New Video of a "Non Biological Entity" at Stop Sector Seven!

hey sweet, that`s the Masterpiece Starscream model.

Black Arachnis wrote:hey sweet, that`s the Masterpiece Starscream model.

Definately looks like it.

See, that looked good.

Now i realise why bay went the way he did.... there would be no believability in the movie if starscream looked like that. Now I'm not saying they should have went as extreme as they did with starscream (or robo-kong as i like to call him) but having the original design wouldnt have worked IMO

1337W422102 wrote:See, that looked good.

Yup. But instead we got...

Okay, I now "get it."

All you guys that live to bash this movie because of the designs, I'll now agree with you (on this one point only).

It would have been totally sweet for Starscream to look like this in the movie. (Sorry for the 1995-98 pop language reference, I get mentally stuck there on occasion).

Nope, wouldn't have worked in the movie, way too cartoonish looking.

Holy slag, that woulda rocked. Maybe not the G1 colors, but the body type...

I wonder why they are shooting their own feet with counter-evidence now.

So awesome, and makes an excellent avatar.

Nemescream wrote:So awesome, and makes an excellent avatar.

I agree.

Anyway, this is the video from Agent X's most recent podcast I was talking about here.

old design seems weird with the new movie design existing.

Hmm.. much as I love the old designs, that looks like a bag of ass in terms of suspension of disbelief.

Would make an awesome animation style for a TV series or whatever, but there is no sense of awe to that. Just looks like a big toy.

Prowl_83 wrote:Hmm.. much as I love the old designs, that looks like a bag of ass in terms of suspension of disbelief.

Would make an awesome animation style for a TV series or whatever, but there is no sense of awe to that. Just looks like a big toy.

That's my thought exactly. As cool as that looked, if we got that on the big screen, I'd be insulted. I wanna realistic robots duking it out, not giant toys.

wooooooo boy, look at the brainwash patrol hating what they once loved.

Creature SH wrote:wooooooo boy, look at the brainwash patrol hating what they once loved.

I'm no where near brainwashed, I actually appritiate change. I'm not some nostalgia fanatic who whines at the first site of change.

And so you know, I've been a fan since '84. My first TFs where G1 Optimus Prime and Megatron, which I still have and think they're 2 of best TFs ever made. So get your facts straight before you insult someone.

What does that prove ?

Creature SH wrote:What does that prove ?

That you're flaming.

Flaming... silly word, that.

I'm just disgusted by all the people who seem to forget the truth in favor of clinging to something they so desperately want to be good that they'd except anything with its name attached.

I really like how that looked - what's wrong with the designs being "cartoonish"? It's all animated anyway...

Creature SH wrote:Flaming... silly word, that.

I'm just disgusted by all the people who seem to forget the truth in favor of clinging to something they so desperately want to be good that they'd except anything with its name attached.

What truth? Have you seen it? Will you see it? If not, you loose all right to complain because you have no facts backing it up. In 4 days I'm going. If it sucks, I'll gladly eat my words. But everything I've seen I liked, which I'm intitled to. You come into a movie discussion, and say the same thing over and over. And then you insult other people when they disagree, it's kinda ridiculous.

On that note, I'm done. I'm not gonna fuel this fire anymore.

D-340 wrote:What truth? Have you seen it? Will you see it? If not, you loose all right to complain because you have no facts backing it up. In 4 days I'm going. If it sucks, I'll gladly eat my words. But everything I've seen I liked, which I'm intitled to. You come into a movie discussion, and say the same thing over and over. And then you insult other people when they disagree, it's kinda ridiculous.

On that note, I'm done. I'm not gonna fuel this fire anymore.

You say that you liked everything you saw, I say that I hated everything. I know all that needs to be known about this movie. I know the storyline and I know the visual approach. Both are abhorrent. There is no way it could get better by staring at it two hours in a row.

