Rumored List of BotCon 2013 Attendee Only Figures

RAcast wrote:Oh no, not MORE Classics Starscreams!

I feel really, really sorry for that mold now... Poor guy.

So let's see...

Set 1: Prowl and Sandstorm
Set 2: Starscream and Thundercracker
Set 3: Rainmakers

Then Electro should be the freebie. That should complete the MW lineup except for Hubcap, Mirage and Soundwave.

I'd like it if they reissued the original Electro toy, but in new, less GPS-vulnerable plastic. It's a decent toy, especially for the time, but the shitty plastic makes it ridiculously rare and overly expensive.

I would honestly love more classics seekers.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Then Electro should be the freebie. That should complete the MW lineup except for Hubcap, Mirage and Soundwave.

Well Cybertron Defense Red Alert is the perfect mold for Soundwave, but I doubt they'll do it.

If they do a Soundwave with another mold, it just won't be the same.

Burn wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Then Electro should be the freebie. That should complete the MW lineup except for Hubcap, Mirage and Soundwave.

Well Cybertron Defense Red Alert is the perfect mold for Soundwave, but I doubt they'll do it.

If they do a Soundwave with another mold, it just won't be the same.

Well, assuming UT molds are still too old and worn to make new figures from, that just leaves customs. Fortunately, the best custom Soundwave made from the Cybertron Defense Red Alert/Universe Countdown mold already exists as a template:






Sandstorm looks okay for what he is, though I don't have a great deal of affection for the character. If indeed Thundercracker and Starscream share a package, I'll get off very cheap this year with those two and their fellow 'Cons Skywarp and Megaplex. Throw in Obsidian and I walk away with my wallet only badly wounded, but surviving.

Though if BotCon 2012 is anything to go by, the figures will be mixed up with each other, in little "versus" sets, so I may end up stuck with a few surplus Autobots...

Not that I have any interest in MW Sandstorm, but a new head may have helped.

Actually, I think GDO Springer's head would have been PERFECT for this.

Meh.

My eyes are bleeding, but it's a good kind of pain.

This list is all well and good, but hasn't Sabrblade mentioned in the past that figures before a certain year, are off limits to the club due "mold degradation" and extra fees? then again the club has proven fickle in the past; like with the use prime Skyquake mold even though some of us said it was too new for them to use.

Sandstorm looks GLORIOUS!

El Duque wrote:Machine Wars Starscream from Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Terradive

I sincerely hope not.

Starscream was GARGANTUAN in Machine Wars. He should either be reflected as such in new toy using a larger size class mold, or keep his original 1997 toy's body.

After all, the original teaser we saw for this set had him in his 1997 toy body, anyway.

Sabrblade wrote:Sandstorm looks GLORIOUS!

El Duque wrote:Machine Wars Starscream from Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Terradive

I sincerely hope not.

Starscream was GARGANTUAN in Machine Wars. He should either be reflected as such in new toy using a larger size class mold, or keep his original 1997 toy's body.

After all, the original teaser we saw for this set had him in his 1997 toy body, anyway.

Of the available molds, Terradive is probably the closest they can get to Starscream. The only other possibility is the Universe Silverbolt mold, but the Club already used up their new heads allotment.

And since the third and final Voyager figure has been revealed, there are nothing but Deluxe molds left to work with anyway.

That just leaves the Custom Class figure to speculate on...

If these turn out to be accurate then it's shaping up to be a nicer set than I was expecting. I still can't justify going after too much on the secondary market but depending on how the decos turn out I might just have to add the Rainmaker pack on to the want list with Stryka and Obsidian. So my priorities from the Machine Wars set are the guys that don't actually have anything to do with the original Machine Wars line. I guess I'd go for SS, SW and TC as well if I ever happen to catch them for the right price, but not as high a priority. I have my DotM Skyhammer on my Classics shelf as a stand in Rotorstorm, so that being used as his mouldmate here makes an awful lot of sense to me.

Henry921 wrote:That just leaves the Custom Class figure to speculate on...

Soundwave from Warpath?

waaaaghlord wrote:

Henry921 wrote:That just leaves the Custom Class figure to speculate on...

