ROTF Box Office Sales not deterred by Movie Critic Reviews

Well, we did it. Now we can look forward to the third film making even less sense with more explosions and slo mo boob shots.

There will be a collective FU TF Fans in the movie and we'll love it.

First Gen wrote:Well, we did it. Now we can look forward to the third film making even less sense with more explosions and slo mo boob shots.

There will be a collective FU TF Fans in the movie and we'll love it.

I can't wait till the next FU TF Fans!..because this one was incredible.

Like all the times before when some story teller somewhere has kicked all the fans in the balls:

G2
Beast Wars
Beast Machines
Robots in Disguise
Armada
Energon
Cybertron
Animated

I'm going to love it.

(Interestingly enough, only G1 and Classics don't kick fans in the balls...)

The movie was fun and entertaining and *epic* in scope. I did what it set out to do and it did it well. It was never pretending to be Citizen Kane. It's 2 and 1/2 hours of robots punching each other. I went to the movie expecting 2 1/2 hours of robots beating each other up and I WAS NOT DISAPPOINTED. I'll admit there were some annoying things, like the twins, Leo, Simmons in a thong, etc. But it was still a spectacle.

Counterpunch wrote:

First Gen wrote:(Interestingly enough, only G1 and Classics don't kick fans in the balls...)

That about sums it up. Transformers fans seem to forget that the G1 Transformers show and movie were every bit as stupid and derivative as the current batch. The only real difference between movie Transformers and G1 Transformers is that the movies have more pre-teen juvenile aspects (pottymouth, excessive violence and T 'n A, etc.) And even that isn't that big of a change from G1. It just ages the material up from 6- to 12-year-olds to about 8- to 14-year-olds.

I'm with you, CP. I've managed to find something in every series to enjoy, even if it's not the fiction. Energon Megatron, for example, is still the only redeeming quality of Energon for me. I liked some series more than others, especially when it comes to figures.

I knew this movie was going to make some megabucks. And I'm happy to help it along. Gotta keep the franchise along. Besides, these ROTF figures are sweet (for those of us that dont mind Movie designs), and the paint apps, at least on mine, have been excellent.

Wait, it made over $400 million domestically in the first week? That's $300 less then the first worldwide.

Savage wrote:I'm with you, CP. I've managed to find something in every series to enjoy, even if it's not the fiction. Energon Megatron, for example, is still the only redeeming quality of Energon for me. I liked some series more than others, especially when it comes to figures.

Don't get me wrong there are redeeming qualities within Revenge of the Fail-Line, but the bad's, IMHO, far outweigh the goods.

My official stance on this film is that the action was great the story was atrocious.

I loved the first film, this one did not do it justice story wise.

Starscream:...somebody had to assume command.

Megatron: Nobody commands the Decepticons but me, even in death.

Two seconds later...

Megatron: Master, I've failed you...

WTF?!!!

First Gen wrote:My official stance on this film is that the action was great the story was atrocious.

I loved the first film, this one did not do it justice story wise.

Starscream:...somebody had to assume command.

Megatron: Nobody commands the Decepticons but me, even in death.

Two seconds later...

Megatron: Master, I've failed you...

WTF?!!!

The way I see it, Megatron commands the Cons while The Fallen commands him, kinda like Cobra Commander and Serpentor in GI Joe if I'm correct.

Dead Metal wrote:

First Gen wrote:My official stance on this film is that the action was great the story was atrocious.

I loved the first film, this one did not do it justice story wise.

Starscream:...somebody had to assume command.

Megatron: Nobody commands the Decepticons but me, even in death.

Two seconds later...

Megatron: Master, I've failed you...

WTF?!!!

The way I see it, Megatron commands the Cons while The Fallen commands him, kinda like Cobra Commander and Serpentor in GI Joe if I'm correct.