Creature SH wrote:

D-340 wrote:What truth? Have you seen it? Will you see it? If not, you loose all right to complain because you have no facts backing it up. In 4 days I'm going. If it sucks, I'll gladly eat my words. But everything I've seen I liked, which I'm intitled to. You come into a movie discussion, and say the same thing over and over. And then you insult other people when they disagree, it's kinda ridiculous.

On that note, I'm done. I'm not gonna fuel this fire anymore.

You say that you liked everything you saw, I say that I hated everything. I know all that needs to be known about this movie. I know the storyline and I know the visual approach. Both are abhorrent. There is no way it could get better by staring at it two hours in a row.

Sigh. I really thought we were past this type of stuff. For a good month people had either excepted and embraced what was given or they realized it wasn't their movie and they just stopped visiting this area of the forums. Then you have to come and start it all up again. Ah well.

Creature SH wrote:

D-340 wrote:What truth? Have you seen it? Will you see it? If not, you loose all right to complain because you have no facts backing it up. In 4 days I'm going. If it sucks, I'll gladly eat my words. But everything I've seen I liked, which I'm intitled to. You come into a movie discussion, and say the same thing over and over. And then you insult other people when they disagree, it's kinda ridiculous.

On that note, I'm done. I'm not gonna fuel this fire anymore.

You say that you liked everything you saw, I say that I hated everything. I know all that needs to be known about this movie. I know the storyline and I know the visual approach. Both are abhorrent. There is no way it could get better by staring at it two hours in a row.

I am a huge G1 fan.
I hated all of the preliminary designs, I hated the leaked scripts, I dreaded the movie.
Saw it yesterday, loved it. It was fun. It was exciting. It was Transformers.
The difference between you and I is that you seem hell bent on spilling your bile everywhere, you're so completely invested in your own opinion that you would never ALLOW yourself to enjoy the movie. Seriously, 'abhorrent'? 'Disgusted'? Where's your achievement beyond attacking people who enjoy themselves? You're sanctimonius, a flamer, and a waste of space.

I really liked seeing this new video. I wonder if it'll be on the 'extras' of the new Tf DVD?

Flashback wrote:I am a huge G1 fan.
I hated all of the preliminary designs, I hated the leaked scripts, I dreaded the movie.
Saw it yesterday, loved it. It was fun. It was exciting. It was Transformers.

This only gives you away as easy to impress. "oooh, big screen ! Ooooh, flashy effects ! Ooooh, loud noise !"
You know what ? Forget about the designs. They're secondary. Tertiary, even. What really matters is the story. And this movie really has none. The only genre where that could be tolerated would be comedy. Is that what Transformers is to you ? A big joke ? Why even waste time on a joke ?

Flashback wrote:The difference between you and I is that you seem hell bent on spilling your bile everywhere, you're so completely invested in your own opinion that you would never ALLOW yourself to enjoy the movie. Seriously, 'abhorrent'? 'Disgusted'? Where's your achievement beyond attacking people who enjoy themselves? You're sanctimonius, a flamer, and a waste of space.

Achievement ? I didn't know that this was supposed to be a contest. What's yours ?

And you are clearly not understanding me. There is nothing to be enjoyed here. Am I supposed to abandon what I know to be true just because it would be easier to be silent ? Am I supposed to stop fighting just because I can't win ? Should I start lying to myself just so I fit the marketing ?

Creature SH wrote:This only gives you away as easy to impress. "oooh, big screen ! Ooooh, flashy effects ! Ooooh, loud noise !"
You know what ? Forget about the designs. They're secondary. Tertiary, even. What really matters is the story. And this movie really has none. The only genre where that could be tolerated would be comedy. Is that what Transformers is to you ? A big joke ? Why even waste time on a joke ?

Well, jokes are fun, so that's all you really need in a movie about giant robots fighting. Creature SH, seriously, just pull the stick out of your ass and lighten up. Stop bashing people just because they have different expectations from this movie than you do. Seriously, saying Flashback is "easy to impress" because he enjoyed the movie? I think you need to come down of your pedestal a little bit, and while you're at it, take Transformers off the high one you've set it on, as well. This is Transformers, man, not the freaking Ark of the Covenant.

