Paramount and Hasbro Shared Cinematic Universe Writers Room: Brian K Vaughan, Nicole Perlman & More

I really don't like the trend right now that everything has to have a cinematic universe. I feel like this is the most unjustified one so far. It would have been fine if it was just Transformers and G.I. Joe but this just sound like its going to be a mess.

Not sure how i feel about this, not only is that list of people not aw inspiring but if they are going to try and merge all those series together its going to be a train wreck. Even if this just means hasbro has full control over everything thats not really great either, we all know hasbro will screw over the fans if it means making money. Guess we'll just have to see how this pans out.

Another MCU wannabe.

Here's hoping it'll be better than the DCEU. Of course, with 1 good TF film, 1 1/2 decent ones and 1 1/2 pieces of poo, they're already better than DC's track record of 1/2 a good movie.

Come at me, DC fanboys and girls!

Nem@ dcu have had two movies now

Railbomb wrote:I really don't like the trend right now that everything has to have a cinematic universe. I feel like this is the most unjustified one so far. It would have been fine if it was just Transformers and G.I. Joe but this just sound like its going to be a mess.

I agree. The very fact that DC and Hasbro are pushing forward into making all their movies connected somehow, destroys the uniqueness of the cinematic universe. When Marvel did it, it was unique and interesting, but since companies and studios are scared of losing creative ways to earn more revenue, they copy their competitiors, which is vanity, pointless, and downright unnecessary. Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice was a horrible clutter of messes and so will be Hasbro's potential, upcoming motion pictures. They are drinking the hard liquor before having a taste of the regular, if that makes sense.

'Cinematic Universe'?

... *Siiiiiiigh* ...okay. WHY. When Marvel did it, it was amazing, because THEY PLANNED EVERYTHING FROM THE START. You can't retcon everything and expect it to make sense!

Personally hoping for a Transformers/Visionaries crossover (think Marvel's TRANSFORMERS #42 altered for Prysmos instead of then-Neblon for how it would work)

Here's an official press release we received a few minutes ago from Hasbro regarding their shared cinematic universe:

PARAMOUNT PICTURES AND HASBRO TAP AWARD-WINNING GROUP OF WRITERS TO CREATE CROSS-PROPERTY FILM UNIVERSE

WRITERS ROOM LEAD BY OSCAR WINNER AKIVA GOLDSMAN WILL DEVELOP STORIES FOR HASBRO BRANDS G.I. JOE, MICRONAUTS, VISIONARIES, M.A.S.K. AND ROM

HOLLYWOOD, CA (April 21, 2016) - Paramount Pictures and Hasbro, Inc. today unveiled its top talent writers room which will have responsibility for developing Hasbro's cross-property interconnected onscreen universe featuring the brands G.I. Joe, Micronauts, Visionaries, M.A.S.K. (Mobile Armored Strike Kommand) and ROM. This group includes some of the most notable creative talent in Hollywood, including Academy Award Winner Akiva Goldsman (A Beautiful Mind), who will have responsibility for overseeing the writers room on behalf of Hasbro and Paramount as well as serving as Executive Producer for all of the films. Joining Goldsman will be Lindsey Beer (Wizard of Oz, Kingkiller Chronicle), Pulitzer Prize Winner Michael Chabon (The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay), Cheo Coker (Luke Cage, Ray Donovan), Joe Robert Cole (Black Panther, People vs. OJ), Nicole Perlman (Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain Marvel), Jeff Pinkner (Lost, The Dark Tower), Nicole Riegel (Soldier Girls), Geneva Robertson (Atlantis, Tomb Raider) and Brian K Vaughan (Under the Dome, Lost).

Allspark Pictures, Hasbro's film label, plans to produce films based on this cross-property universe, with Brian Goldner (Chairman, President and CEO, Hasbro) and Stephen Davis (Executive Vice President and Chief Content Officer, Hasbro) serving as Producers, and Josh Feldman (Co-Head of Storytelling, Hasbro) as Co-Executive Producer. Hasbro will also deploy in the room an unprecedented team of its top artists and designers to assist Goldsman and the writers to visualize this all-new cinematic universe.

