New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot
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Our friends over at Xovergen has sent us some exclusive promotional images for their upcoming products - Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot.
Grand Patriot's design is based on Rolling Thunder Optimus Prime. The toys come with 2 version, first version is conventional red and blue & second version is green in colour.
Each figure is approximately 19cm in height, and total length of the vehicle mode is approximately 32cm.
Each toy consist of:
- 1 figure
- 1 trailer (transformable into base)
- 2 fusion guns
- 2 arm cannons
- 2 exchangable heads
- 1 matrix
- 12 pages comic + instruction
The toy is scheduled for delivery before the end of December 2010.
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Grand Patriot's design is based on Rolling Thunder Optimus Prime. The toys come with 2 version, first version is conventional red and blue & second version is green in colour.
Each figure is approximately 19cm in height, and total length of the vehicle mode is approximately 32cm.
Each toy consist of:
- 1 figure
- 1 trailer (transformable into base)
- 2 fusion guns
- 2 arm cannons
- 2 exchangable heads
- 1 matrix
- 12 pages comic + instruction
The toy is scheduled for delivery before the end of December 2010.
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Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156558)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on December 12th, 2010 @ 10:43am CST
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on December 12th, 2010 @ 10:43am CST
Delivery in late December 2010? Was there ordering info that I missed for this? If not how do you order one?
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156561)
Posted by El Duque on December 12th, 2010 @ 10:49am CST
Same here, any word on who will be carrying this?
I thought I would really like this in all green, but now after seeing it I'm not so sure. I think it might look better in camo. May just go with the regular prime colors.
Posted by El Duque on December 12th, 2010 @ 10:49am CST
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Delivery in late December 2010? Was there ordering info that I missed for this? If not how do you order one?
Same here, any word on who will be carrying this?
I thought I would really like this in all green, but now after seeing it I'm not so sure. I think it might look better in camo. May just go with the regular prime colors.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156564)
Posted by Mkall on December 12th, 2010 @ 11:01am CST
Posted by Mkall on December 12th, 2010 @ 11:01am CST
I don't need an extra Prime, so I'll probably get the one in green if/when a place to order it shows up.
I think I may call him Big Shot.
I think I may call him Big Shot.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156567)
Posted by Samurai Bludgeon on December 12th, 2010 @ 11:12am CST
Posted by Samurai Bludgeon on December 12th, 2010 @ 11:12am CST
Love the paint apps/job on the red/blue GP. The trailer seems to have quite a few nice extra features instead of just sitting there lol. I looked over their web site but could not find any info on price...
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156572)
Posted by LiKwid on December 12th, 2010 @ 11:33am CST
Posted by LiKwid on December 12th, 2010 @ 11:33am CST
OoOOoO very nice! Im torn on the colors though. Does the green server as a homage to anyone? Im not too familiar with it. Might just get the green one, not too many big green transformers around 
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156574)
Posted by Midnight_Fox on December 12th, 2010 @ 11:41am CST
It's the color scheme of the original GI Joe Rolling Thunder toy that his altmode is based on.
Posted by Midnight_Fox on December 12th, 2010 @ 11:41am CST
LiKwid wrote:OoOOoO very nice! Im torn on the colors though. Does the green server as a homage to anyone? Im not too familiar with it. Might just get the green one, not too many big green transformers around
It's the color scheme of the original GI Joe Rolling Thunder toy that his altmode is based on.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156579)
Posted by DevastaTTor on December 12th, 2010 @ 12:05pm CST
Posted by DevastaTTor on December 12th, 2010 @ 12:05pm CST
I really wanted the green version to be darker and more muted. That bright green may be a deal-breaker.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156583)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on December 12th, 2010 @ 12:11pm CST
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on December 12th, 2010 @ 12:11pm CST
In this picture the colors seem darker. Which I hope is correct.
This picture, the colors are much lighter which I am hoping has to do with the camera.