Apex Convoy wrote:Well, jokes are fun, so that's all you really need in a movie about giant robots fighting.

So that's all there is to it, eh ?
For all these years, for all these fans, for all the time invested, the stories written, the art, the work... It's all to be summed up in three words. "Giant robots fighting". I guess Transformers is not worth a second thought, then. It's empty, it's soulless, it's flat, it's cheap, it's crap.

This website is pointless. It should just be a gallery of pictures of giant robots fighting. Silly Seibertron.

What I have to love about you, CreatureSH, is your constant need to belittle anyone who has a different opinion than you. If someone likes the movie, you pull out the old 'moving the goalpost argument' by stating that anyone who likes the movie is a fanboy, or a sheep led by the money-hungry corporations in Hollywood. You don't have a leg to stand on in your attacks when you have no idea about the person. Much the same that you don't have a leg to stand on criticising the movie when you haven't even seen it. Can't you at least go watch it and come back here so as to have credence to your claims? Is that too much to ask? I saw the movie, enjoyed it but found it flawed. At least my opinion has more basis than yours. Sorry, but that's the truth.

I don't recall ever using the word fanboy. My goal certainly isn't to belittle anyone, either. I just find all this praise of a very bad thing revolting and unbelievable.

And I certainly won't break my boycott just so I can find out what I know already.

Creature SH wrote:I don't recall ever using the word fanboy. My goal certainly isn't to belittle anyone, either. I just find all this praise of a very bad thing revolting and unbelievable.

Cool. Well at least calling people blind. Which is kind of what fanboys are. I'm no fan of fanboys either.

Creature SH wrote:And I certainly won't break my boycott just so I can find out what I know already.

I know we've been over this before, but that still doesn't make you an expert on the movie, or that your opinion is more informed. Would you review the movie of To Kill a Mockingbird based on pictures of Gregory Peck and reading the novel? All you can legitimately critique is the script, designs and your attitude towards hollywood popcorn flicks. Sorry, but that's not enough to actually attack the film as a whole.

Stalinglad wrote:Cool. Well at least calling people blind. Which is kind of what fanboys are. I'm no fan of fanboys either.

Blind ? When one gives me reason to think so. "Look at the green sky" situations.

Stalinglad wrote: Would you review the movie of To Kill a Mockingbird based on pictures of Gregory Peck and reading the novel?

No. But if I had the script and a few sources to confirm that the movie sticks to it, I could form an opinion about whether or not there is enough potential to make it worth seeing.

Creature SH wrote:

Stalinglad wrote: Would you review the movie of To Kill a Mockingbird based on pictures of Gregory Peck and reading the novel?

No. But if I had the script and a few sources to confirm that the movie sticks to it, I could form an opinion about whether or not there is enough potential to make it worth seeing.

Absolutely. I agree with that completely.

So what's the problem again ?

Creature SH wrote:So what's the problem again ?

*sigh* You have several times evaluated the movie as a whole and belittled anyone who likes the movie. Yet you just recently admitted your understanding of the movie entitles you to chose not to see it (which is your right). But you cannot review the movie.

Look, this is seriously becoming a chore running in circles with you over the movie. We all get that you don't like certain aspects yet you refuse to see it. Perhaps you can stop posting in here and leave those of us who have seen the movie to discuss it with informed opinions? Otherwise you're just repeating yourself.

Creature SH wrote:

Apex Convoy wrote:Well, jokes are fun, so that's all you really need in a movie about giant robots fighting.

So that's all there is to it, eh ?
For all these years, for all these fans, for all the time invested, the stories written, the art, the work... It's all to be summed up in three words. "Giant robots fighting". I guess Transformers is not worth a second thought, then. It's empty, it's soulless, it's flat, it's cheap, it's crap.

This website is pointless. It should just be a gallery of pictures of giant robots fighting. Silly Seibertron.

For a franchise's introductory movie for the masses, yes, all you really need is the basics of Transformers. Sentient robots fighting each other. Sequels are for fleshing out the mythos.