"Paramount and Hasbro have partnered on many successful films in the past, including the 'TRANSFORMERS' and 'G.I. JOE,' franchises," said Brad Grey, Chairman and CEO of Paramount Pictures. "Bringing together a writers room of this caliber is a bold step for our partnership, and one that we believe is critical for building these brands into new, successful franchises for the future."

"Together with Paramount, we have assembled a team of incredibly talented creative minds and storytellers to continue to help tell the rich history and narrative behind this interconnected cinematic universe, and we are thrilled to be working with Akiva Goldsman again to guide this process," said Brian Goldner. "We are also excited to partner with Paramount to produce the films, as we've had a strong and collaborative partnership since our first Transformers movie in 2007."

The Paramount and Hasbro partnership is responsible for the worldwide blockbuster success of the "TRANSFORMERS" franchise, which has earned $3.8 billion to-date, and whose films, directed by Michael Bay, are amongst the highest grossing movies of all time; and the "G.I. JOE" franchise, which have earned more than $675 million worldwide.


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Nemesis Maximo wrote:Another MCU wannabe.

Here's hoping it'll be better than the DCEU. Of course, with 1 good TF film, 1 1/2 decent ones and 1 1/2 pieces of poo, they're already better than DC's track record of 1/2 a good movie.

Come at me, DC fanboys and girls!

I am probably the biggest Batman fan on this site and I fully agree with you. I am surprised the DC fanboys arent more angry than they are, the way Zack Snyder handles those properties is far worse than Michael Bay. At least Michael Bay doesnt use as noticeable a colour filter.

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Another MCU wannabe.

Here's hoping it'll be better than the DCEU. Of course, with 1 good TF film, 1 1/2 decent ones and 1 1/2 pieces of poo, they're already better than DC's track record of 1/2 a good movie.

Come at me, DC fanboys and girls!

I am probably the biggest Batman fan on this site and I fully agree with you. I am surprised the DC fanboys arent more angry than they are, the way Zack Snyder handles those properties is far worse than Michael Bay. At least Michael Bay doesnt use as noticeable a colour filter.

Does making everything look teal and orange count?

Shuttershock wrote:
Does making everything look teal and orange count?

Hell yeah that counts. But I was referring more to how everything is tinted dark blue/grey in the DC live action movies. At least things arent too dark in the Bay films. The recent outings had the bots out in the daylight and the latest film had that gorgeous Utah scene where you could actually follow who was who and such as Optimus was rounding up his crew.

Here is a question, has anyone since Marvel been able to make a film universe?

There is the universal monster universe that hasnt accomplished anything yet.

There is the DC film universe, same thing there.

The TF film universe that we have yet to see.

The Sony Siderman universe which I think has been cancelled (maybe)

And now the combined Hasbro universe.

Yeah, I think nobody but Marvel has been able to do it yet.

william-james88 wrote:Here is a question, has anyone since Marvel been able to make a film universe?

Star Wars?

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Here is a question, has anyone since Marvel been able to make a film universe?

Star Wars?

Forgot that one. But it has yet to be seen though. Rogue One is coming out this year. The last attempt at a wide release spinoff was the Clone Wars movie and it didnt fare that well (the show did though).

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Here is a question, has anyone since Marvel been able to make a film universe?

Star Wars?

Forgot that one. But it has yet to be seen though. Rogue One is coming out this year. The last attempt at a wide release spinoff was the Clone Wars movie and it didnt fare that well (the show did though).

Star Trek (pre-reboot movies) also kinda has one, though it's more of a television universe with theatrical movies and other media.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Here is a question, has anyone since Marvel been able to make a film universe?

Star Wars?

