Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far
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Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys so Far
While anticipating the next Masterpiece Starscream, I just wanted to cover all the great toys that we got of him so far. This is one of the few characters that has been a mainstay through different eras, almost as much as Optimus Prime and Megatron (even more so than Bumblebee who was absent for the Unicron Trilogy). And since Takara's best designer is a fan of the character, he was always given some extra love in the design department, and as we're about to see, it shows.
5. Studio Series Starscream
Upscaling a toy might be an easy way to put "new" products on the shelves but it can also result in great toys, like Beast Hunters Voyager Predaking. And the result for this voyager Starscream is awesome! Even being familiar with the deluxe mold from Dark of the Moon, the bigger pieces made for a very fresh transforming experience. And it being an upscale did not feel in any way like it had less parts than it should. It felt complex enough for a voyager. I really appreciate the attention to detail like covering parts that used to show hollowness adding parts to beef out the sides, add detail to the sculpt and, best of all, use that now famed Takara MP Beast Wars technology for adding a digital textured deco layer all across the alt mode. Really cool. The tatooed redeco for the Revenge of the Fallen version is just as good.
4. Transformers Prime: First Edition Starscream
This is one of the best seeker molds of all time. The design choice to have the robot mode be so slim and sleek makes him look creepier than any version of Starscream before. I am so impressed with how they were able to pull off a robot mode as skeletal as the one depicted onscreen and yet still have him perfectly transform into a tight and smooth jet mode where no robot limb protrudes, as is often the case with jets.
3. Transformers Cybertron Starscream
It is really too bad that the voyager Starscream toy in his show colours was never released by Hasbro, but at least fans got to experience this excellent mold in other colours, such as a very Thrust like burgundy and in blue with Dirge. And yes, even with the Siege mold out there, this is the better looking Cybertronian mode we've ever gotten for Starscream.
2. Transformers Hunt For The Decepticons Leader Starscream and MPM-10 Starsceam
These two toys are both great and achieve the same purpose so what I saw for one is almost the same as I'd say for the other. They are relentlessly detailed and screen accurate (obviously, the MPM more so). There are many separate pieces which shift in perspective by being moving from the background to foreground while transforming him to the point where it really feels like there is a robot inside the jet made up of all the jet parts and you uncover him through the transformation. Both of these toys show us what perfection is in a different way. With the Leader class one, we have a much cleaner jet mode and a satisfying while intuitive transformation but the robot mode is not as detailed. With the MPM one we have the most perfect robot mode we will ever get for the movie Starscream design. However, it is far more fiddly and the jet mode, while still looking sharp, does have an undercarriage which looks more out of place. So these toys tell us that while you can't have absolute perfection, you can still have two incredible toys.
1. Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Starscream
I have made lists for seekers and jets in the past and while I always included the classics mold, I did always wish it was bigger. I loved the look of it though, as well as the simple yet smart transformation. It seems Hasbro was thinking the same thing, and now I realize there is a trend in good Starscream toys being the result of upscaling a good deluxe toy. With this toy, we have what I would call our definitive Starscream for a classics scale. Plus with this being the same scale and overall aesthetic as the Siege tetra jet, you can form a really awesome armada of seekers varying in designs and colour with Starscream in the lead.
Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys so Far
While anticipating the next Masterpiece Starscream, I just wanted to cover all the great toys that we got of him so far. This is one of the few characters that has been a mainstay through different eras, almost as much as Optimus Prime and Megatron (even more so than Bumblebee who was absent for the Unicron Trilogy). And since Takara's best designer is a fan of the character, he was always given some extra love in the design department, and as we're about to see, it shows.
5. Studio Series Starscream
Upscaling a toy might be an easy way to put "new" products on the shelves but it can also result in great toys, like Beast Hunters Voyager Predaking. And the result for this voyager Starscream is awesome! Even being familiar with the deluxe mold from Dark of the Moon, the bigger pieces made for a very fresh transforming experience. And it being an upscale did not feel in any way like it had less parts than it should. It felt complex enough for a voyager. I really appreciate the attention to detail like covering parts that used to show hollowness adding parts to beef out the sides, add detail to the sculpt and, best of all, use that now famed Takara MP Beast Wars technology for adding a digital textured deco layer all across the alt mode. Really cool. The tatooed redeco for the Revenge of the Fallen version is just as good.
4. Transformers Prime: First Edition Starscream
This is one of the best seeker molds of all time. The design choice to have the robot mode be so slim and sleek makes him look creepier than any version of Starscream before. I am so impressed with how they were able to pull off a robot mode as skeletal as the one depicted onscreen and yet still have him perfectly transform into a tight and smooth jet mode where no robot limb protrudes, as is often the case with jets.
3. Transformers Cybertron Starscream
It is really too bad that the voyager Starscream toy in his show colours was never released by Hasbro, but at least fans got to experience this excellent mold in other colours, such as a very Thrust like burgundy and in blue with Dirge. And yes, even with the Siege mold out there, this is the better looking Cybertronian mode we've ever gotten for Starscream.
2. Transformers Hunt For The Decepticons Leader Starscream and MPM-10 Starsceam
These two toys are both great and achieve the same purpose so what I saw for one is almost the same as I'd say for the other. They are relentlessly detailed and screen accurate (obviously, the MPM more so). There are many separate pieces which shift in perspective by being moving from the background to foreground while transforming him to the point where it really feels like there is a robot inside the jet made up of all the jet parts and you uncover him through the transformation. Both of these toys show us what perfection is in a different way. With the Leader class one, we have a much cleaner jet mode and a satisfying while intuitive transformation but the robot mode is not as detailed. With the MPM one we have the most perfect robot mode we will ever get for the movie Starscream design. However, it is far more fiddly and the jet mode, while still looking sharp, does have an undercarriage which looks more out of place. So these toys tell us that while you can't have absolute perfection, you can still have two incredible toys.
1. Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Starscream
I have made lists for seekers and jets in the past and while I always included the classics mold, I did always wish it was bigger. I loved the look of it though, as well as the simple yet smart transformation. It seems Hasbro was thinking the same thing, and now I realize there is a trend in good Starscream toys being the result of upscaling a good deluxe toy. With this toy, we have what I would call our definitive Starscream for a classics scale. Plus with this being the same scale and overall aesthetic as the Siege tetra jet, you can form a really awesome armada of seekers varying in designs and colour with Starscream in the lead.
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Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091759)
Posted by ausbot on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:22am CST
Posted by ausbot on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:22am CST
Still love armada and classics
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091760)
Posted by PerfectVision on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:42am CST
Posted by PerfectVision on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:42am CST
I have the voyager PRIME as a plane,he's more colorful than on screen which is good.
The movie version is horrible.
The one from GALAXY FORCE has a penis-cockpit and can't look on his sides.Only a beefy vehicule and i'm not sure it's a credible one.
The movie version is horrible.
The one from GALAXY FORCE has a penis-cockpit and can't look on his sides.Only a beefy vehicule and i'm not sure it's a credible one.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091761)
Posted by angtre on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:50am CST
Posted by angtre on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:50am CST
Comparing toys cross-franchise makes little sense, sorry. Next time, I'd just focus on how well a specific version of a character - be it the G1 original, Movieverse or another - got translated into toys.