Soundwave from Warpath?

If anyone for Soundwave, I'd guess RTS Perceptor.

I believe the custom class figure has to be a toy that they are already using in either the box or the add ons.

waaaaghlord wrote:I believe the custom class figure has to be a toy that they are already using in either the box or the add ons.

It wasn't in 2008 with Shattered Glass Nightbeat.

Though to be fair it was every other year, so you may be right.

It was Overkill from Classics Grimlock in 08 wasn't it? Same year the figure was used for SG Grimlock.

edit- No, Overkill in 07, Nightbeat in 08. They'll have got the Nightbeat kits from the factory at the same time as the Club Nightbeat figures though so I guess that makes Overkill the oddball, out of left field guy.

If the Classics Seeker mold is getting used, as the cartoon Rainmakers, maybe the Custom Class bot will be the orange comic version of Sunstorm?

Henry921 wrote:Of the available molds, Terradive is probably the closest they can get to Starscream. The only other possibility is the Universe Silverbolt mold, but the Club already used up their new heads allotment.

And since the third and final Voyager figure has been revealed, there are nothing but Deluxe molds left to work with anyway.

OR, since all 12 of the 1997 toys are going to appear as characters in this story anyway, they could have just not made a new Starscream toy.

this is on par with the rumors i heard as well. as other mentioned, starscream from terradive and soundwave from perceptor are part of that rumor.

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:Of the available molds, Terradive is probably the closest they can get to Starscream. The only other possibility is the Universe Silverbolt mold, but the Club already used up their new heads allotment.

And since the third and final Voyager figure has been revealed, there are nothing but Deluxe molds left to work with anyway.

OR, since all 12 of the 1997 toys are going to appear as characters in this story anyway, they could have just not made a new Starscream toy.

Wait. What about Sandstorm? Is he meant to be a clone too? Or Prowl/Mirage for that matter?

dat camo

Henry921 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:Of the available molds, Terradive is probably the closest they can get to Starscream. The only other possibility is the Universe Silverbolt mold, but the Club already used up their new heads allotment.

And since the third and final Voyager figure has been revealed, there are nothing but Deluxe molds left to work with anyway.

OR, since all 12 of the 1997 toys are going to appear as characters in this story anyway, they could have just not made a new Starscream toy.

Wait. What about Sandstorm? Is he meant to be a clone too? Or Prowl/Mirage for that matter?

The Autobots, at least, are their true selves.

Thus, 1997 Hoist, and not 1997 Sandstorm, have been rendered redundant by these new toys.

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:Of the available molds, Terradive is probably the closest they can get to Starscream. The only other possibility is the Universe Silverbolt mold, but the Club already used up their new heads allotment.

And since the third and final Voyager figure has been revealed, there are nothing but Deluxe molds left to work with anyway.

OR, since all 12 of the 1997 toys are going to appear as characters in this story anyway, they could have just not made a new Starscream toy.

Wait. What about Sandstorm? Is he meant to be a clone too? Or Prowl/Mirage for that matter?

The Autobots, at least, are their true selves.

Thus, 1997 Hoist, and not 1997 Sandstorm, have been rendered redundant by these new toys.

So if some figures have already been rendered moot, why not Starscream as well? And as the three revealed Decepticons are clones anyway, a Starscream figure could fill the same role in fiction.

Well, if that is the confirmed list of add ons for this years Botcon, I'm definitely saving a lot of money. This set is not to my tastes but for those who like it, I hope you enjoy them. Depending on how they look, I may try and get the Rainmakers but I have a feeling I can easily pass on them.

Can't wait for the Botcon coverage and new toy reveals.

I love this mold, I picked of three of them and I can't wait to get my hands on this.

waaaaghlord wrote:It was Overkill from Classics Grimlock in 08 wasn't it? Same year the figure was used for SG Grimlock.

edit- No, Overkill in 07, Nightbeat in 08. They'll have got the Nightbeat kits from the factory at the same time as the Club Nightbeat figures though so I guess that makes Overkill the oddball, out of left field guy.