Forgot that one. But it has yet to be seen though. Rogue One is coming out this year. The last attempt at a wide release spinoff was the Clone Wars movie and it didnt fare that well (the show did though).

I don't think it's a fair question. Marvel laid the ground work. Someone has to come up with the reverse by doing a combined universe, and then spin-offs (which I guess is what Star Wars is doing, as well as Transformers). However, no one has proven had a chance to prove a successful formula like Marvel (though financially you could argue that DC has done or is doing it when you look at their box office numbers compared to early Marvel box office numbers).

Time will tell. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the Marvel Cinematic Universe, especially the amazing Netflix shows (specifically Jessica Jones)

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Here is a question, has anyone since Marvel been able to make a film universe?

Star Wars?

Forgot that one. But it has yet to be seen though. Rogue One is coming out this year. The last attempt at a wide release spinoff was the Clone Wars movie and it didnt fare that well (the show did though).

Star Trek (pre-reboot movies) also kinda has one, though it's more of a television universe with theatrical movies and other media.

I was lookinga at things mainly post Marvel Cinematic Uiverse, where the whole trend took traction. Because or else, there is also Doctor Who and other things I am probably not thinking of.

william-james88 wrote:I was lookinga at things mainly post Marvel Cinematic Uiverse, where the whole trend took traction. Because or else, there is also Doctor Who and other things I am probably not thinking of.

I don't think we're into "post" Marvel Cinematic Universe. There's really only been 1 movie released outside of the Marvel Cinematic Universe that would qualify as trying to capitalize on what Marvel has done, which is Superman vs Batman: Dawn of Justice. I think we need at least a couple of movies to be released for each franchise before we can claim whether or not one has been a success or not.

ZeroWolf wrote:Nem@ dcu have had two movies now

Yes, I know. Batman V Superman was 1/2 good. The parts with Batfleck, surprisingly really good. The parts with Supermope...not so much.

And IMO Man of Steel sucks. So.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Nem@ dcu have had two movies now

Yes, I know. Batman V Superman was 1/2 good. The parts with Batfleck, surprisingly really good. The parts with Supermope...not so much.

And IMO Man of Steel sucks. So.

Nothing to add, I just liked this post and it made me laugh.

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I was lookinga at things mainly post Marvel Cinematic Uiverse, where the whole trend took traction. Because or else, there is also Doctor Who and other things I am probably not thinking of.

I don't think we're into "post" Marvel Cinematic Universe. There's really only been 1 movie released outside of the Marvel Cinematic Universe that would qualify as trying to capitalize on what Marvel has done, which is Superman vs Batman: Dawn of Justice. I think we need at least a couple of movies to be released for each franchise before we can claim whether or not one has been a success or not.

That's not entirely true. 2014's Dracula Untold was meant to be the beginning of a new Universal Monsters Universe, and the same year's new Godzilla was the beginning of a Godzilla/King Kong shared universe, which continues in next year's Kong: Skull Island. Speaking of which, the classic Toho Godzilla movies qualify as a shared universe rather than just a bunch of sequels, because Mothra has appeared in her own movies outside of the big G's flicks.

Bringing this back to topic, though, I just don't think all these radically different franchises will mesh well in one universe, unless they reboot Transformers and GI Joe to make references to each other's events and future films all reference and explain each other's place. I don't see it as likely, and Hasbro would be better served just giving each franchise its own unconnected movie (if they absolutely must).

That Bot wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I don't think we're into "post" Marvel Cinematic Universe. There's really only been 1 movie released outside of the Marvel Cinematic Universe that would qualify as trying to capitalize on what Marvel has done, which is Superman vs Batman: Dawn of Justice. I think we need at least a couple of movies to be released for each franchise before we can claim whether or not one has been a success or not.