Still this list does bring me a little smile upon my face, since today is Epiphany, and the original Seekers would make some really fine Three Wise Men - take note for next year, maybe!
Still this list does bring me a little smile upon my face, since today is Epiphany, and the original Seekers would make some really fine Three Wise Men - take note for next year, maybe!
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091763)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:20am CST
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:20am CST
Yeah, there's been so many Screamers that this list could easily be much longer to cover more. I'm kinda surprised neither MP is on the list.
I do like the ER mold, though. Mainly since it's so close to the Classics mold which really nailed the look.
I do like the ER mold, though. Mainly since it's so close to the Classics mold which really nailed the look.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091767)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:56am CST
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:56am CST
Thanks for the list, I really enjoyed reading it!
All my Starscreams are movieverse (the exception being POTP Starscream, which is the worst), so I’m glad to see SS and MPM/HFTD on here.
Even though I pretty much stick to just movie stuff, I gotta say ER Starscream looks good. That jet mode is really clean!
All my Starscreams are movieverse (the exception being POTP Starscream, which is the worst), so I’m glad to see SS and MPM/HFTD on here.
Even though I pretty much stick to just movie stuff, I gotta say ER Starscream looks good. That jet mode is really clean!
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091770)
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2021 @ 8:12am CST
The list does have an MP Starscream and it's the best one.
Couldn't think of 5 good movie Starscream toys so I preferred just writing a list where all toys were the ones I considered best.
Happy to hear, thanks for reading it!
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2021 @ 8:12am CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Yeah, there's been so many Screamers that this list could easily be much longer to cover more. I'm kinda surprised neither MP is on the list.
The list does have an MP Starscream and it's the best one.
angtre wrote:Comparing toys cross-franchise makes little sense, sorry. Next time, I'd just focus on how well a specific version of a character - be it the G1 original, Movieverse or another - got translated into toys.
Couldn't think of 5 good movie Starscream toys so I preferred just writing a list where all toys were the ones I considered best.
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Thanks for the list, I really enjoyed reading it!
Happy to hear, thanks for reading it!
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091772)
Posted by blackeyedprime on January 6th, 2021 @ 8:41am CST
Posted by blackeyedprime on January 6th, 2021 @ 8:41am CST
MPM starscream doesnt even have all of its alt mode with the jet thrusters missing. I'd have left out pretty much all the Baynus starscreams but even if not, MPM would be much lower than the others just because of that.
mine, but no real order
TF collection, it's the G1 figure with a yellow cockpit sometimes the smallest of changes are the best and it includes megatron in gun mode allowing the 80's toy to finally capture the cartoon moments.
Prime starscream, I'm not sure which edition I have but I'm doubting its the first edition and it still looks great.
Animated Starscream, the Prime figure might capture his creepyness but animated captures him being a jerk just as well.
Starscream and BB, even if the G1 MP was designed by Shoji of Macross fame this feels like a homage to Mospeadas Alpha/Beta fighters. BB kind of sucks as a name though so I can kinda think of it as an early Lugnut.
Armada starscream was really good even if it deviated from starscreams typical colors it could have been way worse, say a tan color and looking gorrillaesque..
some oddities that I like:
Pretender starscream might not be what the human form of starscream comes to mind but he kinda has a visionaries look to him.
Alternity starscream, he should never be a car but he pulls it off pretty well and still has more g1 traits than...okay wont go there for a second time.
mine, but no real order
TF collection, it's the G1 figure with a yellow cockpit sometimes the smallest of changes are the best and it includes megatron in gun mode allowing the 80's toy to finally capture the cartoon moments.
Prime starscream, I'm not sure which edition I have but I'm doubting its the first edition and it still looks great.
Animated Starscream, the Prime figure might capture his creepyness but animated captures him being a jerk just as well.
Starscream and BB, even if the G1 MP was designed by Shoji of Macross fame this feels like a homage to Mospeadas Alpha/Beta fighters. BB kind of sucks as a name though so I can kinda think of it as an early Lugnut.
Armada starscream was really good even if it deviated from starscreams typical colors it could have been way worse, say a tan color and looking gorrillaesque..
some oddities that I like:
Pretender starscream might not be what the human form of starscream comes to mind but he kinda has a visionaries look to him.
Alternity starscream, he should never be a car but he pulls it off pretty well and still has more g1 traits than...okay wont go there for a second time.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091774)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:02am CST
Making a top 5 list where you are forced to include meh or downright crappy toys because you limited yourself to only G1 or only movieverse figures also makes little sense as well.
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:02am CST
angtre wrote:Comparing toys cross-franchise makes little sense, sorry. Next time, I'd just focus on how well a specific version of a character - be it the G1 original, Movieverse or another - got translated into toys.
Making a top 5 list where you are forced to include meh or downright crappy toys because you limited yourself to only G1 or only movieverse figures also makes little sense as well.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091775)
Posted by TulioDude on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:07am CST
Posted by TulioDude on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:07am CST
Great job william!I agree with your choices!
You are gonna to have to update the list when Masterpiece Armada Starscream is released.
Day 372 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
You are gonna to have to update the list when Masterpiece Armada Starscream is released.
Day 372 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091776)
Posted by blackeyedprime on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:23am CST
Posted by blackeyedprime on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:23am CST
It might be possible now to do a top five Barricade toys and the G1 toy would not be in it -though I think first release with Frenzy or the one with the torture apparatus would win it for me, even this many years on.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091778)
Posted by Evil Eye on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:45am CST
Posted by Evil Eye on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:45am CST
Good list! And nice to see the Voyager GF Starscream get a mention, that thing is such a nice Starscream design. I still kind of want to buy that one 3P remake of the design.
If I had one singular complaint it's that I'd probably swap out the ER Starscream for Siege. Even as a massive jet nerd, ER Screamer's (admittedly gorgeous) F-15 mode can't really make up for the fact he's basically an inflated Classics Seeker, complete with odd proportions, no waist swivel and hollow sides. The Siege Seeker meanwhile has an absolutely stellar (no pun intended) robot mode, an interesting transformation and honestly a really nice altmode. Like I've never much cared for the G1 Tetrajet design but this figure made me like it. I can even forgive the legs underneath as they look like booster modules more than just folded up robot legs. But that's just me anyway.
A few I'd be tempted to mention (not as contenders but just as runners-up) would be:
>Energon Starscream: I absolutely love the way this thing looks, looking like an undead, revenant Starscream held together by Unicronic energy and sheer force of will. He's pretty poseable and has some cool weapons too.
>Titanium Starscream: Whilst not a good figure by any stretch of the imagination, I do love his alt mode. It's a really elegant take on a redesign of the Tetrajet and I'd love a decent figure of the design some day.
>MP-03 (AKA Greenscream): The best jet mode in Transformers history, bar none.
