Tomy Takara Share New Photos of Earthrise Arcee, Cyberverse Arcee and Earthrise Trailbreaker

Regardless of aesthetic differences, Cyberverse Arcee manages to be better than ER Arcee.

ER Arcee should have died on the drawing board. That needlessly unintegrated transformation... Ugh. All you had to do was give us "T30 Arcee but with ankle tilts and 5mm hands", HasTak. That or a headmaster version... Not a foolhardy attempt at downscaling the already-questionable MP design. Whoever let this filth proceed past the sketch stage should be demoted to copyboy. It's of course too late to axe the abominable waste of plastic and molds now.. maybe at least it'll get vandalized in stores instead of bought?

Trailbreaker is good though, looking forward to him.

I know it's been mentioned already ad nauseam since ER Arcee's reveal, but G1 Arcee really is just a BAD design that shouldn't still be getting use if this is what it results in. The IDW comics did multiple G1 Arcee designs that had actual kibble integration, and some even had actual Earth modes, Hasbro should either use those or just make Prime Arcee their "Evergreen" Arcee design.

Scorponok looks great, but I don't buy/have room for Titan figures, and I prefer a comic-sized Scorpy anyway.

Still looking forwards to Airwave and Alicon though!

Yeah, and T30 Arcee's integration was also terrible. Earthrise is incrementally worse, but only just.

At the time I thought TR Arcee was an uninspired overuse of Blurr's mold, but now it's my favorite toy version of the character.

All that said, even with both T30 Arcee and TR Arcee, I'm getting ER Arcee anyway. I've been getting pretty much all of the ER releases, and I think she'll fit in well beside Siege Springer and the rest of the animated movie lineup, especially if that group gets filled out through Studio Series.

Her G1 design has been made into a decent toy before:
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It is perfectly possible. All they had to do was use the same integration tricks the version they already made used. That was all they needed to do. They've done it before.

But no. No, instead what they tried to do was downscale the MP design (which was already iffy) into a Deluxe. And predictably, it resulted in a trainwreck. Just like the THREE DIFFERENT TIMES they tried downscaling MP-01. You'd think they'd have learned, but apparently not.

And this doesn't even do anything useful (like, say, have a Titan Master head and seat) to make up for the clunk.

They should have known better. They should have done better. They could have done better. They knew how to do better.
And yet, we got this trash.

So AFAIC, ER Arcee's value is equivalent to that of an Armada Side Swipe that's been run over by a truck.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Yeah, and T30 Arcee's integration was also terrible. Earthrise is incrementally worse, but only just.

Oh, get real. "Actually integrates the chest and legs into the car" is leagues ahead of "Wears the entire car mode on the back". And T30 Arcee manages to put the unintegrated parts on the back far more compactly.

I'm disappointed that both Arcees have their head in one solid color. ER should have at least a pink face while CV should have a white face or a very pale pink.

I can predict that Deluxe Cyberverse Arcee will be the superior toy compared to the Earthrise.

The only parts of her robot mode that are visible in car mode are the chest and the sides of her thighs, and I agree that's better than the ER one, and that the backpack is smaller. But in both T30 and ER, most of the car is stored on the back, I don't know why that provoked eye-rolling, but whatever, different people like different things.

At least her deco will be accurate. No black parts.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Her G1 design has been made into a decent toy before

Eh the T30 mold is also a terrible transformer, it's literally just "humanoid female with backpack" and it just really screams that uncomfortable "Japan design" vibe that shouldn't be in a kid's franchise.

It's a fine figure sure and probably the best G1 Arcee figure but it still suffers from the problems that are inherent to that design.

I just can't get over how much I hate that design and how lazy it is, I think it's so bad that the ROTF "mermaid" bike designs are better then the G1 design in every aspect.

Rodimus Prime wrote:At least her deco will be accurate. No black parts.

The black parts were accurate to the IDW comics, who were big at the T-30 times.

And thanks to the sun, parts of my T-30 Arcee are salmon-orange.

Rodimus Prime wrote:At least her deco will be accurate. No black parts.

That problem was already resolved with the Legends release years ago.

Also:

william-james88 wrote:nocontestdotgif

Who would have thought that a Cyberverse figure would be better than it's Generations counterpart?

Bombshell0001 wrote:Found this at Glen Burnie MD Target 1 is left on the shelf .

I got the other one. Didn't know about this post, just saw the one.