That's not entirely true. 2014's Dracula Untold was meant to be the beginning of a new Universal Monsters Universe, and the same year's new Godzilla was the beginning of a Godzilla/King Kong shared universe, which continues in next year's Kong: Skull Island. Speaking of which, the classic Toho Godzilla movies qualify as a shared universe rather than just a bunch of sequels, because Mothra has appeared in her own movies outside of the big G's flicks.

I should have further clarified what I meant. Dawn of Justice is the only 2nd parter. Both examples you provided were the "first" in a franchise, meaning it's too early to judge how those particular Cinematic Universes are panning out. All of these franchises each need a few movies under their belt to properly compare their successes with each other and to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

As expected, the main property that sticks out is one not on the list:

WHERE THE #@&% IS INHUMANOIDS?!?!?

Maybe it was just all the Hector Ramirez, but I think of that cartoon as the glue holding the old Sunbow universe together. Plenty of G.I.Joe references, and the title characters could duke it out with TFs if there'd ever been a full crossover. Is there evidence that the first Pretenders were created with that in mind? Skullgrin's shell strikes me as having a possible connection to D'Compose.

Speaking of whom, yes, there was an Inhumanoid whose signature power was creating zombies! Considering how huge zombies are right now, in both mature and children's fare, why the heck is Hasbro letting this franchise (which they still fully own, correct?) sit totally forgotten? Its city-smashing monsters would be good competition for the Kong-zillerverse someone mentioned, as well as Pacific Rim or any other American stab at kaiju, and would fit with the TF/Joe movies easier than any on this list, with one exception:

...M.A.S.K. That toyline was such a good fusion of TF and Joe elements that it's a shame Kenner was Hasbro's competition at the time; they could've made for a way better crossover than "G.I. Joe and the Transformers". In fact, RAAT designing transforming vehicles based on the Autobots they captured with Circuit Breaker's help would've made more sense than that attack vehicle they used against the Throttlebots later on. If AofE isn't the last the Bayniverse has seen of human organizations hunting down TFs, then illusion could be ultimate weapon this new think-tank has up its sleeve.

It's been a very long while since we heard anything about Paramount's shared live-action cinematic universe - which would expand the mythology surrounding Transformers to other franchises, much like is currently happening in IDW comics (since Revolution and more recently First Strike) - but we now have something happening on the horizon.

According to entertainment online outlet Deadline, 2020 will see the arrival of the third instalment of the GI Joe series, after Rise of Cobra and Retaliation, and the first feature for Micronauts, with a third unnamed project for the following year. You can read the news in detail below, and join the discussion in the Energon Pub - what do you make of this potential, eventual converging and merging of the various franchises? Will you give the new movies a shot?

The long-awaited third G.I. Joe will march into multiplexes on March 27, 2020. Lorenzo di Bonaventura produced the last two movies G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra and G.I. Joe: Retaliation based off the Hasbro toyline/Marvel published Comic-Book which both grossed in total over $678M at the global box office.

The feature adaptation of late ’70s Mego/Takara toys spaceman line Micronauts will blast off on Oct. 16, 2020. The toyline was centered around robotic/human future men, and the playsets were elaborate with various easy-to-assemble parts.

Currently for 2020, both G.I. Joe and Micronauts are the only titles scheduled on their respective release dates.

Dungeons & Dragons will open on July 23, 2021. New Line made a go at a feature version of the popular 1970s/1980s role-playing game 17 years ago making only $33.8M. There was also a Saturday morning CBS animated TV series which ran for 27 episodes from 1983-1985. Currently, it’s the only title on the calendar on that date.

An untitled Hasbro film has also reserved Oct. 1, 2021 on the calendar. No other titles on that date.

Hope it’s good! I wasn’t a a fan of the first one but I did enjoy the the second one just fine. You could tell the director was a fan and did what he could with it with trying to bring some faith to GI joe

Randomhero wrote:Hope it’s good! I wasn’t a a fan of the first one but I did enjoy the the second one just fine. You could tell the director was a fan and did what he could with it with trying to bring some faith to GI joe

Didn't help that the first one also seemed to take some inspiration from the G.I. Joe: Sigma 6 series.

reallu like second gijoe would have like first gijoe movie if destroy had metal mask, cobra commander look like he did in sequel movie and same with snake eyes

Even though I have little faith in a 3rd Joe movie, let's hope it will be good and successful enough to revive this dead franchise.