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This picture, the colors are much lighter which I am hoping has to do with the camera.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156594)
Posted by Midnight_Fox on December 12th, 2010 @ 12:31pm CST
Posted by Midnight_Fox on December 12th, 2010 @ 12:31pm CST
I like it, definite purchase for me. Still unsure of which color scheme to get though.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156598)
Posted by Fistful of Energon on December 12th, 2010 @ 12:46pm CST
Posted by Fistful of Energon on December 12th, 2010 @ 12:46pm CST
by the end of THIS year??
seriously?
some price and ordering info would be much appreciated Xovergen
seriously?
some price and ordering info would be much appreciated Xovergen
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156602)
Posted by First-Aid on December 12th, 2010 @ 12:57pm CST
Posted by First-Aid on December 12th, 2010 @ 12:57pm CST
Nice figure! WIsh i could afford some of these third party figs.
Looking at his chest, where the front grill of the vehicle mode is...am I crazy or does that look like there's going to be a speaker there?
Looking at his chest, where the front grill of the vehicle mode is...am I crazy or does that look like there's going to be a speaker there?
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156604)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on December 12th, 2010 @ 1:07pm CST
It looks to be just the front grill that opens up and houses the matrix.
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on December 12th, 2010 @ 1:07pm CST
First-Aid wrote:Nice figure! WIsh i could afford some of these third party figs.
Looking at his chest, where the front grill of the vehicle mode is...am I crazy or does that look like there's going to be a speaker there?
It looks to be just the front grill that opens up and houses the matrix.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156605)
Posted by UltraPrimal on December 12th, 2010 @ 1:10pm CST
Posted by UltraPrimal on December 12th, 2010 @ 1:10pm CST
How much?
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156613)
Posted by Sodan-1 on December 12th, 2010 @ 1:31pm CST
Posted by Sodan-1 on December 12th, 2010 @ 1:31pm CST
I absolutely love Don Figueroa's designs, and Rolling Thunder is up there with the best. But I'm just not sure if this figure does him justice. And what's with the bright blue cannons? An easy pass given everything else that's coming up.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156615)
Posted by Name_Violation on December 12th, 2010 @ 1:35pm CST
Posted by Name_Violation on December 12th, 2010 @ 1:35pm CST
i like that green one. reminds me of the unreleased g2 Toxitron repaint of prime
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156620)
Posted by Prime Evil on December 12th, 2010 @ 1:46pm CST
Posted by Prime Evil on December 12th, 2010 @ 1:46pm CST
So glad that they did decide to do a green one as well as a normal Prime colored one. I'll be picking up the green one and I've already have a spot for him on my shelf. Now, where is that dang preorder???
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156621)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 12th, 2010 @ 2:01pm CST
Posted by Dead Metal on December 12th, 2010 @ 2:01pm CST
Not bad, but damn that green is bright.
Waiting for the Nemesis version and if that won't show up I may take the G1 coloured one.
Waiting for the Nemesis version and if that won't show up I may take the G1 coloured one.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156630)
Posted by El Duque on December 12th, 2010 @ 2:27pm CST
Posted by El Duque on December 12th, 2010 @ 2:27pm CST
I think I'll be going with the green version. It's actually pretty cool of them to offer both color schemes up front, instead of releasing the traditional color first then waiting till those have sold and offering the alternate. Just like the KnightMorpher form Mastermind creations, had they listed the Black and tradition colors up front I would have just got the black version, because it looks more realistic in alt mode. Although it sounds like they improved the figure for the black release so I'm cool with re-buying it.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156631)
Posted by DecepticonFinishline on December 12th, 2010 @ 2:27pm CST
Posted by DecepticonFinishline on December 12th, 2010 @ 2:27pm CST
I like the green one a lot. It reminds me of the Classics 2.0 Springer, and I think it's a very creative idea to have Prime and Springer share the same protoform mold. Not that it's meant to be Springer... But... You guys know what I'm getting at.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156642)
Posted by InvaderJes on December 12th, 2010 @ 2:56pm CST
Posted by InvaderJes on December 12th, 2010 @ 2:56pm CST
Yes! I want to use the red Optimus with the green trailer/battle station as Christmas Convoy! 