Not to throw this off the rails or anything, but all this talk of Arcee's and I still find the most fun Arcee figure to transform into a car is the Animated version. Cool swords, nice articulation, cartoon accurate mostly, and the integration of her kibble is done reasonably well. Would love if we got more Arcees like her (the Cyberverse takes some cues in design, which I find somewhat flattering.) The earthrise figure, if and when I get her sadly will need some touch-ups on her. I definitely wish the vehicle mode could have been integrated better.
(if I had my way, instead of a "hover-board" the detachable bits would break apart into little arm and leg guard to attach to her, almost like a mini weaponizer already included with her. Would free up the backpack abit, and give her an alternate bulky look.)

I do agree that the TFA Arcee is the best of the Arcees so far, with TFP a close 2nd. But the best use of that mold is the Botcon 2011 Drag Strip.

As for Earthrise, I finally found the Seeker 2-pack at my Target, it was the only one they had.

Hot. Damn.

That Scorponok looks fantastic! When he's in stock and ready to go for his wide release, I'll need to find him and Sky Lynx. Those are a pair of great looking figures.

also, I love that Scorponok head! That is the best looking Titan head we have gotten, easy.

While I do prefer the comic Scorponok that is a large Cybertron and not a city, I still think this is a great size and I will love him on the shelf. the titans will finally be complete, and i think Scorponok will be displayed with some bots in claws. As to which ones, we will need to see..

Earthrise Arcee looks like she'll be good... in car mode. The robot mode looks ok without the "hoverboard" attached to her back, but honestly I wouldn't have minded some kibble on the legs. Personally, the feet are my biggest problem with the figure. Those 5mm port heels are really weird looking. I'll probably still buy her though, damn my impulse buying habits

Maybe it's just me, but does it seem like Earthrise distribution is whacked? I know the pandemic has to have had some effect on it, though I remember Hasbro assuring people that there would only be minimal delays. But the year is more than half over, and we haven't even seen Wave 2 ANYWHERE yet. At this rate, Wave 4 will appear at this time next year.

The more I see of ER Arcee, the flimsier and more shell-ish it appears. People who have the Thrilling 30s version may not need this one....

If only Floro Dery hadn't made Arcee's robot mode design a "Princess Leia robot Barbie doll" to begin with.

Bounti76 wrote:Maybe it's just me, but does it seem like Earthrise distribution is whacked? I know the pandemic has to have had some effect on it, though I remember Hasbro assuring people that there would only be minimal delays. But the year is more than half over, and we haven't even seen Wave 2 ANYWHERE yet. At this rate, Wave 4 will appear at this time next year.

Thing is, the pandemic has slowed down things on the buying end because some consumers have taken a hit on income. On top of that, there's the fact that SIEGE is still clogging shelves in a lot of stores last I heard.

Sabrblade wrote:If only Floro Dery hadn't made Arcee's robot mode design a "Princess Leia robot Barbie doll" to begin with.

Lots of trouble (like Optimus' truck bumper magically morphing into a diaper in robot mode) could have been saved by smacking Floron the Moron with a rolled-up newspaper back in the '80s. But nobody did, and Arcee was designed for animation first rather than based off a toy, and so her G1 cartoon incarnation is stuck with the human-style legs and trying to make the best of them.
Except the ER Arcee toy doesn't even try... Nor does it do anything to make up for the lack of trying (like, say, be a cheaper, easier-to-find alternative to TR Arcee).

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:If only Floro Dery hadn't made Arcee's robot mode design a "Princess Leia robot Barbie doll" to begin with.

Lots of trouble (like Optimus' truck bumper magically morphing into a diaper in robot mode) could have been saved by smacking Floron the Moron with a rolled-up newspaper back in the '80s.

Hey now, to be fair, the Optimus bumper morphing from thin to fat was Shohei Kohara's design.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:If only Floro Dery hadn't made Arcee's robot mode design a "Princess Leia robot Barbie doll" to begin with.

Lots of trouble (like Optimus' truck bumper magically morphing into a diaper in robot mode) could have been saved by smacking Floron the Moron with a rolled-up newspaper back in the '80s.

Hey now, to be fair, the Optimus bumper morphing from thin to fat was Shohei Kohara's design.

There's a difference between the bumper thickening a bit in robot mode (what happens in the Kohara design), and the bumper stretching itself down, spawning a duplicate set of bumper lights, and then wrapping all the way around Prime's waist while the wheels magically vanish.

I think Shoji Kawamoris name must not like auto correct, the toy designers more important to me than the interpreting artist for optimus design.

I keep forgetting that t30 arcee was worse than the oversize ko and didn't have the removable hood/shield. Earthrise feet put me off more than the kibble and would have to be snipped. If the back pack wasn't as wide it would then probably be on a level with t30.