Um, no DM. If you remember Serpentor assumed full command of the Cobra forces and everyone was glad he did it. And no, Megatron answered to no one in the first film, he was to rule the Universe with the power of the Allspark, now he's the Fallen's bitch, a crap TF that has to have Megatron beat Prime for him cause he can't do it himself. Thats just sad.

I saw the film in IMAX and I was not disappointed at all.


Closely structured the same way as the first film, ROTF has more eye-popping robot action and it is much darker, yet there are moments of dumb comedy which make us laugh. I am surprised there are more robots here and that they are designed beyond the box. This is definitely one of the best blockbuster films I have ever seen.

Now I have one phrase for those critics who panned the film: "SCREW ALL OF YOU!!!" Your reviews did not stop me from watching ROTF.

First Gen wrote:My official stance on this film is that the action was great the story was atrocious.

I loved the first film, this one did not do it justice story wise.

Starscream:...somebody had to assume command.

Megatron: Nobody commands the Decepticons but me, even in death.

Two seconds later...

Megatron: Master, I've failed you...

WTF?!!!

Think of it this way, Count Dooku is the leader of the CIS in Star Wars, but he still answers directly to Darth Sidious. In the same way, Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons, but still answers directly to the Fallen.

Let's not forget the mis-characterization of Prime also. One might as well have had the dialogue from the first film only thus:

Prime Decepticons don't deserve to live.

Megatron They deserve the right to choose for themselves.


Prime Then you will join them in extinction!

Primus C-00 wrote:Let's not forget the mis-characterization of Prime also. One might as well have had the dialogue from the first film only thus:

Prime Decepticons don't deserve to live.

Megatron They deserve the right to choose for themselves.


Prime Then you will join them in extinction!

Oh please...

Megatron even taunts Prime for continuing to fight for the weak.

First Gen wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

First Gen wrote:My official stance on this film is that the action was great the story was atrocious.

I loved the first film, this one did not do it justice story wise.

Starscream:...somebody had to assume command.

Megatron: Nobody commands the Decepticons but me, even in death.

Two seconds later...

Megatron: Master, I've failed you...

WTF?!!!

The way I see it, Megatron commands the Cons while The Fallen commands him, kinda like Cobra Commander and Serpentor in GI Joe if I'm correct.

Um, no DM. If you remember Serpentor assumed full command of the Cobra forces and everyone was glad he did it. And no, Megatron answered to no one in the first film, he was to rule the Universe with the power of the Allspark, now he's the Fallen's bitch, a crap TF that has to have Megatron beat Prime for him cause he can't do it himself. Thats just sad.

I'm going to assume maybe with the Allspark he would have figured a way to rule the Universe behind The Fallen's back, however the cube destroyed ruins that for Megatron. Even the Star Wars comparison and such, Sidious had to have people do his dirty work so he can have his goals set and I beat if Anakin never turned he would have killed or at least expose Sidious so he could never become the Emperor. Kinda makes sense in that way.

First Gen wrote:Well, we did it. Now we can look forward to the third film making even less sense with more explosions and slo mo boob shots.

There will be a collective FU TF Fans in the movie and we'll love it.

Slo mo boob shots are a bad thing? Explosions too?

I don't like to agree with the critics but the first time I saw this film, I was ready to leave after half an hour. Wanted to see cool robots and what did we get? Demolisher, a unicyclebot and the most hideous TF since the Mini-cons.

Then we got the twins who again resembled oversized Mini-cons of the cheap KO variety. They were essentially Jar-jar Binks in TF form, even bearing similar faces. Buckteeth on a robot? Come on!!!

Let's not forget Wheelie. I'm sorry I don't want a TF that swears just to be funny and give the pretence of personality.

I almost forgot Scalpel. Has the Armada Trilogy thought us nothing? An accent doesn't seem right on an alien robot and is a poor substitute for personality.

What really gets me about the film is the lack of personality in the bots. When you consider that G1 had dozens of great characters brimming with potential as shown in the More Than Meets the Eye books, and they had to come up with crap new TF's? The Armada and Beast Wars profile books had great characters too who'd I'd gladly have seen translated to the Movie-verse.