If I had one singular complaint it's that I'd probably swap out the ER Starscream for Siege. Even as a massive jet nerd, ER Screamer's (admittedly gorgeous) F-15 mode can't really make up for the fact he's basically an inflated Classics Seeker, complete with odd proportions, no waist swivel and hollow sides. The Siege Seeker meanwhile has an absolutely stellar (no pun intended) robot mode, an interesting transformation and honestly a really nice altmode. Like I've never much cared for the G1 Tetrajet design but this figure made me like it. I can even forgive the legs underneath as they look like booster modules more than just folded up robot legs. But that's just me anyway.
A few I'd be tempted to mention (not as contenders but just as runners-up) would be:
>Energon Starscream: I absolutely love the way this thing looks, looking like an undead, revenant Starscream held together by Unicronic energy and sheer force of will. He's pretty poseable and has some cool weapons too.
>Titanium Starscream: Whilst not a good figure by any stretch of the imagination, I do love his alt mode. It's a really elegant take on a redesign of the Tetrajet and I'd love a decent figure of the design some day.
>MP-03 (AKA Greenscream): The best jet mode in Transformers history, bar none.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091813)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 6th, 2021 @ 12:16pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 6th, 2021 @ 12:16pm CST
Decent list, but I have many disagreements on this list.
For one thing, ER Starscream should be much lower. It is not even remotely the best Starscream figure out there. The exclusion of the Siege Seeker mold also feels like wrong.
My list would go:
5) Beast Wars II Hellscream - OK, this one might be a bit of a stretch, but considering Hellscream is an upgrade and beast-ified Starscream, he counts. Having a shark Starscream is so cool, especially when it's a cyborg shark. It's a fun mold, and it's extra creepy with this tooling and works nicely.
4) Prime Beast Hunters Starscream - I did not get any of the other Prime Starscreams, but I love this one. It's sort of simple, but still stands as a great Starscream and a great representation of the show character. It's a fun figure and should not be so easily discounted.
3) Siege Starscream: I was very down on this mold when it was revealed, but it is super good. The posability is absolutely bananas on this guy, and he can move every which way you might want him to. He is great, and easily better than other generations Starscreams.
2) SS Starscream: This figure has a nice presence to it for its size class, and has a lot of great stuff to do with the superb arms. Transformation is fun, and the jet mode is pretty clean. It's a great figure, really fun to have.
1) RotF Leader - This is the be all end all molds of Starscreams. It is really fun to play with in either modes, has electronics, is really posable, has heft to it, a very clean jet mode, integrated arm weapons, it's a glorious piece. This is THE Starscream figure.
Honorable mentions:
MPM-10 is really fun to transform, but with his limited and limp arms I could not give him a top 5 spot.
Cybertron Supreme is pretty nice and I like transforming it, but it still leaves some things to be desired with posing and how the jet mode functions. And the fact that he is massive.
For one thing, ER Starscream should be much lower. It is not even remotely the best Starscream figure out there. The exclusion of the Siege Seeker mold also feels like wrong.
My list would go:
5) Beast Wars II Hellscream - OK, this one might be a bit of a stretch, but considering Hellscream is an upgrade and beast-ified Starscream, he counts. Having a shark Starscream is so cool, especially when it's a cyborg shark. It's a fun mold, and it's extra creepy with this tooling and works nicely.
4) Prime Beast Hunters Starscream - I did not get any of the other Prime Starscreams, but I love this one. It's sort of simple, but still stands as a great Starscream and a great representation of the show character. It's a fun figure and should not be so easily discounted.
3) Siege Starscream: I was very down on this mold when it was revealed, but it is super good. The posability is absolutely bananas on this guy, and he can move every which way you might want him to. He is great, and easily better than other generations Starscreams.
2) SS Starscream: This figure has a nice presence to it for its size class, and has a lot of great stuff to do with the superb arms. Transformation is fun, and the jet mode is pretty clean. It's a great figure, really fun to have.
1) RotF Leader - This is the be all end all molds of Starscreams. It is really fun to play with in either modes, has electronics, is really posable, has heft to it, a very clean jet mode, integrated arm weapons, it's a glorious piece. This is THE Starscream figure.
Honorable mentions:
MPM-10 is really fun to transform, but with his limited and limp arms I could not give him a top 5 spot.
Cybertron Supreme is pretty nice and I like transforming it, but it still leaves some things to be desired with posing and how the jet mode functions. And the fact that he is massive.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091838)
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2021 @ 1:53pm CST
It is ! And no the G1 toy wouldn't be in it, but not because I don't think it should count but because it's not that great a toy, compared to the other Barricades out there.
I was debating on Siege Starscream but in the end I went with my gut and put what I preferred which is ER Starscream. Yes, it's an inflated Classics seeker, 100%. But I am ok with that and I like it. Same with the voyager Studio Series Screamer, which is also an inflated deluxe. But in both cases, I feel it works and with deluxes and voyagers being similarly complex these days, I don't see any reason it should go against either of them. The deluxe was praised for years, by me and others, with our main complaint that we needed a voyager Starscream. And now we have a proper voyager, using a mold we all love as inspiration. I see it as a win.
Back to Siege Starscream, my main issue with that toy is that I just don't like it as a Transformer toy nor as a tetrajet. It's missing the top of the jet to get that cool sci fi feel that we got in the first g1 episode. And while I know it's 100% intentional, I really dislike the way it functions as a Transformers toy with almost 0 vehicle integration in robot mode and fake kibble galore. So with a rather weak transformation, lackluster alt mode (with lots of bot kibble) and a robot mode that while nice feels very disconnected to its alt mode, I just don't recomend it as much.
Our lists are not so dissimilar after all and I really love your number 1. I am really surprised at your Beast Hunters Starscream pick though. That toy is way down the list for me (same with the animated voyager). Did you ever get to experience the First Edition mold?
Thanks all for the feedback. From what I gather (from here and especially on our Social media where this article was posted), what people have the biggest problem with is the inclusion of the movie toys on this list. And I find that just too bad. They don't even argue that they are good toys or not, just that they don't belong and that makes no sense. Like it or not, the Bayverse happened and Bayverse Starscream happened. He is as rightful a part of the Transformers franchise as any other interpretation of Starscream we have ever gotten and unlike a lot of characters that are in the films in just name only, he actually retains his G1 role (as much as Megatron and Optimus do). I guess I am just surprised the bay hate is still out there, ready to pounce whenever possible. I choose to welcome all aspects of my beloved Transformers brand and experience all these wonderful toys.
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2021 @ 1:53pm CST
blackeyedprime wrote:It might be possible now to do a top five Barricade toys and the G1 toy would not be in it -though I think first release with Frenzy or the one with the torture apparatus would win it for me, even this many years on.
It is ! And no the G1 toy wouldn't be in it, but not because I don't think it should count but because it's not that great a toy, compared to the other Barricades out there.
Evil Eye wrote:If I had one singular complaint it's that I'd probably swap out the ER Starscream for Siege. Even as a massive jet nerd, ER Screamer's (admittedly gorgeous) F-15 mode can't really make up for the fact he's basically an inflated Classics Seeker, complete with odd proportions, no waist swivel and hollow sides. The Siege Seeker meanwhile has an absolutely stellar (no pun intended) robot mode, an interesting transformation and honestly a really nice altmode. Like I've never much cared for the G1 Tetrajet design but this figure made me like it. I can even forgive the legs underneath as they look like booster modules more than just folded up robot legs. But that's just me anyway.