Honestly, G1 Arcee's character model, whilst a cute robot, is a dreadful Transformer. It is literally a female robot with a backpack. I'd honestly rather she got a slight redesign for Generations toys going forward that gives her a bit more kibble on places other than her back. Like Animated Arcee but brought in line with conventional aesthetics.

T30/LG Arcee is a feat of engineering and a cool toy, but far from perfect. She's got limited articulation and a pretty big backpack. I like her but I can see there's room for improvement. Unfortunately she's still the best official (G1) Arcee on offer- TR is just Blurr in unconvincing cosplay, and the ER version...ooooooooh dear.

Cyberverse Arcee looks pretty great though, so that's something.

Black Hat wrote:Honestly, G1 Arcee's character model, whilst a cute robot, is a dreadful Transformer. It is literally a female robot with a backpack. I'd honestly rather she got a slight redesign for Generations toys going forward that gives her a bit more kibble on places other than her back. Like Animated Arcee but brought in line with conventional aesthetics.

T30/LG Arcee is a feat of engineering and a cool toy, but far from perfect. She's got limited articulation and a pretty big backpack. I like her but I can see there's room for improvement. Unfortunately she's still the best official (G1) Arcee on offer- TR is just Blurr in unconvincing cosplay, and the ER version...ooooooooh dear.

Cyberverse Arcee looks pretty great though, so that's something.

I think the TR Blurr retool is passable for a Headmaster Arcee. Certainly better than trying to do her from Chromedome like was floated in G1.

The problem with G1 Arcee is that the human-style legs are part of the core design and there's no changing it without a time travel. And redistributing kibble without messing that up is somewhat tricky... although it can be done. Things would probably be less messy if there was a 1986 toy to work from, but nooooo. Hasbro just had to cancel it - literally because "Ewww girl cooties in our boys' toyline"

The T30 toy has somewhat limited articulation, but I don't think it's insurmountable. The only reason she doesn't have a waist swivel is because her pelvis splits for transformation. Give her larger wheels to make her further up off the ground and that wouldn't be needed. There would also be room for arms big enough to have wrist joints. Backpack compression could be helped by differently-jointed struts, part of the hood folding or sliding to tuck in, parts of the fenders folding up or else being mounted to the legs, and maybe a collapsible finial. Also some more of the car aft being mounted to the back of the thighs, if possible.

TLDR, if certain parts were hinged and/or shaped even a little differently, that backpack would be able to compress a lot better; it looks bigger than it is because of wasted space.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Things would probably be less messy if there was a 1986 toy to work from, but nooooo. Hasbro just had to cancel it - literally because "Ewww girl cooties in our boys' toyline"

That's one bizarre "logic" that I really don't understand. GI-Joe was also owned by Hasbro at the time. And as far as I know, there's a LOT of female characters that got their toys since day one and they were all super popular.



But for some weird reasons, what worked perfectly in GI-Joe "could not work" in Transformers. I need to find myself a time machine so I can bitch-slap some executives.

I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.

Bounti76 wrote:Maybe it's just me, but does it seem like Earthrise distribution is whacked? I know the pandemic has to have had some effect on it, though I remember Hasbro assuring people that there would only be minimal delays. But the year is more than half over, and we haven't even seen Wave 2 ANYWHERE yet. At this rate, Wave 4 will appear at this time next year.

Yup, its very whacked. I can't find jack and I'm searching in 3 Targets and 3 Walmarts in my general area/near where I work. And pandemic or not, things are still moving. At some point these stores need to get in stock. You'll notice they've had no problem getting their seasonal stuff out.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Things would probably be less messy if there was a 1986 toy to work from, but nooooo. Hasbro just had to cancel it - literally because "Ewww girl cooties in our boys' toyline"

That's one bizarre "logic" that I really don't understand. GI-Joe was also owned by Hasbro at the time. And as far as I know, there's a LOT of female characters that got their toys since day one and they were all super popular.



But for some weird reasons, what worked perfectly in GI-Joe "could not work" in Transformers. I need to find myself a time machine so I can bitch-slap some executives.

There's quite the big difference between the two lines though. G.I.Joes all share the same basic engineering with only sculpting and weapons being different and even that can be mixed to save money on new characters. If Scarlett or Lady Jay doesn't sell it isn't a huge loss since they're tiny figures that don't use a lot of plastic. A female Transformer in the '80s when society had bigger expectations for gender boundaries (boys play with boys' toys) would have been a much bigger gamble. The engineering is much more expensive, there's little opportunity for mold reuse (back then), she'd use a lot of plastic, and there's no telling during preproduction if she would be popular enough to sell. It's unfortunate, but I can see why they wouldn't want to take the risk.