I mean, Jolt, Sideways, Sideswipe, the Arcee-bots and Long Haul all had far superior aesthetic and were kept to the background overshadowed by the Crap-bots.

Am I the only one who found Jetfire's background unclear? As in how he ended up as a Blackbird? Had he just arrived on Earth, I'd assume he just scanned one but there's something that just doesn't mesh to me about it. He had a better storyline in the PS2 game.

I liked the idea of the Fallen and the Primes but wish they looked more like TF's than Ents. Of course if we're moving into LOTR territory, it's a shame Mr. Jackson didn't direct these films. Now there's a director who not only respects the source material, but makes it recognisable to the fans, accessible to the new audience and just comes out with a film everyone loves.

Now after 8 days, I managed to overcome my misgivings and go see it a second time, with considerably lowered expectations. Surprisingly I managed to enjoy it this time as knowing what was ahead of me, I could try and focus on the positives.

I did like Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, Ravage, the Fallen, Prime and Bumblebee. After the first film, I would have liked to see more Ratchet, though I will never be a fan of Movie Ironhide.

Biggest surprise was finding Simmons likeable in this one. Hated him in the last but he wasn't as bad as Sam's flatmate. Not trying to be stereotypical but I just see Armada Carlos when I look at him and I find them to be the joint most annoying humans in TF's.

Still, we can only hope with the third one, the series redeems itself as did Star Wars and Spiderman.

Poor movie critics. They all seem so disillusioned. They seem to think they are the deciding factor in the Box Office when they never were. People are smart. They choose what appeals to them. I thought the Star Wars prequels indicated as much!

Franchises have a track record, a built-in audience. Spider-Man 3 sucked and still did big business. I don't know of anyone who says "I'll wait for the reviews" when it comes to an event movie. They pretty much decide beforehand.

Critics are only good for spotlighting obscure films that deserve some attention.

Okay, if we're gonna bring up Star Wars then you need to disregard Episodes 1, 2 and 3 because they were all prequels. Any RELEVANT comparison would be Vadar and the Emperor when it comes to Megs and the Fallen, and if you use that you're wrong. Why? Cause the Emperor was kicking Luke Skywalker's ass, the only one that posed a threat to him being the last Jedi, like Prime was the last Prime, and it took Vadar turning on him for Luke not to die.

Hey if you liked it, good for you, I'm glad you enjoyed it and that you really didn't care about the story. But when TF3 comes around and they just throw Unicron at you without rhyme or reason using the "Oh it predates us" excuse, then remember I told you so.

Reading these comments makes me sad If this movie didn't please fans then what will? Seriously! What do you nay-sayers want??
I thought that it was an awesome flick! There were so many satisfying G1 tidbits! Devastator, Soundwave (voiced by Welker himself!), Ravage, Energon, Pretenders, the first 13 cybertronians, a super-bad dude from an obscure cancelled comic series (awesome!) and even the Matrix of Leadership itself! Complete with a near death revelation!

A lotta people seem upset over Megatron's association with the Fallen. The IDW prequel comics shed a lot of light on that but yeah the best way to describe it is it's like Darth Vader and the Emperor. He's still No. 1 but there's also an older bad guy who can offer him a lotta power, and he kinda owes him for saving his life.

Just an overall great time. Prime's death had me on the edge of my seat saying 'what? . . .' You know you were too! Admit it! If Optimus Prime dying doesn't make you sad then you don't deserve to be called a fan.

Take that Ebert! This movie was awsome and I hope it goes on to break even more records!

At first I thought the new Harry Potter film would slow RotF to this goal, at least for a week, but apparently HP isn't opening next week as I thought, so RotF may come close. Not much opening next week.

First Gen wrote:Okay, if we're gonna bring up Star Wars then you need to disregard Episodes 1, 2 and 3 because they were all prequels.