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156649)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 12th, 2010 @ 3:10pm CST
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 12th, 2010 @ 3:10pm CST
Yea, as much as this is cool, I don't like either colours, since I was hoping for the yellow orange scheme... I'll save the cash for the FP Junkions and future projects like Broadside.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156651)
Posted by Samurai Bludgeon on December 12th, 2010 @ 3:13pm CST
Wait...FP is going to do a Broadside? Holy god that sounds so awesome... what info is there on it?
Posted by Samurai Bludgeon on December 12th, 2010 @ 3:13pm CST
MINDVVIPE wrote:...I'll save the cash for the FP Junkions and future projects like Broadside.
Wait...FP is going to do a Broadside? Holy god that sounds so awesome... what info is there on it?
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156653)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 12th, 2010 @ 3:15pm CST
My bad if that doesn't end up an actual "Broadside", but it might be. Either way, that looks like its gonna be a sick triple changer.
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 12th, 2010 @ 3:15pm CST
Samurai Bludgeon wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:...I'll save the cash for the FP Junkions and future projects like Broadside.
Wait...FP is going to do a Broadside? Holy god that sounds so awesome... what info is there on it?
My bad if that doesn't end up an actual "Broadside", but it might be. Either way, that looks like its gonna be a sick triple changer.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156660)
Posted by kirbenvost on December 12th, 2010 @ 3:39pm CST
There's no info, only concept drawings. So we'll see if they decide to do it.
As for this Rolling Thunder Prime, it's got a strange-looking head sculpt, but it's a nice looking toy. Kind of old-school, in a way, like it wouldn't be out of place in later G1 or G2.
Posted by kirbenvost on December 12th, 2010 @ 3:39pm CST
Samurai Bludgeon wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:...I'll save the cash for the FP Junkions and future projects like Broadside.
Wait...FP is going to do a Broadside? Holy god that sounds so awesome... what info is there on it?
There's no info, only concept drawings. So we'll see if they decide to do it.
As for this Rolling Thunder Prime, it's got a strange-looking head sculpt, but it's a nice looking toy. Kind of old-school, in a way, like it wouldn't be out of place in later G1 or G2.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156673)
Posted by Mindmaster on December 12th, 2010 @ 4:06pm CST
Posted by Mindmaster on December 12th, 2010 @ 4:06pm CST
Greeny there reminds me of the Master Chief from Halo. Anyone else agree with me? 
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156674)
Posted by Stumpybot on December 12th, 2010 @ 4:13pm CST
Posted by Stumpybot on December 12th, 2010 @ 4:13pm CST
They look sweet, finally a 3rd party prime that really makes my mouth water. Been waiting for a decent voyager sized prime to add to the collection since i put my classics in the DIA Commander armor
I think one of each is definitely on the cards for me.
Lack of preorder info is annoying, especially when the site gives no details either
I think one of each is definitely on the cards for me.
Lack of preorder info is annoying, especially when the site gives no details either
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156693)
Posted by Gandalf on December 12th, 2010 @ 5:09pm CST
Posted by Gandalf on December 12th, 2010 @ 5:09pm CST
Not bad. I'm tempted to get the green one and call it Springer Prime. 
However, Generations and The Year of Rodimus have a tight hold on my wallet.