Emerje

Trailbreaker is a must have, perfect recreation of the G1 toy.

EH Arcee is ok, Im not fond of the parts-froming, but i can live with it. The face could use a little paint to separate it from the helmet-hair

CV Arcee, my god that face is ugly, the eyes and mouth just look awful. again, paint needed the separate the face from the helm. Also, too much pink, the shades blend so much that nothing about the toy pops. Still, give the toy a new paintjob and head and there are possibilities

Emerje wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Things would probably be less messy if there was a 1986 toy to work from, but nooooo. Hasbro just had to cancel it - literally because "Ewww girl cooties in our boys' toyline"

That's one bizarre "logic" that I really don't understand. GI-Joe was also owned by Hasbro at the time. And as far as I know, there's a LOT of female characters that got their toys since day one and they were all super popular.



But for some weird reasons, what worked perfectly in GI-Joe "could not work" in Transformers. I need to find myself a time machine so I can bitch-slap some executives.

There's quite the big difference between the two lines though. G.I.Joes all share the same basic engineering with only sculpting and weapons being different and even that can be mixed to save money on new characters. If Scarlett or Lady Jay doesn't sell it isn't a huge loss since they're tiny figures that don't use a lot of plastic. A female Transformer in the '80s when society had bigger expectations for gender boundaries (boys play with boys' toys) would have been a much bigger gamble. The engineering is much more expensive, there's little opportunity for mold reuse (back then), she'd use a lot of plastic, and there's no telling during preproduction if she would be popular enough to sell. It's unfortunate, but I can see why they wouldn't want to take the risk.

Emerje

In this context, it make total sense.

What’s the deal with the Target seekers? Have they officially reached wide distribution yet? Seems like the coasts got some but middle America, not so much.

I managed to order one for pickup at a Target about 90 minutes away but would rather not make the drive if they’re going to start showing up all over the place next week.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.

The same guys thought it was gonna be just fine to kill off half the toyline including, unbeknownst to them at the time, their Ultimate Cash Cow.

Consider the source.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Her G1 design has been made into a decent toy before:
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It is perfectly possible. All they had to do was use the same integration tricks the version they already made used. That was all they needed to do. They've done it before.

But no. No, instead what they tried to do was downscale the MP design (which was already iffy) into a Deluxe. And predictably, it resulted in a trainwreck. Just like the THREE DIFFERENT TIMES they tried downscaling MP-01. You'd think they'd have learned, but apparently not.

And this doesn't even do anything useful (like, say, have a Titan Master head and seat) to make up for the clunk.

They should have known better. They should have done better. They could have done better. They knew how to do better.
And yet, we got this trash.

So AFAIC, ER Arcee's value is equivalent to that of an Armada Side Swipe that's been run over by a truck.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Yeah, and T30 Arcee's integration was also terrible. Earthrise is incrementally worse, but only just.

Oh, get real. "Actually integrates the chest and legs into the car" is leagues ahead of "Wears the entire car mode on the back". And T30 Arcee manages to put the unintegrated parts on the back far more compactly.

Yeah... No. If they did T30 Arcee like the Seekers are in Earthrise, HARD pass. I want an Arcee whose limbs arent so tiny as to look brittle. (The T30 isnt, but they look like it) the pistol handles are bigger than her arms

sol magnus wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.

The same guys thought it was gonna be just fine to kill off half the toyline including, unbeknownst to them at the time, their Ultimate Cash Cow.

Consider the source.

I actually thought the gambit of the shelf cleaner worked as it was a shocking thing to happen. If they hadn't done that and basically just done an extended Season 1 episode, I think the animated movie wouldn't be held up to the same regard. Its more thinking like that we need, a willingness to take risks to advance the franchise forward.

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.

The same guys thought it was gonna be just fine to kill off half the toyline including, unbeknownst to them at the time, their Ultimate Cash Cow.

Consider the source.

I actually thought the gambit of the shelf cleaner worked as it was a shocking thing to happen. If they hadn't done that and basically just done an extended Season 1 episode, I think the animated movie wouldn't be held up to the same regard. Its more thinking like that we need, a willingness to take risks to advance the franchise forward.

It worked out so well for them before...

In theory I agree with you. In practice, it's just harder to say how effective that would be. At a certain point, even inventing new characters simply won't bring the ROI that using versions of the characters already made continue to bring in. And I'm talking media, not even toys necessarily.