So...Now I'm confused, they're prequels, but anything that happens can't be used as an argument? I don't understand.

First Gen wrote:But when TF3 comes around and they just throw Unicron at you without rhyme or reason using the "Oh it predates us" excuse, then remember I told you so.

Isn't that how they've always done Unicron?

yes, its on a good pace, but i predict a 80% drop off this weekend with maybe a new number 1, it won't be the biggest movie of the year i half-promise you that. IDC what anyone says... skids and mudflap were awesome. funny, stupid valiant warriors with no fear...until they give bb his voice back (yeah right) s and mf were absolutely cool

Hector wrote:Reading these comments makes me sad If this movie didn't please fans then what will? Seriously! What do you nay-sayers want??
I thought that it was an awesome flick! There were so many satisfying G1 tidbits! Devastator, Soundwave (voiced by Welker himself!), Ravage, Energon, Pretenders, the first 13 cybertronians, a super-bad dude from an obscure cancelled comic series (awesome!) and even the Matrix of Leadership itself! Complete with a near death revelation!

Is it too much to ask for a story thats continuous? One that not only follows up on the first film but also compliments it? And yeah, I was super stoked to hear Welker's "Dr. Claw" as Soundwave. That was pretty sweet.

Shadowman wrote:So...Now I'm confused, they're prequels, but anything that happens can't be used as an argument? I don't understand.

Well, I stated before the only true comparison is Vadar and the Emperor with Luke Skywalker and the reasoning behind it above. Please re read that so you understand what I mean.

Shadowman wrote:Isn't that how they've always done Unicron?

Like I told Hector, is it too much to ask for a cohesive story? Really? We're paying the money, we're making it historic, don't we deserve better?

I reiterate, the action was great, the story atrocious.

These sales figures just confirm one thing to me however, some people set their expectations far too high to the point they simply couldn't sit back and enjoy a movie.

but burn, your the anti troll too, it essentially makes you a troll your self

Please tell me how i'm the "anti-troll"?

I've said I liked the movie and moved on. I've hardly joined in any discussion on the movie in fact. Most of the time i've been reiterating the Mod stance and that's for people to respect the opinions of others.

And any time I have joined in the discussion i've made sure i've had something different to say each time and that it related to the topic at hand, not the whole "teh movie is teh suXXorz" that some people like to take from thread to thread.

First Gen wrote:

Shadowman wrote:So...Now I'm confused, they're prequels, but anything that happens can't be used as an argument? I don't understand.

Well, I stated before the only true comparison is Vadar and the Emperor with Luke Skywalker and the reasoning behind it above. Please re read that so you understand what I mean.

But it still doesn't make sense. The Dooku-Sidious/Megatron-Fallen comparison actually works, but the "only true comparison" doesn't. Why don't the prequel movies count?

Shadowman wrote:

First Gen wrote:

Shadowman wrote:So...Now I'm confused, they're prequels, but anything that happens can't be used as an argument? I don't understand.

Well, I stated before the only true comparison is Vadar and the Emperor with Luke Skywalker and the reasoning behind it above. Please re read that so you understand what I mean.

But it still doesn't make sense. The Dooku-Sidious/Megatron-Fallen comparison actually works, but the "only true comparison" doesn't. Why don't the prequel movies count?

Ok, let me break this down for you:

Fallen equals Emperor, Ultimate leader (apparently) with full control of the Decepticon Empire.

Megatron equals Vadar (again, apparently) who everyone's (Decepticons, that is) scared crapless of and worships.

Prime equals Luke Skywalker being the last Prime (Jedi) and the only thing that stands in the way of the Fallen (The Emperor) of having complete domination of the Universe (Empire). Luke was the only person who could possibly stop the Emperor and the Fallen clearly stated that only a Prime could defeat him.

Now, what don't you get?