I was debating on Siege Starscream but in the end I went with my gut and put what I preferred which is ER Starscream. Yes, it's an inflated Classics seeker, 100%. But I am ok with that and I like it. Same with the voyager Studio Series Screamer, which is also an inflated deluxe. But in both cases, I feel it works and with deluxes and voyagers being similarly complex these days, I don't see any reason it should go against either of them. The deluxe was praised for years, by me and others, with our main complaint that we needed a voyager Starscream. And now we have a proper voyager, using a mold we all love as inspiration. I see it as a win.
Back to Siege Starscream, my main issue with that toy is that I just don't like it as a Transformer toy nor as a tetrajet. It's missing the top of the jet to get that cool sci fi feel that we got in the first g1 episode. And while I know it's 100% intentional, I really dislike the way it functions as a Transformers toy with almost 0 vehicle integration in robot mode and fake kibble galore. So with a rather weak transformation, lackluster alt mode (with lots of bot kibble) and a robot mode that while nice feels very disconnected to its alt mode, I just don't recomend it as much.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Decent list, but I have many disagreements on this list.
Our lists are not so dissimilar after all and I really love your number 1. I am really surprised at your Beast Hunters Starscream pick though. That toy is way down the list for me (same with the animated voyager). Did you ever get to experience the First Edition mold?
Thanks all for the feedback. From what I gather (from here and especially on our Social media where this article was posted), what people have the biggest problem with is the inclusion of the movie toys on this list. And I find that just too bad. They don't even argue that they are good toys or not, just that they don't belong and that makes no sense. Like it or not, the Bayverse happened and Bayverse Starscream happened. He is as rightful a part of the Transformers franchise as any other interpretation of Starscream we have ever gotten and unlike a lot of characters that are in the films in just name only, he actually retains his G1 role (as much as Megatron and Optimus do). I guess I am just surprised the bay hate is still out there, ready to pounce whenever possible. I choose to welcome all aspects of my beloved Transformers brand and experience all these wonderful toys.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091839)
Posted by angtre on January 6th, 2021 @ 1:55pm CST
I don't think that the likes of Starscream lack quality toys to compare, especially his G1 counterpart. Still I simply fail to see the point of this specific list, since each franchise has a radically different design - it's like comparing different characters altogether. And if you lack toys for a given franchise, there's no point doing a ranking for that.
Not that coming out with different reasons to make a ranking on an almost weekly base is easy, that I am very well aware of. I simply didn't appreciate this one to the fullest, and as such I tried to give my opinion and advice.
Posted by angtre on January 6th, 2021 @ 1:55pm CST
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Making a top 5 list where you are forced to include meh or downright crappy toys because you limited yourself to only G1 or only movieverse figures also makes little sense as well.
I don't think that the likes of Starscream lack quality toys to compare, especially his G1 counterpart. Still I simply fail to see the point of this specific list, since each franchise has a radically different design - it's like comparing different characters altogether. And if you lack toys for a given franchise, there's no point doing a ranking for that.
Not that coming out with different reasons to make a ranking on an almost weekly base is easy, that I am very well aware of. I simply didn't appreciate this one to the fullest, and as such I tried to give my opinion and advice.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091843)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 6th, 2021 @ 2:08pm CST
I didn't no. I didn't handle the voyager either. I only ever got the Beast Hunters deluxe. I relived that toy during my Den redo over the past week, and it, Dreadwing, and Sharkticon Megatron are still 3 Beast Hunter era toys that are really fun and really cool.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 6th, 2021 @ 2:08pm CST
william-james88 wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Decent list, but I have many disagreements on this list.
Our lists are not so dissimilar after all and I really love your number 1. I am really surprised at your Beast Hunters Starscream pick though. That toy is way down the list for me (same with the animated voyager). Did you ever get to experience the First Edition mold?
I didn't no. I didn't handle the voyager either. I only ever got the Beast Hunters deluxe. I relived that toy during my Den redo over the past week, and it, Dreadwing, and Sharkticon Megatron are still 3 Beast Hunter era toys that are really fun and really cool.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091850)
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2021 @ 2:57pm CST
Oh man I love those two. especially that Sharkticon Megatron. I think that's the best version of that mold, in terms of a toy.
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2021 @ 2:57pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Decent list, but I have many disagreements on this list.
Our lists are not so dissimilar after all and I really love your number 1. I am really surprised at your Beast Hunters Starscream pick though. That toy is way down the list for me (same with the animated voyager). Did you ever get to experience the First Edition mold?
I didn't no. I didn't handle the voyager either. I only ever got the Beast Hunters deluxe. I relived that toy during my Den redo over the past week, and it, Dreadwing, and Sharkticon Megatron are still 3 Beast Hunter era toys that are really fun and really cool.
Oh man I love those two. especially that Sharkticon Megatron. I think that's the best version of that mold, in terms of a toy.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091851)
Posted by PerfectVision on January 6th, 2021 @ 2:59pm CST
Some consider him to be the worst BH,i agree kinda.He has special colors at least.I'm okay with the jet without the weapon.
They have reused the same yellow from Dread and Sound,a strange lack of variety in the decos.
Posted by PerfectVision on January 6th, 2021 @ 2:59pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Decent list, but I have many disagreements on this list.
Our lists are not so dissimilar after all and I really love your number 1. I am really surprised at your Beast Hunters Starscream pick though. That toy is way down the list for me (same with the animated voyager). Did you ever get to experience the First Edition mold?
I didn't no. I didn't handle the voyager either. I only ever got the Beast Hunters deluxe. I relived that toy during my Den redo over the past week, and it, Dreadwing, and Sharkticon Megatron are still 3 Beast Hunter era toys that are really fun and really cool.
Some consider him to be the worst BH,i agree kinda.He has special colors at least.I'm okay with the jet without the weapon.
They have reused the same yellow from Dread and Sound,a strange lack of variety in the decos.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091855)
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2021 @ 3:14pm CST
I just really dislike how unimaginative the toy is in its transformation (especially when compared to the first edition) and that wierd antenna that lingers in robot mode.
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2021 @ 3:14pm CST
PerfectVision wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Decent list, but I have many disagreements on this list.
Our lists are not so dissimilar after all and I really love your number 1. I am really surprised at your Beast Hunters Starscream pick though. That toy is way down the list for me (same with the animated voyager). Did you ever get to experience the First Edition mold?
I didn't no. I didn't handle the voyager either. I only ever got the Beast Hunters deluxe. I relived that toy during my Den redo over the past week, and it, Dreadwing, and Sharkticon Megatron are still 3 Beast Hunter era toys that are really fun and really cool.
Some consider him to be the worst BH,i agree kinda.He has special colors at least.I'm okay with the jet without the weapon.
They have reused the same yellow from Dread and Sound,a strange lack of variety in the decos.
I just really dislike how unimaginative the toy is in its transformation (especially when compared to the first edition) and that wierd antenna that lingers in robot mode.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091861)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:06pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:06pm CST
This may be the hardest list to ever make.