....For the love of God! Who's still giving this Studio greenlights?????!

Seriously! The last 2 years have resulted in flops to barely breaking even. Just look at Paramount's 2017:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/cha ... amount.htm

2016 they had about 3 successful films who's profits swallowed up thanks to 12 flops!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/cha ... amount.htm


Then again this crap explains why the Transformers IDW-verse has been compromised with crappy crossovers in hopes of building up hype for these films. So at this rate I wouldn't mind Disney buying Hasbro, Paramount and IDW since they all wanna half@ss the MCU's methods anyway.

SO am I the only one here who is geeked about a big budget D and D movie???? Because everything else was expected, but I didn't know anything about Dungeons and Dragons coming back! Here's hoping it's better than Warcraft...

I would like to see them do a combine universe with these series, but I really think you need to start over with GI Joe. I didn't care for either movie.
The idea has potential, but they need to be more serious about it, and not just do so many things on what seems to be a whim.

Can we get the Rock facing off against Cobra Commander? Rock Bottom anyone?

Rated X wrote:Can we get the Rock facing off against Cobra Commander? Rock Bottom anyone?

Didn't that kinda already happen in the second Joe movie?

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Can we get the Rock facing off against Cobra Commander? Rock Bottom anyone?

Didn't that kinda already happen in the second Joe movie?

There was never a direct face off. He took on Firefly directly, but no Cobra Commander.

Maybe we will finally get The Rock and the Transformers in the same movie.

It's been some time since we heard any news regarding the Hasbro/Paramount cinematic universe. While your dreams of seeing G.I. Joe and Transformers in the same live-action movie universe may still happen, it appears that certain properties may not see a live-action big screen adventure after all. Scotty P pointed us to an article on IGN's website that features an interview with John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein, writers on the well-received Spider-Man: Homecoming movie, regarding the shared cinematic universe, and for the ROM and M.A.S.K properties in particular:

"Those are probably not likely to see the light of day, unless they’re moving on separate from us," said Goldstein. "It’s a funny thing. We spent three weeks in a room with a lot of talented writers. We broke 11 or so movies and, I don’t know. It just kind of went into the vortex. There’s been some leadership changes at Paramount, so it’s hard to say. Nobody’s contacted us about those."

How does this news strike you? Were you hoping to see ROM battling the Dire Wraiths on the big screen? You can read the full interview by clicking here. Please let us know your thoughts on this new development (or lack of development, rather) below!

Never say never.

He's just a writer from the writers room, there's no guarantee he was going to be asked to write anyway.

Disappointing, I'd much rather see a M.A.S.K. film over transformers at this point.

IDW failed with the M.A.S.K. comic. They changed too much from the original, loosing what made it work. The editor in charge should be fired and black listed from comics.

I wonder how much of this is to do with TLK's failure. Still, not like Im particularly sad- I have zero attachment to Rom or M.A.S.K (though I will admit the 80s toyline for the latter looked pretty sweet) and I can't see reboot movies working all that well. Transformers worked because it has a history of being rebooted and reimagined every five minutes. M.A.S.K and Rom don't have that.

Mask was kind of far fetched anyways. To think some pop up Lambo doors could act as wings is ridiculous. Plus a helicoptor that can turn into a jet in mid air was also pretty far fetched. I did own the motorcycle sidecar thing as a kid because I thought it was kind of cool. But as I look back, I can see why the producers and writers just said no...

Rated X wrote:Mask was kind of far fetched anyways. To think some pop up Lambo doors could act as wings is ridiculous. Plus a helicoptor that can turn into a jet in mid air was also pretty far fetched. I did own the motorcycle sidecar thing as a kid because I thought it was kind of cool. But as I look back, I can see why the producers and writers just said no...