Forgetting Universe Rumble and Inferno from Cybertron Scrapmetal are we? 2006. Let's see what the list has, and who they're based on:

2006: Universe Rumble and Inferno (Cybertron Scrapmetal (red))
2007: Classics Overkill (Classics Grimlock)
2008: SG Nightbeat (TFCC Nightbeat)
2009: SG Thunderclash (BotCon 2009 Thunderclash)
2010: G2 Sideswipe (Universe Sideswipe, unique plastic colors)
2011: Animated Minerva (Animated Arcee, unique plastic colors and unofficial retooling)
2012: SG Longarm (RtS Special Ops Jazz, unique plastic colors, and unofficial retooling)

Starting in 2009, they use molds also used for the sets and starting in 2011 they start retooling. I wonder what they'll do nest.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

waaaaghlord wrote:It was Overkill from Classics Grimlock in 08 wasn't it? Same year the figure was used for SG Grimlock.

edit- No, Overkill in 07, Nightbeat in 08. They'll have got the Nightbeat kits from the factory at the same time as the Club Nightbeat figures though so I guess that makes Overkill the oddball, out of left field guy.

Forgetting Universe Rumble and Inferno from Cybertron Scrapmetal are we? 2006. Let's see what the list has, and who they're based on:

2006: Universe Rumble and Inferno (Cybertron Scrapmetal (red))
2007: Classics Overkill (Classics Grimlock)
2008: SG Nightbeat (TFCC Nightbeat)
2009: SG Thunderclash (BotCon 2009 Thunderclash)
2010: G2 Sideswipe (Universe Sideswipe, unique plastic colors)
2011: Animated Minerva (Animated Arcee, unique plastic colors and unofficial retooling)
2012: SG Longarm (RtS Special Ops Jazz, unique plastic colors, and unofficial retooling)

Starting in 2009, they use molds also used for the sets and starting in 2011 they start retooling. I wonder what they'll do nest.

And starting in 2013, they offer the custom class figure fully assembled, but unpainted, to registered attendees one per person as an optional alternative to taking the class.

Sabrblade wrote:And starting in 2013, they offer the custom class figure fully assembled, but unpainted, to registered attendees one per person as an optional alternative to taking the class.

Aw, but where's the fun in that?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And starting in 2013, they offer the custom class figure fully assembled, but unpainted, to registered attendees one per person as an optional alternative to taking the class.

Aw, but where's the fun in that?

With how demanding getting into the class usually is, them offering the figure to non-classmates feels quite generous and merciful to those less fortunate to get into the class. An act of goodwill, if you will.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And starting in 2013, they offer the custom class figure fully assembled, but unpainted, to registered attendees one per person as an optional alternative to taking the class.

Aw, but where's the fun in that?

With how demanding getting into the class usually is, them offering the figure to non-classmates feels quite generous and merciful to those less fortunate to get into the class. An act of goodwill, if you will.

Drat, something else I'm going to have to shell money for on eBay

Great choice on the Rainmakers since I put them on my Botcon survey for the last 3 years. They might be more cartoon accurate than my CHMS versions. Cant never have enough seekers. I currently have 39 versions of the classics seeker mold. Greatest mold ever !

Poor choice on Starscream. If he isn’t gonna be huge them might as well keep him the same mold as Skywarp and Thundercracker. Everybody wanted the Silverbolt mold, why didn’t they just deliver ? Aside from GM and movie licensed molds, I don’t buy into the excuses of a mold not being “available”. What decides this ? If it’s piled up in the back of a warehouse and they’re too lazy to dig it out ?

Glad not to see the Perceptor mold on the list. I didn’t want to see them ruin Soundwave my not using the perfect Cybertron Red Alert mold. And I don’t need a 3 pack of huge Reflectors either. The Perfect Effect set is fine for me.

Mkall wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And starting in 2013, they offer the custom class figure fully assembled, but unpainted, to registered attendees one per person as an optional alternative to taking the class.

Aw, but where's the fun in that?

With how demanding getting into the class usually is, them offering the figure to non-classmates feels quite generous and merciful to those less fortunate to get into the class. An act of goodwill, if you will.