However, Generations and The Year of Rodimus have a tight hold on my wallet.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156724)
Posted by Supreme Convoy on December 12th, 2010 @ 7:34pm CST
Posted by Supreme Convoy on December 12th, 2010 @ 7:34pm CST
As a GI Joe/Transformers geek, this is too tempting to pass up.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156725)
Posted by griftimus prime on December 12th, 2010 @ 7:36pm CST
Posted by griftimus prime on December 12th, 2010 @ 7:36pm CST
looks absolutely nothing like the rolling thunder
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156729)
Posted by genozaur on December 12th, 2010 @ 7:41pm CST
Posted by genozaur on December 12th, 2010 @ 7:41pm CST
someone should make some custom green lantern corps decal sets for the green optimus repaint
oh and some black lantern corps decals for the eventual nemesis prime release as well
oh and some black lantern corps decals for the eventual nemesis prime release as well
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156749)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on December 12th, 2010 @ 8:20pm CST
Posted by NuclearConvoy on December 12th, 2010 @ 8:20pm CST
The fact that I will never own this is sad, soul crushing news. Almost as soul crushing as never having gotten the City Commander armour and being flat broke right now for the release of the protector. Fucking University making me broke when awesome toys are coming out...
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156774)
Posted by WarGraver on December 12th, 2010 @ 9:46pm CST
Posted by WarGraver on December 12th, 2010 @ 9:46pm CST
I really like the Rolling Thunder Optimus Prime design. This toy... not so much. Even in green, the robot mode doesn't have the military look it should. Plus it really needs a second dark color, even if not necessarily the dark gray used in the design.
A sticker set might make it good enough, I guess.
A sticker set might make it good enough, I guess.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156793)
Posted by Black Bumblebee on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:22am CST
Posted by Black Bumblebee on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:22am CST
For those unfamiliar with GI Joe Rolling Thunder, here's a little YouTube clip:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGR3pmGjGl8[/youtube]
Seems like they missed a great opportunity to have a Roller drone...
Hmm... forum youtube doesn't seem to work. Here's a direct link anyways: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGR3pmGjGl8
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGR3pmGjGl8[/youtube]
Seems like they missed a great opportunity to have a Roller drone...
Hmm... forum youtube doesn't seem to work. Here's a direct link anyways: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGR3pmGjGl8
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156848)
Posted by Blurrz on December 13th, 2010 @ 5:14am CST
Posted by Blurrz on December 13th, 2010 @ 5:14am CST
This shit is green bananas full of awesome.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156865)
Posted by Flux Convoy on December 13th, 2010 @ 6:33am CST
Posted by Flux Convoy on December 13th, 2010 @ 6:33am CST
Green was the way to go here all along. I'm digging it although it is a bit bright. That blue cannon is silly looking too. Complaints aside, looks good enough to me. Curious how much these'll run and who'll be carrying them.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156910)
Posted by Requiem Prime on December 13th, 2010 @ 8:50am CST
Posted by Requiem Prime on December 13th, 2010 @ 8:50am CST
#1 - How much?
#2 - Through who?
I'm so torn. I love the prime colors, but the green is so different. I'm definitely getting one once I know where, they look amazing and their "base" actually conveys being a portable base.
I think I'll preorder one (not sure which) and wait for a review if Xovergen hit it out the park and are worth my poverty.
#2 - Through who?
I'm so torn. I love the prime colors, but the green is so different. I'm definitely getting one once I know where, they look amazing and their "base" actually conveys being a portable base.
I think I'll preorder one (not sure which) and wait for a review if Xovergen hit it out the park and are worth my poverty.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156919)
Posted by rpetras on December 13th, 2010 @ 9:24am CST
Posted by rpetras on December 13th, 2010 @ 9:24am CST
I'm interested, but price, as well as size will help me make the decision.
If I get the green one (which I'm leaning towards) I'd probably eventually repaint him in camo.
If I get the green one (which I'm leaning towards) I'd probably eventually repaint him in camo.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156933)
Posted by Requiem Prime on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:11am CST
Posted by Requiem Prime on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:11am CST
A preorder is available at BBTS!
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail
HOWEVER, realizing people would play favorites, it's only available in a 2-pack for both of them. All told it's about $90 per figure, but getting both is a big commitment.
