Real Life Jazz? Amazing Lot of Porsches Going to Auction

One question...is that inspired by Jazz or is Jazz inspired by that?

that is soo damn cool. if i were filthy rich.. i'd collect as many real life transformers cars that i could.

Kibble wrote:One question...is that inspired by Jazz or is Jazz inspired by that?

This car went into prototyping stages in late '74. Jazz was inspired by THIS. Original Jazz (not reissues or Encores) actually feature the Martini brand.

It's him! IT'S HIM!

Mark(NL) wrote:It's him! IT'S HIM!

You rang?

Some of the Transformers were based on actual racing cars..Jazz for one as shown above, but here are a couple of others:

Wheeljack- Lancia Stratos Rally car (wikipedia the Lancia Stratos and you will see it)

Smokescreen- modeled after the Electramotive team's founder Don Devendorf, except his car was #83 not 38 (google electramotive racing team and go to images)

Just a few fun facts, nice find by the way Jason!!! If only I had that kind of fundage!

Mmm that porsche is so gorgeous... mmm.....

AutobotMR2 wrote:Some of the Transformers were based on actual racing cars..Jazz for one as shown above, but here are a couple of others:

Wheeljack- Lancia Stratos Rally car (wikipedia the Lancia Stratos and you will see it)

Smokescreen- modeled after the Electramotive team's founder Don Devendorf, except his car was #83 not 38 (google electramotive racing team and go to images)

Just a few fun facts, nice find by the way Jason!!! If only I had that kind of fundage!

Don't forget Mirage! SOOOO, you're from Wilmington, the Land of Cheap G1's.... interesting.

Wow, this made my day. Cool, I've always known that the car Jazz was based on had existed in the 70's (I had seen it archived on a Porsche website years ago) but I was under the impression that it had long since been disassembled or atleast modified to appear different than this. Glad to see it still kicking around. I have no doubt that it'll go for atleast a million at auction if not more. This brings back so many memories of my original Jazz figure.
I remember seeing him for the first time in K-mart as a kid and wanting one, and I ended up ordering one with that mailaway offer that Cookie Crisp cereal came out with in the mid 80's. Jazz was the only figure they offered but that was fine by me. I would come home from school everyday expecting a package for weeks and it finally arrived and I ended up putting alot of miles on that thing in the dirt in our backyard...oh if I had only known what I was doing back then. Then, 15 years later I was excited again to see his Takara re-release and bought one MIB at a comic shop for $40 bucks (that was alot for me at the time, keep in mind this was before the age of $100 dollar figures in that size class so that was the most I had payed for a G1 figure back then) but it's gone up in value since then. And a few years after that I was glad to see Toys R Us also re-release him in their Classics series. I remeber I bought 5 or 6 of them that year, by then I had disposable income so I did it just because I could. Sorry I'm rambling. Ahhhh memories...

I love me some G1!!!

GetRightRobot wrote:This car went into prototyping stages in late '74. Jazz was inspired by THIS. Original Jazz (not reissues or Encores) actually feature the Martini brand.

I knew that much...what I didn't know was if the whole deco: the stripes, colors, the number 4 and all, who borrowed from whom. No surprise Hasbro lifted it. Now then, let's get back to discussing how shady those 3rd Party bastards are with their IP thieving ways!

I knew I should've bought a lottery ticket today.

ADDITIONAL COMMENT: It would be nice if someone from the TF community could purchase this for public appearences at events like Botcon etc but lets face it, the likelihood of THAT happening is practically zilch.

Chances are whoever buys it will no doubt have no idea of it's connection to Transformers lore. Somebody like Jerry Sienfeld will probobly end up getting it, he's a huge Porsche fanatic. I've been wanting to combine my automotive restoration hobby and love for G1 Transformers togetheir for years now, so I could drive accurate replicas to conventions and stuff, I got motivated even more especially after seeing Motormaster at Botcon in 2010. But I want my projects to be as accurate to the cartoon and toys as possible, and even though Jazz was one of the first figure I thought up, I just knew he would be too expensive of a project to get off the ground. It would be easier to track down a Fairlady-Z donor car than a custom Porshe 911 based track car. Oh well. I'm currently working on a G1 Bumblebee first and we'll see what goes from there.

that is the coolest car I have ever seen

I even put my porch on sale too! Hell, I'll even sell the patio and balcony. Who's buying?

Can anyone lend me a couple of Mill'?

Blackstreak wrote:I even put my porch on sale too! Hell, I'll even sell the patio and balcony. Who's buying?

haha, right! I don't know what you're talking about

No RUBSIGN???? Deal-breaker right there. Pass!

I wonder if they'll take checks post-dated for 2050 because I WANT this thing! Even if I can't fit my goddamn giant ass into the seat! I. WANT. THIS. CAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!!!!

Someone should buy this, and then repaint it into Stepper.

Don't forget to drill that hole for the Targetmaster too!

Jazz has been one of my favorites for a long time, and I'm also into vintage race cars. I would just love to see that thing in real life, let alone own it.