New characters are always welcome. I don't want to give a false impression. But, they gain relevance by interacting with the tried and true characters we all know (regardless of continuity).

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.

The same guys thought it was gonna be just fine to kill off half the toyline including, unbeknownst to them at the time, their Ultimate Cash Cow.

Consider the source.

I actually thought the gambit of the shelf cleaner worked as it was a shocking thing to happen. If they hadn't done that and basically just done an extended Season 1 episode, I think the animated movie wouldn't be held up to the same regard. Its more thinking like that we need, a willingness to take risks to advance the franchise forward.

It worked out so well for them before...

In theory I agree with you. In practice, it's just harder to say how effective that would be. At a certain point, even inventing new characters simply won't bring the ROI that using versions of the characters already made continue to bring in. And I'm talking media, not even toys necessarily.

New characters are always welcome. I don't want to give a false impression. But, they gain relevance by interacting with the tried and true characters we all know (regardless of continuity).

That only works if the tried and true characters are respected. If writers try to make the new characters relevant by knocking the tried and true characters a peg or two (like Modern Marvel or Star Wars likes to do) the new characters will end up resented and despised as a result.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Emerje wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Things would probably be less messy if there was a 1986 toy to work from, but nooooo. Hasbro just had to cancel it - literally because "Ewww girl cooties in our boys' toyline"

That's one bizarre "logic" that I really don't understand. GI-Joe was also owned by Hasbro at the time. And as far as I know, there's a LOT of female characters that got their toys since day one and they were all super popular.



But for some weird reasons, what worked perfectly in GI-Joe "could not work" in Transformers. I need to find myself a time machine so I can bitch-slap some executives.

There's quite the big difference between the two lines though. G.I.Joes all share the same basic engineering with only sculpting and weapons being different and even that can be mixed to save money on new characters. If Scarlett or Lady Jay doesn't sell it isn't a huge loss since they're tiny figures that don't use a lot of plastic. A female Transformer in the '80s when society had bigger expectations for gender boundaries (boys play with boys' toys) would have been a much bigger gamble. The engineering is much more expensive, there's little opportunity for mold reuse (back then), she'd use a lot of plastic, and there's no telling during preproduction if she would be popular enough to sell. It's unfortunate, but I can see why they wouldn't want to take the risk.

Emerje

In this context, it make total sense.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I had the same thought and it really makes me want to facepalm. From what I read, Ron Friedman had an uphill battle getting them to let him put Arcee in the movie.

And to think that there was a time when Bob Budiansky was going use this toy as a female without any hesitation:

True but there's only so much you can reinvent the wheel, also Beast Wars wants a word with you considering, aside from bat Prime and mega gator, they were supposed to be unconnected from what came before.

To put it a better way, what do they do when they give us the perfect G1 Prime update? Where do they go from there? Same with the rest of G1. There needs to be a better balance between G1 homage and new ideas.

Though looking at Arcee, I do wonder if a perfect update is possible on the limitations placed on Hasbro's deluxe size class..

That Arcee's alt mode is garbage.

I have a kind of off topic question. I didn't know where to put this. I pre-ordered sleep mode prime. Does Amazon take the money out upon pre-order or do they wait til it comes in?

What size class are the figures in the Target Clone pack?

FellintoOblivion wrote:What size class are the figures in the Target Clone pack?

Roughly the old Scout class.

Sabrblade wrote:

FellintoOblivion wrote:What size class are the figures in the Target Clone pack?

Roughly the old Scout class.

I assumed they were legends scale

Maybe this will help

NTESHFT wrote:I have a kind of off topic question. I didn't know where to put this. I pre-ordered sleep mode prime. Does Amazon take the money out upon pre-order or do they wait til it comes in?

All Amazon orders are supposed to charge when being prepared for shipment and this includes pre-orders. Mine says delivery on the 17th so I expect not to be charged until the 15th, maybe even 16th if the figure is in a local warehouse.

NTESHFT wrote:I have a kind of off topic question. I didn't know where to put this. I pre-ordered sleep mode prime. Does Amazon take the money out upon pre-order or do they wait til it comes in?

Your credit card is charged only when they ship you the item.

grimdragon2001 wrote:

Maybe this will help

You have Pounce and Wingspan???

Starseeker wrote:

grimdragon2001 wrote:

Maybe this will help

You have Pounce and Wingspan???

I got em, too. I was semi-surprised they didn't have weapons, but they never advertised them with them.