No matter how much I think about this, I agree with all of these but I'd make a top 10 instead of a top 5. The Classic seeker mold is as great as the recent ones and the FoC deluxe is a neat little guy too.
ARGH! There's so much to choose!
No matter how much I think about this, I agree with all of these but I'd make a top 10 instead of a top 5. The Classic seeker mold is as great as the recent ones and the FoC deluxe is a neat little guy too.
ARGH! There's so much to choose!
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091862)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:08pm CST
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:08pm CST
Is there enough to make a top 5 movie Starscream list? He has a lot of toys, but are there enough good unique molds for that?
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091863)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:30pm CST
IMO, yes.
#5) 2007 voyager. Movie accuracy be damned, this is the most fun I had with a Movie toy ever. Plus the best custom fodder ever.
#4) The DOTM deluxe. Small, yet so good. With hidden potential for greatness.
#3) HFTD leader. That was a MP before MPM were truly a thing.
#2) MPM. The most perfect bot mode ever despite the butt-flap. Too bad that the jet mode is sacrificed a bit and it's so long to transform.
#1) Studio Series 2007/ROTF. Perfect balance with size, beauty, and fun.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:30pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Is there enough to make a top 5 movie Starscream list? He has a lot of toys, but are there enough good unique molds for that?
IMO, yes.
#5) 2007 voyager. Movie accuracy be damned, this is the most fun I had with a Movie toy ever. Plus the best custom fodder ever.
#4) The DOTM deluxe. Small, yet so good. With hidden potential for greatness.
#3) HFTD leader. That was a MP before MPM were truly a thing.
#2) MPM. The most perfect bot mode ever despite the butt-flap. Too bad that the jet mode is sacrificed a bit and it's so long to transform.
#1) Studio Series 2007/ROTF. Perfect balance with size, beauty, and fun.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091864)
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:32pm CST
Personally, I did try, and I couldn't do it.
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:32pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Is there enough to make a top 5 movie Starscream list? He has a lot of toys, but are there enough good unique molds for that?
Personally, I did try, and I couldn't do it.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091865)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:41pm CST
Question, as I'm not as familiar with the movie line, are there any other movie molds of Starscream, or are those 5 all of them? Because if those are it, then by a technicality, does top 5 really apply if they are the only 5?
Edit: D'oh I just remembered there is some other Voyager mold that came with the tattoos and had his hands hanging out the back of the jet, so that would make top 5 out of 6?
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:41pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Is there enough to make a top 5 movie Starscream list? He has a lot of toys, but are there enough good unique molds for that?
IMO, yes.
#5) 2007 voyager. Movie accuracy be damned, this is the most fun I had with a Movie toy ever. Plus the best custom fodder ever.
#4) The DOTM deluxe. Small, yet so good. With hidden potential for greatness.
#3) HFTD leader. That was a MP before MPM were truly a thing.
#2) MPM. The most perfect bot mode ever despite the butt-flap. Too bad that the jet mode is sacrificed a bit and it's so long to transform.
#1) Studio Series 2007/ROTF. Perfect balance with size, beauty, and fun.
Question, as I'm not as familiar with the movie line, are there any other movie molds of Starscream, or are those 5 all of them? Because if those are it, then by a technicality, does top 5 really apply if they are the only 5?
Edit: D'oh I just remembered there is some other Voyager mold that came with the tattoos and had his hands hanging out the back of the jet, so that would make top 5 out of 6?
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091866)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:57pm CST
The ROTF voyager is another mold. A very, VERY offensive mold especially with it's reverse elbows and the fact that in the instructions, they show the hands able to fold away... a feature that was removed on the actual toy.
There's a few legends sized toys as well. One or two molds, I'm not sure. They are bad.
You also have the tiny blind-bag version who is not too bad for what it is.
Finally, there's the Power Attacker from the ROTF or 2007 line. It's not too bad.
Bonus mode, the "stealth" version from DOTM where the jet auto-morph into an "attack mode" but don't actually have a robot mode if that count. The thing is fun and it's all mechanical. No batteries.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:57pm CST
TF-fan kev777 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Is there enough to make a top 5 movie Starscream list? He has a lot of toys, but are there enough good unique molds for that?
IMO, yes.
#5) 2007 voyager. Movie accuracy be damned, this is the most fun I had with a Movie toy ever. Plus the best custom fodder ever.
#4) The DOTM deluxe. Small, yet so good. With hidden potential for greatness.
#3) HFTD leader. That was a MP before MPM were truly a thing.
#2) MPM. The most perfect bot mode ever despite the butt-flap. Too bad that the jet mode is sacrificed a bit and it's so long to transform.
#1) Studio Series 2007/ROTF. Perfect balance with size, beauty, and fun.
Question, as I'm not as familiar with the movie line, are there any other movie molds of Starscream, or are those 5 all of them? Because if those are it, then by a technicality, does top 5 really apply if they are the only 5?
Edit: D'oh I just remembered there is some other Voyager mold that came with the tattoos and had his hands hanging out the back of the jet, so that would make top 5 out of 6?
The ROTF voyager is another mold. A very, VERY offensive mold especially with it's reverse elbows and the fact that in the instructions, they show the hands able to fold away... a feature that was removed on the actual toy.
There's a few legends sized toys as well. One or two molds, I'm not sure. They are bad.
You also have the tiny blind-bag version who is not too bad for what it is.
Finally, there's the Power Attacker from the ROTF or 2007 line. It's not too bad.
Bonus mode, the "stealth" version from DOTM where the jet auto-morph into an "attack mode" but don't actually have a robot mode if that count. The thing is fun and it's all mechanical. No batteries.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091867)
Posted by SodaPoptimus on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:59pm CST
Posted by SodaPoptimus on January 6th, 2021 @ 4:59pm CST
I created this account...just to say how B.S. it is that there's no G1 scream
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091869)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:24pm CST
You mean the original G1 toy? You can have your optinion but the OG seekers are out because they are basically Mr Potato. ¯\_( ͡°ヮ ͡°)_/¯
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:24pm CST
SodaPoptimus wrote:I created this account...just to say how B.S. it is that there's no G1 scream
You mean the original G1 toy? You can have your optinion but the OG seekers are out because they are basically Mr Potato. ¯\_( ͡°ヮ ͡°)_/¯
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091872)
Posted by Burn on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:39pm CST
Well that's just your opinion...
I'd put the G1 figure ahead of any of those movie abominations. They always looked like shit to me regardless of their engineering.
Posted by Burn on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:39pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:SodaPoptimus wrote:I created this account...just to say how B.S. it is that there's no G1 scream
You mean the original G1 toy? You can have your optinion but the OG seekers are out because they are basically Mr Potato. ¯\_( ͡°ヮ ͡°)_/¯
Well that's just your opinion...
I'd put the G1 figure ahead of any of those movie abominations. They always looked like shit to me regardless of their engineering.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091874)
Posted by TulioDude on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:43pm CST
Posted by TulioDude on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:43pm CST
Broke:Original G1 toy
WOKE:Pretender Starscream.