First Gen wrote:Okay, if we're gonna bring up Star Wars then you need to disregard Episodes 1, 2 and 3 because they were all prequels. Any RELEVANT comparison would be Vadar and the Emperor when it comes to Megs and the Fallen, and if you use that you're wrong. Why? Cause the Emperor was kicking Luke Skywalker's ass, the only one that posed a threat to him being the last Jedi, like Prime was the last Prime, and it took Vadar turning on him for Luke not to die.

Hey if you liked it, good for you, I'm glad you enjoyed it and that you really didn't care about the story. But when TF3 comes around and they just throw Unicron at you without rhyme or reason using the "Oh it predates us" excuse, then remember I told you so.

Prequels or not, the said comparisons work. Because lets face the facts here. There will always be someone who is going to be above you until a certain point. Sidious still made Darth do all the dirty work and only attacked Luke because he refused the dark side. This time in Transformers Megatron was just another leader and his boss was the Fallen. It could have been Unicron (Which by the way is the biggest random plot ever that had no real pupose or backstory until later on). But it's common to see that sort of plot device now.

I mean we are talking about Transformers. They didn't get a plot in the US until Beast Wars came along. I mean even BW Megatron had someone above him before he went rogue. Shoot G1 Megatron was constructed by the Constructicons for crying out loud.

First Gen wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

First Gen wrote:

Shadowman wrote:So...Now I'm confused, they're prequels, but anything that happens can't be used as an argument? I don't understand.

Well, I stated before the only true comparison is Vadar and the Emperor with Luke Skywalker and the reasoning behind it above. Please re read that so you understand what I mean.

But it still doesn't make sense. The Dooku-Sidious/Megatron-Fallen comparison actually works, but the "only true comparison" doesn't. Why don't the prequel movies count?

Ok, let me break this down for you:

Fallen equals Emperor, Ultimate leader (apparently) with full control of the Decepticon Empire.

Megatron equals Vadar (again, apparently) who everyone's (Decepticons, that is) scared crapless of and worships.

Prime equals Luke Skywalker being the last Prime (Jedi) and the only thing that stands in the way of the Fallen (The Emperor) of having complete domination of the Universe (Empire). Luke was the only person who could possibly stop the Emperor and the Fallen clearly stated that only a Prime could defeat him.

Now, what don't you get?

While I'll admit that the first two parts are pretty good (Although interchangeable with the Dooku-Sidious comparison, Megatron ruled the Decepticons, he wasn't just a mean scary face) you might want to watch Return of the Jedi again, because that last part is all wrong; Luke was busy writhing on the floor when Vader killed Sidious. And even if Vader hadn't killed Sidious, they would have both died when the Death Star blew up moments later, thanks to Lando.

And what I didn't "get" was how the prequels are not relevant.

Shadowman wrote:While I'll admit that the first two parts are pretty good (Although interchangeable with the Dooku-Sidious comparison, Megatron ruled the Decepticons, he wasn't just a mean scary face) you might want to watch Return of the Jedi again, because that last part is all wrong; Luke was busy writhing on the floor when Vader killed Sidious. And even if Vader hadn't killed Sidious, they would have both died when the Death Star blew up moments later, thanks to Lando.

And what I didn't "get" was how the prequels are not relevant.

You just proved my whole argument, yes Luke was writhing on the floor and yes Vadar killed him but that doesn't change the fact that Luke was the Emperor's biggest threat, the only one that could kill him, and essentially Luke did cause he made his father realize he still loved his son and that the dark side was not his master. The fear of the Emperor was realized cause the one thing that could destroy him did.

And really, you're gonna bring up Lando blowing up the Death Star? Like there was no way for them to get out in time? C'mon.

This movie was effing EPIC!!!!!! but like every movie it had its ups and its downs, this movie only had a few downs in my opinion, such as old characters didnt get much screen time and new characters barely did too and wasnt much character development, Megatron's resurrection and Fallen vs. Prime was also too fast, and worse all the constructicons didnt get much screenin either or Jolt. but in the end, this movie was truly amazing and blew the first one out of cybertron. and everything i expected from this movie, it happened and wasnt dissapointed at all

But you still haven't answered my question: How are the prequel movies irrelevant?

