Transformers BotCon 2016 Dawn of the Predacus Predacon General Seaclamp revealed

The BotCon Twitter has something to say about this new headsculpt - https://twitter.com/BotCon/status/659372098146672641

Two things. Seaclamp's is the UGLIEST head we have ever sculpted. That said. It turned out BEAUTIFULLY!

1 little, 2 little, 3 little repaints....

YoungPrime wrote:1 little, 2 little, 3 little repaints....

Remold. New headsculpt.

Cicadacon's the only redeco.

I'm really not into this set. The last set I was detesting this much was Machine Wars and I came around on it.

This set though...

I thought I might like this. I don't. Nothing I've seen about these toys makes me really care about them. Ramhorn looks neat. The other four just exist.

Any Beast Wars mega-fans just totally stoked by this set? I like Beast Wars, but don't love it so much as to pore over all the content like I know some do. Curious what the take on these is from that perspective.

YoungPrime wrote:1 little, 2 little, 3 little repaints....

Posts like this add nothing of value to the discussion. Broadly speaking, this is what TFCC and Botcon toys have been, are, and will continue to be.

That head is a little creepy like a skeleton.



Has some customizing/kitbash potential

oh hey, another re-use of that mold. That whore-of-a-mold is sure getting rode hard and put up wet.

People have said that it was too bad these had no indication or homage to their beast forms and I always disagreed with saying that there were some nice homages and callbacks here and there. That being said, I see none here this time. Aside from the fact that he has the color of a boiled lobster.

Can someone fan mode its alt mode it a lobster like alt mode?

Starsaber468 wrote:An someone fan mode the alt mode it a lobster ish thing

Scattershot's not out yet.

Starsaber468 wrote:An someone fan mode the alt mode it a lobster ish thing

Huh?

The tail fin of the "plane" mode looks fantastic as a lobster tail hanging down the robot mode's back side. And I think the "shield" on the forearm is a clever clamp-like homage to the beast mode as well.

Add that to the alt mode not looking too absurd as a futuristic submersible and I do kind of like this mold as a pre/non-beast Seaclamp.

ScottyP wrote:I thought I might like this. I don't. Nothing I've seen about these toys makes me really care about them. Ramhorn looks neat. The other four just exist.

Any Beast Wars mega-fans just totally stoked by this set? I like Beast Wars, but don't love it so much as to pore over all the content like I know some do. Curious what the take on these is from that perspective.

I am a big Beast Wars fan since that is what I grew up with and those were my first toys. I find these fun but not worth the asking price. If they were available at retail for the standard retail MSRP, I would have bitten. What I am curious about Scotty, is seeing what the fan reaction would have been if these were issued by Takara. I would imagine people complaining that they arent getting them released stateside.


Also, to anyone complaining about redecos, are you aware of what Botcon toys are? They are NEVER new molds. No one should expect a new mold from these since thats simply not what it is. It's like E-hobby exclusives or the subscription service. I can understand ignorance but in that case, those who are unaware of what botcon exclusives or TF Club toys are will be happy since they will never see them in stores and thus these repaints wont bother them

Despite what everyone says, I am diggin the set and can't wait for the combined mode picture. I will try my damndest to get this set as long as combined mode is boss

Oddly enough, I like this one the best of the Tripredacus trio thus far. I have no emotional investment with the originals (indeed, I prefer to see the show versions/these guys as distinct entities from the toy trio... they're just too different to reconcile in my mind, so I think of them as either "guys who happen to share names" or "this universe's version") and so have never desired to see them in "toy colors" vs. the "show colors" we're getting. I have felt that the red on the other two was a bit overdone, and don't really know why this one doesn't make me think the same thing.

For whatever reason, I just feel that this one "works."

Now I'm starting to wonder. At the end of the Botcon 2006 comic, we seen Botcon Razorclaw and his new batch of Predacons as those in charge of Laserbeak and Buzzsaw.