WOKE:Pretender Starscream.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091875)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:48pm CST
G1 Starscream being "Mr Potato" is a fact. A main body and accessories that you plug in to have the look you want (assuming you have the other seekers to mix-n-match). This make the toy horrible yet genius at the same time.
As for "Doritos" Movie Starscream, I was a denier at first... until I had in hand the HFTD leader. It blew my mind and made me find the genius behind the design.
Still, I do wonder what happenned to Starscream between Cybertronian mode in the Bee moovie and his Earth mode in the main series? Did he become a couch potato, eating energon ice cream while watching TV all day for years?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:48pm CST
Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:SodaPoptimus wrote:I created this account...just to say how B.S. it is that there's no G1 scream
You mean the original G1 toy? You can have your optinion but the OG seekers are out because they are basically Mr Potato. ¯\_( ͡°ヮ ͡°)_/¯
Well that's just your opinion...
I'd put the G1 figure ahead of any of those movie abominations. They always looked like **** to me regardless of their engineering.
G1 Starscream being "Mr Potato" is a fact. A main body and accessories that you plug in to have the look you want (assuming you have the other seekers to mix-n-match). This make the toy horrible yet genius at the same time.
As for "Doritos" Movie Starscream, I was a denier at first... until I had in hand the HFTD leader. It blew my mind and made me find the genius behind the design.
Still, I do wonder what happenned to Starscream between Cybertronian mode in the Bee moovie and his Earth mode in the main series? Did he become a couch potato, eating energon ice cream while watching TV all day for years?
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091876)
Posted by Burn on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:57pm CST
Posted by Burn on January 6th, 2021 @ 6:57pm CST
You seem to quick to reject SodaPoptimus' opinion ("the OG seekers are out") but determined to push your opinion ...
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091878)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:07pm CST
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:07pm CST
I appreciated G1 SS when I got the old Dreamwave version. He has nice heft and a good look. But. I mean. Earthrise hits all the nostalgia buttons the G1 toy does, but does it better. If I had the option as a kid I'd have LOVED ER Screawer because that's a better representation of how he was in the cartoon.
As a toy ... Leader-1 does it better. *dodges a brick*
I don't think you can truly compare G1 toys - as toys - to modern toys. And I'd hope not because it'd be sad if there weren't upward movement from the Diaclone era.
As a toy ... Leader-1 does it better. *dodges a brick*
I don't think you can truly compare G1 toys - as toys - to modern toys. And I'd hope not because it'd be sad if there weren't upward movement from the Diaclone era.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091879)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:07pm CST
Oppinion shmopinion, any Transformers that basically explode in a million pieces to transform, with high possibility of parts being easily lost, can't make any list unless it's a "partformers" list.
As much that G1 God Ginrai is in my personal top five favorite "Optimus" toys of all time, I know that realistically, there's way, WAY "better" Optimus toys out there.
By the way, my opinion is ABSOLUTE and is written into an United Nation law.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:07pm CST
Burn wrote:You seem to quick to reject SodaPoptimus' opinion ("the OG seekers are out") but determined to push your opinion ...
Oppinion shmopinion, any Transformers that basically explode in a million pieces to transform, with high possibility of parts being easily lost, can't make any list unless it's a "partformers" list.
As much that G1 God Ginrai is in my personal top five favorite "Optimus" toys of all time, I know that realistically, there's way, WAY "better" Optimus toys out there.
By the way, my opinion is ABSOLUTE and is written into an United Nation law.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091880)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:17pm CST
I don't know about that. Some G1 toys still hold up pretty damn solidly even by today's standards. G1 Optimus Prime being so good. Only true flaw is the partforming fists, quickly forgiven because of the "storage space" in the diaclone seats of the cab.
There's also G1 Jetfire with it's insane engineering for the time. Also G1 Shockwave where only the MP can beat it's magesty due to superior articulations.
Oh, and to go back to G1 Starscream, yes, Super Gobots Leader 1 is the better toy. It's only flaw being the jet wings that become floppy over the years.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:17pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:I don't think you can truly compare G1 toys - as toys - to modern toys. And I'd hope not because it'd be sad if there weren't upward movement from the Diaclone era.
I don't know about that. Some G1 toys still hold up pretty damn solidly even by today's standards. G1 Optimus Prime being so good. Only true flaw is the partforming fists, quickly forgiven because of the "storage space" in the diaclone seats of the cab.
There's also G1 Jetfire with it's insane engineering for the time. Also G1 Shockwave where only the MP can beat it's magesty due to superior articulations.
Oh, and to go back to G1 Starscream, yes, Super Gobots Leader 1 is the better toy. It's only flaw being the jet wings that become floppy over the years.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091881)
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:17pm CST
theres more than just movie or G1, bayverse is just crap yes the bayverse is a good jet and for a robot with chicken legs and gorilla arms i guess its also good but as starscream it is crap
we could of had the awesome thrilling 30 armada starscream or the fall of cybertron starscream energon or armada starscream, universe starscream, classics starscream, Titanium starscream, RTS legends starscrean, robot masters Starscream generations legends starscream with waspinator, combiner wars starscream and so on
yes i know some of those are crap too but inplace of the two bayverse should have had at the very least t30 armada starscream and generations legends starscream
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:17pm CST
TF-fan kev777 wrote:angtre wrote:Comparing toys cross-franchise makes little sense, sorry. Next time, I'd just focus on how well a specific version of a character - be it the G1 original, Movieverse or another - got translated into toys.
Making a top 5 list where you are forced to include meh or downright crappy toys because you limited yourself to only G1 or only movieverse figures also makes little sense as well.
theres more than just movie or G1, bayverse is just crap yes the bayverse is a good jet and for a robot with chicken legs and gorilla arms i guess its also good but as starscream it is crap
we could of had the awesome thrilling 30 armada starscream or the fall of cybertron starscream energon or armada starscream, universe starscream, classics starscream, Titanium starscream, RTS legends starscrean, robot masters Starscream generations legends starscream with waspinator, combiner wars starscream and so on
yes i know some of those are crap too but inplace of the two bayverse should have had at the very least t30 armada starscream and generations legends starscream
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091882)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:21pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:21pm CST
IMO, I would have put all 3 Bayverse Starscreams (SS, MPM, HFTD) in the same spot at number whatever and used the free spot for......
................Machine Wars!
................Machine Wars!
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091884)
Posted by blackeyedprime on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:29pm CST
Sadly you can, a lot of G1 and even the worlds tinyest small g1 vwrsions are superior to modern day versions especially if they were diaclone in origin.
take the recent hoist as an example, diaclone may have had a bit less posability (but no floppy knees), diecast metal, projectiles, hand options, matching paint and was compatable with Ultra Magnus. try putting wfc hoist into any wfc ultra magnus. then add clear windshields and a pilot area, boom. But wait, yeagh it had most of the main stickers factory applied which are neat an all but then the reissue used sweet tampos.
Thats why TF collection G1 starscream def makes the list for me, they might not be able to add the posability to them of the new figures but that they can still get a few little tweeks to improve them and it really is icing on the cake. Unless you dont like icing or its a fruit cake, which fair enough some G1 stuff is.