Drat, something else I'm going to have to shell money for on eBay

The only one I'd really want is that G2 Sideswipe, that would complete the G2 Heroics with Gen. Gift Set Jazz, and Universe Inferno.

The rainmakers excites me very much

Rated X wrote:Poor choice on Starscream. If he isn’t gonna be huge them might as well keep him the same mold as Skywarp and Thundercracker. Everybody wanted the Silverbolt mold, why didn’t they just deliver ?

I was upset about this at first as well.

But, many have argued against our disdain pointing out that the Terradive mold has the closest head mold to MW Starscream's head as is without having to remold it.

As for it not being a big toy, others have also argued that Transformers fiction has often ignored the size of characters with big toys. G1 Blaster, for example was HUGE, yet the cartoon and comics all depicted him as just a slightly-taller-then-average guy, being on par Soundwave, whose toy was half his size.

MW Starscream being a titan may have applied for the 1997 toy, but since there was no fiction for it back then, there was little-to-no official portrayal of the guy to spell out just how tall the character really is.

Rated X wrote:Aside from GM and movie licensed molds, I don’t buy into the excuses of a mold not being “available”. What decides this ? If it’s piled up in the back of a warehouse and they’re too lazy to dig it out ?

For the Unicron Trilogy molds, they wre simply so old and worn out that they had outlived their usefulness.

For the movieverse toys, any mold that was based on a character design created by Paramount is partially owned by Paramount. The Movieverse toys that Hasbro made without Paramount's input are fully Hasbro-owned and more readily useable by Fun Pub since they would only have to deal with Hasbro to use them, as opposed to having to deal with both Hasbro and Paramount to use a more expensive mold.

As for the lack of Universe Silverbolt, again, Terradive already had a convincing-enough headsculpt.

Rated X wrote:Glad not to see the Perceptor mold on the list. I didn’t want to see them ruin Soundwave my not using the perfect Cybertron Red Alert mold. And I don’t need a 3 pack of huge Reflectors either. The Perfect Effect set is fine for me.

I agree with you on both. I did not want a Perceptor-made Soundwave or three Reflectors either.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Poor choice on Starscream. If he isn’t gonna be huge them might as well keep him the same mold as Skywarp and Thundercracker. Everybody wanted the Silverbolt mold, why didn’t they just deliver ?

I was upset about this at first as well.

But, many have argued against our disdain pointing out that the Terradive mold has the closest head mold to MW Starscream's head as is without having to remold it.

As for it not being a big toy, others have also argued that Transformers fiction has often ignored the size of characters with big toys. G1 Blaster, for example was HUGE, yet the cartoon and comics all depicted him as just a slightly-taller-then-average guy, being on par Soundwave, whose toy was half his size.

MW Starscream being a titan may have applied for the 1997 toy, but since there was no fiction for it back then, there was little-to-no official portrayal of the guy to spell out just how tall the character really is.

Honestly the most fitting mold for MW Starscream would be Cybertron Wingsaber.
Perfect fit. Yes, it's an AEC mold, but it does not seemed to be used much... Last I saw it was the Allspark repaint (Which I regret passing. )

Although, remolding to the bot symbol on the chest would be needed.

gavinfuzzy wrote:Honestly the most fitting mold for MW Starscream would be Cybertron Wingsaber.
Perfect fit. Yes, it's an AEC mold, but it does not seemed to be used much... Last I saw it was the Allspark repaint (Which I regret passing. )

Although, remolding to the bot symbol on the chest would be needed.

Well, even ignoring it being a UT mold (which Fun Pub are too old and worn out to use), and ignoring its molded symbol, that headsculpt of his wouldn't really do without a remold.

Sabrblade wrote:

gavinfuzzy wrote:Honestly the most fitting mold for MW Starscream would be Cybertron Wingsaber.
Perfect fit. Yes, it's an AEC mold, but it does not seemed to be used much... Last I saw it was the Allspark repaint (Which I regret passing. )

Although, remolding to the bot symbol on the chest would be needed.