T-Macksimus wrote:No RUBSIGN???? Deal-breaker right there. Pass!

I love it.

alldarker wrote:Someone should buy this, and then repaint it into Stepper.

Don't forget to drill that hole for the Targetmaster too!

And then pay a midget to dress up as a target master to sit on the car and make shooty sounds while you drive.

alldarker wrote:Someone should buy this, and then repaint it into Stepper.

Don't forget to drill that hole for the Targetmaster too!

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:I wonder if they'll take checks post-dated for 2050 because I WANT this thing! Even if I can't fit my goddamn giant ass into the seat! I. WANT. THIS. CAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!!!!

It has no seats. You'll be just fine, XD Still, getting in can be a challenge on some cars....

2 mill ???

I want some of the s**t that they are smoking !!!

They say it has no windows then why does the picture show it with windows ???

I can understand no AC or radio, but no brakes ??? Cmon...

No seat, how do you drive the damn thing ??? Somebody had to drive it at one point, it has endorsments. What the hell happened to all the parts ???

No POWER windows, steering, brakes, seat.... no power. The lack of Power steering on a car like that is just harsh. You would have to wrestle that thing around the track.

GetRightRobot wrote:

The lack of Power steering on a car like that is just harsh. You would have to wrestle that thing around the track.

As a mechanic I have to respectfully disagree with that. It's a common misconception. Three factors determine how difficult a vehicle is to steer...

1) The vehicles overall weight and dimensions, versus the size of the steering wheel.
2) Whether the vehicle was supposed to have Power Steering (if the PS is dissabled it can cause problems depending on the make/model of the vehicle and how many pulleys or belts the are being used to power it).

3) And the third and MOST important is the vehicles speed or motion. The faster the vehicle is going the less difficult it is to steer, and that goes with any vehicle, not just Porsche race cars.

I have a 1966 Chevy stepside that doesn't have powersteering (designed before PS was common on cars), and a 1988 GMC Sierra with no power steering (that was designed after PS was common). We use these as work vehicles at our farm and they do fine. The '88 is a pain sometimes when your having to steer at a dead stop (especially in mud or dirt), but as long as its going it steers fine. I suspect that at the speeds involved for that Porsche to scoot around a track, combinded with how stripped down the weight and trim characteristics are on the frame and body, you might be surprised that you could steer it with one finger over 100mph, not that I would want to try that at that speed. The smaller the steering wheel, the more difficult it is to steer at slower and slower speed, so yeah, it might be like wrestling a bear at a dead stop or 10-20mph.

Sorry not trying to come across as a know-it-all, but I just have experience in this area.

*Also my Bumblebee project car is a 1972 VW Beetle, and it's the younger brother of the Porsche 911 they were both the brainchild of Ferdinand Porsche' and none of the Air-cooled Beetles of that era had power steering (with either Standard or Super Beetle suspensions) and you'd be surprised how easy it is to steer. I envision "Jazz" above would be just as easy to steer.

OK, NOW I'm being a know it all LOL, sorry.

Your knowledge is appreciated... I'm learning some new stuff

G1 Legacy wrote:GetRightRobot wrote:

The lack of Power steering on a car like that is just harsh. You would have to wrestle that thing around the track.

As a mechanic I have to respectfully disagree with that. It's a common misconception. Three factors determine how difficult a vehicle is to steer...

1) The vehicles overall weight and dimensions, versus the size of the steering wheel.
2) Whether the vehicle was supposed to have Power Steering (if the PS is dissabled it can cause problems depending on the make/model of the vehicle and how many pulleys or belts the are being used to power it).

3) And the third and MOST important is the vehicles speed or motion. The faster the vehicle is going the less difficult it is to steer, and that goes with any vehicle, not just Porsche race cars.

I have a 1966 Chevy stepside that doesn't have powersteering (designed before PS was common on cars), and a 1988 GMC Sierra with no power steering (that was designed after PS was common). We use these as work vehicles at our farm and they do fine. The '88 is a pain sometimes when your having to steer at a dead stop (especially in mud or dirt), but as long as its going it steers fine. I suspect that at the speeds involved for that Porsche to scoot around a track, combinded with how stripped down the weight and trim characteristics are on the frame and body, you might be surprised that you could steer it with one finger over 100mph, not that I would want to try that at that speed. The smaller the steering wheel, the more difficult it is to steer at slower and slower speed, so yeah, it might be like wrestling a bear at a dead stop or 10-20mph.

Sorry not trying to come across as a know-it-all, but I just have experience in this area.

Ditto



Track qualified at Myrtle Beach Speedway, oval and road course. No power steering makes a difference.

(and he just had to throw in his pictures to boot LOL)......and I suspect that stock Camaro weighs ALOT more than the trimmed down modified fiberglass 911 pictured above.
And when I say stock, thats not an insult, I'm implying weight, not engine performance modifications (nice ride, when it comes to domestics, I'm all Chevy/GMC). But have you ever driven a Volkswagen Beetle or Karmen Ghia? I have....and also Porshe 911 Turbo's, Targa's, and Boxsters' (both water and air-cooled) at the shop I worked at in college. I assure you, the lack of power steering is not an issue with the Martini 911. I guess the point I'm trying to convey here is the engineers wouldn't have designed it to be a dirt or dry track racer that was hard or difficult to navigate at dangerous speeds. Can we agree on that?