Shadowman wrote:But you still haven't answered my question: How are the prequel movies irrelevant?

Shadowman, seriously, you're like one of the most intelligent posters on Seibertron.com and you're asking me this?

Was it ever stated with the Douku/Sid combo that only one threat was ever posed to Sid?

I like this part of the article where it states the point of the movie is to entertain. Why can't movies just be for fun? All the people who have seen the movie say the same thing "I want to see it again and again!" and always "I heard it's getting bad reviews" oh well...I love the movie and I think we should all just relax and enjoy it as well.

First Gen wrote:Was it ever stated with the Douku/Sid combo that only one threat was ever posed to Sid?

Yes. From Yoda: "Fully defeated by just anyone, the dark side cannot be, but only by the Chosen One. And who might be this Jedi? Know I do not, but not yet born is he or she. This much, sense I can. A vessel of pure Force the Chosen One will be, more powerful than any Jedi in history." George Lucas also admitted that Anakin really was the Chosen One. Luke wasn't the threat to Sidious, Vader was, Luke was only the catalyst.

maybe you 2 should go talk on a star wars forum

No one listens to critics thats why. these days its all word of mouth and what ever people say on their blogs. The day of the critic is long gone and they are an extinct species. Only reasons why this movie is doing well is A) its a summer action movie,B) People have nothing better to do, C) explosions sell, D) Megan Fox in slow motion could sell a half eaten rotten burger with rat crap on top. ROTF is better then the first one ill give it that, but not by much. Im sure if i had the ability to shut off my brain id probably think it was a great movie to but i cant do that. Just trying to figure out how these damn transformations make any sense makes me want to hit my head against the wall. Not only that but, to much crap was thrown in, it was to damn long, humans ruin it....again, and bay cant wright a decent story to save his life. He has a great directing and visual style but thats about it. He could've done so much here and he really dropped the ball. He could've made a great action movie and a great TF continuity but he went the easy way and made a movie for the masses. And thats why i hate him & this franchise. When the third one comes out im not seeing it. Ill wait until its up on the net for free then ill decide if its worth my time and money to see in the theater. With this track record i doubt it. (Sorry for the long post/rant)

Shadowman wrote:

First Gen wrote:Was it ever stated with the Douku/Sid combo that only one threat was ever posed to Sid?

Yes. From Yoda: "Fully defeated by just anyone, the dark side cannot be, but only by the Chosen One. And who might be this Jedi? Know I do not, but not yet born is he or she. This much, sense I can. A vessel of pure Force the Chosen One will be, more powerful than any Jedi in history." George Lucas also admitted that Anakin really was the Chosen One. Luke wasn't the threat to Sidious, Vader was, Luke was only the catalyst.

Um, okay. Episode 1 right? When Anakin was a kid slave that was originally thought to be too old to begin Jedi training? The whole time they were referring to Luke, you know this cause it was a prequel, regardless of what Lucas said after the fact.

Like I said, the Douku/Sid combo never faced the real threat. Not to mention the fact that Douku couldn't beat Yoda despite his advanced age.

Ok, for the whole "Megatron is the Fallen's bitch thing", take this little recipe and see how it works.

Substitute the Fallen with Unicron
Replace Megatron with Galvatron
Add in the whole "I can eat planets but I'm scared to go after a little glowy thing the size of a large air conditioner myself"
And throw in a dash of "hey, it worked for us back in '86"
And you have your little "evil guys barking order and backstabbing" cake.

If you really think about it, it's all but the same thing. Megs/Galvatron want power and the universe in their hand, while they, for one reason or another, have to answer to a higher power all while trying to figure out a way to get the upper hand on said higher power.
Besides, if you wanted to do justice to the Fallen's source material, you'd have to write in Unicron, since the Fallen himself was basically an uber badass who was also Unicron's bitch.
Move on with your lives.