Posted by blackeyedprime on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:29pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:I appreciated G1 SS when I got the old Dreamwave version. He has nice heft and a good look. But. I mean. Earthrise hits all the nostalgia buttons the G1 toy does, but does it better. If I had the option as a kid I'd have LOVED ER Screawer because that's a better representation of how he was in the cartoon.
As a toy ... Leader-1 does it better. *dodges a brick*
I don't think you can truly compare G1 toys - as toys - to modern toys. And I'd hope not because it'd be sad if there weren't upward movement from the Diaclone era.
Sadly you can, a lot of G1 and even the worlds tinyest small g1 vwrsions are superior to modern day versions especially if they were diaclone in origin.
take the recent hoist as an example, diaclone may have had a bit less posability (but no floppy knees), diecast metal, projectiles, hand options, matching paint and was compatable with Ultra Magnus. try putting wfc hoist into any wfc ultra magnus. then add clear windshields and a pilot area, boom. But wait, yeagh it had most of the main stickers factory applied which are neat an all but then the reissue used sweet tampos.
Thats why TF collection G1 starscream def makes the list for me, they might not be able to add the posability to them of the new figures but that they can still get a few little tweeks to improve them and it really is icing on the cake. Unless you dont like icing or its a fruit cake, which fair enough some G1 stuff is.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091886)
Posted by Burn on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:37pm CST
Posted by Burn on January 6th, 2021 @ 7:37pm CST
Plus G1 Starscream doesn't look like a flaming pile of **** that's been thrown against the wall like those movie versions.
No love for Energon Starscream though, and he's virtually just an upscaled G2 Smokescreen.
No love for Energon Starscream though, and he's virtually just an upscaled G2 Smokescreen.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091896)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 8:24pm CST
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 8:24pm CST
Just can't agree on G1 toys truly holding up.
It's true that standards have slipped when it comes to QC. But durability is just one piece of the puzzle. Modern toys look like the characters they were made to represent with clever transformations and actual articulation! And, really, I broke every single Diaclone mold I had as a kid. I even managed to break PM Prime's trailer's leg!
I won't sit here and say one or two things weren't done better in the past. I like Henkei Prime a lot, for instance. The colors. The chrome and paint. But, despite all of that, Earthrise Prime is just the better toy. Even if Henkei does a few things better the whole package is better now.
And the same is true for all G1. G1 does a few things better. But the TFs of today are just better overall. I can't speak to G1 Shockwave or Skyfire, but that's two toys. Two toys not even designed by Takara! Starscream, on the other hand, is a mess of parts just begging to be lost.
G1 Prime, I can appreciate on an aesthetic level. But Earthrise creams him. Clear windows and a better overall paintjust just isn't enough.
It's true that standards have slipped when it comes to QC. But durability is just one piece of the puzzle. Modern toys look like the characters they were made to represent with clever transformations and actual articulation! And, really, I broke every single Diaclone mold I had as a kid. I even managed to break PM Prime's trailer's leg!
I won't sit here and say one or two things weren't done better in the past. I like Henkei Prime a lot, for instance. The colors. The chrome and paint. But, despite all of that, Earthrise Prime is just the better toy. Even if Henkei does a few things better the whole package is better now.
And the same is true for all G1. G1 does a few things better. But the TFs of today are just better overall. I can't speak to G1 Shockwave or Skyfire, but that's two toys. Two toys not even designed by Takara! Starscream, on the other hand, is a mess of parts just begging to be lost.
G1 Prime, I can appreciate on an aesthetic level. But Earthrise creams him. Clear windows and a better overall paintjust just isn't enough.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091901)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 8:42pm CST
Those two can't be compared as far as the cab go. Obviously, ER Optimus Prime is simply a mini MP that is solid and a marvel of engineering.
HOWEVAH, dat ER trailer is just a box not even worth a margarine countainer compared to the G1. Completely bare with barely an excuse of a repair drone, no roller, no nothing. I had to pay almost 200$ to make that trailer "complete" and to look good via the Centurion set, reprolabels, and Shapeway upgrades. ლ(ತ益ತლ)
In a way, both toys ballance each other out. ER win for the bot, G1 for the trailer. Too bad there's no way to fit the G1 trailer on the ER cab even with severe mods. The trailer would look ridiculously oversised. Oh well.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 8:42pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:G1 Prime, I can appreciate on an aesthetic level. But Earthrise creams him. Clear windows and a better overall paintjust just isn't enough.
Those two can't be compared as far as the cab go. Obviously, ER Optimus Prime is simply a mini MP that is solid and a marvel of engineering.
HOWEVAH, dat ER trailer is just a box not even worth a margarine countainer compared to the G1. Completely bare with barely an excuse of a repair drone, no roller, no nothing. I had to pay almost 200$ to make that trailer "complete" and to look good via the Centurion set, reprolabels, and Shapeway upgrades. ლ(ತ益ತლ)
In a way, both toys ballance each other out. ER win for the bot, G1 for the trailer. Too bad there's no way to fit the G1 trailer on the ER cab even with severe mods. The trailer would look ridiculously oversised. Oh well.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091905)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:00pm CST
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:00pm CST
Yeah, the G1 trailer is just flat-out better.
But that's just the trailer. The two don't balance out because the cab is far more important.
Earthrise with the same level of paint and QC as the original Classics era would be great.
But that's just the trailer. The two don't balance out because the cab is far more important.
Earthrise with the same level of paint and QC as the original Classics era would be great.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091909)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:16pm CST
True but still. Those barebone trailers are that do nothing are real cockteases. At least Leader SS DOTM Optimus did a lot and the whole thing was still leader priced. I can't help but feel cheated for the ER leader price.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2021 @ 9:16pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Yeah, the G1 trailer is just flat-out better.
But that's just the trailer. The two don't balance out because the cab is far more important.
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True but still. Those barebone trailers are that do nothing are real cockteases. At least Leader SS DOTM Optimus did a lot and the whole thing was still leader priced. I can't help but feel cheated for the ER leader price.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091919)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 10:31pm CST
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2021 @ 10:31pm CST
If we're shifting the talk to ER's trailer for a quick moment...
Yes, ER Prime's trailer leaves a lot to be desired. As does the fact that many accessories for ER Prime were part of a separate weapons pack. And a certain lack of paint apps which would have definitely been filled out in years prior. ER Prime is not a perfect toy. The ER line overall isn't perfect.
Yes, ER Prime's trailer leaves a lot to be desired. As does the fact that many accessories for ER Prime were part of a separate weapons pack. And a certain lack of paint apps which would have definitely been filled out in years prior. ER Prime is not a perfect toy. The ER line overall isn't perfect.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091923)
Posted by Burn on January 6th, 2021 @ 11:51pm CST
Posted by Burn on January 6th, 2021 @ 11:51pm CST
Oi ... thread is about Starscream, not Optimus Prime.
If you're going to compare G1 to modern then yeah, Earthrise, even Classics/Henkei Starscream is an improvement over the original because they look more like the animation model and don't require partsforming (not that moving the missiles and adding fists is really a lot of partsforming).
But people seem to forget that when it came to G1 figures, as kids, we had this thing where we didn't care, we just used our imagination and got by with what we had.