I see them as being another Predacon faction we'll see the Council fight for power. Predaking version 2.0 vs. Quin-Predacus in the comic perhaps?

This has the potential be an interesting Civil War story. We already have 3 established Predacon factions.

1. Tripredacus Council + Agents
2. Razorclaw + Predacons v2.0
3. Cryotek + Megatron's Crew

Should be interesting to see if we get any explanation why the cassettes were split between factions 1 and 2. What if they repurpose Classics Ratbat from that Target 2 Pack as Predacon Ratbat in the comic and make him another agent or faction leader?

Despite the toys not interesting me, the fiction does.

I'm still not quite understanding this concept, presented a couple of times now, of the Tripredacus guys (and their allies) as on a different side than the Predacons. It seems to me that they ARE the Predacons (or, at least, their leaders) and always have been. This is speculative, to be sure. I'm just not seeing where any suggestion that the Tripredacus folks had to wrest control away from some other Predacons as any less speculative.

(By the way, I'm going under the assumption that Megatron and his Predacons were rebels vs. the "main" Predacons of Beast Wars-era Cybertron. This is, I think, firmly established. Thus, any on-screen machinations by the Tripredicus Council against Megatron's Predacons in no way establishes them as opposed to Predacons, in general.)

ScottyP wrote:Any Beast Wars mega-fans just totally stoked by this set? I like Beast Wars, but don't love it so much as to pore over all the content like I know some do. Curious what the take on these is from that perspective.

I'm always excited for new Beast Wars toys, but I'm not overly fond of this BotCon set. I barely remember the Tripredacus Council from the show, when I first saw them (I was about seven) I didn't even realise they were Predacons, or Transformers at all, so I have no real attachment to them. And while I know the colours of the BotCon set are based on the show, I would probably be more interested if Sea Clamp and Cicadacon were in their toy colours (green and white for Cicadacon, brown and purple for Sea Clamp).

G.B. Blackrock wrote:I'm still not quite understanding this concept, presented a couple of times now, of the Tripredacus guys (and their allies) as on a different side than the Predacons. It seems to me that they ARE the Predacons (or, at least, their leaders) and always have been. This is speculative, to be sure. I'm just not seeing where any suggestion that the Tripredacus folks had to wrest control away from some other Predacons as any less speculative.

(By the way, I'm going under the assumption that Megatron and his Predacons were rebels vs. the "main" Predacons of Beast Wars-era Cybertron. This is, I think, firmly established. Thus, any on-screen machinations by the Tripredicus Council against Megatron's Predacons in no way establishes them as opposed to Predacons, in general.)

The box set is literally called "Rise of the Predacus"

They can't rise if they are at the top from the beginning. I'd be inclined to agree with you speculation that they were on top if the set were called "Rise of the Predacons" instead though. That'd show that the whole faction exists due to the council leading them. Right now the name implies that the Tripredacus Council doesn't have power and has to seize it first.

G.B. Blackrock wrote:I'm still not quite understanding this concept, presented a couple of times now, of the Tripredacus guys (and their allies) as on a different side than the Predacons. It seems to me that they ARE the Predacons (or, at least, their leaders) and always have been. This is speculative, to be sure. I'm just not seeing where any suggestion that the Tripredacus folks had to wrest control away from some other Predacons as any less speculative.

(By the way, I'm going under the assumption that Megatron and his Predacons were rebels vs. the "main" Predacons of Beast Wars-era Cybertron. This is, I think, firmly established. Thus, any on-screen machinations by the Tripredicus Council against Megatron's Predacons in no way establishes them as opposed to Predacons, in general.)

Yes, megatron and his crew are rebels. On Cybertron, Predacons and Maximals are at peace with oneanother though they dont really get along. I always found it kind of mean how Rattrap and Cheetor hated predacons and talked of them like they were second class citizens (they even had racial slurrs and catchphrases).

And yes, the pradacus counsil was always simply Predacons, but higher ups.