First Gen wrote:regardless of what Lucas said after the fact.

You can argue that all you want, but in terms of Star Wars, what Lucas says, goes, and he said Vader WAS the Chosen One, who was meant to bring balance to the Force.

Although Palpatine died on Byss, when Han Solo shot him in the back.

Megatron Wolf wrote:No one listens to critics thats why. these days its all word of mouth and what ever people say on their blogs. The day of the critic is long gone and they are an extinct species. Only reasons why this movie is doing well is A) its a summer action movie,B) People have nothing better to do, C) explosions sell, D) Megan Fox in slow motion could sell a half eaten rotten burger with rat crap on top. ROTF is better then the first one ill give it that, but not by much. Im sure if i had the ability to shut off my brain id probably think it was a great movie to but i cant do that. Just trying to figure out how these damn transformations make any sense makes me want to hit my head against the wall. Not only that but, to much crap was thrown in, it was to damn long, humans ruin it....again, and bay cant wright a decent story to save his life. He has a great directing and visual style but thats about it. He could've done so much here and he really dropped the ball. He could've made a great action movie and a great TF continuity but he went the easy way and made a movie for the masses. And thats why i hate him & this franchise. When the third one comes out im not seeing it. Ill wait until its up on the net for free then ill decide if its worth my time and money to see in the theater. With this track record i doubt it. (Sorry for the long post/rant)

No need to apologize, real recognize real...Even if Seibertron is by far the most Baylovin' TF site on the net and this movie trumps DarkNight's box office numbers in the end I'll always be proud of being true to Transformers and to the fanbase that only wants something with coherency to go along with cool action...I'll never be ashamed of wanting to defy the least common denominator and letting it be known that in the storm of mediocrity I stood for more than that...Despite what anyone says G1 stood for more than that too...

wingdarkness wrote:in the end I'll always be proud of being true to Transformers and to the fanbase that only wants something with coherency to go along with cool action...

And one day, maybe you'll actually get to see a TF series like that.

HECTOR wrote:Reading these comments makes me sad If this movie didn't please fans then what will? Seriously! What do you nay-sayers want??
I thought that it was an awesome flick! There were so many satisfying G1 tidbits! Devastator, Soundwave (voiced by Welker himself!), Ravage, Energon, Pretenders, the first 13 cybertronians, a super-bad dude from an obscure cancelled comic series (awesome!) and even the Matrix of Leadership itself! Complete with a near death revelation!

A lotta people seem upset over Megatron's association with the Fallen. The IDW prequel comics shed a lot of light on that but yeah the best way to describe it is it's like Darth Vader and the Emperor. He's still No. 1 but there's also an older bad guy who can offer him a lotta power, and he kinda owes him for saving his life.

Just an overall great time. Prime's death had me on the edge of my seat saying 'what? . . .' You know you were too! Admit it! If Optimus Prime dying doesn't make you sad then you don't deserve to be called a fan.

The first film pleased me immensely, so surely this film should've built on that and improved, not forsaken the best bits or rehashed quite possibly the worst elements of the first.

As I have stated before I had little or no expectations when I walked into the cinema at midnight, all those weeks ago, and that is why it hurt so much when I walked out nearly three hours later.

Again, as stated before, clusterbombing:

G1 tidbits

Does not equal narrative or characterisation. Devastator (and the Constructicons) really didn't do very much, if anything they were just there for another Military Money Shot. Soundwave, again, did very little except have tentacle sex with satellites and sound like Dr. Claw. Ravage was ok, but essentially a poor imitation of Frenzy, and a contrivance. Alice/Pretender again was ok, reminded me of an ex, but essentially a contrivance.

At least Alice and Ravage had the fortune to appear in the first third of the film where plot and characterisation stil made a vague appearance

The whole 13/Fallen/Megatron thing, ultimately, makes no sense. Furthermore why should I go out and spend £10-£14 just for it to make sense? Yes the first film had prequel comics, but they added to the flavour of the film, they weren't essential to having the film make sense. If the Megatron/Fallen dynamic is as everyone states it is, very Star Wars, then that my friends is weak.