1) It was a Camero, not a Lambo.

2) Because super hero's and boy wizards aren't far fetched at all.

M.A.S.K. could really just be folded into a G.I.Joe reboot; they mesh so well there's not much reason to keep the stories separate.

Rom I've really come to love, but should probably justbe sold to Marvel - Dire Wraiths have tied into Skrulls before, or they could be adapted to tie into the Brood or Klyntyr - either way Rom and his enemies make good elements for post-Thanos GotG/Cpt. Marvel.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Rated X wrote:Mask was kind of far fetched anyways. To think some pop up Lambo doors could act as wings is ridiculous. Plus a helicoptor that can turn into a jet in mid air was also pretty far fetched. I did own the motorcycle sidecar thing as a kid because I thought it was kind of cool. But as I look back, I can see why the producers and writers just said no...

1) It was a Camero, not a Lambo.

2) Because super hero's and boy wizards aren't far fetched at all.

Obviously youre not into customized cars...I clearly said "Lambo doors" not "Lambo". Heres a picture of Bee with Lambo doors:

https://www.carid.com/vertical-doors-in ... RAQAvD_BwE

BTW: Its spelled "Camaro" not "Camero"

Some far fetched things are just not as cool as others when it comes to live action movies. I dont see any Gobots live action movies coming our way either...

Fine then, Thunderhawk has gull wing doors, not Lambo doors. I'll concede your second point.

Shame, I’d’ve liked to have seen MASK come to be. Lots of good potential for a Transformers/GI Joe/MASK crossover.

Rom, eh. I can take or leave it.

Ironhidensh wrote:Fine then, Thunderhawk has gull wing doors, not Lambo doors. I'll concede your second point.

True. Notice I called them "pop up Lambo doors" because I had no clue what to call doors that go up in that particular fasion. But now I know. And knowing is half the battle.

Ironhidensh wrote:IDW failed with the M.A.S.K. comic. They changed too much from the original, loosing what made it work. The editor in charge should be fired and black listed from comics.

Actually, saying that straying from to source isn't the reason the comic failed. IDWverse Transformers has strayed so far from the original you could probably build a football field or two. They just couldn't make it interesting, which is hard to see how. The premise is basically written for them- a team of people who are practically superheroes (powers, codenames, and all) with vehicles that convert into mobile battle stations.

I have to agree with one point made- This would be hard to be made in a live action flick. It's harder to suspend disbelief with live action than with animation. Plus, they'd have to get a large budget for special effects and hope the people don't give them a garbage product. If a M.A.S.K. movie were made, animation probably would be a better medium to do so. Which is why we should instead get a TV show.

Rated X wrote:Some far fetched things are just not as cool as others when it comes to live action movies. I dont see any Gobots live action movies coming our way either...

In the specific case of GoBots, it's because that really can't happen since it's a dead franchise whose ownership rights have been split across three different companies, two of which are even rival competitor companies.

Speaking of Hasbro movies, it's a shame G.I. Joe is basically dead because even as someone who honestly never grew up with it, I wouldn't mind a proper G.I. Joe movie that took advantage of just how silly the whole thing was. So no attempts to make it too "cool" or "edgy" or whatever; by all means modernize some of the designs so they look good on screen, but aim for that absolutely ridiculous 80s cheese charm. Everyone has laser rifles, Cobra are completely incompetent, Cobra Commander is a screeching lunatic (get Scott McNeil to play him!), etc etc. Don't be mean spirited towards the source material, but give it an affectionate parody. So not "G.I. Joe is sacrosanct and must be treated as a serious work of art" but not "The original sucked, let's insult it and the people that grew up with it" either. More "G.i. Joe was ludicrous, and that's why we love it". And for the love of god, keep political/social virtue signalling out of it.