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail
HOWEVER, realizing people would play favorites, it's only available in a 2-pack for both of them. All told it's about $90 per figure, but getting both is a big commitment.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156939)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:22am CST
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:22am CST
That blows, unless somebody sells they or someone else sells them seperately then I wont be enjoying one. It's a shame really. Here's hoping they change their minds.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156944)
Posted by Fistful of Energon on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:40am CST
Posted by Fistful of Energon on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:40am CST
Soooooooo?
we gotta drop over $180 for TWO figures from a company none of us have ever gotten a product for?
FAIL
we gotta drop over $180 for TWO figures from a company none of us have ever gotten a product for?
FAIL
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156949)
Posted by Midnight_Fox on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:44am CST
Indeed. I love their note about how they'll only make them separate if they get a case of RED but not a case of green.
Posted by Midnight_Fox on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:44am CST
Requiem Prime wrote:A preorder is available at BBTS!
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail
HOWEVER, realizing people would play favorites, it's only available in a 2-pack for both of them. All told it's about $90 per figure, but getting both is a big commitment.
Indeed. I love their note about how they'll only make them separate if they get a case of RED but not a case of green.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156950)
Posted by El Duque on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:45am CST
Posted by El Duque on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:45am CST
Yeah not really digging that I have to order both, when I only want the green. What the Hell, I'll preorder it for now. If someone else offers them individually I'll cancel. If I end up with both I can alwasy sell the red and blue version.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156963)
Posted by rpetras on December 13th, 2010 @ 11:09am CST
Posted by rpetras on December 13th, 2010 @ 11:09am CST
I think I'll wait for these to hit a sale.
I don't happen to have $180 right at the moment with FREAKING CHRISTMAS around the corner.
I may have squeezed out about a $100 for one of these, and if it was cool, I may have sprung for the second later, but this is too much cash with too little notice.
I don't happen to have $180 right at the moment with FREAKING CHRISTMAS around the corner.
I may have squeezed out about a $100 for one of these, and if it was cool, I may have sprung for the second later, but this is too much cash with too little notice.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156966)
Posted by Razorclaw0000 on December 13th, 2010 @ 11:17am CST
Posted by Razorclaw0000 on December 13th, 2010 @ 11:17am CST
Just yesterday, we revealed details of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot release, and now site sponsor BigBadToyStore.com has opened a preorder for the figure.
Just one catch, though: the figure is only available as a two pack featuring both the "classic" red/blue deco and the green deco, with the pair retailing $179.99. The figure is slated to be released later this month.
Just one catch, though: the figure is only available as a two pack featuring both the "classic" red/blue deco and the green deco, with the pair retailing $179.99. The figure is slated to be released later this month.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156979)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 13th, 2010 @ 11:54am CST
Posted by Dead Metal on December 13th, 2010 @ 11:54am CST
Yea, forget it.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156983)
Posted by Midnight_Fox on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:03pm CST
Posted by Midnight_Fox on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:03pm CST
I'm gonna see if my former room mate wants to split a set, otherwise, never mind.
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156993)
Posted by Lackadaisical on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:13pm CST
Posted by Lackadaisical on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:13pm CST
Too expensive! I'm still thinking about the Anhiilator, and this costs about the same if it was only one, and really isn't that great to get 2 of them, that tie 1 by a set of 2, will make them lost a lot of clients... anyways, I wasn't one of them 
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1156995)
Posted by Mkall on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:14pm CST
Posted by Mkall on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:14pm CST
If someone only wants the Prime and wants to split the set, I only want th egreen one.
Wanna go halfsies?
Wanna go halfsies?
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1157001)
Posted by Fistful of Energon on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:21pm CST
PM sent
Posted by Fistful of Energon on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:21pm CST
Mkall wrote:If someone only wants the Prime and wants to split the set, I only want th egreen one.
Wanna go halfsies?
PM sent
Re: New Images of Xovergen's Supreme Tactical Commander Grand Patriot (1157006)
Posted by Counterpunch on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:35pm CST
Posted by Counterpunch on December 13th, 2010 @ 12:35pm CST
What a joke.