The Matrix of Leadership? Why?

Ok, so the animated incarnation was essentially a contrivance in itself as well, but at least that was well written and well executed.

Quite frankly Prime's death couldn't've interested me any less. Firstly because it happens all the time, secondly Prime had changed from noble almost fearful scholar into soulless killing machine and thirdly because lugging around the corpse pretty much gives away the fact he'll return,.

At least in the animated series we had to wait for a spectacular return.

I'll tell you what the first film had that this didn't. Humility, and respect. Making the first film I dare say the fans figured deeply in what was produced, this time around someone *cough* Bay *cough* knew they had a cash cow franchise on their hands and could pretty much do whatever they want.

Anyway, I'm done with Revenge of the Fail-Line, because that is what, IMHO, it is. Epic Fail. Instead I shall leave those of you with more than one brain cell and critical faculties with something thought provoking from Nietzsche:

Where solitude endeth, there beginneth the market-place; and where the market-place beginneth, there beginneth also the noise of the great actors, and the buzzing of the poison-flies.

In the world even the best things are worthless without those who represent them: those representers, the people call great men.

Little, do the people understand what is great—that is to say, the creating agency. But they have a taste for all representers and actors of great things.

http://www.geocities.com/thenietzschechannel/zarapt1.htm#flies

Goodnight.

Shadowman wrote:

wingdarkness wrote:in the end I'll always be proud of being true to Transformers and to the fanbase that only wants something with coherency to go along with cool action...

And one day, maybe you'll actually get to see a TF series like that.

Oh trust me I got all the G1 stuff just 1 click away and I've seen more coherency and stuff that makes decent sense there than I'll ever see on the silver screen (Although those with fuzzy memories will always try to distort, good thing I'm not one of those people^^)...

Shadowman wrote:

wingdarkness wrote:in the end I'll always be proud of being true to Transformers and to the fanbase that only wants something with coherency to go along with cool action...

And one day, maybe you'll actually get to see a TF series like that.

Wasn't that Animated? Or prior to that Beast Wars, particularly everything including and after The Agenda?

wingdarkness wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

wingdarkness wrote:in the end I'll always be proud of being true to Transformers and to the fanbase that only wants something with coherency to go along with cool action...

And one day, maybe you'll actually get to see a TF series like that.

Oh trust me I got all the G1 stuff just 1 click away and I've seen more coherency and stuff that makes decent sense there than I'll ever see on the silver screen (Although those with fuzzy memories will always try to distort, good thing I'm not one of those people^^)...

Wait wait wait...G1 had good storytelling an action? I'm talking about the original series of Transformers, what are you talking about?

Primus C-00 wrote:Wasn't that Animated? Or prior to that Beast Wars, particularly everything including and after The Agenda?

Yes and Yes. Beast Machines had a good story, but they seriously screwed up with characterization. (Turning Primal into a hippie, Silverbolt into an emo, Cheetor into the embodiment of angst, etc.) And while the movies have fantastic action, I'll admit that they aren't exactly Shakespeare when it comes to storytelling. (Luckily, my brain includes an on/off switch for just such an occasion, also for Die Hard, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and Transformers in general)

First Gen wrote:My official stance on this film is that the action was great the story was atrocious.

I loved the first film, this one did not do it justice story wise.

Starscream:...somebody had to assume command.

Megatron: Nobody commands the Decepticons but me, even in death.

Two seconds later...

Megatron: Master, I've failed you...

WTF?!!!

Agreed. I finally saw it today and found myself wanting some parts to be more like the first one while others to be less like it. In the end, I liked the first one a lot more.

And am I the only person who thought the effects were no were near a seamless as they were in the first one? All the bots seemed to stand out a little too much. And the Fallen in Time Square was laughable.

Maybe I'll like it more if I see it again.