But movie Starscream is still an ugly pile of **** and I'd take Machine Wars Starscream over it any day of the week.
If you're going to compare G1 to modern then yeah, Earthrise, even Classics/Henkei Starscream is an improvement over the original because they look more like the animation model and don't require partsforming (not that moving the missiles and adding fists is really a lot of partsforming).
But people seem to forget that when it came to G1 figures, as kids, we had this thing where we didn't care, we just used our imagination and got by with what we had.
But movie Starscream is still an ugly pile of **** and I'd take Machine Wars Starscream over it any day of the week.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091929)
Posted by Rogue-Primal on January 7th, 2021 @ 1:05am CST
Posted by Rogue-Primal on January 7th, 2021 @ 1:05am CST
Good list like always. I can agree that Earthrise Starscream does deserve the top spot since i own him. Only flaw are those millimeter gaps on top of his shoulders right next to head.
Such a ugly design decision.
Such a ugly design decision.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091938)
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on January 7th, 2021 @ 2:32am CST
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on January 7th, 2021 @ 2:32am CST
My partner got me Earthrise Starscream for my birthday a few days ago. I love it! Admittedly it’s only my third Starscream I’ve ever owned (the other two being G1 and Armada), but he’s my favourite thus far.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091941)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 7th, 2021 @ 4:07am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 7th, 2021 @ 4:07am CST
I'm still amazed that CLASSIC Starscream didn't made the list. It was THE seeker mold for over what... 15 years or so? Appart the oversized null-rays, that toy is pretty much perfect.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091946)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 7th, 2021 @ 7:15am CST
I mean ... I cared. I'd have lost most of Starscream's parts within a month and then the toy would have been almost useless to me.
I also would have wanted a toy that matched the animation. It's something that bugged me about all the old toys of the day. I'd have been understanding that TFs didn't match the show if I got more, but if I had the option of getting ER SS there'd be no contest.
Yeah, but ER is that toy, but better in every way. You don't need to make a list with, essentially, two versions of the same mold.
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 7th, 2021 @ 7:15am CST
Burn wrote:But people seem to forget that when it came to G1 figures, as kids, we had this thing where we didn't care, we just used our imagination and got by with what we had.
I mean ... I cared. I'd have lost most of Starscream's parts within a month and then the toy would have been almost useless to me.
I also would have wanted a toy that matched the animation. It's something that bugged me about all the old toys of the day. I'd have been understanding that TFs didn't match the show if I got more, but if I had the option of getting ER SS there'd be no contest.
-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm still amazed that CLASSIC Starscream didn't made the list. It was THE seeker mold for over what... 15 years or so? Appart the oversized null-rays, that toy is pretty much perfect.
Yeah, but ER is that toy, but better in every way. You don't need to make a list with, essentially, two versions of the same mold.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091948)
Posted by blackeyedprime on January 7th, 2021 @ 7:40am CST
Unless MP44 should have been included on the list
, which thinking about it he'd still rate higher as Starscream than the Bay design -but by that logic so would Tak legends octane with ghost starscream head.
Posted by blackeyedprime on January 7th, 2021 @ 7:40am CST
Burn wrote:Oi ... thread is about Starscream, not Optimus Prime.
Unless MP44 should have been included on the list
, which thinking about it he'd still rate higher as Starscream than the Bay design -but by that logic so would Tak legends octane with ghost starscream head.
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091958)
Posted by M. Spector on January 7th, 2021 @ 8:54am CST
Posted by M. Spector on January 7th, 2021 @ 8:54am CST
What a neat list! Interestingly enough, I own most of these in one form or another! Galaxy Force ScreamyStar holds a nostalgic place in my heart, as a child received him in a two pack with Vector Prime for Christmas one year. It's a beautiful jet, so solid and rachet-y and I found you can angle the shoulder/wings down in vehicle mode to kinda smooth out the silhouette!
The Classics/Generations mold came my way in the form of Dirge at a convention a few years ago. Not a bad toy! The articulation is a little wonky and the hips be kinda loose but it's still good fun. Even if his face is just eternally staring downward in jet mode
The Studio Series Voyager turned into a surprise hit for me, never ever ever expected to like it as much as I did. The transformation is so fun and satisfying, everything unfolds and turns insideout to make the robot and it all holds together SOLIDLY!
And the Siege tetrajet mold. I have this one as Thundy and love it dearly. On the internet there seems to be some decisiveness about wether or not it's a good mold, or a shell former or not. In my humble opinion it is only the former. The tetrajet idea has always appealed to me and the way they boiled down the classic and iconic silhouette of the Seeker body type to the key essentials like the shoulder pylons, square fan chest, almost high heeled feet, angular back wings, etc and then got it to flip into a flying pyramid is just mythical. I'll sing its praises till the day I die. It poses, it converts smoothly, everything locks in solid when it does and in either mode. Plus there's every color and flavor you could want
Alright
I'm done HaHa
The Classics/Generations mold came my way in the form of Dirge at a convention a few years ago. Not a bad toy! The articulation is a little wonky and the hips be kinda loose but it's still good fun. Even if his face is just eternally staring downward in jet mode
The Studio Series Voyager turned into a surprise hit for me, never ever ever expected to like it as much as I did. The transformation is so fun and satisfying, everything unfolds and turns insideout to make the robot and it all holds together SOLIDLY!
And the Siege tetrajet mold. I have this one as Thundy and love it dearly. On the internet there seems to be some decisiveness about wether or not it's a good mold, or a shell former or not. In my humble opinion it is only the former. The tetrajet idea has always appealed to me and the way they boiled down the classic and iconic silhouette of the Seeker body type to the key essentials like the shoulder pylons, square fan chest, almost high heeled feet, angular back wings, etc and then got it to flip into a flying pyramid is just mythical. I'll sing its praises till the day I die. It poses, it converts smoothly, everything locks in solid when it does and in either mode. Plus there's every color and flavor you could want
Alright
I'm done HaHa
Re: Top 5 Best Starscream Transformers Toys So Far (2091962)
Posted by Overcracker on January 7th, 2021 @ 9:07am CST
Posted by Overcracker on January 7th, 2021 @ 9:07am CST
The Cybertron Seeker mold is still one of the best. Only own Dirge from that but, he's still awesome.
As a TC and SW fan, I rarely if ever go for Star Scream, and tend to wait for the inevitable repaints. The only 2 actual Stascreams I own are 2007 Movie, and Prime SS.
I do own G1 TC, Armada TC, Cybertron TC, Titanium TC, Legends TC, "Cybertron" Dirge, Classics SW, the ER TC & SW set.
As a Kid I owned G1 TC, and yes I lost all the parts except strangely enough for the landing gear and a rear fin.
As a TC and SW fan, I rarely if ever go for Star Scream, and tend to wait for the inevitable repaints. The only 2 actual Stascreams I own are 2007 Movie, and Prime SS.
I do own G1 TC, Armada TC, Cybertron TC, Titanium TC, Legends TC, "Cybertron" Dirge, Classics SW, the ER TC & SW set.
As a Kid I owned G1 TC, and yes I lost all the parts except strangely enough for the landing gear and a rear fin.