Stalinglad wrote:(...) Otherwise you're just repeating yourself.

I know... do you have any idea how sick I am of it ? It's not like it was fun to argue about this everyday.

But nobody seems to get my point (That this movie is bad for Transformers as a whole, that it will do more damage than good and that it will bury the past and thus all potential for the future), so I keep re-iterating over and over and over and over...

I can't just stop now. That would make me nothing but a traitor who doesn't even try to fight.

Creature SH wrote:
This only gives you away as easy to impress. "oooh, big screen ! Ooooh, flashy effects ! Ooooh, loud noise !"
You know what ? Forget about the designs. They're secondary. Tertiary, even. What really matters is the story. And this movie really has none. The only genre where that could be tolerated would be comedy. Is that what Transformers is to you ? A big joke ? Why even waste time on a joke ?

What? Story not important in Comedy? WHAT?! I don't.. you don't... what?? Ohhh... I get it... 'All this shows is that you don't have a sense of humour'. seriously. sorry to provoke you, you can go back to analysing Transformers as a cutting commentary of the times or whatever the hell you think it is beyond a commercial for toys that every now and again a talented writer drifts into and we get a good story (Beast Wars, Superlink etc).

Story is VERY important in comedy. Easily more important than in an action movie. And the idea that this movie, that appeals to nontransformers fans and deposits a lovely little pile of cash in the laps of those responsible for developing and distributing Transformers products, will hurt the franchise is dense. The shallow plot in this movie will not send the plots of all future transformers series into a backwards motion, any more than Micron densetsu 'ruined' superlink.

Creature SH wrote:But nobody seems to get my point (That this movie is bad for Transformers as a whole, that it will do more damage than good and that it will bury the past and thus all potential for the future), so I keep re-iterating over and over and over and over...

We get your point: Michael Bay raped something more important than life and you're here on a crusade to stop people watching a dumb movie. You've made it again and again but you wont simply shut up. But we don't care. If you are not going to see the movie, please leave this part of the forum.

I should've said "depth" when I said "story". Granted.

And to think that Hasbro won't go and change things about Transformers until it's exactly like the movie is foolish. It's standard practice in pop culture properties.

A live-action movie should've unleashed the full potential of the franchise. Instead, it drags it down to the realm of piss jokes framed with t&a. I just don't understand how you can tolerate that.

Creature SH wrote: this movie is bad for Transformers as a whole, that it will do more damage than good and that it will bury the past and thus all potential for the future

Making all kinds of money and bringing world wide attention is bad? Last I checked it's a good thing. Your opinion and argument are fine, it's your logic I don't get. Again, just cuz a few fans don't like what's going on, doesn't mean it'll kill the franchise. The more money it makes, liking what's going on or not, is gonna guarantee that it's gonna be around for a very long time.

The bad part is that Bay's boomsplosionpoopyboobsmwaha approach is going to replace any semblance of character and depth.

Creature SH wrote:The bad part is that Bay's boomsplosionpoopyboobsmwaha approach is going to replace any semblance of character and depth.

Dude. Have you actually watched G1 lately? The show had almost no character and/or depth. All characterization is done in the first damn episode and everything after that was just a bunch of episodes with laserbeams and bad plot devices....So at the very least, I'd say the movie is on par with what G1/RID/Armada/Energon/Cybertron set up.

"G1" was more than the TV show.

Creature SH wrote:"G1" was more than the TV show.

To some. But to most who didn't even know there was a comic it wasn't.

Creature SH wrote:The bad part is that Bay's boomsplosionpoopyboobsmwaha approach is going to replace any semblance of character and depth.

Characters? Check. Bay's explosions didn't replace them.

Depth? Okay, it wasn't the most deep movie, but then again neither were the cartoons, 80s movie or the comics. But Bay didn't write the movie, and neither is the script bad.

A question, Creature: Are you aware that more people than Bay made the movie? It seems you think he's responsible for everything.

Bay's determined to take all the credit, so I'll gladly let him have all the blame, too.

But you can view the name as a collective term. It's just easier to write.