And not to change the subject but I know I mentioned keeping my replicas as show accurate as possible however I WILL NOT be making my Bumblebee interior solid pink as seen in the cartoons. I just can't bring myself to commit to that color (*Yuck). But I am working on a full size rub sign.

Oh, and for anyone else who is interested in this subject or hobby and is so inclined, don't just take my word for it, go research this stuff...get out there and enjoy the hobby.

And don't worry GetRightRobot. Your ego can take comfort in the fact that if our Bumblebee's ever are fortunate enough to meet up, your Bayformer will no doubt run circles around my Geewunner on the qualifying track!!! LMAO

I'm running a 1776cc on a stock tranny and axle set-up. Its a dropped front end with updated disc brake conversion up front, but still has stock style mastercylinder and emergency brake setup with drums still in the rear (insert percussion instrument joke here fella's). So, my top speed even with those few extra cc's is somewhere between 80-90 mph and thats on level ground. My speedo tops out at 100 but the cable is a little off so the dial just bounces over 100mph when I have the pedal to the floor, but I had a cop buddy clock me at an air strip and it was only 87-88 mph. But hey, it may only be a VW but thats fast enought to engage the flux capacitor on a DeLorean. So there....

Dude, your Bee could very easily crush mine! A good friend of mine that comes to the track days has a VW with a boxter 6 in the back....Christ that thing is fast! Heavy? OMG heavy. 3800 lbs! It's beast to fight.

Cool, now you got me daydreaming about a Camaro project. I already want a solid black NEW Camaro. I want to make an updated General Motors Knight Rider car. That airdam on the nose of the highend Camaro's is the perfect place to put a Cylon style red light (as long as it doesn't interfer with the functionality). I got irritated a few years ago when NBC put Knight Rider back on the air as a new Mustang. A FORD??? REALLY??? The original KITT was a general motors product and I know the new Camaro wasn't out yet at the time and also Pontiac was as good as dead at that point, but keep it in the family. Don't get me wrong, I like the new Mustang for what it is, and I'm glad the pony war is back on after a brief hiatus but KITT as a Mustang? I mean Barricade yes, but the Knight Industries Two Thousand....NO. Talk about a WTF moment. Alas, this is a subject for another message board (or two). LOL

G1 Legacy wrote:8) Cool, now you got me daydreaming about a Camaro project. I already want a solid black NEW Camaro. I want to make an updated General Motors Knight Rider car. That airdam on the nose of the highend Camaro's is the perfect place to put a Cylon style red light (as long as it doesn't interfer with the functionality). I got irritated a few years ago when NBC put Knight Rider back on the air as a new Mustang. A FORD??? REALLY??? The original KITT was a general motors product and I know the new Camaro wasn't out yet at the time and also Pontiac was as good as dead at that point, but keep it in the family. Don't get me wrong, I like the new Mustang for what it is, and I'm glad the pony war is back on after a brief hiatus but KITT as a Mustang? I mean Barricade yes, but the Knight Industries Two Thousand....NO. Talk about a WTF moment. Alas, this is a subject for another message board (or two). LOL

Ugh, that new Knight Rider was the lamest garbage I had ever seen. It really was an extended commercial for Mustang, with all the close ups of the logo, wtf is that to have in a tv show?

Now to piss some people off.... the show reminded me of the Transformers movie.

G1 Legacy wrote:8) Cool, now you got me daydreaming about a Camaro project. I already want a solid black NEW Camaro. I want to make an updated General Motors Knight Rider car. That airdam on the nose of the highend Camaro's is the perfect place to put a Cylon style red light (as long as it doesn't interfer with the functionality). I got irritated a few years ago when NBC put Knight Rider back on the air as a new Mustang. A FORD??? REALLY??? The original KITT was a general motors product and I know the new Camaro wasn't out yet at the time and also Pontiac was as good as dead at that point, but keep it in the family. Don't get me wrong, I like the new Mustang for what it is, and I'm glad the pony war is back on after a brief hiatus but KITT as a Mustang? I mean Barricade yes, but the Knight Industries Two Thousand....NO. Talk about a WTF moment. Alas, this is a subject for another message board (or two). LOL

Ugh, new Knight Rider... well I can tell you on track days, I'm one of the slowest cars out there. I drive with a vintage car club (I also have the newest car-1979). This thing is so heavy! Without power steering, under power, the steering gets SO incredibly squirrely! It's like liquid. Power steering not only makes it quicker to turn at low speeds, it helps slow it down under acceleration. Control. Now in a straight line, with good tires, I'm running low 12's. N/A small block with tko 3 speed and standard motor work: roller rockers, cam, cam lifter, pulleys, edelbrock matched intake and carb and jt hooker headers. On a track, your G1 Bumble would kick my @$$!