead Metal wrote:Also, that line of just taking faith and believing your side of the argument based on it, actually makes you the looser of the argument, you should look up what faith means before you try to use it as an argument winner.

[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]I have no faith. If I'm presented with enough evidence, I'll believe the evidence provided. But if two contradicting evidences are provided, I'm not just going to cling to one of them.


I'll ask you this: Do you think that what Matt Tieger says should be taken as official? Why or why not?

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Dead Metal wrote:No it's only my conclusion because it comes from the people who make Transformers. I mean how can you just completely ignore the word of those who are responsible for the thing we're debating here?
That's like going up to a family and argue against them belonging together, just because you first thought that their children where those of the neighbours.

This part right here demonstrates that you don't understand my position on this. Your analogy is far from accurate.

First of all, I'm not ignoring what Hasbro is saying. I'm merely acknowledging what Matt Tieger(you know, the one who's in charge of creating the WFC/FoC games), and considering his word to be just as official as, say, Aaron Archer, when it comes to WFC and FoC.

Here he clearly states that it's for the new universe going forward.

You also have to take into account that in the video where he says it kinda leads into G1, that the guy he was talking to has no idea of what Prime is.

Dead Metal wrote:Hasbro wrote up the new aligned bible as something new, a new starting off point to be used from now on, if they say it's not connected to G1 then it damn well isn't.

Well I disagree, as Hasbro didn't make the games up themselves.

They did however create the Aligned continuity "Bible", of which WFC and FOC is an adaptation of.
The only times Matt mentions G1 is in explanations about the designs and inspiration, and well to better make people understand what he's talking about.

Dead Metal wrote:So just cos it's inconsistant means it voids HAsbro's word?
Cool, that means that every episode of the old G1 cartoon are their own continuities and have no real connection to each other.

In a narrow sense, but I don't mean that narrow of a sense. If that were true, certain chapters of Exodus would be in separate continuities with other chapters. I'm merely referring to major events, like how and when Megatron met Starscream, which is different in Exodus compared to the WFC meeting.

Yes, Exodus is also inconsistent in and of itself, Starscream being introduced as a Scientist and then later somehow lacking scientific knowledge.

Simply put, that's what you get when different teams work on the same material, take a look at Maximum Carnage if you want another good example of inconsistencies in a continuity.

Dead Metal wrote:Almost every incarnation of G1 has had its own history via stories set in those times or flashbacks, or even history footage from those times.
WFC jives with non of them.

Not to you, at least.

Oh but to you? Tell me more.

Dead Metal wrote:It does, because you're trying to make it fit in.

I'm not "trying" to fit anything in anywhere. I give credit to where credit is due, and I care about the truth. You seem to want to disregard one official word for another... I wish to accept both, if they weren't in contradiction.

As said before, Matt Tieger said himself that it's for the new material.

Dead Metal wrote:This is where the point from earlier comes into play, you know the one where you state that what the creators say is irrelevant. How come Matt Tieger has more validly to you than the guys whose work and ideas it's based off? Remember, WFC and FOC are adaptations of the same source material as Exodus and Exiles.

WFC and FoC were meant to be based from G1. This is what Matt Tieger wanted.

Not what Hasbro wanted, and seeing how the games are simply adaptations of the Prime universe backstory written by Hasbro, well.

Also, where do you get this from that Tieger wanted it that way, from that one interview, while ignoring all other interviews and press releases Tieger had?

Dead Metal wrote:It's not open-minded, it's insane. You can't make something fit for something it wasn't intended to. Hey how about we'll throw in the idea that WFC can also be shared by the Movie universe, although the movies and their material completely contradict it.

It's not insane. Again, you simply just don't understand it.

Then try to make me understand, tell me exactly how all previous G1 fiction allows for the existence of WFC and FOC as their history.

Dead Metal wrote:But hey, we're all open-minded here who says that WFC doesn't branch out into Prime, G1, Movie, RID, Armada, hell it could actually also be the back story to Ghostbusters and Go-Bots.

Because it wasn't meant to be a prequel to anything except G1.

Wrong, it was commissioned as the back story for Aligned, you're trying to make it fit for both, which is trying to keep the cake while also eating it.

How about you prove to me that WFC isn't also the back story to the Movies, Armada and Ghostbusters?
Just because you don't understand my point that goes against official word doesn't make it any less valid.

Open-mindedness does not mean you should accept every viewpoint no matter how irrational. It means accepting evidence, and avoiding faith, which by definition, is a belief in something in spite of contradicting evidence.

So if you know what faith means, why did you say that I needed faith to believe your point?
How about the contradicting evidence of this being in G1? Or wait, no that doesn't count for you does it.

Dead Metal wrote:No no no no, I at first too though that WFC was a new G1, but it doesn't fit at all.
Adding to that that Tieger is always so eager to say "This is the first time that the history of the Transformers had been told" further proves that this can't be G1.
The G1 continuities have their own histories, that have all been told, heck the histories are part of their incarnations. That alone completely negates this as being the back story to any version of G1 ever.

If assuming you're correct, then the contradiction there would be that Exodus too is telling of the same history, thus still rendering that untrue.

Yes it's a telling of the same history, and they both contradict each other, this is due to them being made at the same time by different people, using older/ never versions of the same material. Just like comic and novel adaptations of Movies, they have to be released at about the same time as the movie they're based on so they work with older scripts, and very often they won't get any updated material.

I'm not going to jump to a conclusion and assume what he means though, because I don't know.

But you already have, in fact that's your rebuttal to a lot of my points.

Dead Metal wrote:Also, trying to figure out where something fits while ignoring the facts laid down by the frigen owners and creators is being unreasonable.

Indeed it is, I agree 100%. But Matt Tieger is a creator of the work in question, so by that, he should count too.

Again, that was one interview, with someone who only knows the old stuff and the movies, out of many official interviews and statements.

Dead Metal wrote:Also, that line of just taking faith and believing your side of the argument based on it, actually makes you the looser of the argument, you should look up what faith means before you try to use it as an argument winner.

[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]I have no faith. If I'm presented with enough evidence, I'll believe the evidence provided. But if two contradicting evidences are provided, I'm not just going to cling to one of them.
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There is no evidence that this is part of G1, unless a new G1 universe shows up and uses WFC as its history.
There is also the special G1 download pack, that comes with G1 skins, you know the one that's advertised with "relive history with the G1 pack".
If this would fit in or bee the back story to G1, wouldn't it be advertised as "Earth-mode pack"?

I'll ask you this: Do you think that what Matt Tieger says should be taken as official? Why or why not?

Yes it should be, but don't forget the times he states it's for the new universe, oh wait then again the creators of BW intended "Welcome to the Darkside" to be a Star Wars reference and not the name of the ship, and "Unicron Spawn" to be an insult ala "Son of a B**ch", but look what happened to those.

Keep going, guys. This kind of intellectual discussion is very entertaining.

Sabrblade wrote:Keep going, guys. This kind of intellectual discussion is very entertaining.

lolz, there's nothing intellectual about it.
It's just two people getting angry about something silly.