Well, even ignoring it being a UT mold (which Fun Pub are too old and worn out to use), and ignoring its molded symbol, that headsculpt of his wouldn't really do without a remold.

I'm not sure what to make of FunPub's choice of head sculpts. I understand they didn't get the Dreadwing mold until it was too late to give him a new head, but if they wanted to do Starscream, why not showcase his figure? And why make him an at-show exclusive instead of in the box set? I could be wrong, but the fans seem to buy things called 'Starscream' pretty regularly.

I'd be really curious as to what sculpts were decided upon when. Hoist is my least favorite of the revealed molds, and doesn't seem to serve any necessary purpose. Maybe the comic will explain his importance, but if this version of Machine Wars is meant to showcase Strika and Obsidian taking on the Decepticon clone army, Hoist would've been the last figure in need of a new headsculpt. I guess they wanted to have a few Autobots in there too, but I don't believe anyone at FunPub really thought a new Hoist head was a better idea than a new Starscream head.

I wonder if perhaps the Silverbolt mold is unavailable for some reason...

Trikeboy wrote:Well, if that is the confirmed list of add ons for this years Botcon, I'm definitely saving a lot of money. This set is not to my tastes but for those who like it, I hope you enjoy them. Depending on how they look, I may try and get the Rainmakers but I have a feeling I can easily pass on them.

Can't wait for the Botcon coverage and new toy reveals.

Not confirmed, just rumor.

Henry921 wrote:I'm not sure what to make of FunPub's choice of head sculpts. I understand they didn't get the Dreadwing mold until it was too late to give him a new head, but if they wanted to do Starscream, why not showcase his figure? And why make him an at-show exclusive instead of in the box set? I could be wrong, but the fans seem to buy things called 'Starscream' pretty regularly.

Well, considering that Strika and Obsidian are the stars of this, it'd make sense to include the two of them, so that's one large figure covered. And Megaplex was the only completely original (name and all) character that Machine Wars introduced (Hubcap may have also been new, but he used a non-new name), so it'd make plenty of sense to include him, thus getting in two large figures already and leaving little room for Starscream.

Though, if you're talking about including him instead of Skywarp, then... I got nothing.

Also, count me in the camp who wishes Hoist had been Hubcap instead. I don't mind Hoist being included, but I'd be more excited for a Hubcap.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:Not confirmed, just rumor.

Save for at least two confirmed ones, though.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, considering that Strika and Obsidian are the stars of this, it'd make sense to include the two of them, so that's one large figure covered. And Megaplex was the only completely original (name and all) character that Machine Wars introduced (Hubcap may have also been new, but he used a non-new name), so it'd make plenty of sense to include him, thus getting in two large figures already and leaving little room for Starscream.

Though, if you're talking about including him instead of Skywarp, then... I got nothing.

Also, count me in the camp who wishes Hoist had been Hubcap instead. I don't mind Hoist being included, but I'd be more excited for a Hubcap.

Well, no, that I understand. Annoying as it is that we only get one of the Seekers in the box, it's just like the Club to divide character pairs into separate purchases, like they did last year with Runamuck and Runabout, and in previous years, say... Jazz and Ricochet back in 2008. Skywarp is in the box because they know we want Thundercracker to go with him, so we'll buy that souvenir pack as well (or attend the show, if he's the attendee freebie). It is -admittedly- quite a sound strategy.

Though I think they'd have sold more box sets if Starscream had been showcased, or even got more people to register if it was revealed/leaked before the deadline. That is where I think they dropped the ball. Why would they make one incredibly transparent attempt to wrangle money for souvenirs and miss out on making money with another strategic reveal?


As far as Hoist/Hubcap goes... well, I'm not really attached to either character. Of the Machine Wars Autobots and the molds available... Sandstorm would've been my first choice for a new headsculpt. Certainly ahead of Hoist/Hubcap, and we all know Mirage/Prowl doesn't need one.

Henry921 wrote:Well, no, that I understand. Annoying as it is that we only get one of the Seekers in the box, it's just like the Club to divide character pairs into separate purchases, like they did last year with Runamuck and Runabout, and in previous years, say... Jazz and Ricochet back in 2008. Skywarp is in the box because they know we want Thundercracker to go with him, so we'll buy that souvenir pack as well (or attend the show, if he's the attendee freebie). It is -admittedly- quite a sound strategy.

Yeah, it's part of the business, to get customers to buy more of their products. Tis a common business practice.

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:Well, no, that I understand. Annoying as it is that we only get one of the Seekers in the box, it's just like the Club to divide character pairs into separate purchases, like they did last year with Runamuck and Runabout, and in previous years, say... Jazz and Ricochet back in 2008. Skywarp is in the box because they know we want Thundercracker to go with him, so we'll buy that souvenir pack as well (or attend the show, if he's the attendee freebie). It is -admittedly- quite a sound strategy.

Yeah, it's part of the business, to get customers to buy more of their products. Tis a common business practice.

TFwiki came up with the perfect name for this phenomena: Seeker-Gate.

And I suddenly realised the main issue with using Silverbolt mold: it's too big. Universe Silverbolt is an Ultra, and the last time an Ultra was used for the Souvenir Sets was in 2006 for Darksyde Megatron. The largest were all Voyagers except for him.

EDIT: Scratch that, the last one was 2010's Double Punch. Carry on.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And I suddenly realised the main issue with using Silverbolt mold: it's too big. Universe Silverbolt is an Ultra, and the last time an Ultra was used for the Souvenir Sets was in 2006 for Darksyde Megatron. The largest were all Voyagers except for him.

EDIT: Scratch that, the last one was 2010's Double Punch. Carry on.

To be fair, Universe Silverbolt is still very much bigger than the Energon Scorponok mold.

Sabrblade wrote:To be fair, Universe Silverbolt is still very much bigger than the Energon Scorponok mold.

Longer/taller perhaps, but probably about the same mass and volume. Scorponok also has more moving parts and joints, and is probably more expensive to manufacture.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And I suddenly realised the main issue with using Silverbolt mold: it's too big. Universe Silverbolt is an Ultra, and the last time an Ultra was used for the Souvenir Sets was in 2006 for Darksyde Megatron. The largest were all Voyagers except for him.

EDIT: Scratch that, the last one was 2010's Double Punch. Carry on.

To be fair, Universe Silverbolt is still very much bigger than the Energon Scorponok mold.

People keep forgetting about Landshark. It's such a shame too, he's a pretty cool figure.

Mkall wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And I suddenly realised the main issue with using Silverbolt mold: it's too big. Universe Silverbolt is an Ultra, and the last time an Ultra was used for the Souvenir Sets was in 2006 for Darksyde Megatron. The largest were all Voyagers except for him.

EDIT: Scratch that, the last one was 2010's Double Punch. Carry on.

To be fair, Universe Silverbolt is still very much bigger than the Energon Scorponok mold.

People keep forgetting about Landshark. It's such a shame too, he's a pretty cool figure.

That's why I said Souvenir Sets

We have an update on the list of attendee only figures for BotCon 2013! The figures include:

• Rainmakers 3 pack: LE 2500
  
• Electro and Sandstorm: LE 2000
  
• Mirage and Thundercracker: LE 2000
  
• KREO 5 Pack: LE 1500

Thanks to Scotty Putnam for the tip and image below:

So I guess this means two things....

1. We're going to see the Classics Seeker mold used for the ten millionth time, and the second time for Acid Storm.

2. We're finally going to get names for the yellow and blue Rainmakers since Acid Storm (the green rainmaker) was named several years ago.

Interesting...I wonder how they'll figure into the Botcon storyline.

Bounti76 wrote:So I guess this means two things....

1. We're going to see the Classics Seeker mold used for the ten millionth time, and the second time for Acid Storm.

2. We're finally going to get names for the yellow and blue Rainmakers since Acid Storm (the green rainmaker) was named several years ago.

Interesting...I wonder how they'll figure into the Botcon storyline.

We'll, your assuming they are using the classics seeker mold, when it might be safer to assume they are using the ROTF Dirge mold to fit in alongside Skywarp and Thundercracker in this set.